The Question! What should I buy, A CS2 or a 170R?

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NOTE: I made a mistake in there. I added the text about the wireless body/frame connection, but I mista had the 160 on the brain. Not only does the 170r also have a wireless connection, it shared the light pipe eye design with the CS2. ANOTHER reason to go with the 170R!
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People ask this question daily: is a CS2 worth the extra money over a 170R? Well, by popular demand (no, really) I'm here today to answer The Question!
Really, they're both fantastic markers, but let's find out if/when/why you might want one over another? While we're at it, we're gonna take a look at the whole Gtek line, because they're all worth looking at for sure.
Thanks for watching!

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@MrMalicious5 3 жыл бұрын

When I close my eyes, John Goodman is educating me on the Gamma Cores.

@DarkRendition 3 жыл бұрын

Hah

@addxgordophillips9941 2 жыл бұрын

Facts

@freddukepoo3359 2 жыл бұрын

I was looking to get the cs2 pro and I saw this video and I got the 170r. With the price difference I bought the HK Lazr barrel kit a Ninja pro v2 slp tank and a IR2 hopper and still saved around $200… more money for paint.

@sirrickthe2nd583 3 жыл бұрын

This is becoming my favorite paintball channel. Good honest reviews, the majority of other reviews are sales pitches. Always very informative, keep up the great work.

@airtimepaintball463 3 жыл бұрын

Hey there! Thanks so much for watching, I greatly appreciate the support! I made some mistakes in this one, but I promise everyone that I will redouble my efforts to improve with every video.

@sirrickthe2nd583 3 жыл бұрын

@@airtimepaintball463 awesome, can't be right about everything. Could you review the Powerhouse HAYMKR regulator gen 3, if you haven't already?

@Smokefools6691 2 жыл бұрын

@@airtimepaintball463 You're videos have only gotten better with time. I love watching videos

@kylebedford8731 3 жыл бұрын

Love your vids, keep them coming!

@Smokefools6691 2 жыл бұрын

I love my OG Gtek with the mech frame. Great videos as always! Keep up the good work!

@uncannyrecovery3980 Жыл бұрын

New sub. I appreciate the in depth honesty of the comparisons. Just to the point and not upselling anything. Awesome vid

@michaelpaterno4364 3 жыл бұрын

This was a Great video!! I just got a 170r and my son has one. I was always wondering what the difference was between all these (price points, actual difference in features and mechanics) and this was the most real, plain talk without mixing words or sales pitches about the guns. Thank you for making this video!! It even got me comfortable about buying a used Gtek as a backup without worrying if the gun is so inferior in performance due to its age - as well as the price I should look for for one. Thank you!

@Bluegoespewpewpew 3 жыл бұрын

Love these videos! You've been making some great reviews. Keep them coming!

@airtimepaintball463 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

@CSULA21 3 жыл бұрын

I converted my GTEK into a GMEK and I love it! Prefer using it more over my EMEK & M170R! Love the slide trigger! I've yet to chop paint with the GTEK, whereas I chop at least once every time I use my EMEK or M170R. Also, you forgot to mention the POPS ASA for the GTEK & 160R (which came stock on the Stealth). And, the eye system for the 170R is different from the GTEK & 160R, but very similar to the CS2. 100% agree with you on the CS2's screen! It is very old-school; reminds me of old calculators! I think they should go the route of the Dye M3+ screen. PE finally released the Mech frame for the CS2.

@airtimepaintball463 3 жыл бұрын

Hey there! Man, you are 100% correct about everything you said there...I'm actually going to put up an update video. I have no idea where that bran fart came from on the 170R with the wireless body connection and light pipe eye system. The worst part is that not only do I know that, I literally stripped a 170R down to send for ano immediately before I taped this video. I'm old, take it easy with me! :)

@AlexTakos 3 жыл бұрын

Great video, as always. Both the 170 and CS2 have a wireless body connection, and both share the "light pipe" (or whatever they're called) eye system.

@airtimepaintball463 3 жыл бұрын

Ya after I posted it and watched I realized that I confused the 160r and 170r when I added that...but you can't edit in that way once they're posted. I'll add a comment for sure.

@LoveMyMagMoreThanYou 3 жыл бұрын

You also didn't mention that one additional difference between the 160r and 170r is the battery placement. Replacing the battery on the 170r is much easier and reduces the reasons why you will have to remove the grips.

@LotusPaintball 2 жыл бұрын

Love the channel and this video. The GTek line is my favorite line of markers ever made, and the original GTek is by far my favorite because of the price to performance. Just a few quality of life upgrades that can be had for cheap, and it's perfect for me. I bought a $6 feedneck thumb screw (same screw part from the 160r), the OLED screen, and the mech frame and I can do anything. Hell, I bought a second GTek as well, and for less than the price of a single 170r I have two GTeks: one mech one electro. If I were to play tournaments again, I could swap back and have an exact backup. Having come from earlier PE highends (Ego 7 and Geo 2 were my old and trusted markers), I really don't see the benefit of spending more when macroline never bothered me.

@xziodide 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for this video!

@EastDistrictWill Жыл бұрын

Subscribed cause the video, good stuff man

@felipecastaneda2093 3 жыл бұрын

Really good feedback.

@jcat719 3 жыл бұрын

In pictures I confused the 170 and cs2 for ages. I bought the cs2 pro brand new because I like owning the flagship haha but I would totally buy a 170r just to have it for fun

@nichepaintball5032 2 жыл бұрын

A trackball? WOW I haven't seen those in years, I didn't even know anyone still used them. Talk about old school show.

@FloridaBikeVlogger 3 жыл бұрын

really like the 170r.. might try and sell my amp

@CSULA21 3 жыл бұрын

No brainer; DO IT!

@TradingJuice 3 жыл бұрын

I have both, and the only difference I can tell when shooting one this week and the other the next, is the front grip on 170 suits me more ( twice the size of the amp )

@Jayhimselff 2 жыл бұрын

@@TradingJuice a little late to your comment but I’m debating buying an amp or a 170R I have no clue which one. They are both around the same price. Which one do you think shoots better

@VanquishMediaDE 3 жыл бұрын

I have a Luxe Ice as my main and 170R as my backup.

@ricardolazo1565 3 жыл бұрын

For pure performance, you should put the Etha 2 in the mix, an the Emek as a mech gun.

@airtimepaintball463 3 жыл бұрын

For pure performance I should add every gun made after 2013 or so :) But seriously, I don't know why anyone buys an Etha 2 when these options exist, especially on the used market for such short money. Macro line or no, I'd buy an OLED Gtek over an Etha 2 6 days a week and twice on Sunday.

@ricardolazo1565 3 жыл бұрын

@@airtimepaintball463 All after 2013 😅, I meant that the etha 2 and the emek share the gamacore, you have a point, gtek over etha, but for mech game, the emek is the best option for its value.

@Sethnewport 3 жыл бұрын

@@airtimepaintball463 Said this a million times on the reddit forums. Why get an Etha 2 when an OG GTEK is within $20.00 of the price? The Etha 2 is a great marker, but it's biggest flaw is the availability of the GTEK on the used market.

@Smokefools6691 2 жыл бұрын

@@airtimepaintball463 and you can get the mech frame for the OG Gtek to have 2 markers in one

@gregs6403 2 жыл бұрын

One difference not mentioned here is that the original Gtek does not have a wireless frame-to-body connection. It’s kind of a pain to feed the eye wires through from the main body into the grip frame when you have to do a full disassemble. Not a dealbreaker, but something to consider. I’m pretty sure they switched to the wireless connection starting with a 170 R but it could be the 160.

@minihoog9327 3 жыл бұрын

8:14: The G.I Stealth also comes with a POPs ASA, a low rise feed neck, a Blade trigger, and 3 barrel backs as upgrades. The Stealth also came with one of Exalt's gun bags as a replacement for the Eclipse hard case, which is more of a side grade. The 160r comes with a scythe trigger like the original Gtek, not a blade. But, essentially, the guns are the same. G.I did the private label to make their Imperial Program more attractive than getting an Axe or a Vanquish, (which are still great markers) without the work of designing an entirely new marker.

@airtimepaintball463 3 жыл бұрын

I mentioned the barrel backs, but forgor about the feed neck and pops, so thanks for that! I don't agree that the trigger is an upgrade though...just different. I greatly appreciate your watching and the feedback!

@minihoog9327 3 жыл бұрын

@@airtimepaintball463 Yeah it's all preference. Should have phrased it as just something that's different.

@bazookaboy2377 3 жыл бұрын

Lack of knowledge he also thinks the original comes with a blade trigger when it actually has a scythe

@airtimepaintball463 3 жыл бұрын

@@bazookaboy2377 lack of reading. The reply above already covered that. Not that it matters. Nobody is making a buying decision based on which trigger a gun comes with...but it is certainly a difference.

@loganlapace4936 Жыл бұрын

A TURD! Love this guy

@Mx4_1972 2 жыл бұрын

Hi, very good blogs/reviews. Do you have any for sale?

@jamesboxold9671 3 жыл бұрын

Great informative video, I wish you would have included the etha 2

@airtimepaintball463 3 жыл бұрын

The Etha 2 is a great gun, but it's not a Gtek and nobody ever asks 'should I buy an Etha 2 or a CS2.'

@jamesboxold9671 3 жыл бұрын

@@airtimepaintball463 you see it all the time etha 2 vs 170r, they have the exact same gama core

@airtimepaintball463 3 жыл бұрын

@@jamesboxold9671 that isn't what I said. The point of the video is 'is a CS2 worth the extra money it costs.' Nobody is deciding between an Etha2 and a CS2.

@jamesboxold9671 3 жыл бұрын

@@airtimepaintball463 ok

@CreepinCreeper01 2 жыл бұрын

Ok but is the 170r worth the almost twice as much as the etha2?

@ravenstylea2 Жыл бұрын

Now that the new CS3 is out, I hope PE releases the Gamma Core Pro from the CS2 to purchase in the 170R

@atracin 3 жыл бұрын

I spy with my little eye a LVL M3+ 👀

@airtimepaintball463 3 жыл бұрын

Wow really? All you can see is the ASA! (it is a LVL M3+ :) )

@atracin 3 жыл бұрын

@@airtimepaintball463 Got to see Billy Wing tech one of their guns on Dye's FB livestream. Gorgeous marker, would have bought one from them if I had cash at the time. Maybe at the end of next season! You better be reviewing it ;) I love my M3+, probably their best marker since the DM9/DM10 imo

@airtimepaintball463 3 жыл бұрын

I love that marker...is one of my favorites ever, and I was lucky to get this one in really nice shape.

@williamduckworth305 3 жыл бұрын

Do you do a vid on 170r vs geo 4...?

@SavedByBlood87 3 жыл бұрын

you should do a markers over a 1000 comparison video. or maybe you have before.

@reedwetzel1324 3 жыл бұрын

Honestly , good video ,I own cs2 pro and love the grips and efficiency of the cs2 pro, and since I own virtue 4 and the blutooth pairing Is neatThat said, I own a m170r and I love that marker for scenario games , but I doubt I will buy the cs2 mech frame when it comes out, I just cannot justify that cost since I own a m170r and it only gets used 4 to 5 times a year at most.

@airtimepaintball463 3 жыл бұрын

I've got a CS2 mech frame on the way right now...look for a video to help you decide!

@richardm68 Жыл бұрын

How comes you've stopped streaming ! ? I loved your shows ! Such a shame .

@benjaminkitchen7562 3 жыл бұрын

do you happen to have one of the stock 's' shaped trigger shoes that came on the Gtek 160r you would be willing to part with? I am looking everywhere for one to put on my 170 but they were never sold separately, except as a spare part by PE.

@airtimepaintball463 2 жыл бұрын

I do not, sorry

@CreepinCreeper01 2 жыл бұрын

I played from 03-07 and want to get back in the sport. Obviously markers have come a long way and PE is a no brainer. I am about 75% dead set on a new etha 2. The trek although cheaper doesn't seem much better. Its 2022 and I don't wanna be the only person with macroline. Also only the body is aluminum which the etha 2 is underneath. Price is a major concern but whatever I get will probably be wit me for many years. I like the prices of these guns used but now a new 170r is 900 and the etha2 I 480. Is having an older marker really going to be that big of a deal in years to come? My biggest concern about the etha is the flashbacks to the sp ion it gives me, the last and only marker I bought new that basically ruined paintball for me. So idk, etha2 or cs1? I wish the still made the etek5 I would get that in a heart beat. Never loved spools, always been a poppit fan.

@airtimepaintball463 2 жыл бұрын

I assume you're referring to the original Gtek re: the macro line. In any case, here is my take. Honestly I don't understand why anyone buys an Etha 2 when you can buy a used Gtek for less money. Yes, it has a Macro line...who cares? But...there's good news for you! In recent times, the Gtek 160R, which has the AT pipe just like the current LV1.6, is readily available used for less than the cost of an Etha 2 new. The Gtek 160R comes with the OLED screen, the awesome Gamma core, and 100% aluminum construction. Find yourself one of those, and it will serve you well for many years!

@jackallred8228 3 жыл бұрын

I honestly just stick with old eclipse high ends instead of their mid range markers: better triggers with more adjustability and they have better oled boards. Just sayin and old eclipse high ends hold value well and you can still get em for a reasonable place

@airtimepaintball463 3 жыл бұрын

I don't agree that the boards are better; the Gtek board is the best one in any PE marker imo. It's way brighter and easier to read than any other marker they've ever made. But, it's true that the triggers on the older high ends have more options. I'd rather have the more modern models that don't have discontinued noids that aren't serviceable and cost $150 to replace. It is a mystery to me, for example, why anyone buys a Geo 3.5 these days when you can get a CS1 with the same IV core but a currently available noid that you can service yourself. I get that the ergos are different, but it seems like a large price to pay for me.

@jackallred8228 3 жыл бұрын

@@airtimepaintball463 I really enjoy the old boards on the eclipse guns just because of how easy they are to navigate and how the user interface is practically the same as the interface on all of the eclipse high ends they still make. You can rebuild the solenoid on the ego 10/9 geo 1/2 and they all share the same pilot valve and I think they also use the same check ball. Sure parts can be harder to find but they are pretty cool to show off on the field and can be so fun to shoot.

@NicholasEllis 3 жыл бұрын

Maybe as a backup to the 170 you could consider an Etha2?

@airtimepaintball463 3 жыл бұрын

Hey, thanks for watching! So the Etha 2 is a sollid choice for sure. For me personally, I prefer the original Gtek. They are roughly the same price in the used market, but the Gtek is maybe a little cheaper on average. The Gtek has an aluminum body, and an OLED screen (or the ability to add one) which makes programming the setting super easy. The only real feature that the Etha 2 has over the Gtek is that it has no macro line. Personally I'd much rather not have an all plastic gun, and I'd rather have the OLED display. But, both are solid for sure.

@NicholasEllis 3 жыл бұрын

@@airtimepaintball463 I get you. As you may guess, I have an Etha2 and the composite body hasn't been an issue at all, not sure I miss the screen either. Might eventually upgrade to either a CS2 or Geo 4. Great video, looking forward to seeing more from you (already subscribed and going through your uploads)!

@mikec7848 Жыл бұрын

I know I’m late to the party but do parts from the cs2 bolt fit in the 170r engine?

@airtimepaintball463 Жыл бұрын

The bolt itself does, but the rest is different.

@williampaddock4863 3 жыл бұрын

170r is Just an all metel Etha2 you for got the etha2 as well

@airtimepaintball463 3 жыл бұрын

I didn't forget it. It's overpriced for a plastic gun with no OLED and no ability to add one imo. I don't really understand why anyone would buy one when you can get a Gtek OLED for less $ on the used market. This is just my opinion; obviously many people like the Etha 2...I'm just not one of them.

@williampaddock4863 3 жыл бұрын

@@airtimepaintball463 yup good point and same token why buy an all metel etha 2 aka 170 r instead save some money and buy a gtek

@PedroOjeda 2 жыл бұрын

did the 170r get more expensive? they now sell for $900 instead of $800 brand new.

@airtimepaintball463 2 жыл бұрын

Yes it did.

@eduardolomeli2643 2 жыл бұрын

Wats the purpose of the tournament lock being on or off?

@airtimepaintball463 2 жыл бұрын

If you play in tournaments, you are required to 'lock' the configuration of your board so that it can't be messed with during play. All modern electro markers provide a way to do this.

@eduardolomeli2643 2 жыл бұрын

@@airtimepaintball463 thank you really appreciate it

@gtifury310 3 жыл бұрын

Making me regret my AMP purchase. Staaahp

@airtimepaintball463 3 жыл бұрын

Maybe don't watch my AMP review then :)

@gtifury310 3 жыл бұрын

@@airtimepaintball463 haha. I guess I'll reserve judgement until I play with it a few times. Definitely appreciate the unbiased opinion.

@gtifury310 3 жыл бұрын

After 3 days of play, doing a straight trade for a 170R with the AMP. Played with the Emek and loved the shot. Then after holding and shooting a 170R this weekend it cemented my decision. Can't wait!

@nicholasblevins7519 3 жыл бұрын

buy the new luxe marker thats about to come out but i would get a used cs2 over a 170r

@CSULA21 3 жыл бұрын

What "new Luxe marker"?

@nicholasblevins7519 3 жыл бұрын

@@CSULA21 so adrenaline paintball made one and luxe will tell you more in a month or 2 but look up adrenaline paintball luxe they did some youtube videos im excited they even made a mechanical version

@vamp9190 2 жыл бұрын

Your prices are a bit on the low side....hard to get PE markers at the prices you mentioned. Actually, prices seem to have gone up during COVID versus 1.5 - 2 years ago.

@airtimepaintball463 2 жыл бұрын

You have to pay attention to the dates on the videos. Also, you were right ...until about 4-5 weeks ago. Prices have come way down (for future readers of this reply I'm posting in on 12/26/21). I have seen multiple 170r's in the last 10 days posted for under 700, and not selling. I sold one for a teammate and after a while, managed to get 660 out of it. 3 months ago I could have posted it for 775 and it would have sold in 5 minutes. No more.

@CreepinCreeper01 2 жыл бұрын

That just because of the holiday eason, prices will go back up

@airtimepaintball463 2 жыл бұрын

@@CreepinCreeper01 I disagree. The thing that is driving the price is the same thing that always drives all prices; supply and demand. As PE's manufacturing capability recovers, supply will increase, and prices will stay close to current levels. That said, there is always a bump in the Spring, and this year is no different. Buy now while the buying is good! :)

@jamnesnewland4303 3 жыл бұрын

170r prices just keep going up 😂

@ShootaMcG 2 жыл бұрын

the cs2 pros are goin for 1400 used now idk y

@airtimepaintball463 2 жыл бұрын

Nobody is getting 1400 for CS2 Pros on the BST's. Ebay, maybe, but the real market is Facebook. 1200 or so will get you your choice of these for sure. 1250 at most. Thanks for watching and commenting!