And thank you for the comment. We might never know for sure, but part of what inspired this episode is the aesthetic theory that believed Greek temples and statues to have been white. We know that is not true, and the possible existence of psychedelic substances allows one to dare an aesthetic leap whereby they could (re)imagine Greek mythology in the terms we tried to show in this video, bright coloured and violent, dark, intense, weird and sublime.

The mystai could not talk about the ritual activities because it was a capital crime to do so. An initiate who divulged the secrets would be tried and executed for it. 😬

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Well... you could be the inaugurator! (But at least tell us why)

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Everything but the smell. Take a showa hombre, comprende?

Thank you very much! :-)

Yes, like we mentioned in this video, sometimes grains were called "mad" or drunken." Thank you for reminding us of the Bosch painting though! Good catch!

ergot also is problaby the cause for the witch hunts in europe.

We are glad you enjoyed it! :-)

Glad you enjoyed it!

George Palaios Είναι ήδη στην γραμμή παραγωγής!

Food for thought - Food of the gods ;-)

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Thank you, much appreciated!

mairyc1 More is coming soon!

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We are happy that you enjoyed it! Hopefully the rest of our content will also be inspiring to you!

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The time has come to ... Galvanize!

Yep, that is what we said at 2:28

Greetings as well. As you probably already know, all of our videos have Spanish subtitles. So please spread the word ...

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Welcome and we hope you’ll enjoy the whole journey!

Yes a good documentary indeed. We have in mind another documentary based on the Eleusinian Mysteries, which would be quite... vibrant if we are able to produce it!

did you find anything interesting ?

We are thinking of doing a feature length documentary on Eleusis, so I will definitely check this book out! Thank you.

Thank you very much for this message. It is truly within our hearts to try and show a possible way out of this mental (as well as physical) lockdown that we Greeks have been going through over the last decades. We do believe that whatever change occurs in the physical and social plane is preceded by an equivalent change in the mind. A physical lockdown is preceded by a mental one. Our horizons have become too narrow, and psychedelics, as useful as they are as tools can only give you so much. It's an entire culture that needs to change in order to support whatever revelations come out of them.

@@AncientGreeceRevisited I think what we need as a nation is a vision for our future to get us out of any kind of lockdown. And maybe we can learn from our past. Maybe a nation where power is decentralized and Hellas consists of a confederation of semi-autonomous city-states in harmony with nature and the other species of our planet where people are directly involved in the decisions that affect their lives. Maybe this would be too costly at this point due to the geopolitical conditions around us. I realize that this is a giant leap from where we are now. So maybe as a first step we can envision a country where people of too much political or financial power and media parrots are ostracized from public affairs and we tend towards becoming self-sufficient as a nation and hold referendums for the important matters in our lives like Switzerland. This of course has a prerequisite: that we are properly educated and we don't have to rely on pseudo-experts with ulterior motives. That is why I think that your platform holds enormous potential. It can act as a guru with the Sanskrit meaning of the word which is darkness dispeller!

@@filp8147 Thank you again! Yes, we definitely need a change, but we also have to wonder as to why it's not happening. There is no single Greek who does not agree with the statement "Greece needs to change for the better" - and I suspect we could even agree on many of the specifics: more transparency between the state and citizens, more jobs, better education (perhaps with an emphasis on ancient Greece)... and yet, it's not happening. We need to ask why. I personally believe that there is a deeper cause for all this. Like I said, changes on the physical plane are preceded by those on the mental, the plane of pure ideas. Many people today espouse what used to be called "materialism" (in the philosophical sense) without even knowing it. Super-consumption might not be an advent of late capitalism as some might think, but a natural consequence of accepting that all reality is essentially made of matter, and that matter can be studied and controlled through science. We need to get to the root of our ideas if we are ever to progress. You might also be interested in our latest podcast (audio only) where I talk with an expert on these matters. You can find it both on this platform (it's currently our latest) and on Spotify : open.spotify.com/show/3DyqBYNYYQl200rx8o3JUr

⁠@@filp8147i like it. If ‘they’ listen to referendums

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Καλά το κατάλαβες... ;-)

Michallis Michalidis is an international man of mystery... just kidding. Our next video is going to touch on the mysterious also, but focusing more on history and the lost world of Minoan Crete. The one after that however... is going back to Dionysus!

@@AncientGreeceRevisited what's the frame work like for this kind of study. Are the videos just separate stand on there own bits of info or are they pieces of a bigger story. What is all of it based on?? Research? Literature? History?

The goal is to recapture the original Greek world-view. Works like that of Martin Heidegger for instance are pivotal in our quest. There is also an interview we have on our channel about a philosopher called "Castoriadis." He too had something important to say about the "inceptual" Greek-ness. He was a man of the Left, and Heidegger of the Right, so... somewhere between these two we might even make some sense. To answer your question in a different way: literature, history and philosophy are the main "excuses" for going back and trying to understand the ancient Greeks in their own terms.

@@AncientGreeceRevisited, with due respect of your very thorough ancient Greek explanations Michallis, could we ever say to be so called 'left'or 'right'?? Is not that just a little superficial and shallow for us humanbeings..? We are as I found deeply, all of it.. both left or right and everything in between, without taking notice of wishes to be.., which originates in the ego and his noise ofthen produced..or? :-) Is that really the reason of the Road to Eleusis? Not making the choise and step back from that? It must have been special, I exspect.., and the rumours about the content of the drink begins to speak on its own, these days. :-)

@@ThomiX0.0 The "Left and the Right" have nothing to do with Eleusis, obviously, and it's always helpful to remember that these terms did not even exist back in ancient Greece. However, they existed for Castoriadis and his revolutionary project which was inspired by Marxism. As human-beings (that you mentioned) we must accept the self-definition of each person as saying something important about them. Castoriadis believed in the revolutionary potential of Greek philosophy, but his goal was ultimately the overthrow of Capitalism in a post-Marxian sense.

That is definitely "right up our street." But so far, maybe this will be of your liking: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gbugf5yJnLCnfn0.html

You can find the entire correspondence between Gordon Wasson and Albert Hofmann in a book called "The road to Eleusis" (by R. G. Wasson). On your second question, the Bacchae (Βάκχαι) were the worshipers of the god Dionysus, and were known, much like the Sufis, for their ecstatic dances. In terms of his nature, Dionysus has been linked to the Hindu god Shiva, and there is a tragedy by Euripides (also called "Bacchae") that shows his darker aspects as a "destroyer of worlds."

There is a new book by Brian Murarescu called The Immortality Key: The Secret History of the Religion with No Name. He writes about Eleusinian mysteries and he even found that they were somehow exported to Spain. Or at least some elements of them. He claims that Greeks mixed their wine with various herbs including henbane and other toxic or psychedelic plants. He was also a guest in Joe Rogan's show together with Graham Hancock. www.amazon.com/Immortality-Key-Uncovering-History-Religion/dp/1250207142 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/neBxhJqE0NKoqKM.html

Yes!! Indeed. What a fascinating combination of people.

Yes, the title was more to catch the viewers attention. It's almost certain that LSD per se was not synthesized in ancient Greece, but on the other hand, just like you said, it's almost certain that SOMETHING was.

How??

@@AncientGreeceRevisited Episode #1543, came out today and they talked about this subject. I was fascinated by the idea and came across your video doing some digging. Really like what you're doing!

@@9898Mr I see. I though for a moment that we got an actual mention ;-)

Andrew Morgan Did you find some other interesting video’s on the subject?

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I didn’t mean that Greeks had “long associated” the two. I meant there were long associations throughout history and throughout various peoples. You can find a short history of this here: plato.stanford.edu/entries/pineal-gland/#Anti

Well, it's perhaps because they see this one here not doing so great ;-) hahaha

@@AncientGreeceRevisited 😂

Thank you for this! Great to know...

Sporo = seed in Greek

I believe that you connected with *something* that the Greeks would definitely recognise as Demeter.Persephone (remember, a mother and daughter pair in mythology is really the same deity in different forms). You might be interested to lear that I personally conceived of this channel during my year of experimenting with those substances. I was older by that time, and could process and reflect much better, albeit some of the youthfull energy that lights up certain trips had somewhat escaped me. What I found most fascinating was that - just like you hinted - it's impossible to describe what you experience, as those experiences seem to happen inside of a space where different rules to our materiall universe apply. It's not about "seeing things." Most people that I know try to describe their trips in terms of visuals. The visuals are there, but the experience reminds me of the connection we make between "seeing" and "knowing." In modern English you might say "I see" and mean "I get it." In ancient Greek, the word «οἶδα» meant "knowing" but its Indo-European root (*wóyde) came from the word "seeing." In this context, seeing is not "believing" but "knowing." What I have personally experienced in my own trips is a state where you see/know things. Where truth is not a "conclusion" you draw after examining the evidence but a revelation that is as undisputed as recognising a certain colour. There is a theory that all religions began by experimenting with psychedelics. I think that is a ratehr modern, and somewhat poor understanding of something much greater: that religions began by the revelation of truth through a state of seeing/knowing. It might have come through psychedelics, it might have come through meditation, fasting, or spontaniously... out of nowhere.

@@AncientGreeceRevisited at first glance, is that Indo-European root (*wóyde) the same root that Odin stems from? Also, the whole concept of discerning the difference in meaning of seeing puts me in mind of Carlos Castenada's writing.

@@8bitnespunk I would not know my friend.

@@AncientGreeceRevisited it was a shot in the dark. Sometimes they hit something, sometimes we don't know :)

Well, yes. If you read "The Idea of the Holy " by Rudolf Otto (g.co/kgs/NqWFUp) where such experiences are catalogued from around the world, you will find that "having fun" is not on the list...

I am not sure what you are referring to. Let me know if you have more information.

Έχουμε σα σκοπό ακριβώς αυτό. Αν θέλεις μπορείς να μας γράψεις στο FB group της σειράς για θέματα που θα σ' ενδιέφεραν...

The pineal gland of produces DMT in reptiles, that's true, which opens up the way for assuming the same for humans. But the pineal gland was mythologised long before any of this was known! For some reason, it was linked to consciousness, and there is also a gigantic pine cone in the Vatican! Whatever the case might be, we will be touching on mystery cults on our next episode, so stay tuned ;-)

If you like schizophrenia, you'll love DMT.

@@johnhardin4358 you sound like a professional for sure

I am not surprised. Mithra is an "even dying - ever rising god" kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mZ1xZq6is7Kzg5c.html

Ευχαριστώ για το μήνυμα σου Αριστείδη. Αν κάποιοι κατάλαβαν με τα όσα είπαμε στο βίντεο ότι απλά "οι Έλληνες μαστούρωναν," αυτό αντανακλά το δικό τους επίπεδο, για το οποίο δεν μπορούμε να κάνουμε και πολλά. Τώρα, όσον αφορά την κ. Μαραγκού, την οποία και σέβομαι, διαφωνώ με τις ερμηνείες της. Ο λόγος της είναι εμπνευσμένος και σίγουρα μπορεί και μαγεύει μερικούς, αλλά κατά τη δική μας ερμηνεία, οι απόψεις της άπτονται της "Ελληνιστικής" και όχι της Ελληνικής "κοσμοθέασης." Η εμμονή με την αθανασία της ψυχής, και της ένωσης με τον λεγόμενο "θεϊκό Νού" απαντώνται στην ύστερη κλασσική Ελλάδα, μετά (και ίσως με απαρχή) τον Πλάτωνα. Θα κλείσω με ένα πολύ όμορφο απόφεγμα του Heidegger, ο οποίος και προσέγκησε τον Ελληνικό νου περισσότερο από οποιονδήποτε μέσα στον 20ο αιώνα. "The danger of etymology lies not in etymology itself, but rather in the spiritual poverty of those who practice it-or, what amounts to the same, of those who seek to resist it."

Yes, yes... we've been told hahahaha.... many times ;-)

Yes, but don't forget that Plato's whole work was not a re-telling of these rituals (which he probably took for granted) but their relationship to knowledge. You can see it very clearly in the dialogue called "Ion," where poets are compared to the ecstatic initiates of the dark mother, Cybele. But as to their actual knowledge, and how it stands next to the philosopher's, it's a whole other question.

@@AncientGreeceRevisited Interestingly as Plato predicted the treatment of somebody coming into the cave teaching about the extended dimensions by 400 years before the holy water cult aka YesUs was driven underground another

@@usertogo Yes, it's well within our interests. For the moment we touched on this subject in kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mtJ_mNNou7Woo4U.html. What I meant by my other comment, however, is that the Allegory of the Cave is quite profound and should not be taken merely as a reference to the Eleusinian mysteries. I mean, even the analogy is inverted. In the mysteries the initiate goes down while in the Cave he comes up into the light. Sure, it can still function as a metaphor but I would suggest you don't rush into a "premature analysis" using the Great Mysteries. In short, the mysteries were known to Socrates and Plato, and mentioned throughout his texts. The task of the philosopher however is not to lose himself into an ecstatic moment where he forgets his human nature and unites with the divine, but rather, to "stay human" and know the truth, which will inevitably be a very human truth.

@@AncientGreeceRevisited yes, but I like the shamanic imperative (John 3:7) man goes into the cave but comes out as #homoHyperdimensionalis reborn - all illusions died with the man that went in enlightenment by oneness eXperienced

@@AncientGreeceRevisited Socrates was killed because he seduced the youth to go investigate the mysteries- and so were many prophets of the holy water aka YesUs

It's not just Greece! Read the following: tinyurl.com/4azt5p2e That is the United Kingdom's Psychoactive Substances Act of 2016. Now, in case you didn't notice, what is particularly creepy about this Act is that it doesn't outlaw particular substances like Heroin or Cocaine, but a mental state! Because the only definition of a "psychoactive" substance, when stated in the general, is one that has "psychoactive" effects. To me, that's like outlawing anger or love... and the door is now open for governments to regulate what emotions are deemed acceptable.

@@AncientGreeceRevisited Wow---"excludes legitimate substances, such as alcohol, tobacco, nicotine, caffeine...."---in other words, known deadly substances---but anything that opens your mind beyond the christian capitalist labor camp is OUT. Well, our heads have already poked through the veils of falsity and the war-helmet will never fit rightly again! That is our great hope...

Ergot grows most grains, including wheat (tinyurl.com/3sxzkwfr).

It is inaccurate, which is why we never said that (have you watched the video?)

@@AncientGreeceRevisited I did watch the whole thing, but got the impression that is what was being put forward.

@@niccoloaurelius1587 After recounting the whole myth of Persephone? After saying explicitly (10.35) that what we presented did not prove that the Greeks "tripped on LSD"?! Why are people stuck on details and not enjoying the larger presentation is beyond me!

@@AncientGreeceRevisited sorry to have upset you! It was the impression I got from the video. Good to hear that you're aware the greater mysteries were (likely) something else.

We have gotten so many of these "corrections" that I am considering to simply change the title. It was meant as a metaphor! Everyone knows that LSD proper was synthesised in the early part of the 20th century and not 2,500 years earlier. Whoever sees the video understands... that we understand ;-)

It has been suggested by more than one viewer. It's been long due from my part.

Yes sir you got it but for sure they were tripping lol