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The QK80 - My Experience
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Күн бұрынThis is the QK80. It's a wild keyboard for it's price point of roughly 160 to start. Bluetooth, two batteries, amazing finishes, tons of options and fun modular mounting styles. However, I wasn't 100% sold on it. Yes this keyboard sounds better with foam, but the no foam experience left me with an empty feeling. It wasn't bad, but I wasn't in love.
To note, I know people LOVE foam, I also love some foam in my builds, but it would be nice to have the option to not use some too. That is where my dislike of flex cuts come in. They really make it so you need to use foam or tape up the PCB (which has a particular sound to it). You start to lose some of the uniqueness of the keyboard and it just does nothing for me. Now, this is all preference and you have to understand this is my view point and there is a HUGE market for people who love foam and flex cuts. But it is my ideology that a properly made mounting system does more for flex than flex cuts any day.
Overall this is still a great bargain for what you get and the more I look at the keyboard, the more I love it visually.
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@alexotos Жыл бұрын
Im going to say this since it seems some people are not really grasping this. This is my opinion on the board. It seems a lot of people just want a show case with no commentary which I simply won't do. This isn't suppose to be some in depth break down of every config, this is my experience live streaming the board for the first time. I recommend Near Lucids videos for that on the QK80. On top of that, I really don't like seeing people resort to name calling and ignorant comments when it comes to differing opinions. I've personally stated so many times that I understand the points for and against things like flex cuts and foam. I for one defended foam when it was "trendy" to hate on it and I still do. I even stated during the live stream that I understand who flex cuts are for, they are just something i've grown tired of. But what a dull hobby this will be if we can't express our opinions or thoughts about something without being harassed by the other side. So please be civil and understand people will have differing views than you. It's a hobby based around preference and we are allowed to like and dislike things.
@hrolvnir Жыл бұрын
100%. and anyone arguing about this is part of the 1% who cares, so even if we disagree we're all in the same ultra-niche community built on personal preference and enjoyment.
@owerr66 Жыл бұрын
thanks for doing this. There are plenty of creators who make build videos with zero commentary, and everyone can choose to watch whoever. No ones forcing anyone to watch any video or follow a content creator in particular. The whole point is different people can offer different perspectives and opinions on a board. If everyone just said the same shit then we don't need 50 content creators making videos on the SAME BOARDS. If anything I feel this hobby have the opposite problem - most of the time content makers will just offer the same praises to every single board they build. Whats the point??? Please keep voicing your opinions. And for the people watching, no, you don't have to AGREE with it (shocking I know), I don't agree with everything I hear from reviewers either, but I much rather hear these different perspective than the endless "wow this is the greatest keyboard I've ever built" in every single f***ing keebs video.
@Keef_D Жыл бұрын
QK just added a non-flexcut PCB option! Should improve the sound A LOT
@BetterHalf1 Жыл бұрын
I have two keyboards, one with a ton of flex cuts and one completely without. I gotta say, the one with flex cuts is a lot more comfortable to type on, and my WPM is faster with it too. Sound wise, I definitely needed some foam to make it sound less thin, but I didn't mind the extra bit of work. I think it's tough for companies to gamble on a no flex cut pcb because everyone's sound preference is different. People who buy keyboards based on videos (which is 99% of us) may like how it sounds through a mic, but it is very different to actually hearing it in person. It's definitely better to leave the choice of customization open imho
@alexotos Жыл бұрын
I love reading things like this. It goes to show you everyones experiences are different and not every product is made for a single person. Im glad you enjoyed the softer typing experience of flex cuts! Also I agree, judging a keyboard over a video is always so tough.
@qwertykeys2119 Жыл бұрын
@@alexotos we'll drop a non-flex cut pcb this time!
@brocky Жыл бұрын
@@qwertykeys2119 you're the best QK!!!!!!!
@alexotos Жыл бұрын
@@qwertykeys2119 Oh hi!
@haihao2942 Жыл бұрын
agreed for board with flex cut you need to compensate it with some/minimal foam, i mean building no foam on flex cuts where you know the sound is leaking is practically doing something where you know the outcome is most probably bad
@DMCnME Жыл бұрын
Great content as always. This review just reaffirms that this hobby is all about preference. Alex is huge on Mode boards and critical of QK. I own both and in my experience, the Qk75 is on par, for half the price. I just think my idea of premium is different. To each, their own.
@user-xs8ff7gu5l Жыл бұрын
For an entry keyboard, it's almost perfect. wireless, easy to build, fine looking, tkl for most people, and the price is very attractive.
@gulag_sender2123 Жыл бұрын
Especially now that it offers a non flex pcb as a choice
@ChubiPanda Жыл бұрын
Fun to see an ISO build for once. I also didn't know the QK80 was available in ISO so that's good to know.
@prokopf-9332 Жыл бұрын
Qk65 qk75 and many others are available in iso or even have an iso and ansi multi layer pcbs
@ChubiPanda Жыл бұрын
@@prokopf-9332 I have a QK65 in ISO. Its probably my favorite keeb I own. Literally my only complaint is that it's not a TKL. Obviously not an issue with the QK80
@prokopf-9332 Жыл бұрын
@@ChubiPanda Its funny, i came into the hobby for 75% and 65%, as TKL for me had unncesary buttons and wasted space. Now i feel like that still, but i think TKL looks really nice. The free space above the arrow just gives it a clear identity. Visually speaking its above 75% for me.
@heavenlyflowerdemon Жыл бұрын
if the board itself is made w flex cuts in mind, its good but most of the time its not, its just slapped on.
@offbrandDavid Жыл бұрын
The first video where I’m in chat! This was a fun build
@PWzhouster Жыл бұрын
Like you said, Qwertykeys has talked about using PCBs without any flex cuts at all due to demand, but ultimately decided to stay with them as users have the option to close them with tape as opposed to...adding cuts. I don't blame them for trying to trying to appeal to the most customers and at this price-point that is the goal - make it as accessible as possible and tunable for the mass populace. If it were a top class board meant to appeal to the premium sector (say a price of $300+?), then we would have much higher expectations on out-of-the-box sound & feel (especially no-foam sound). I think this board is visually awesome, but the sound is pretty much what you expect from this price. It's fine, not great, not bad. With modding it can even sound "good". And if you particularly enjoy the marble sound that QK/Owlabs is famous for, then this will surely deliver that experience as well.
@geonatikon9987 Жыл бұрын
In my experience flex cuts can kill boards but on some boards its also the thing that makes them great. Boards like the suit and the jelly by owllabs are still rly nice without foam. Have my suit currently with just bottom foam for esd prot and sounds great
@gulag_sender2123 Жыл бұрын
Yea that’s because those boards were designed around it though, most boards now a day just implement them for no reason at all
@geonatikon9987 Жыл бұрын
@@gulag_sender2123 thats why Im saying that if a boards knows it has the cuts its still good and has more benefits than negatives
@p0keyy Жыл бұрын
Damn the badge and overall design of the keyboard kinda makes me prefer this over the qk75 but my shipping label for created yesterday so can't wait for that to come! Thanks for the coverage as usual!
@purplechimkin3404 Жыл бұрын
I could care less? Why don't you care less, then? It should be "I couldn't care less if you want to show disinterest, right? I'm sorry, English is my second language and I'm still learning every day- great video though. Love the aesthetic:)
@wolf-xf6hf Жыл бұрын
My opinion on the whole flex cut not flex cut debate is that I understand both sides but overall it’s not that big a deal. Especially when the Qk80 comes with options of non flex cut or flex cut PCBs. So I’ve already got a nice custom that I like and I got the Qk80 for my mom to use at work to be easier on her hands and wrist vs the shitty membrane she uses. The flex cuts to the PCB really aid in the endeavor because it leads to that softer typing feel even when using a case foam which she definitely needs to use because she works in an office and on calls. The flex cuts really allow me to build it with every foam including a case foam and still get really good flex performance to help her hands. It’s not for everyone but special use cases like this especially for people outside of the hobby that are buying for specific purposes really can get a lot out of the variety.
@qwertykeys2119 Жыл бұрын
it's preference/needs driven - yet most people think theirs fav are the only correct one.... tyvm for supporting us
@albertko1 Жыл бұрын
I'm still on the anti-flex cut gang... sure you can tape the flex cuts but I definitely with Alex's opinion that a good mounting system can add plenty of flex. But at this price range, I still don't mind doing some mods to get it to sound the way I want. If you were paying twice this amount, I would expect a whole lot less work to get it to sound good.
@snakeplissken5969 Жыл бұрын
He could have also used plate foam which helps QK boards a lot when it comes to sound
@iminsideyourwalls-md3xw Жыл бұрын
Im copying this build ngl. It also comes with a coiled cable, right?
@ChrisJames024 9 ай бұрын
I love flex cuts and I totally understand what they're saying you can tape up flex if you don't want as much flex, but I can't cut flex cuts in to my PCB
@LittleChortle Жыл бұрын
I think the flex cuts are more appealing to those more new to the KB hobby since REALLY budget boards from brands like CIY or Gamakay don't typically have those. The value you get for any of the QK boards is really insane, and it gives beginners a chance to see if they like the flex cuts or if they don't, in which case they'll learn how to counteract that for this kit and hone their preferences for future builds.
@placeholder3863 Жыл бұрын
raise the price and they start to disappear again
@hatefulconduct Жыл бұрын
I'm a foam keyboard enjoyer but I don't like foam as an excuse to make a mid keyboard. I don't understand why folks are so passionate about defending this series of keyboards-- If you like it, great. Just understand this is not what most people are looking for when looking for an enthusiast keyboard.
@chrom1est Жыл бұрын
Changed my akko mod007 for tiger80 and now i wont go for a keeb without flex cuts (ik that tiger's gasket mount is way better but still). Cuts might feel too flexy if you dont put mid-plate foam and tape, but with both of these applied you get awesome typing feel without losing sound quality. Not sure about per-key flex cuts but it seems like you just dont feel your pcb bending over with one hand while pressing a key with another one which happens if you press too hard on common flex pcb
@SkyUnderscore Жыл бұрын
his prefrences dont have to do with feel, they have to do with sound, you can hear in the sound test that the flex cuts make it sound thin and weak
@chrom1est Жыл бұрын
@@SkyUnderscore comment wasnt for arguing about his opinion, it was just sharing opinions which he said about in the video. However if talking about sound - he did alu plate + alu case with 1.2 flex cut pcb and put no foam - what else did he expect? Its like if you picked worst combo ever for ur frankenswitch and then start complaining about how bad it is, blaming companies for making switches wrong way. Or if you look into ur fridge and out of all the food you see - you get pizza with milk or another example - when you cook something without salt
@SkyUnderscore Жыл бұрын
@@chrom1est I didn’t mean to come off that way, I was just stating what he said the day after he uploaded it on stream
@flyingwhales1991 Жыл бұрын
I'm glad to know theyre offering non-flex cut pcb's. It's not 1.6mm but its a start. For you QK discord people in this comment section: the criticism isn't to bash on the board or the company. It's to make it better so it reaches a wider audience by having a non-flex cut pcb as an option. I already own a qk65, so the qk80 or the other iterations weren't on my mind because they all sounded the same with the same flex cut pcb. Now it's more interesting. Ya'll were making fun of the complaining, but the result is what was needed. You get to keep your flex cuts after all that's said and done
@froggy5851 Жыл бұрын
Hey would you reccommend the envoy over the qk80? great vid btw
@lelandprice4753 Жыл бұрын
yes
@haihao2942 Жыл бұрын
if you don't love foam, yes.. if you like foam, doesnt matter, guess both sounds good with foam(whether there was PE/not)... difference on layout tho, if you need Frows i won't suggest you using Envoy
@anguis4343 Жыл бұрын
well i honestly think that this keeb is more made for the looks as opposed to for the sound, as iots hoenstly really hard to get a good sounding keeb without foam at that price point
@snakeplissken5969 Жыл бұрын
I also think using alu plate with no plate foam was a big mistake. History has shown that QK boards are good with plate foam and in some ways need it to compensate for the flex cuts
@offbrandbiscuit Жыл бұрын
Bro the Envoy and Bakeneko exist and they sound good (latter is a little rough around the edges but nothing a little polyfill can't fix)
@haihao2942 Жыл бұрын
@@offbrandbiscuit envoy uses no flex cut and thicker pcb, hence why the comment above suggest minimal foam (at least a plate/ plate+case) to help the thin-ness of the sound. What's with the allergy of using minimal foam..
@offbrandbiscuit Жыл бұрын
@@haihao2942 try going back and reading. Was just responding to "it's hard to get a keyboard that sounds good without foam at that price" when the Envoy and Bakeneko are still great options. If you wanna use foam that's your prerogative but designers really should make sure their board sounds good without foam before including a number of foams in the kit for the customer to play around with
@haihao2942 Жыл бұрын
@@offbrandbiscuit in this case of an argument i'll take example of flexcuts.. i think designer can have tradeoff between flex(not bounce) and the board sound. As Keyboard hobby doesnt necessarily mean only good sound, there's so much aspect such as typing exp and finish, material etc that some ppl tend to not pay special attention(compared to sound).. If the designer decided to use flex cut to improve the board flex and typing exp and having that kind of trade off.. then it's fine. Sound is not all there is to a board. So basically it's just a market option and preference which designer product did you support. You can look for board that have no flex cut e.g envoy/sonnet etc, or you can find a board that using flexcuts and foam, or you don't even care about sound you just want something that looks good and with perfect finishing etc
@brownronin Жыл бұрын
Fully anti-flex gang. With new mounting methods offering sufficient flex, there's no need to swiss cheese the pcb
@nickthaskater Жыл бұрын
Mounting methods don't allow flex in the board, only compression. A board with flex cuts is, if done well, super comfortable to type on and very different from a "rigid" PCB with simply a flexible mounting style.
@nickthaskater Жыл бұрын
@@AnaerobicFermentation calm down... you don't get the "zones" of flex with a solid PCB that you do with flex cuts. It's inconsistent with more rigidity on the mods and outer alphas, "caving" in the middle. Flex cuts make for a much more consistent experience.
@nickthaskater Жыл бұрын
@@AnaerobicFermentation try not being so aggressive when attempting to converse with someone. Have a great day!
@lukebaldwin2584 Жыл бұрын
Hey Alex! Do you know when the sale goes live?
@qwertykeys2119 Жыл бұрын
mid march!
@dennan4 Жыл бұрын
How big of a difference is there between something like this and the Akuma TKL (which I just watched your video on) in your opinion?
@AchilliesVl Жыл бұрын
Is the black ice crystal weight just different texture? But the same material as the sand blasted black weight?
@NihilakhOxide Жыл бұрын
Alex, the big q is this, or tiger 80? I been eyeing up the polycarbonate tiger 80 for ages, the only thing that stopped me was knowing this would be coming out
@deracine9466 Жыл бұрын
I own the Tiger 80, well, lite. For the aesthetics alone, I'd pick the QK80. Typing feel of Tiger 80 feels too soft for me although I don't mind it that much. QK80 is also wireless so there's that
@TheBjjninja Жыл бұрын
It's probably a tough call. I prefer the typing angle on the zoom TKL
@hrolvnir Жыл бұрын
QK is offering a non-flex version of the PCB also
@gulag_sender2123 Жыл бұрын
Poggers
@alexotos Жыл бұрын
Yeah they announced this recently!
@hrolvnir Жыл бұрын
@@alexotos in part due to your (constructive) criticism so thank you for that and props to them for listening
@alexotos Жыл бұрын
@@hrolvnir I hope my take was constructive, i'm being bombarded with comments like it was some sort of attack on something.
@hrolvnir Жыл бұрын
@@alexotos your take was critical, but honest. people forget that influencers are allowed to have personal opinions. and FWIW (judging by discord), sounds like QK is rush shipping a non-flex PCB to you ASAP
@AnaerobicFermentation Жыл бұрын
Lets be completely honest and stop beating around the bush. 99% of people in the hobby who care about foam and flex cuts are noobs. They come from normal keyboards and see things being added and automatically think it must be good while literally not having a single clue as to why it might be good. I was the same way when I entered the hobby. Then you try more stuff and see every foam board sounds the same and flex cuts literally do nothing at all 99% of the time. The noobs don't actually know this because they have no experience with lots of different boards and they get defensive because they need to justify their purchase and not feel like they bought into snake oil
@DMCnME Жыл бұрын
The number is probably a little lower than 99%. I’m far from a noob and have always loved top mount boards with no foam. My Mode boards are a good example. But I’m a first time QK buyer and I appreciate the change of having a bouncier build with that marbly sound … that is so trendy to hate on these days. I don’t buy into any of the hype train, regardless of what it is. I try different things and use what I like 😀
@DarkTheHunter Жыл бұрын
You complained for the flex cuts in a board that comes with a non flex cut option :/
@alexotos Жыл бұрын
The flexcut option came after i complained :)
@DarkTheHunter Жыл бұрын
@@alexotos have you tried it with the new pcb?
@dcsoda1 Жыл бұрын
The flex cut complaining is now beyond the actual problems with flex cuts such as they are. I think it's officially overblown now haha.
@snakeplissken5969 Жыл бұрын
Totally agree. Alex already went through this same phase with plate/case foam and eventually PE foam. He seems to want all keyboards to sound good with a metal case and a PCB, which isn't realistic. Especially because not everyone likes the same sound/feel, so different keyboards appeal to different audiences
@justinfournier2521 Жыл бұрын
For real mate, I'm so tired of it ... I'm starting to want to unsub to some keebtuber and honestly it's starting to add alot of negativity in the IC's for new keebs. (And in general in the hobby which I dislike)
@brocky Жыл бұрын
It's worse than the complaints itself. Flex cuts legit doesn't do what the designers wanted it to do.
@alexotos Жыл бұрын
I still like PE foam on some boards and case foam, as I state MANY times. Flex cuts work as some relief to a stiffer typing experience, but practically only work with no foams in a case. The trade off is sound, which is ALL preference. I still hold my stance on a BETTER solution is a good mounting system that provides the needed flex and have foams and pe films as options. We have seen that with a lot of boards and typically those are the ones I like.
@CosmicBananaTCG Жыл бұрын
Agreed better mounting is definitely the way but flex cuts don't automatically mean it sounds bad.
@yanec2501 Жыл бұрын
Man. Every time I hear about a QK release I just wish for them to have a good foamless sound but I'm always disappointed. I just want a cheap keyboard that looks this good and has a decent or good sound with no foam. The only reason I would buy this keyboard is to build a cheap silent keyboard since it comes with all the foam you need.
@haihao2942 Жыл бұрын
just buy envoy, if it's not for you, it;s not for you... i still think that most board, if not using foam... sounds thin (not necessarily thin but still not loud enough), plasticky and rattling, it's pain that you'd need long pole to help the board to achieve louder sound that changing your typing experience.. i'd still much prefer using foam if it helps the sound to be louder
@Pearanoid Жыл бұрын
Yeah it’s not really realistic to expect good foamless sound, at least not right now, and there are some good boards foamless, but they’re a bit pricier. Imo very unrealistic to expect that from a budget board.
@hsm6996 Жыл бұрын
i sold my qk65, zoom65 because the flex cut and thin pcb makes it sounded very thin if not using foam, and now im settle with the bakaneko 60
@yanec2501 Жыл бұрын
@@Pearanoid It's not hard to make a foamless board that sounds good. Have a 1.6 pcb, no flex cuts and a dense case. They could simply remove the flex cuts and have a board that would appeal to more people.
@Pearanoid Жыл бұрын
@@yanec2501 Why do you dislike foam so much? I can understand people getting upset when someone uses all foams or pe foam and such, because they drastically change the sound, and boards using lots of foam/pe foam tend to sound similar, but imo there’s nothing wrong with using it. Especially in boards that are more budget-oriented, so is it because you care about flex a lot and foam takes away from that?
@_knycks Жыл бұрын
Why not just use the foam? This company is known for their marbly foam sound?
@gerryramosftw Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the honest review Alex
@alexotos Жыл бұрын
Any time!
@isaacb999_ Жыл бұрын
the switch/sound sounds a little bit dry/underlubed to me idk if that just the mic or im just weird ( mostly just on the first sound test)
@gulag_sender2123 Жыл бұрын
It’s the board lol the flex cuts thinned out the sound to much
@chriszhao3754 Жыл бұрын
This entry 80 keyboard is good choice for a beginer
@siegekeebs Жыл бұрын
If QK80 is anything like QK75, it's by far the most secure plateless hotswap experience out there. It's shockingly good! I've tried on a bunch of boards, and my experience is always "feasible but not recommended". QK75 I genuinely will recommend hotswap plateless, although you are still limited by switch selection a bit, outemu won't work and it must be 5 pin.
@TheBjjninja Жыл бұрын
Would you prefer this or zoom tkl?
@hatefulconduct Жыл бұрын
You cut out the rage lol
@alexotos Жыл бұрын
LOL yeah i did
@herymoel6922 Жыл бұрын
is the color of this case gray or silver?
@cphungdhdl 7 ай бұрын
What keyboard is the best QK so far ?
@bosenngantor9160 5 ай бұрын
I'd say qk75N, or qk65 v2 which still in gb production...if you count neo (as qk sub-brand), then neo80 absolutely nailed for the price
@henryhorganproductions Жыл бұрын
What brand and model are your earbuds?
@kyu_273 Жыл бұрын
qk80 vs tiger 80 lite?
@mle8603 Жыл бұрын
What's the 65 board that shows up at the end of the video?
@kenguru_kbd Жыл бұрын
Envoy
@xuroytan2998 Жыл бұрын
alex have any board recommend at around $250
@ifteykharulislam Жыл бұрын
It's my dream keyboard 🥹🥹🥹🥹
@tylerharris1085 Жыл бұрын
What bothers me the most is that they are offering multiple pcb options and yet not a 1.6mm without flexcuts. Either way, pretty nice for the price
@ZZZZZZ-vz6fk Жыл бұрын
The fact that budget designers choose to chase trends rather than just making boards that sound and feel good is very frustrating, but I guess that's how you get chumps to buy your product.
@okamisamakun Жыл бұрын
Just say the board isn't for you and move on lmao.
@dcsoda1 Жыл бұрын
@@okamisamakun No kidding, seen this board sound incredible on plenty of videos. Maybe not for everyone but not a bad board by any stretch.
@qwertykeys2119 Жыл бұрын
uh what trends?
@gulag_sender2123 Жыл бұрын
@@dcsoda1 yea but not a single reviewer even the one with the good sound test all mentioned the same thing that the board is a little thin and hollow
@robr640 Жыл бұрын
No foam gang! jk, jk We all like what we like.
@bigeric201 Жыл бұрын
they call it a London fog because all the rats are coughing at the same time.
@Draw3524 Жыл бұрын
I'd have to hard disagree with QK on the flexcut. Taping a flexcut PCB is not the same as a solid PCB.
@qwertykeys2119 Жыл бұрын
we do have a non-flexcut pcb :)
@Draw3524 Жыл бұрын
@@qwertykeys2119 dope! Glad to hear y'all are offering it! Do love a flex-cut PCB now and then, but super happy to snag a non-flexcut one here
@user-kz9rz8ui1c Жыл бұрын
Would you recommend this or the zoom tkl? I have a zoom tkl right now and I am trying to decide whether to sell it for this board or not.
@bosenngantor9160 Жыл бұрын
I think you should decide when you held both in hands because the small details may also be the deciding factor, zoom tkl is also nice for the price
@user-kz9rz8ui1c Жыл бұрын
@@bosenngantor9160 it simply wouldnt be possible to have both in my hands at the given moment. Alex has had both so I'm interested to hear his opinion on the topic.
@universederp4782 Жыл бұрын
looking for some smooth light liners around 50 - 55g any sugestions?
@georgecoburn2458 Жыл бұрын
Gat Pro Yellow 2. Great factory lubed.
@YellowNotThe Жыл бұрын
iso enter and ansi left shift 🙏
@steen275 Жыл бұрын
Best layout
@ImJustStandingHere Жыл бұрын
Flex cuts make me cry
@bosenngantor9160 Жыл бұрын
honestly it's sounds bad on stock condition...the flex cut pcb mainly, kills it. definitely needs mods and fine tuning, of course most of us in the hobby knew what's needed to improve the sound by ourself, but for somebody think they'd get nice sound right out of the box and do nothing outside the build, this isn't it. But dang it looks pretty, and that price is honestly a steal
@snakeplissken5969 Жыл бұрын
He definitely should have used the plate foam, kind of did the board a disservice by trying to go with alu plate no foams when the pcb and plate both have flex cuts. Most people that this appeals to would probably build it with all foams first.
@bosenngantor9160 Жыл бұрын
@@snakeplissken5969 but thing is...any board with full foams will sounds nice. I think the trend nowadays is trying to use less and less foam, because more people now seems to prefer clack/ bright sounds. I know owlabs is known for their foam tho so it's kinda not surprising this one needs it to sounds nice, my QK65 is also definitely needs it, I'm not confident enough to use it without foam in it.
@haihao2942 Жыл бұрын
yeah trend come and goes, but i mean does it hurt to even use only case/plate foam? without pe foam i think it's still fine.. people really love to go to one extreme either all foam or no foam at all. i for one still hate no foam experience the sound is thin i can't hear nothing when i work and used a headset/headphone.. people used to go far by modding the hell out of their board putting polyfill, silicone layer/mould into the board now there's no customization/mod. practically you go with no foam, and just mod your gasket config and that's it
@bosenngantor9160 Жыл бұрын
@@haihao2942 that's it, If the board sounds bad with no foam, for me that's bad case design. I'm not using any foam on my Tomo and Sonnet. And well, it's not hurt to use a foam, yes...but once you started to use it, you'll almost always realize "ohh my boards sounds all the same now", what's bad about adding foam is it's negate any advantage using various switch on the market, reduce any switch potential. With the foam, you can go mr suit with some cheap-ass outemu switch and it's still sounds "holy marbly, thoccky, etc." Again it's not bad using the foam when it's all about preference, but there's a clear reason for ppl not using it, I'm tired with muted and thocc sounds tho, my god it's everywhere for me now that's not what I looking for in my board.
@supreme4234 Жыл бұрын
Hello Alex
@keagan5379 Жыл бұрын
Flex cuts are haram
@dom2681 Жыл бұрын
sounds alright
@Vinnyy_zip Жыл бұрын
I wish these makers tried to make a well sound designed board, instead of going with whats trending. Pe foam, foam, flex cuts, tape mods, force break, mid plate foam needs to go. Well designed boards dont need this, and should take the time to design something good. All the top tier boards have none of this.
@haihao2942 Жыл бұрын
What you want is high pitched-clacky board out of the box, there's still ppl who prefer deeper sounding/pe foam signature sound. then how will you satisfy these kind of markets?
@vectivuz1858 Жыл бұрын
These boards are purposely designed to be used with foam. Is it bad? It depends on your preference. The market demands creamy deep sounding keyboards since so many are new to the hobby. Nothing which is not inherently bad needs to go. (E.g. people preferring the inclusion of PE foam, tape mod etc.). What you should be demanding is diversity in design.
@haihao2942 Жыл бұрын
@@vectivuz1858 exactly... there's some people that even complaint the usage of llate & case foam (not necessarily PE)
@mostsaneperson Жыл бұрын
hi alex :D
@Hahnck750i Жыл бұрын
if you don't want the tape mod sound then u will need to spend a bit of time cutting small tapes just to cover the flex cut holes and not tape over the switch socket. if you had tested the keyboard foamless on the felt keebmat. it will sound really bad. If they say that it is to give people option to mod, why give the option for the keyboard to sound bad. i'd call copium. they probably already have all the PCB designed way before hand in the pipeline and slowly rolling them out and they can't back off with the flex cut pcb now as they are already been designed and do not want to re-design them
@Chozo_Ghost Жыл бұрын
I guess it's a good thing that "good" and "bad" are always subjective; some people may like how the "bad-sounding" option sounds more than the "good-sounding" one.
@Hahnck750i Жыл бұрын
@@Chozo_Ghost that's true
@ikono. Жыл бұрын
mid w/o foam tbh
@ojgimpson Жыл бұрын
They should just sell both types of PCBs :(
@qwertykeys2119 Жыл бұрын
on it
@aesric Жыл бұрын
QK is overhyped
@drewfisher4413 Жыл бұрын
I ordered a QK75 and it still hasn't got to me. How about stop working on a new keyboard and focus on getting ur early rendition of it shipped. For legal reasons that it a joke. Don't sue me:)
@AppleiPhone17 Жыл бұрын
Owlabs/Qk pcbs are so badly designed. They don’t know what they’re doing. They just add more flex cuts for no reasons. I’m sure their next board will just be mainly flex cuts.. maybe every single possible cut in pcb before it breaks
@Ryelai Жыл бұрын
Dumb take on flex cuts Alex
@alexotos Жыл бұрын
It's all preference. I am personally just tired of them on every single board. They just don't add anything to me. Flex cuts work as some relief to a stiffer typing experience, but seem to only work with no foams in a case. The trade off is sound, which is ALL preference. A better more flexy mounting system seems to be the best solution while giving people tons of options on how to make the board sound.
@gulag_sender2123 Жыл бұрын
Nothings really a dumb take, alex is right unless the board is built around it, it doesn’t really contribute anything at all
@AppleiPhone17 Жыл бұрын
You’re a dumb take. Literally other streamers who reviewed said the same thing with flex cut and this board. They taped it and said the same thing
@grimsan46 Жыл бұрын
ooOooOoo
@AIdricBenjie Жыл бұрын
why don't u actually try to change the sound profile once in a while instead of sticking to this awful dull high pitched hollow clack
@AlphaTenkai Жыл бұрын
Just for reference Whats a board/sound that you do enjoy?
@AIdricBenjie Жыл бұрын
@@AlphaTenkai deeper less hollow clack
@AlphaTenkai Жыл бұрын
@@AIdricBenjie Can you name a board? Or even just a switch? Deeper has several different meanings so an actual example would be great
@AIdricBenjie Жыл бұрын
@@AlphaTenkai alright like a qk65 with case foam, plate foam and maybe a layer of tape mod. With something like akko cream yellows v3
@alexotos Жыл бұрын
That sound profile realistically can be achieved on any board with those mods. I'm not saying its a bad thing and i think it's wonderful youve found something you like, but it's not exactly indicative of a diverse keyboard
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