I was a tad nervous about this one as I dont know nearly as much about Tim Drake as I do other members of the Bat family. But I've always felt his issue is one of the more obvious ones so I did want to talk about him. I never expected it to become a 30 minute video (expected this to be our shortest) Next up is a family I know a TON about, Flash Family. (We'll come back to Dick Grayson and the Batgirls)

What to do with Tim is PAINFULLY OBVIOUS. What set Tim apart from the other Robins was his personal life, he had a secret identity and network of friends and family. They took a lot of that away when they killed his father. What DC should do is get Tim out of Gotham, send him to college and give him his own supporting cast of characters. DC wanted Tim to be their version of Spider-Man and for many years he was and it worked, so just bring that back! And for the love of god get him as far away from Fitzmartin as possible.

Me, a 90s Tim Drake fan: "Look how they've massacred my boy "

Tim Drake is like the Wally West of Robins. He gave everyone just about everything they like about Robin, but he was big in a time before most modern people joined comics, so most of his impact is lost. Especially when New 52 retconned the other Robins' early years to be more like Tim's (even down to the costume). Now, I don't blame you if you don't get why Tim was such a big deal. Because as far as the world at large is concerned, he isn't.

The sad thing about Tim is that his time as Red Robin was really short. You can tell that in his 2009 Red Robin series, there were more stories that the writers at the time wanted to do but didn’t because, of the fact that by the time Tim was done with the mantle of Robin and going on his own adventures as Red Robin, DC was on the verge of rebooting their universe, and the writers that were writing him and that series were replaced so they couldn’t do any more stories to unlock his full potential. Personally, I would have Tim being Red Robin and having him being the detective around the world or keep him in Gotham and leading the Gotham Knights along side with Batwoman, and have him be a part time member of the Teen Titans, with Cassie Sandsmark Wonder Girl as the leader. For Damian, I would have him be Robin, working alongside with Batman,going on his own personal adventures, and leading a new Young Justice with a young Jon Kent Superboy.

What made Tim special was that he was the most well adjusted out of everyone. He wasn't consumed with tragedy his whole life and around every corner was some horrifying event taking place. He started out with a normal girlfriend who wasn't Stephanie and his own family. He was independent from Batman, which is what they took away to make him more like the other Robins...only to then wonder what to do with him.

Tim was always my favorite Robin. Namely reading Chuck Dixion stuff but also The Red Robin series by Chris Yost was great. For me what made Tim the best Robin was that he wanted the job. He manages to deduce Batman’s identity and also gave a logical reason for why Robin needed to exist: to keep Bruce in check especially post Jason Todd’s death. I love Dick Grayson but Tim purposefully entered the role by himself. He also had to earn the position and has been shown to be on par with Bruce as a detective and intellect.

My issue with Tim is when he morphed back into Robin, and DC didn't know what to do with him. After the timeline was reset, he should've returned as Red Robin

Pre new 52 Tim Drake was peak

As someone who read all of the Robin/Red Robin comics, I'd say what made Tim different from the others is that he was the most relatable/Realistic. He was the Spider-Man of DC. Tim had his parents and dealt with real issues that plague school systems and our childhood. The Robin comics segwayed a lot of kidlike wonder into a darkness that children and parents feared, like school shootings and the death of classmates. Back then, they were trying to make Tim the next Batman, in a way, a master combatant as he trained with the military and lady shiva, as well as the next big detective. As someone mentioned before, Tim made the robin mantle cool, and what we all love about it stems from Tim, not Dick. What made the Red Robin run great was, despite the name, this was Tim at his peak, and the death of Bruce allowed him to go off on his own; I'd argue he was just as far from the batfamily as Jason as Tim was contemplating killing on many occasions and targeting many members of the justice league/batfamily if they had gone rogue. He was more Batman than Dick wore the mantle at the time. Tim had the reader's thoughts. He talked about how odd things were and even questioned Bruce, as fans have been doing for years. I disagree that Stephine was a core character that defined Tim. It's not to say she wasn't and to undermine the storylines they went through together, but I believe Tim's defining moments were when he was primarily alone, and that was One year later era (sort of as he was part of the teen titans) and Red Robin. I might be slightly biased, as I never liked the Stephine Brown character. I couldn't ever see an adult Tim dating her as he went from a chill and full-of-life young man to a dark, cold, and calculating one; even after he fixed his issues with Dick and Damian, it was a lasting effect. What made Tim at his peek during Red Robin was that we had a character who was once the light to Bruce's world and had a normal childhood, but once everything began to be taken away from him as it was to Bruce, we notice that Bruce had sorta "corrupted" Tim. Alfred mentions that he had hoped Tim becoming Robin would make Bruce lighter, but it only darkened Tim significantly. And once Bruce had died, Tim had an identity crisis and became a Red Hood Lite, as in he brutalized enemies to get what he wanted but never killed them even if it crossed his mind. I always considered Tim a darker version of Spider-Man/Sherlock Holmes during his one year later, and Red Robin runs.

While he is my favorite, I think the problem with Tim is an example of why so many miss the pre 52, Red Robin was him at his best in a sense and then New 52 skipped his Robin years so they can't just put him back unless they come with a new identity to make everyone happy that makes sense, reminds me of my problem with Damian right now where he's still Robin

I would say that the problem with Tim is not redundancy but DC wanting to replace him as robin. You said it before, his identity was robin. Much like how Bruce Wayne is Batman and Clark Kent is Superman. However unlike them, Tim was never truly linked to that role and wasn’t given enough agency in his time as robin nor did he really leave of his own choice

Tim is my favorite dc character. I feel like the issues with him is that writers don't know what to do since Damian has been introduced.

I for one would love a run of Damien and Tim being robin at the same time. Leading to some funny and insightful conversations as the child assassin son of Batman and the intelligent son of Gotham who represents the bat family's heart. Their interactions while under Bartmans watch could lead to some actual meaningful ties we never had in things like battle for the cowl. Tim being the detective and Damien being more the dark knight.

I think they should do a refresher book for Tim Drake where he leads a double life as a detective for the NYPD or his own agency and as Red Robin (or whatever moniker he wants). Maybe something like a Daredevil lens. That way he can cross paths with Batman and the fam cos hes the smartest they will go to him with hard mysteries and they can do alot of stories with intertwining plots with mysteries. I think Tim is more of a lone wolf type he doesnt need a team, maybe reunite him with stephanie but thats all he needs. Hes interesting enough himself, hes seasoned hes skilled he can handle himself. Hes basically Batman but without the vengeance only the detective side.

I never understood why Tim stopped being Red Robin. Yeah the name is a little meh, but his first RR costume was cool as hell. To me, having Tim grow up was the best choice they've made.

The problem was they made Damien while Tim was still Robin. With him being smarter then Bruce you would think they could have him become a Detective type character, but that would require DC Writers smart enough to write a Detective. I really thought that when Conner and Bart came back we would get him running around with them again. Sadly those Writers had NO idea how to write those Characters and just ruined that idea.

What made tim special to me was that he was the only robin that wanted to be robin (a sidekick), and the fact he is the smartest of the group/best detective. So why not make him like a modern oracle? He becomes the man behind the chair, he helps the superhero community, hell since alfred is gone i am kinda surprised tim doesn't help out more in the batcave. Making him the new oracle gives him a purpose in the universe and fits his skills.

I think a big problem is the New 52 condensing everything Batman related down. Pre-N52, we saw Tim becoming Robin, the only active Robin, we saw him fill the role in a new and interesting way that helped him be unique. In the New 52, that's all vague backstory. There's several real world years between Tim and Damien being Robin for the transfer to happen. With the reboot, all the robins exist simultaneously. Why would Bruce Wayne need to fill in after Todd when Damien's right in the wings?

Tim Drake became redundant when Damian Wayne became Robin. I always thought it would've made sense for Damian to assume a bat-themed identity to drive home his status as Bruce's biological son. DC seriously drop the ball with Tim, and I'm still annoyed by it.

The best way they could have used tim in this scenario where bruce is alive, has another robin and a huge team backing him up, is to make tim quit being red robin/robin and make him fully focus on his passion (like they tried 60+ times but keep forgetting it), and to make it more interesting maybe make his last story as red robin/robin, him finally realizing what he actually wants to study or work as...an actual detective. Tim from the start only became robin because as he and EVERY one knows, batman will always need a robin. While he has enjoyed being robin, he on many occasions said that he wanted to do something else with his life because while he likes being a superhero, its not his overall passion. The best way they can use tim is to finally let him move on and become a fully fledged detective (not a "superhero" detective that is mentioned to be smarter then batman but gets distracted in the middle of a fight because hes thinking bout his boyfriend and what to celebrate off panel for that comic [btw bi or not dont matter just what matters is that any change to the character shows progress on evolution and betterment, not change because why not]) anyway point is somehow tim drake who has studied for years on how to become the best robin he can be for batman who knows fighting styles from shiva and who has solved puzzles and tasks from batman who thought where nearly indecipherable, should just get the detective comics and it be about tim becoming an actual detective solving crimes and puzzles left by new or old villains in a new city somewhere, and who can maybe show up to give heroes leads to other cases, he doesn't need to continue to pretend to be a 18 year old robin when he's kind of 20 somn and should be in college. Anyway thats my view if you read all this thank you and i hope you enjoyed my lil idea and rant, have a good day everyone!

You made tons of great points in this video. You also pretty much hit the nail on the head for me about the bi Tim story. I don't care about how people feel about the red robin name, but Tim's red robin solo comic is where his character should be right now and I just don't understand why it's so hard for DC to get that. Tim and the young justice generation of characters have just continued to be left behind or frozen when they should have already moved past their sidekick lives.

Personally Tim is one of my favourite Robin, so I kinda resent how he got poorly treated. To me his spot in the Robins always was clear: he was the detective/brain. I always saw him as the most mental-oriented of the Robins. Regarding him being bi, I personally have only one issue with it: they broke him up with Spoiler for this. And I really liked these two together.

The problem with Tim Drake is that he was basically a Carrie Kelley rip-off. Still, his begin concept of it was even interesting. What set Tim apart from the other Robins was that he wasn't Batman's orphan. He had his family and a life outside of vigilantism. His relationship with Batman was more like a student and teacher. Dick and Jason saw Batman as a foster father, but Tim already had his father. So he viewed Batman more like as a boss and the Robin mantle as some sort of undercover job between his civilian life. He was the closest the DC had to Peter Parker. But in 2000s, DC just decided to do away with all these aspects that made Tim different. They killed his parents and made him another Bruce orphan. Damian's arrival was just the final nail in the coffin to bury Tim in irrelevancy. Unfortunately, with Damian dominating everything, I find it very difficult for Tim to become relevant again. It does n't help that his origin from him relies heavily on Dick and Jason to function. Dick, Jason and Damian are easier to adapt to other media in comparison. It was no wonder that Tim Drake in the animated series had to literally riped of all Jason's origin as a street kid to generate a more interesting episode.

I completely agree with Tim just being a redundancy at this point and the writers not knowing what to do with him but what's funny is that the solution is easy 1. give him a new code name move him completely away from the robin title maybe not even a bird I saw a really cool concept art with Tim taking on the mantel of the grey ghost which is genius, second move tim to his own city and start to develop his own villains , 3rd Tim is a detective so let him be one focus his books on detective stories showing of his skill in deduction. He could be like a the question like character and his books could read like mystery novels.

I personally think Tim is the most logical replacement for Bruce as Batman. Dick has forged a place for himself as Nightwing. Jason is Red Hood, the darker Batfamily member. Stephanie is back to being Batgirl, which fits her arc. And Damian I feel is too determined to become Batman one day that his arc would be best served in coming to the realization that he doesn't have to be his father. Tim is the smart one. The detective. He's not the best fighter, but his tech could make up for that. And he doesn't necessarily want to be Batman, meaning he's not trying too hard to be Bruce. The issue is, until he becomes Batman, he needs a purpose. And Bruce isn't going anywhere for long, so Tim will never really get his time as Batman.

I think that Young Justice (The show) dealt with Tim perfectly. All of the robins have a fairly easy placement in DC to me. Dick was the first robin and works well having time between leaving Batman and becoming Nightwing where he founds the Teen Titans imo. I think that's the cleanest way to work out Dick's timeline. Jason is already very distinct and Red Hood works as the loner of the bat family that is willing to go out on his own for a lot of his stories while coming back for big events and stories. To me, Tim works great as Red Robin and is the leader of a bat family-based team. In Young justice, this consisted of Spoiler, Orphan, and I think its Arrowette? So like. I think if you drop Arrowette and replace her with Duke or something like that and give them a team together, they would all work great together as a Bat Family teen comic akin to a more undercover/covert Teen Titans. Then that leaves Damien room to be the core Robin of new stories and whatnot. I think he's pretty clearly distinct already so not much I need to add here.

Out of the 4 Robin's Tim has it the worst. They literally have no idea what to do with the poor guy

So long story short: Tim Drake: You took everything from me. Damien Wayne: Because, you don't even know who you are.

I really liked the casually comics about tim drake. I wished they just revived the gotham knights label and put tim, cassandra, Stephany, Kate, Luke and Duke there.

The evil Batman Tim Drake is originally came from "Teen Titans" Vol. 3, issue #20-#23, published in 2005. The story arc is titled "Titans Tomorrow" with also evil Superman Connor Kent

I think the main problem with Tim is he's used as a doormat. I love him, but he does nothing no matter how much shit he goes through. As soon as an arc is resolved he doesn't change, there's no development - the ONLY thing that permanently changed is his identities (Robin and then Red Robin), everything else is just like a portrait; people might bump into it but it always readjusts itself. And it's sad because he has so much potential. Honestly he has as much right to separate himself from the bats as Jason did and more rights to it than Dick did when he became Nightwing, but he doesn't. And I think he doesn't because they have no personality to go off of for a proper completely solo arc. Don't get me wrong, I love Tim, and I know he does have a personality. The problem is the writers don't seem to.

I remember you saying you dyed your hair to seem approachable at events. Now you're a comicbook institution and super recognizable anywhere. Props to you man, nice watching you grow. Warm regards from Peru. You've been an important company in very hard times.

The biggest problem with Tim is Damien. Since Tim never got a defining post Robin identity like Dick and Jason did, and Damien becomes Robin, Tim in just left by the wayside, I know they tried the Red Robin thing but it’s too close to his previous persona

He coming after all the Robins/Batfamily

This is how I would have written Tim Drake and his history. His origins would be the same as his pre flashpoint origin, where he found out the identity of Batman and Nightwing, ask and convince Bruce to become the next Robin, and after some training, he becomes Robin. He would work alongside Batman, and work with some members of the Bat Family at the time such as Oracle, Batwoman, Nightwing, Orphan, and Huntress. He would even have his own adventures like in his Robin series by Chuck Dixion, he would have an on and off relationship with characters such as Spoiler, Bernard, and even Tammy Fox, while also building his friendship with Kon-El/Conner Kent Superboy and Bart Allen Impulse and form Young Justice. After the events of Graduation Day arc, where Donna was believed to be dead by a Superman robot, Young Justice disbanded, and then a year later, Cyborg, Starfire, Beast Boy, and Raven invited Robin, Superboy, Impulse, and Cassie Samdsmark Wonder Girl to Teen Titans. His father would be killed by Captain Boomerang and would be officially adopted by Bruce making him Tim Drake Wayne. A year later, he would lead the Teen Titans with some other new members coming and going such as Red Devil, Mia Dearden Speedy, Rose Wilson Ravager, Jamie Reyes Blue Beetle, Bombshell, Bunker, and Solstice. During that time, Damian would appear, and would have a feud with each other over who should be Robin. After Bruce was attacked by Darkseid and was believed to be dead, and after the Battle of the Cowl event, Dick becomes the new Batman, and has Damian as the next Robin. Feeling lost, Tim becomes Red Robin that was previously used by the villain Anarchy, where he finds out about Bruce’s death, while battling Ra’s Al Ghul. After he defeated Ra’s, he reconciles with Dick, and in his adventures with Dick and Damian, Tim and Damian started to get along well and Tim helps Damian to be become a good person and Robin. During his own adventures, Red Robin would start having a more serious relationship with Spoiler, and would often be part of the Teen Titans, whom are lead by Wonder Girl. He would also team up with other Bat family members. When Bruce came back as Batman, and made Batman Incorporated and Batman International. He would have Red Robin and Batwoman to create Gotham Knights that consisted of Spoiler, Batgirl (Cassandra Cain), Batwing (Luke Fox), Bluebird, The Signal, and Clayface (later Harley Quinn, Clownhunter, Azeral, and Dark Knight (Jace Fox). And in the Dawn of DCU era, I would have Red Robin, mainly be a detective superhero, that would travel in different cities to solve crime cases that other heroes wouldn’t be able to solve, and I would have his own rogue gallery mainly consist of assassins and lesser known villains such as KGBEAST and Catman. And at the same time he would be a part time member of Teen Titans, similar to how Batman was a part time member of the Justice League in the DCAU, and I would also have Spoiler teaming up with him from time to time, while she is working with Batgirl and Oracle.

Honestly speak It really just sounds like the best thing for Tim is to permanently end up with Stephanie brown You can have him be the one batman family member that found love and figured out how to have stable relationship. I Honestly agree with the idea that writers don't like stable relationships because they lack drama

I saw fanart of Tim adopting the Identity of The Grey Ghost, which I think is a great way to differentiate himself.

Tim was my favorite character and his friendship with Bart, Cassie and Connor was my favorite growing up. It does suck.

What a great vid. Thank you for your hard work on everything

The Tynion Detective Comics run was the perfect way to retire Tim from the Robin role and transition him into the next phase of his life. He was getting ready to enroll in college and he and Steph were planning to move in together. He was progressing! But then, DC undid all of that development, and now Tim is rudderless. Hopefully, Chip Zdarsky will give him new direction and purpose. Tim being Bi isn’t the problem, it’s the execution that’s upsetting. His previous relationship with Stephanie is completely being disrespected, similar to how Marvel is treating Spider-Man’s relationship with Mary Jane

This is partially why I dislike Damian so much. I loved the pre52 Tim stuff, and when Damian knocked him out of the spotlight (when Damian feels a bit redundant himself with Jason and Cass imo). Tim has so much untapped potential, I mostly just blame DC editorial.

Always enjoy your takes on things

Love the details

One of the many things that didn't make any sense with Dick firing Tim as Robin, in addition to unilaterally making the decision and picking the psycho murder toddler that tried to kill Tim a few times, is that Dick himself is a former Robin who never saw himself as Batman's subordinate, inferior, or apprentice. In either the pre-Crisis or Post-Crisis continuities, Dick and Bruce always butt heads on this note and a huge factor in Dick forming the Teen Titans time after time was his assertion that he was his own man that could be a hero without being Batman's administrative assistant. It rang really hollow and was blatantly and editorial decision and not driven by the character himself.

Honestly the best storyline they could do for him is to have him tackle the issue of figuring out who he is aside from being another Robin. Because he's not becoming Batman unfortunately, and he's not even in Batman Beyond as an adult. Even Damiens Pet is in it!

Nice video. I love full timelines of characters.

DROPPING BANGER AFTER BANGER WITH THIS SERIES BRO

Honestly, in an animated or cinematic universe I would love for Tim to be a successor to Batman and actually become the new Batman

Thank you for this , Tim is my favourite character in batfamilly and i felt like no one really cares about whats going on with him even tho he was at some point in time THE ROBIN

I'd like these type of videos on more characters! Miles , Bart, Spider-Woman, Kyle Rayner so many options

I’ve never been happier to not be a Tim Drake fan, Jheez I’m sorry for y’all’s loss 🕊️🙏🏾

I will never forget how growing pains from the animated series sent me into tears 😭 damn you Tim!!!! 💔

It's a shame what happened to Tim, the Red Robin series was his peak and after that it has been downhill

Red Robin In Arkham City was so fun to use

You forgot to mention Tim helped Stephanie through her pregnancy and adoption. Everything used to come back to the status quo in comics. Then they started messing with characters sexuality, and that’s not something that can be undone

The real problem with Tim Drake is adaptation. All the cartoons keep taking everything distinct about Tim Drake and giving it to Dick and Jason

Tim Drake needs to get away from Batman to setup his own identity just like Dick had. I'd go with a detective type hero like Question and Crimson Avenger since Tim is regarded as a great detective. ps... Raven's new52 costume is great! It's rule 63 Femto and works for her going full demon.

Love how you describe Jason Todd “he was blown up” 😂

Tim Drake was better with the spoiler true love of his life

Time to bring in Joker Jr. the best Tim Drake story.

Tim needs his very own bad ass costume. Give him a new name preferly a bird that stalks prey. Because he’s a detective and that’s it.

I wish you'd give some links or a list of issues you talk about I'd love to read some of these I am getting back into reading digital comics. I was a nerd back when it wasn't cool and then when it became cool I stopped.

I never used to know much about tim drake, got Gotham knights thinking robin would be Damian, but after finding out it was Tim I looked into him more and he became my favourite Robin In DCeased when the tombstones get ready out I cried so hard He truly was the best if them

The problems with Tim started in the early 2000s after Chuck Dixon left. DC's editorial had been chomping at the bit to kill off Tim's dad for years to make him an orphan like Bruce and Dick, completely missing the point that it was the fact that he had more normal life than those 2 and wasn't like them that made him popular. After Dixon left, they killed Stephanie, they killed Jack Drake, then they even killed his step-mom in quick succession, and those of his supporting cast who they didn't kill disappeared as he didn't have a reason to go to school or be Tim Drake anymore. At that point, he was no longer the normal one or the relatable one. He was just a miniature version of Bruce Wayne, something we'd seen multiple times already. His story no longer involved going to school or having normal friends or concerns. It was only natural that he be replaced as Robin soon after that with a new character who was actually distinct from Bruce and Dick in a way Tim could never be again. The one thing he had going for him was that his past was still canon, and his then-current stories could build on that past. The Nu52 took even that away, removing any life he ever had as Tim Drake and making him just another Robin, the one who had no purpose existing. When they did start bringing his past back years later, it was too late, and they didn't try to make him the normal or relatable one. Stephanie actually stepped in to fill that niche, first when she was going to college in her Batgirl series, and then as the designated 'normal person's POV character' in the bat-family. The only thing left of what Tim used to be was his relationship with Steph. And now even that's gone. DC should never have killed his father or Stephanie in 2004, and never have written Identity Crisis or War Games. If anything they should have let him retire like he always wanted and made Stephanie Robin for real instead of as a ploy. By the Nu52 there was no point to him existing anymore and he should have been erased instead of Stephanie and Cassandra.

Great vid

Always thought Tim should’ve been the one to create the Red X persona

I feel like Tim should be a detective series they have more of a chance to make Tim an interesting characters but they have no clue what to do with him

I think the problem is that Tim Drake was such a great Robin, they didn’t know what to do with him outside of being Robin. That’s why he is my favorite Robin. But it’s hard imagining him outside the Robin role. I think the other issue is they give too much to Dick Grayson. First he’s Robin, then he’s the leader of the Titans, then he’s Nightwing. I would just have Dick go from Robin to Nightwing. Then have Tim Drake be the leader of the Titans instead as Red Robin, while Damian eventually becomes Robin.

This videos are really good Benny, hope you make more on the Green Lantern side of DC. Guy Gardner, Kyle Reyner, Atrocitus, even the New Gods

I could fix him. There are plenty of ways of making him his own thing, but vintage comic writers are burned out and new ones don’t know what they are doing.

Dick is becoming DC's poster boy, he's charming and fun, hes a fun partner for Bruce but he's an even greater character on his own leading the teen Titans. Jason is the edgy robin, everybody likes red hood because he's DC's punisher, more recently he's leaving that and becoming more normal but personally I've don't find him as interesting anymore. Tim's only thing is that he's smart and really attached to Batman. Which I don't hate, I like seeing Bruce have such a loyal companion but I feel like Tim gets nothing to do when he's with Bruce. Then Damian shows up and I like Damian a lot but he takes the spotlight from Jason and Tim. He's the new edgy violent robin but he's also Bruce's new partner. So Tim has very little to do and then he gets sidelined by every other member of the bat family. I would love to see a Batman beyond like story where Tim gets to be Cassandra Cains robin, I think Cass being much more martial focused and less detective focused and Tim has the opposite I'd love to see these two have a buddy cop series. Also diversity is cool but Tim and Steph have more chemistry then his boyfriend I'm sorry, it makes sense it just isn't good, just my opinion though.

Conner Kent’s child Martha isn’t his child. He pretended that he’s married with a kid to protect them from… villains or something.

I'm a Tim Drake fan he's my favorite comic book character and the last 12 years have been torture.

Well put

Tim drake could’ve have a worlds greatest deteciveish run imo and had him somewhere different like nightwing in bloodhaven would’ve been great to see Tim making a name for himself somewhere where they need a different type of hero

I would aim Tim to have abother bird persona and the lead of a group of misfits like the time with clayface, use their skills to problem solving in Gotham and other cities, a colorful detective group ready for throwing punches yet not so dark like bats and so strong as the Titans and the league. More aproachable, having an office and dealing with the traumas and relationship that stems from the group.

Greatest Robin. Shame how they destroyed him.

Tim Drake is the middle child of the bat family, he just exist.

I agree with pretty much everything in the video except for the Tim being bi stuff. I think it’s fine that he’s bi, its really a non issue (and for those of you who are mad that he’s not with Stephanie, freakin relax. He’s bi, he’s still attracted to women. If things with Bernard don’t work out, which it might cause he’s kinda boring, then he’ll get back with Stephanie. Comics always go back to the status quo. Personally, think DC should just make their own version of jubilee and have Tim get with her, cause they were really adorable together when DC and Marvel had that crossover). You hit the nail on the head with the other issues though. Tim needs to get propped back up as a major player in the bat family and to have his own core character motivations. Like you said, Nightwing is the “better than Batman”, Jason is the “Batman with guns”, Damian was the “out of control Robin” but now he’s sort of evolving into something different. They need to establish or reestablish Tim’s primary motivations. Him having a primary role in Chip zdarsky’s recent fail safe storyline is a good start since he was great in that story, but they need to keep that going and continue to develop his character.

Tim Drake is not only my favourite robin actually my favourite superhero, I think like you said in this he needs a writer to make a clear vision and direction for him and hopefully get his own permanently unique identity that build on the Robin one I remember seeing a reddit post were somebody came up with the ‘Cardinal’ name which i loved, I think he needs his own form of nemesis like joker and batman, deathstroke and nightwing, Bane and Red hood at the moment and I’ve always thought punchline would do this very well as people who both went out of their way to join both Batman and Joker, I think that would also give punchline a purpose she’s been needing

Have to agree with the assessment of what New 52 did. I loved Tim, still my favorite Robin, pre-52, and didn't bother again after I saw what they did to him, Connor Superboy, Cassie Wonder Girl, and Impulse/Kid Flash. Geoff Johns's Teen Titans run was an amazing development of all of those characters.

So we have Dick Grayson who has a solid identity as Nightwing and is basically the golden child of DC, Jason Todd as Red Hood as the black sheep (who the writers don’t know what to do with), and Damien Wayne who is basically Batman lite as the current Robin. Tim Drake is the only one that I can’t put a solid identity on. Jason may have his issues with the writers not knowing where they want to go with him, but at least he has a defined identity. I think Tim Drake was at his best as Red Robin. It kept his roots as the quintessential Robin while evolving him into something more. What I think we need is another detective comics idea but with Tim as Red Robin again.

Once they changed him into something he wasn't I lost respect for the company and still refuse to buy into the fake new narrative when the creator himself stated who he really is.

Tim is DCs Ben Reilly

I grew up watching teen titans with Tim. I loved him. Didn’t start reading comics until later and was really confused as to where he had gone.

In regards to Wally West, he was also used as the Primary Flash for Cartoon Networks run of the Justice League.

I’m a fan of Tim since the 90s, especially as he was written by Chuck Dixon. And I totally agree that the introduction of Damian was the beginning of problems for Tim. DC hasn’t known what to do with Tim ever since. The bisexual retcon is a perfect example of DC grasping at straws as they are clueless what to do with him. As an aside, I think having Jon Kent be bi is an excellent move. He is still a relatively new character (and most of that as a kid) so him being bi really isn’t problematic (though he arguably should never have been aged up to begin with, but that’s another story). But back to Tim. You aren’t missing much by not reading his solo book. The story is about average. Nothing electrifying. And the art is absolutely horrible.

The Gotham Knights game was my introduction to Tim Drake and I loved him! If anyone had good stories to recommend of his, I'd love to read them

It probably doesn't help that he's constantly having his character derailed, his history retconned, and periodically disappears out of the comics entirely only to reappear a few months or years later without explanation.

Tim Drake is Great as a detective and is the every man like Peter Parker. Tim Drake has always had an interesting dynamic with Red Hood do to the fact they both feel like the black sheep of the bat-family which in turn makes the dynamic interesting. I feel it could be a cool duo to write a few team up issues about of course the dynamic has been explored in few issues before but it would be cool to read story arc exploring the dynamic in a new way and it would help make Jason Todd not feel so stagnant in growing past his problems with the bat-family by having him spend time with Tim who in he has always had a weird history with in comics.

To fix Tim Drake, I would have him make his debut as Earth-One’s fourth Robin (after Bruce Wayne, Dick Grayson, and Jason Todd) in 1989 (or 22 before Dawn of DC) at the age of 13. During those years, he would become a founding member of Young Justice in 1998 (or 18 years before Dawn of DC), reveal his identity to the people that he trusts throughout the 90s and 2000s (i.e. Stephanie Brown Spoiler in the 90s in his own series and members of Young Justice in the early 2000s), and gain his own character development. He would graduate high school in the spring of 1999 (or 17 years before Dawn of DC), form the first generation Young Titans in 2003 (or 14 years before Dawn of DC), graduate college in 2004 (13 years before Dawn of DC), become Red Robin (wearing his original Red Robin Kingdom Come suit) in 2009 (or 10 years before Dawn of DC), reform Young Justice in 2011 (or ten years before Dawn of DC), marry Stephanie Brown (who became Batgirl after Barbara Gordon and Cassandra Cain) in 2016 (or five years before Dawn of DC, referring to Tynion’s Detective Comics run), and continue to be active as a superhero. By Dawn of DC in 2023, Tim Drake would be 35 years old (but physically 22 years old) and be active as a superhero, maintain his relationships with the Bat-Family and Young Justice, have a marital romantic relationship with Stephanie Brown Batgirl (wearing a mixture of her Spoiler and Batgirl suit that is similar to Spider-Gwen), and live the good life. Also, Tim and Stephanie (after years of marriage since 2016, or five years before Dawn of DC) would meet her daughter (who was born in 1999, or 17 years before Dawn of DC) and tell her everything she [the daughter] needs to know about them [Stephanie and Tim and the Bat-Family], including her [Stephanie’s] origin and backstory as a superhero and joining the Bat-Family (if Stephanie chose to do it). This would cause Stephanie to spend time with her daughter from time to time, causing the daughter to take her mother’s mantle as the second Spoiler, and for Stephanie and Tim to try to have kids, who, in the future (the 2030s or 2040s), would make their debut as Cardinal, Gray Ghost, and Redbird in their teens or young adulthood. That is what I think DC should do to Tim Drake.

I see what you mean about Tim Drake's sexuality, it does feel like Tim was made Bi because they needed something to do with him... Which as a Bi person, It sucks that he's just gonna get known specifically because he is Bi by new readers. Oh well, atleast I have that dreamy Jonathan Kent to look up to

Finally someone finally brought up that Tim's been running into a wall for years as a character

Tim had a purpose up to the new 52. Then, they revamped him as this new leader of young people, as Tim's Titans were now the first and only titans team. It's just his mission statement and battle agaisnt Harvest....didn't go anywhere and it wasn't good. So all that work and sacrificed character changes were for nought. It's like when a pro wrestler has a stupid gimmick or heel turn. If it flops hard enough they tend to revert to what last worked. BUT, they lose a ton of heat and unless they are a legendary character, rarely recover from such moves.

How would you feel if Bruce Wayne was permanently retired?

If they were gonna make Tim bi just make him dare superboy💀

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I though Tim was the smart, independent, and well adjusted Robin with the best gadgets. But I think this is more of the problem. He is too perfect and well adjusted and it gets in the away of his good stories