Okay I love when comment sections get all in the weeds like this comment section. Thank you guys, this is great

I think BMCC, are basically trying to keep cost down, and give a chance to micro-budget filmmakers to be able to afford the cheap ef mount lenses. Beginners filmmakers are desperate to put out quality film without going into debt, and even that said, most still will.

1:14 - Manual focus has always been the norm for cinema lenses and cinema camera. To say that the issue with PL mounts lack of data transmission is that it doesn't help with auto focus, well that's not exactly a concern with pros more than it is with videographers. Auto-focus is not a industry standard thing in the film industry. 4:35 - You're right, the BMPCC 6K Pro can be used as a B-Cam. It has been used as a B-Cam for "Squid Game" so far from what I can find. Great video, I love your ideas in the end as I too think BM should adapt the RF mount in future iterations of their cameras. Fujinon MK-Rs, from what I can see on B&H are the only professional RF cinema lenses. I know there are Rokinon lenses but to me they are photo lenses first and foremost due to the amount of breathing. Until I see Rokinon XEENs using the RF mounts, the lesser ones will always be consider photo lenses to me. Not a fan of using photo lenses on my BMPCC 6K Pro or any cinema camera. Again, just my opinion.

Thanks for the info 🙏🏽 super interesting

We've been producing a ton of client projects over the last year with 6K Pros. They are amazing cameras, but we are in agreeance that EF needs to go haha we hope the next iteration of the pocket cameras have RF mounts. Or even the option to put EF, RF, or even PL. We've began dipping our toes into proper cinema lenses and PL mount glass, and we love it!

Really enjoyed your presentation. Keep up the good work. I use the Zcam and they already use the EF locking mount and I can tell you they are rock solid especially with my cinema lens. In addition, the mounts are interchangeable so you can easily ad PL mount as well which is sold. But I have to include the fact that the zcam bodies are made of metal and built like tanks. It would be nice if Blackmagic redesign the body away from plastic (but cost saving may be compromised admittingly).

I work on at least 3 different sets a week. The black magic is used as an A cam on professional sets way more than people think.

Just keep coming back to this camera no matter what newer cameras I get my hands on.

Since the market is switching to RF, EF lenses are geting cheaper since there are alot more people selling their old EF lenses to buy the new RF. In The future we can look forward to be using realöy good EF glass for really cheap.

Would I have any problem if my BMPCC 6K with the internal speedbooster from LucAdapters I change the EF mount to the Wooden Camera PL mount? would it affect the flange distance?

I think the whole point of this camera was to use cheap stills glass like the Sigma 18-35mm. I would go as far as guessing that Black Magic saw people adapting the 18-35mm to their MFT Pocket 4k with a speed booster and said: hmmm super35 sensor and EF mount will give these users exactly what they want.

Nice video man 👍

I think the pocket version will stick with the EF / PL options as there's definitely a demand for this type of product. I also think they'll eventually come out with a cube that will have most if not all the things we wanted for more serious production work., it's just not gonna be called pocket cinema camera, just black magic cinema camera (/pro).

Very good video! I use photo lenses, and have considered switching to one of the new mirrorless mounts, but I think I’ll stick to EF for the moment. I can use EF lenses on basically every camera released in the last 20 years. I can use my EF Sigma glass on my own BMPCC6K Pro, my Sony FE mount cameras, on the Panasonic MFT cameras we have at the office, the Canon C70 we get from the rental house, and basically anything else I might use in the future. That flexibility far outweighs all the downsides of not only using photography instead of cine lenses, but also of continuing to purchase lenses with a now outdated lens mount.

Thanks Jacob Voss ! I'm a newcomer ... As for you what it means "shooting resolution : 3728 x 3104 (3.7K 6:5 anamorphic) (blackmagicpocketcinemacamera/techspecs/W-CIN-16) Do I need an anamorphic lens to take this resolution ? Sure I'm melting different things... The desqueeze fonction in the camera is made specially for this res or for a shooting with an anamorphic lens ? I'm lost ;-/ Thanks for trying to understand ;-O

One other thing to add is the Red DSMC 2 EF mount turns and clicks like a regular EF mount but it also has a PL style locking system on top of that. So I think that is the best of both worlds. It’s very solid and it doesn’t move at all. It grips the lens really tight. I’d vote for that idea on the Blackmagic.

I really hope BMD is listening. I’m holding off buying the 6K Pro in hope that they bring out an RF mount camera 🤞🏼

The BMPCC line of cinema cameras was designed to give filmmakers a low cost into the cinema realm in an INEXPENSIVE option, and offering high quality image for indie filmmakers. The URSA line which offers a pl-mount adapter is for an higher end filmmaker. The lens options for the BMPCC line is catering to budget style lenses options, even still there are a lot of cinema lenses with Ef-mounts: Canon cinema lenses and Zeiss for an example.

How often would you say you work with the 6K Pro on professional sets? I would imagine that shoots that have a 1st AC on set would probably just get 2 of the same camera then different brands. Or do you work with blackmagic alot? Like the URSA?

Thanks!

I’ve watched this multiple times and every time I still believe Blackmagic should stay with EF lenses. So many canon users would convert to Blackmagic with their EF lenses

Any suggestions for using adapters for RF or PL mount on 6k pro?

Nice take. I don't agree with everything you said, but I certainly agree that BM should incorporate a few things with their next major camera (not these Pocket and Ursa mini updates). I would hope for an RF mount that can be adapted to PL or EF. I'd also like to see perhaps global shutter, better dynamic range with a minimum of 15 stops, a body that's more of a box or rectangular design without the slope in the back. I'd also like to see SDI, Genlock, the option to black balance, and timecode. I can live with or without internal NDs, since I use large and small matte boxes with rotating CPL filters and ND filters. I think the cameras can be used as A cams, but given the harsh environment of some sets, anything short of some sort of metal won't even get a look from major studios. There's a video on KZfaq that someone made showing off a "wish-list" design. Not gonna lie, that idea was fire.

Hi Jacob! I'm also based in Austin, would love to hire you at some point. A lot of good comments here, one thing I didn't see anyone bring up (unless I missed it) is the fact that there are some decent, lighter cinema lenses out there these days, such as the DZO line, and the Meike Super 35 line, which seem to work really well with the 6kpro (the Meikes anyway, can't speak for the DZOs other than what I've seen on yt). Anyway, just found your channel and I love it. Subbed, and watching through your back catalog. Great content.

It makes sense now why they took the NDs out the 6k mark2

This was very insightful! right now im using the pocket 4k with a speedbooster to EF for vintage lenses and without a lock the mount isnt very secure. Im still debating on what format to go to next when I eventually upgrade. I feel like the full frame standard is the PL Mount.

I bought a lens support for mine. It doesn't screw into the lens. It mounts on the same rail system the follow focus mounts and the lens sits on it.

thanks bruh

Nice job 👍

What lens support did you use to fix this issue? I’m having the same problem with my irix 45mm cine lens. The supports I can find do don’t screw into the the lens itself they just help hold it up?

Interesting video! A few weeks ago, with a friend we were testing a Tokina Cinema ATX 11mm-20mm T2.9 lenses with a Komodo and a BMPCC 6K Pro. In both cameras the the lenses tend to jump when focusing with a Nucleus Nano. When looking carefully found that te lock system on both, EF mounts, was secured by a little pin that get into a hole of all EF lenses. This hole, for some reasons are bigger between each lenses manufacturer. And there is where actually the problem is. With Komodo, the moving lenses issue were more notable because there are two pin lock systems working, the RF and EF. I think that it can be fixed drooping just a little drop of silicone into lenses hole or something similar so pin of gets tighter. Maybe something else that I haven't think about it that can fix this problem.

argh I just bought 2x FF Cine lenses and am wondering if I should return them now or trade them for RF/E-mount of PL version but am using the BMPCC6K PRO wondering what I should do. Food for thought I hope BM can produce there next Cine camera to be cube shape with interchangeable lens mounts so one can go with which ever options they want i.e PL or RF or EF or even E mount would be ideal. and hopefully shoot 6K or 8K resolution @£3500 one would certainly buy that. with internal NDs and options for 6k or 8K maybe the 8K one priced at £4000 and 6K at £3000. Addon accessories as options I.e ( 1)12G - SDI & XLR and HDMI ports. (2)Wireless Monitor that can control the Cam & use for focus pulling, (3)Dual USB C for power & Data addon. the port could even offer Dual Recording for back up option, whilst the one on the camera can be for power 45/60 or 100Watts USB C port, and (4) A place to mount the SSD. (5) interchangeable mount panels. (6) can clip on V mount battery to the back of it. option the addon could come in at an Extra £2000 for the Bolton Unit. the camera does not ned to use a Magnesium body an Aluminium one would be fine Magnesium is harder to machine with out it coughing fire this is the reason my cameras with Magnesium body are more expensive even magnesium alloy can still be hard to machine. Full package priced at £6000 for the 8K and £5000 for the 6K version This could potentially be an URSA or Pocket modular line up for PROs & Cinematographers.

Thank you for the video! Quick question, do you think that a 1100 grams cine lens like the Meike T 2.1 35mm Full frame lens is safe to put it on the bmpcc 6k pro?

What rig was that at :10 sec that showed the camera rigged above?

No tenía idea, gracias.

cool feedback

Ive actually noticed this shift with even my sigma 18-35 photo lens. I've also noticed a significant amount of flex with this lens mount on the bp6k pro. Great content man.

Hey my friend! Thank you for your video, I have a bmpcc 6k pro , I will buy zeiss cp3 lens ,what’s should I buy between PL mount and EF mount?? The PL is the second hand so is cheaper , but do you think I should buy a new one with EF mount for my bmpcc 6k pro?

hi jacob! now I very like bmpcc 6k pro and thinking to buy zeiss cp 3 big set ,but when i see your vdo i very consider to but bmpcc 6k pro because just mount adapter problem ...what you recomend now?? are they any good adapter now ?? or buy another camera that can use the cp3?? very appreciate if you answer my question

You are an old man yelling at the clouds. 😄😄 Nah but seriously, for the price and images that comes out of the Pocket 6k and 6K Pro, we should just enjoy the camera without complaining too much. There is NO such thing as a perfect camera. Every single camera out in the market right now has it's own issues. At the end of the day, it's all about what you are creating with the tools you have. I've already shot two full length pictures with the Pocket 6K, and had NO issues with my cinema lenses. Stay safe and happy filming 🎥 🙂

Hi, is there a converter for ef to use sony e mount lens on 6k pro? Thanks!

Ok I feel like I just went to film school after watching this. Thank you for the education bruv

Nice Video, but I have a question now. I have my 6k Pro, RS3 Pro and the rig now at home for few days and watching a lot of videos to get the best out of the cam. Is it really worth it to spend about 500€ to PL Mount from Wooden Camera? Is the „only“ benefit to get not this jittery at back focus which maybe can fixed in post? Is the lens better locked in pl mount? Maybe someone can give me some advises 😊

2:39 "I don´t mind" is better with Le June vocals :D

Please can I use EF-S lenses on my Blackmagic 6k Pro?

I wish there were some more adapter options to take e Mount lenses to ef bodies. Or Rf lenses to ef bodies. I can't find any.

I really hope Blackmagic chooses a different mirrorless mount besides RF. There have been some rumors of them going with L-mount and I think that would be a better fit. L-mount is a fantastic mount system, open to third party lenses, EF and PL, aligned with some great brands like Sigma, works wonderfully with vintage lenses, m-mount lenses, as well as more robust Leica SL options. Panasonic has also done an incredible job releasing high quality lenses just as good as anything canon has produced on the RF mount, that cater to the needs of professional video shooters and not just photographers. L-Mount is a no brainer if you ask me. It’s time for canon to feel a little pressure to play ball with the growing needs of their customers. And if it came down to something like RF or E, I’d rather it be E mount. Or hell, even X-mount would be an interesting turn of events if they’re planning to stay in the s35 market. Canon isn’t the only company that produces excellent lenses, but they’re the only company that’s actively restricting what their customers can use on their mount.

Great content. I must say, I've never experienced an issue with lag using EF mount lenses... at least, not any of the lenses I own or ever used have that issue. Any lens that does, I imagine, is extremely poorly machined. Not saying it doesn't happen, since you demonstrated it, obviously. The PL mount is a better mount, of course. But I'm in EF land for the time being.

Thanks for this video, you saved me from buying the BMPCC 6K at this time. I like blackmagic and will buy their camera in the future if they change their lens mount as you suggested.

I watched this video for many times looking for a cinema lens for my bmpcc6kpro. Just got a Zeiss CP3 25mm moments ago. I noticed that the lens tested in Jacob’s video is a CP2 50mm. I have to report that Zeiss has perfect settled the issue by making a much smoother focusing ring. You rotate the focus ring and you’ll not feel any shaking on you images.

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ZCam should team up with BMPCC.

There are ef to pl mount adapters now.

good...

very good

This mount debacle is exactly why BM appellation of "pro" camera is questionable. Speaking of pro, I wish camera manufactures would adopt DisplayPort 2.1 into their cameras rather the HDMI. For one, its completely comparable with other ports (incl. HDMI) with the use of a simple adapter. And second, its a more professional connector due to its locking pin. So it won't pull out like the consumer HDMI will. BTW, did I mention its less expensive to integrate and has a far greater bandwidth and higher data transfer rate than HDMI 2.1. So with all the good and virtually no bad at lower cost, why aren't camera and computer manufacturers not jumping on this concept? I wish I knew. One more thing, when choosing any port, whether HDMI or DP always be aware of the version since that makes big difference is capability and performance. For some reason, the industry never prints the version on the port or even in the specifications.

anybody know if the p4k also has this problem? please let me know

We have Zeiss CP2. We don't have any issue using CP2 with Blackmagic Pocket cinema camera 6K.

Which adapter can I use with BMPCC 6K Pro so that I can use my CP 2 Lens?

I found an adapter from eBay that actually works for my BMPCC6K (not Pro), and I use my Cookes on it all the time.

ZCam has it all solved. These costs are crazy for all these adaptors.

You should've bought the black magic 4.6k or a Zcam

Depends what cine lenses one uses. Not all are that heavy.

BMPCC is best in the world camera 📷

Where does Blackmagic state it is a cinema camera? As far as I remember it’s was originally a live production camera.. Also I doubt EF lenses are going to be scarce especially if as you say people are moving away from them. They will still be in circulation they d t just disappear 😂 BTW Z cam have a twist lock EF Mount which is why I got one along with my original 6K. 😊

Just buy the bmpcc 4k with metabones .64 XL CINE speedbooster that uses PL-style mount for all EF lenses... 1.1 crop with fullframe lenses :)

Is bmpcc 6k has same problem ?

EF is king under PL

Been using the bmpcc 6k with the cn-e, cp2 and 3 series, Orion anamorphic and Angenieux zoom lenses for a year and getting no issues whatsoever, with gorgeous results in Q0 braw compression especially. This camera is a beast and kills it for that price range, with powerful post production tools readily available. Itt takes the same amount of time to change lenses on a bmpcc or a phantom, with 15cm rods and a baseplate to hold the focus gear, this is not a problem. If you need a PL mount, then you're using supreme or ultra primes or any other lenses that already put you on a budget that allows you to get an Alexa, Venice or a Monstro for commercial work, so this is not a problem really.

tons of S35 cinema lenses that are very lightweight

i uhhhhhhh i cant manual focus and i dont think black magic are going to make an autofucs camera. Plus i shoot weddings so Sony fan boy here i come.

Honestly I really want to know Why can't they make an affordable (Not 20K) Power Zoom Parfocal lens for the modern DSLR/Mirrorless Cameras. They do wonderful Video but Are CRAP for FOCUSING. My Canon XL-1 did better ZOOM video than any of todays DSLR types because auto Focus Doesn't work all that well. With my Canon XA-30 I can Zoom Full Focus and set it to manual and every thing past 15' will be in complete sharp focus. T shoot 99.99% TOY model R/C Airplanes And when some Unfortunate R/C Pilot makes a Smok'n Hole with his $@0k Toy JET I want every Piece in Prefect FOCUS when I Single Frame through the CRASH.

I agree that the EF mount is problematic. Here's where I disagree with you: This camera CAN be an A camera. Two, lens support isn't that big of a deal to use. It's quit simple and it doesn't require a lot to adjust. But, I do also agree that an EF mount with locking mechanism should be what Blackmagic includes, or at least give a PL option.

Most PL mounts do indeed transfer data but it’s never gonna be for autofocus. The data That a PL mounts gives you is metadata from certain lenses with LDS built in

Old man yelling at the clouds.

They will never abandone EF for RF. It would be a suicide for Blackmagic, especially when Canon fights against third party lenses and adaptors RF implementations in order to keep their RF lenses price as high as possible. Because of this, I really think that RF will never be as successfull as EF or PL have been.

only the RF mount is not licenseable

I have a bmpcc 4k with a metabones ultra M4/3 to Pl mount. The metabones screws into the cage, and so my cp2s mount rock solid on the pl mount. I still use a front lens support but it doesn’t screw on to the lens, so changing lenses is quick and easy.

Dzo have a EF mount as well prime Cinema lens

1:22 “transmitting data is impossible” is not true actually. The Cooke “i” standard transmits a lot of data on active PL mounts (found on Alexa, Venice and many other cameras with active PL mounts): focal length, focus distance, stop (with 10th measurements between stops). Not only Cooke has lenses like this, there are others as well. Not the standard but increasingly common among professional cinema lenses. I’m a 1st AC so I see and use hundreds of Cine lenses a year that cost more than everything I own 🤣 it’s a really cool system!

I think you’re forgetting the point of the 6K pro. It’s a consumer friendly cinema camera at a price range reasonable for the average Joe. At the price point compared to any other cinema camera and the overall image quality I feel there’s no comparison. I don’t think it’s BlackMagics intention for this to be an industry standard camera, it’s for indie filmmakers. The EF mount gives filmmakers a huge variety of cheap lens options to choose from, whereas the mounts you mention also comes with a huge price bump in lens cost to suit. Saying the camera can’t be used as an A camera is too generalised a statement and completely disregards the camera and users ability to make a good film. See people that have made films on iPhones - a camera is just a tool. I assume you’re implying it can’t be used on ‘Hollywood level productions’, but again, the camera isn’t made for those people.

Rather than look for faults, one must always ask were my production is, for camera requirements. One hat does not fit all !!

I hate PL mounts, they are really hard to get lens on and off quickly, sometimes it would get stuck for and almost impossible to remove the lens. I happily converted my lenses from PL to EF (DZOFilm Pictor) and I even changed my ursa mini pro 12 from PL to EF mount and there are no issues with stability or any issues to get the lenses really quickly on and off. With EF lenses sits tight and I've never had any issues with it. With PL mount one broke for me, with hwo impossible they were to easily mount and dissmount lenses and it took me 3-4 minutes to change a lens, I would get tired after 1-2 minutes lens not comming of PL mount and had to rest for 1-2 minutes before I could try again. That's my two cents... I'll personally stay away from PL mounts, they are not all they are cranked to be...

Interesting pretext, however BMPCC 6K Pro is not intended to emulate Hollywood's cinema exclusive and ridiculously expensive camera and lens form factors. This camera disrupts all of their proprietary exclusive production ecosystem with an image that transcends the limits of what an independent filmmaker could produce few short years ago. If a DP can get a good lens on this camera the goal is achieved.

Did he say that it will be hard to find EF mount lenses? There’s sooooo many of them out in the wild. It won’t ever be a problem. 🤔😆

If you think”autofocus”has any part in filmmaking you don’t know Jack💩 about 🎥

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