UJD most likely would give out only a one time tutorial to read while activating afk till you close it and ULC would probably teleport you to a different game fully made for a tutorial for both teams, mechanics etc.

@@dudarewsky Yeah, UJD doesn't seem to care much for there newcomers as much as ULC does. Shame, really.

@@pcsans8210 one problem i find with the low wins on ULC are the reworked weapons. Yes, they bussin, but sometimes they are too much for a Negatale that just started playing. Basically they bussin too hard for some low wins sanses to beat.

@@pcsans8210 They never did, if they actually cared they wouldn't throw you into casual servers with disbelief papyrus, unlike ULC that gives you really solid choices for casual servers like Distrust (up to debate), Swapdust, Hardtale and Dust sans.

@@valker911 I agree fully.

Agree, but i do have to note that ujd did an unbelievably good job balancing those servers.

I'm glad you agree!

That much is true.

@@asinglesliceofbread8198 *cough* dustswap

My tour from 400 wins to 1000 wins was the hardest part of my ujd experience. Using the p2w characters like evo fatal kinda felt necessary cause almost any lobby has at least someone with a combo that can braindead tank a character like Ink, error, BTT, ect.

Thank you! The pixel art was actually made a long time ago and I've just been adding more emotions- When I was using my alt, even when I wasn't in a low win server I was still able to do well because of how powerful perseverance is. Plus most of the model chara's are pretty bad anyways except for a few, well, to me at least.

​@@pcsans8210they are slowly updating the models tho from what i've been seeing.

The 3 dull knife users staring at me while I use dust sans:

I try my best, plus i love seeing all the polite comments.

The goal of the evo character is to have a character that still upgrades even when you have those dry win gaps, like from LB!sans to ACT 3 (about 250 wins I think), It'd be stronger than the last character but weaker than the next one you'd unlock. Of course they would need to rebalance characters so that newer ones that you unlock are ACTUALLY better than the last, instead of sometimes getting weaker. For ULC, having basically anything to help

The name's PC!sans, also I did wear the exclamation mark to be fair. (i intend on adding more expressions, eventually)

Yeah, should've brought that up, both games would benefit from a high win server/medium win server.

@@pcsans8210the funny part about high win servers in ULC is (insert drumroll) if you use shift lock to look outside of the map in ULC (where low win servers are) there is a red portal called “high wins servers” and it’s 250 wins to enter

@@pcsans8210 ULC devs mentioned that they don't want to add mid/high wins servers since that'll split the servers up too much

@@mechdark5567 I meant mid for ULC and high for UJD, it doesn't matter if it "splits it up too much" if poor 100 wins players have to go up against 12k players with far more experience than them. Sorry if this came off as angry-

Thanks!

Not even gonna lie the first time I fought that thing I was so confused.

DustFell Waterfall encounter💀

Thank you a lot for both the information and giving me motivation to work on these! I was intending to just stop at the one upload but lots of people seemed to enjoy it so I thought I'd give it another go.

@@pcsans8210 Your welcome. I really enjoyed these. You know, I also intended to create a channel that did similar things to what your doing right now. Never ended up doing it, distracted by other things and not having the resources to do so, but I’m rather happy with the position I’m in right now. Anyways, do as much as you want to do. As long as you enjoy it and don’t run yourself to ragged, this community your building shouldn’t be dissatisfied. I’ve seen a few KZfaqrs over stressing themselves for their channel and it only backfired, in both there community and daily life. They lost their job, subscribers, motivation, and even their happiness. Never recovered. If I scaried you, sorry. I just wanted to get my point that you’ll like your time here if other people are liking their time here, but overdoing it can be really bad for everyone. Hope you have a good day 👍, and that this channel continues to grow. Love seeing a small channel flourish like this.

@@theonomaly6389 Nah, I'll be alright. I'm pretty good at managing my life and these videos are actually more intense than the ones I plan on doing. I intend to do a few "video essays" than split it into mini-uploads along with video essays.

@@pcsans8210 sounds cool. I was just bringing it up because I’m currently in a community where someone has recently just stopped doing that in, and I didn’t want to see it happen you too. Also, glad to here that life is treating you relatively well.

It’s a good thing that if you’re in a full lobby, you have a much higher chance of getting wins as a Chara. Not to mention you can grind a few wins in bots in ULC to push you over a threshold. Me personally, I still use Classic because he’s so good at wiping lobbies with his two box attacks.

I'm happy you liked it!

Never played SvC definitive, I'll have to give it a shot, and don't worry. I'm MORE then ready to tackle UFS when it releases.

But also at 100 wins you have pretty great weapons choice overall like the ones explained in the video but you also have even more options after that like axe, killer knife and snow ring

Dull knife is actually pretty busted right now, still not as broken as first release.

ehh hardtale can bash dull knife if played well

Yeah I also had a plan for that, giving players high win servers from 400-999/1000 would give players determination, which let's them use a lot of good combos.

@@pcsans8210 Yeah that would be a awesome idea but I don't think they would add it, it honestly feels like they don't want nor care about new players honestly, 400 wins at most? That's not going to get you anywhere unless you farm in a private server (Which costs like 500 robux which is $5 which isn't even permanent). I played till I got like 750 wins with reset then just stopped cause it wasn't fun anymore not to mention the Geno/dust gamepasses suck in the stages that aren't the final and require you to grind private servers (big problem cause it can cost in total 800 robux $8 or $10 dollars) also they just don't listen to the community at all really.

@@blockbustergar7342 The gamepass characters are counter-intuitive, they give you a character that evolves over time but is locked behind a paywall. By the time you figure out if you want to gamepass or not you're probably already in medium wins/leaving mediums wins and it becomes insanely hard to get (unless you single player than it literally doesn't matter). Also I think Geno, Error, Waterfall, Hotland, and Judgement hall are all good characters before the final stages. Though I've had dust maxed out for a long time so I'm not sure if that's changed.

@@pcsans8210 Yeah, it's just the matter of grinding for them, the method is not good at all and doesn't give enough sometimes you will just get 1 code/dust. They just need to fix some massive problems and it can come back, possibly unless Undertale Final Judgement comes out then it has no chance.

Thank you, it takes a while to finish these because of the editing, but people enjoy it and so do I!

I didn't even realize I had gotten 200- I thought i was still at 110 like yesterday. But thank you for the nice comment!

Hes gonna be at 8k in like 2 months

I'm glad you liked it!

@@pcsans8210 I am also happy to know some mistakes that I could've made without watching the video. ( Like not getting enough low kill exp)

@@averageyoutubehandle497 Super cool that this was helpful to you!

That's why I think in UJD they should add high win servers that go from 400-999/1000. Determination unlocks so many good combo thanks to the chara update that it would help fight these 5k win players easily. Or y'know, they could just balance their game. But we know that'll never happen-

Ofc they never balance just look how many characters there are + they are to lazy to nerf combos or weapons

@@pcsans8210 Long story short,even if ULC isnt perfect,its much more interesting and balanced than UJD by a mile

@@skell6134 I will not say you are wrong or correct in that statement, I think both games have their ups and downs.

Ujd has more downs then ups. Ujd has more downs them the amount of downs and ups in ulc combined

Papyrus stupid auto, correct

@@williamgingrich8361you know how to edit a comment right?

@@williamgingrich8361you’ve been on KZfaq nor like 9 years

Oh boy, my next video on the issues with survival characters will hopefully change your mind on that. But it does seem like a decent idea, problem is phantom papyrus isn't really a "evo" character as there are not many different versions of them in the canon dusttale.

Thank you! I try my best with the editing, but i just started a few days ago so it may not be all that great at the moment.

oh and if you're wondering what im talking about regarding swapdust, his incredibly high defense allows for him to survive for VERY long periods of time, pair that with his really good attacks and you shouldn't have much trouble

@@Player-4632 Yeah i was able to max out swapdust pretty easily even out of low wins.

Swapdust and Hardtale are characters that i'd consider more medium wins because of how close they are to 100. Fell has chains, which are basically the only thing that make him viable (at least when i fought him) as his moves are pretty easy to avoid. Sans at upgrade three is not what i was talking about in the video. What I meant was that if you did not get ANY exp on some of the low wins characters, it became almost impossible to do so. Oh right, thank you for the kind words! I try and make this content and editing style different from the other UJD/ULC creators because SANES2 already does a great job with showcases and concepts already. Actually he was one of my main inspirations alongside eclipse (though he does YBA/TCA content so he mainly inspired me to edit better).

@@pcsans8210 Hi! For Swapdust and Hardtale I meant more of how as soon as you got out of low wins you had them, so you wouldn't get bullied by higher win players! For fell my main thing is that his very high DPS can typically guarantee a kill or two, even at upgrade zero(plus his final attack), and for Sans yeah you're probably right, at upgrade 0 he's really bad, all I was saying was that the exp required to make him good was pretty easily accessible, tho yeah you right there. Besides all of that I agree with your 'band aid' solution of buffing the low win characters until they're reworked, though the buffs would probably have to be pretty massive for most of them considering the vast playstyle differences in the new weapons, and the old characters.(take papyrus for example, a small buff wouldn't fix his useless attacks lol) Once again great video, can't wait to see more in my notifications!

@@Player-4632 Thank you a lot! I guess you are right with fell because newer players might not understand that jumping over the blaster circle is safer then just running around it. His damage is pretty high as well but you can get by that with perseverance if they have KR. With swapdust and hardtale I get what you mean now, but again those are characters that aren't really "low wins" meaning that they are just stronger base, which in turn, makes it easier to get exp for.

Thank you!

Again, i think i said this but i'll say it again, i do believe it's possible to get exp outside of low wins. BUT, it depends on who you are stuck with in that server. You can probably take out some 0-50 win people with ease but once they break somewhere around 200 it becomes a chore to win. I'm glad you've been able to get exp for the lower win characters though!

@@pcsans8210 Thanks for the elaboration! I have had that issue, yeah. Getting terrible story outside of low wins was a headache. Thanks for replying to my comment! I look forward to future videos from you.

@@miraclejack8736 I hope you enjoy whatever else I make!

had a similar situation - managed to get classic sans from first upgrade to phase 2 buff after a lott of work. something like papyrus who i have one upgrade on because hes useless even in low wins is just impossible unless people throw entirely though at the very least, getting early access to good weapons is nice for when you head into high wins in ulc. youll stand a chance against most people except for those with super op characters (though i do feel like with ulc character xp takes precedence over wins somewhat because its harder to get, and getting xp for a character never gets easier)

Yeah, I'm a horror sans main in UJD and in ULC. I get smacked around for using it in ULC though 💀 Getting to level 20 the first time isn't that bad. It's doing it more than once when it gets bad.

Don't let this video stop you from making a similar one to it. Thank you for the kind words as always!

Ha, Thanks.

Thank you very much!

I think maxing out every character should be a tough challenge, but I don't think it should be almost impossible.

@@pcsans8210 Well its was hell actually.

@@justrelax592 Yeah I figured it was.

Pls read this all I need validation

I have read it, dustbelief seems to be a common one, but this is a decently new concept I've seen.

@@pcsans8210 yeah I feel like I could explain alot more things but I also feel like this is a good character for you to make a video about and alot of other people's ideas and you can sya what you like and what you dislike. Hope that helps

Considering i was at 100 like a day or two ago, i'm surprised i got this far!

Thank you! I try to put a tad bit more effort then other UJD/ULC creators, mostly because I'm confident in what I talk about.

@@pcsans8210 the concept of a Sans with a PC for a head explaining UT games is better than 99% of AUs

@@BreadBanks5490 This made me genuinely laugh-

I'm not sure that's a good idea considering i don't own any ULC gamepasses.

@@pcsans8210 oh- maybe cover the grinding then lol

@@Playertheaveragesvclover eh, i don't see how it would be a interesting topic considering the chara update made it so much easier.

​@@pcsans8210You should cover ULC and UJD's fangames.

Fair, but ULC has had less AFK players recently, at least from what i've seen.

I think Papyrus is a cool character, plus i said A papyrus, a good couple i saw were Dustbelief and Phantom Papyrus.

Dustbelief/Terrible Story is the only good papyrus skin at least for me, the almost full move set rework combined with high damage basically separates him from original papyrus pretty drastically. I wish skins weren't entirely gambling/lootboxes but what can you do, I do think when you actually get a skin they are really fun for the most part. Stage 1/2 pacifist is underrated, i was still able to get kills with it even though I had a reset. I couldn't win of course but i was able to knock a DT or two because they played poorly. I can understand the UJD hatred due to bad entry, the game only gets good at around 1000 wins.

swap paps (in my opinion) is the second worst character in low wins servers once I defeated him only using punches (idk why I didn't have my toy knife,it just bugged)

Ah alright, I'll mention you in the next video once I start working on it. Thank you for telling me!

Sadly they removed the feature of getting wins for duplicates because of how many you can get, EXCEPT for some reason you can get five wins for rolling a legendary duplicate. I do think exp from duplicates could be pretty good but it might make it too easy considering you don't even have to play the character to get exp.

Me who gets 500+ duplicate skins per day: Looks like i can finally upgrade red without playing her.

basicaly thats really it for ulc but another problem if i want to get exp as someone like littletale or paci sans they say "oh just wait for afk people" sure i have to wait 1-3 turns for it to be my turn and then have the chance of someone going afk like at that point its just pure luck.

I hate the fact that asking for grind is bannable I am supposed to suffer

I agree. I might not ever use Revenge, in either game, but at least ULC is showing some promise with their pretty well made updates so far. Not saying they don’t make mistakes, but things can be left in the cracks or be a minor detail that they decide to change for a time. Like, look at Snowdin Little!Dust. They obviously haven’t been updated in at least 2 years. Or the fact that there are so many unusable skins that you might have gathered from long ago (like OuterOuter, InsanityFell, maybe even the Xmas skins (which some have there themes removed. I find it hilarious to equip UT Xmas skin with the Hardmode upgrade and troll them with the intensity of silence while they figure out what is going on)). Also, Hardmode Insanity… too expensive for a character that is actually kind of fun to take out, hard to use, and is now much easier to kill. All these long range weapons are creating people who just sit at the back of the hall, sniping you while their teammates obliterate you by doing 50 stamina with real knife, Sans power, or ice ring (or it’s skin, Negabone). It is fun on both sides, but it makes it hard to do much on the Sans team (which I understand is the point, but it needs to be more than just a select few characters to actually deal with it). UJD however… I understand why they started ignoring the Low Win characters. They aren’t really expecting any new players to be coming to there game since it is so old. They have already gone past the days of its prime, and new, more advertised games like it are coming out. However, that doesn’t excuse some of the over the top scaling they do to their newer characters. Insanity, Horror, and Dust one shot for crying out loud! Something only Error 404 was supposed to do, because he was a joke and meant to not be fun to play as, since you had already achieved everything the game had to offer by that point. ULC’s high win characters are only good (just like with their low win counterparts) if your decent with the game/character and/or all the upgrades for them. UJD just kinda throws characters are you in a general location and moves on, only adjusting it if they don’t like it, or realize a mistake too big to ignore (or just to satisfy the community because they haven’t had an update other than 2x wins for a while). I’m telling you, if it weren’t for the people who actually have good stuff continuously coming back to the game, it would have started dying (no offense of course). Ok… I’m going to stop here for now. No point in wasting time saying things already said by everyone else.

@@theonomaly6389 Facts. Its sad to see UJD fall behind so badly. Reminds of me of ULC's temporary falloff after the whole Adrian drama went down. Honestly I can't see UJD truly come back unless a major update releases, especially before UFS releases which will be a guaranteed success, no doubt.

I'm glad you liked the video! I really like the way they did the exp system but like you said the fact it takes hours to grind for a low win character is obnoxious at best.

Yeah, I mean it's not impossible to win, it just becomes a absolute chore to get the exp needed to make the character useful.

We already have evo dust, i think having another evo dust character would just get repetitive. Not saying it couldn't work I just think everyone is tired of dust characters.

Thank you for subscribing! I personally am not a fan of any underfell au but I would still be a pretty cool skin to see especially with those new models!

@omegastar01 u need to be put on the developer team on ulc frfr

Well, I do try to avoid the "model" topic because models (most of the time) don't effect gameplay. I do think ULC is doing much better with models then UJD, though with Infected and Death they clearly have to potential to put out better models.

@@pcsans8210 i do agree but maybe idk why but ujd is just more boring for me

@@thejgamingyt Yeah I agree with you it's just models usually get associated with gameplay, which I think is a bit dumb. You're right though ULC is much more fun right now than UJD.

Thank you!

Yeah just depends on the amount of wins.

I use Filmora to edit these videos, I also use aseprite to do all the sprites that you see in the videos as well.

Didn’t mean for this to turn into an essay I originally just planned to write a little comment but I just kept having more small things to sprinkle in and it turned into this absolute behemoth of a comment

Correct, I still don't have any exp on negatale and i'm probably not going to for quite a while.

Did i say swap sans was bad in the video? I legitimately don't remember- If i did my bad, US!sans is really good even in the early stages but it can be delt with pretty easily by a competent killer knife (at least from what i've seen).

@@pcsans8210 yeah, you said swap sans, did you mean uhh, swap papyrus?

@@Retro_wav i was talking about swap sans from UJD

Unfortunately, they don't want to "break up the players" too much. So this most likely won't be happening.

@@pcsans8210 rip, guess I’ll just continue getting demolished until I become the demolisher, the undertale last corridor cycle, or something like that

lower hp

Yeah that thing is crazy, also the fact that server's were swarmed with gun/traitless made it very not fun to play.

Heres a tip during those cutscenes they can still recieve karma and or bleed. So you can absolutely merc dull knifes and shred through there hp whilst bleed just downright bypasses there immunity. This is coming from someone who plays fresh and regularly beats dull knives with him

they fixed it 💀@@noahgorman6995

Adding a 400-999/1000 win server is not supposed to be the holy grail to balance the whole game, it's just a simple idea so that it's easier than just getting god rayed by a 400k win player. Disbelief Papyrus and ts paps are very good examples, but i think that power creep will eventually catch up and we will hopefully be getting some more lower win combos that are actually pretty good.

YES BRO FR

LIKE ITS IMPOSSIBLE TO GRIND EXP ON CHARACTERS WHEN THESE TRYHARDS ARE ON UR (yk)

That's a new one, could be cool.

Filmora, I also use aseprite for making the sprites and thumbnails incase you were interested.

@@pcsans8210 Oh, the full version of filmora? Also thank you for the extra information

@@papapdude7595 Yeah i own the permanent one, currently am using filmora 12 because i haven't updated it yet-

@@pcsans8210 alright, thank you once again.

@@papapdude7595 Yup!

I find it so cool that people enjoy what I make! About the pixel art, I think I'm doing a pretty good job with my art in the video's, the only problem I've run across is thumbnails. Not sure why I'm just garbage at em', I'll make sure to improve my sprites with my editing as well!

@pcsans8210 I'm very sorry if offended you in any way, all I wanted to say I wanted to help but I encourage you to keep going and your sprites are amazing either way just saying if you need any help I'm here😄

@@oxyloty8514 I'll keep you in mind, also i'm not offended at all really! It's a honor to even have the option! I would just like to get better with my own skills before I begin to let people help out!

I think it'd be better if you failed to kill anyone every three rounds. Mostly because you could just afk and get free exp.

@@pcsans8210 maybe if you got someone down to like 30 hp but couldn't kill them then you get xp

@@pcsans8210 Hear me out. To get the pity EXP you still need to do X amount of damage, it wouldn’t be too much damage, probably 30-50 So you can’t just afk

@@Destoroyahpng I think that this could work with a few minor adjustments.

Yeah that's true.

Shoutouts are only for people who help with information or make a very good point that I may have missed in a video. I might start doing the normal shoutouts eventually but I like being able to prove myself wrong with information gained from others.

Yeah i agree, also dustbelief seems to be the big one people want to see.

Yeah, they would have to do a WHOLE lot to fix what they've done. But I think if they really care for the game they can mostly fix it, or at least make it fun again.

Yeah that's the point I made in the video? I said that ULC's big problem is not acknowledging their exp system to newcomers. Leaving them completely uninformed that it becomes rather difficult to get exp for lower win sans's if you have not already gotten them before.

Thanks- This is the second semi-developer that has left a comment on one of my videos, which is just awesome.

Yeah, while I was farming papyrus on my alt it was very annoying having to deal with ~150 win players all the time.

not sure if i met like a very high wins player in low wins before can’t remember

@@sans_theskuller Eh, it's not too common as people leave around 100-150 because it just gets too boring to keep going.

@@pcsans8210 fair enough erererererer

Yeah i'm seeing a lot of dustbelief concepts, thank you for the kind words!

Np its always good to support people trying their best to make out some videos with good quality in it

And i forgot in the idea But maybe as first stage it would be phantom papyrus that could be a flowey (ujd) type of character With simple attack that have blue and normal attack and red (nothing new with red its just because he has red attacks) that could be fun but tbh i dont like the idea of a dustbelief papyrus So i have another idea that might be strange but it could be a papyrus still So First stage phantom pap Second papyrus Third horror papyrus Fourth dustbelief ( waterfall cause its my personal favorite ) And lastly six souls pap It seems strange at first but its actually logic That is some alternate timeline of papyrus that are all related to the fact they are a classic pap that had ( or not ) something different then the normal Hope you prefer this idea For the price i dont have any idea but i Will give them cause idk im bored ? So Phantom free cause ye its phantom Papyrus 15 win (jk it would be 17748383677485783947 win ) Horror pap im not sure either 100 win or 85 win Dustbelief ( waterfall still hahaha ) between 300-400 win cause that freaking disbelief is so op i cant put him above And six souls that would be more of a reward cause yk So between 4000-6000 win ( yes its huge gap but since there is not alot of chars in between its fine ) Sorry if its too long ; ( i just wanted to give some detail Edit: i wanted to say photoshop pap but i confused him with another pap that i couldnt find anywhere soo i added six souls pap instead

@@spider_chara I was hoping to keep the character more like the actual evos instead of flipping around different AU's, still a half decent idea though. Also the whole "adding extra upgrades for kills/gold" was kinda lost with this concept.

I understand that Tbh its hard to find evo papyrus without the aus thingy ._.

This could actually be a really good idea with a few adjustments. I think a easy and big one would be making it so it's a daily thing, so if you die as sans you can come back tomorrow as a different or the same character to try your best at exp again. Also making the exp from ~1-5 would be a better solution just so that it's more inclined to play multiplayer.

@@pcsans8210 I mean like... make it give 20 exp just for winning but not kills,sounds balanced by me

@@skell6134 Yeah but you'd be luckier to kill a randomly afk person a couple times to get exp then having to wait a day for 20 on one character. Plus locking the player out of getting exp if they've already unlocked the second to last stage would be a easy fix. Also the idea it to make the exp grind as painful as possible so that people are more inclined to do multiplayer.

@@pcsans8210 Usually getting daily exp from bots is only necessary for next character: Littletale,his upgrades dont cost alot so just take time grinding Pacifist:You just need to get exp until Joking aside or PrePacifist,then you can just play normally Papyrus:His upgrades are extremely cheap Negative:More problematic one but thats the only one you may have problems grinding exp for with this method

Aseprite, it's really useful and worth the purchase if you are planning on buying.

Pacifist damage is actually pretty good, not sure how you aren't able to kill afk players.

I was think something similar, but perhaps they could just bring all the old versions of weapons back until you get to newer servers. Or maybe just buff some of the newer sans's a little. I'm not worried about the older sans's because they are most likely going to get reworked anyhow.

so sad.

Sorry about that, my filming software decided to delete half of my video when I had almost finished it, so now I just don't have the motivation.

Yep, listen to this guy.

good idea, but the dmg buff should cap at some time

Chara idea is pretty cool, Dustbelief seems to be a common one.

Yeah