The ‘Quiet Catastrophe’ Brewing in Our Social Lives

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It’s impossible to deny that the U.S. has a serious loneliness problem. One 2018 report (www.kff.org/report-section/lo...) by the Kaiser Family Foundation found that 22 percent of all adults - almost 60 million Americans - said they often or always felt lonely or socially isolated. That was a full two years before the Covid pandemic. And Americans appear to be getting lonelier over time: From 1990 to 2021, there was a 25 percentage point decrease in the number of Americans who reported having five or more close friends. Young people now report feeling lonelier than the elderly.
This widespread loneliness is often analogized to a disease, an epidemic. But that label obscures something important: Loneliness in America isn’t merely the result of inevitable or abstract forces, like technological progress; it’s the product of social structures we’ve chosen - wittingly or unwittingly - to build for ourselves.
Sheila Liming is an associate professor of communications and creative media at Champlain College and the author of the new book “Hanging Out: The Radical Power of Killing Time (www.penguinrandomhouse.com/bo...) .” In the book, Liming investigates what she calls the “quiet catastrophe” brewing in our social lives: the devastating fact that we’ve grown much less likely to simply spend time together outside our partnerships, workplaces and family units. What would it look like to reconfigure our world to make social connection easier for all of us?
We discuss how the structures of our lives and physical spaces have made atomization rather than community our society’s default setting, the surprising class differences in how far we live from our families, the social costs of wearing headphones and earbuds in public, how technology has enabled us to avoid the social awkwardness and rejection inherent in building community, the fact that the nuclear family is a historical aberration - and maybe a mistake, how texting and “ghosting” affect the resilience of our core relationships, why shows like “The Office” and “Parks and Recreation” are entirely built around socializing at the office and what we are losing in an era of increased remote work, why some parents are revolting against their kids having sleepovers and more.
Mentioned:
“You’d Be Happier Living Closer to Friends. Why Don’t You? (annehelen.substack.com/p/youd...) ” by Anne Helen Petersen
“The Nuclear Family Was a Mistake (www.theatlantic.com/magazine/...) ” by David Brooks
Full Surrogacy Now (www.versobooks.com/products/7...) by Sophie Lewis
Regarding the Pain of Others (us.macmillan.com/books/978031...) by Susan Sontag
Letters from Tove (www.upress.umn.edu/book-divis...) by Tove Jansson
Book Recommendations:
Black Paper (press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/...) by Teju Cole
On the Inconvenience of Other People (www.dukeupress.edu/on-the-inc...) by Lauren Berlant
The Hare (twodollarradio.com/products/hare) by Melanie Finn
Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.
You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast (www.nytimes.com/column/ezra-k...) , and you can find Ezra on Twitter @ezraklein. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-... (www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-...) .
This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” is produced by Annie Galvin, with Jeff Geld, Rogé Karma and Kristin Lin. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris, Mary Marge Locker and Kate Sinclair. Mixing by Jeff Geld. Original music by Isaac Jones. Audience strategy by Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser. Special thanks to Sonia Herrero and Kristina Samulewski.

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@TenTenJ
@TenTenJ 9 ай бұрын
Coming from a big extended Armenian family in the US, one relative would take turns hosting everyone on Sunday. My cousins and I would have our Sundays free with adventure and familial love. We all grew up, got our careers, moved around and that tradition is gone. It was healthy and we all miss it.
@nancybartley4610
@nancybartley4610 Жыл бұрын
How about how arrogant/snobby about whom we associate with? People seem to decide based on very little whom they will associate with as opposed to really getting to know someone. Also, did we use to have relationships across age groups? What happened to mentoring younger people? What happened to volunteer work?
@klowen7778
@klowen7778 9 ай бұрын
Perhaps it's a 'Quiet Catastrophe' if you happen to be among the more 'extroverted' folks among us, who desperately _need_ continuous 'socializing' (and also account for the most narcissism). But speaking from the POV of the aprox. one third of the population who are of the 'Introverted' persuasion, IMHO the thought of more 'privacy', let alone being free from screaming kids, barking pit bulls, and trashy next door neighbors, sounds positively heavenly! ;-p
@amygirl9534
@amygirl9534 9 ай бұрын
Correct. College dorms were a nightmare for many of us. It has nothing to do with pride. It has to do with something called peace and quiet.
@Ardwick-Crome
@Ardwick-Crome 8 ай бұрын
A life free of pit bulls is a life not worth living.
@TheChocofusion
@TheChocofusion 8 ай бұрын
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@TheChocofusion 8 ай бұрын
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@deborahcurtis1385
@deborahcurtis1385 8 ай бұрын
It's still essential to form human connections. They don't have to be noisy connections but they do need to be meaningful. Few thrive in absolute social isolation and that's what this is about. It's not about the bias towards extroversion in western society. @@amygirl9534
@tammiepulley7167
@tammiepulley7167 9 ай бұрын
I lived in a few different “group” or roommate situations over age 50 and the success totally depends on the quality of the housemates. Be very intentional. One bad apple can toxify the entire home. As this was always true even in the far past where one crazy or drunk uncle could ruin a family home.
@8cupsCoffee
@8cupsCoffee 8 ай бұрын
It's very easy for a group situation to become intolerable because of one person, maybe that's why we don't bother anymore. Like if there's one toxic person in the family, everyone dreads going to family parties because that person drinks, fights, says racist things etc. then everyone wants to leave early because we are empowered, and no longer feel like we have to put up with toxic people.
@lunazamoraart
@lunazamoraart 8 ай бұрын
I grew up in a Mexican multigenerational family. When I moved to the Midwest, I felt alone and isolated for 30 years. Sad. I hope to go back soon!
@deborahcurtis1385
@deborahcurtis1385 8 ай бұрын
Being unable to find people to simply 'hang out' with has been a real loss to me for a long time. It began when people got Filofaxes and I moved to a big city it seemed like every interaction had to be scheduled and it needed a purpose. People became work addicts or just had to work long hours with no choice. Then we got exhausted. This is a real issue. You need a social media profile and you need to market yourself which is a strange and artificial phenomenon.
@nancybartley4610
@nancybartley4610 Жыл бұрын
I kept waiting for them to define friendship, types of friendships, how to make friends, how to sustain friendships, how to find friends. They seemed to speak in a very cold manner, removed from the actual subject. How have our values changed? How has our ability to compromise, to realize connection takes work and thought about what we give to and ask of our relationships factor in? They seemed very removed from the real substance of this discussion.
@Rotwold
@Rotwold 9 ай бұрын
I think she's diagnosed a real issue but her explanation is awfully mechanised. Somehow I felt that she was describing the machinery behind "hanging out" in a liberal way. They touched on living in "clans" but spent no time discussing why we need socialisation without expectations. Instead zooming in on private property, public spaces and making a career. A very atomised view on society honestly.
@deborahcurtis1385
@deborahcurtis1385 8 ай бұрын
@@Rotwold You can't cover absolutely every perspective of what is a complex situation. There are so many ways of experiencing friendship, and the issue you have is how they describe it? I don't find them cold, but factual. There has to be some way of making universal commentary and that is inherently going to be analytical. IF you want whimsical observations about friendships, that's a different focus and program. She makes a key observation about fantasies of control, of saying yes or no to an interaction. And we have become more functional and transactional and this is truly regrettable. IMO. Saying this is not going to be warm and fuzzy because the situation isn't.
@solarhydrowind
@solarhydrowind 7 ай бұрын
I think there's something amiss here, because host gave lukewarm intro of guest, and guest sounds -maybe - annoyed. Just my opinions.
@demeter7958
@demeter7958 9 ай бұрын
I had to break up with my best friend and leave my friend group because they were abusive and toxic. I know I’m better off without them but now I’m lonely. 😢 I’m also learning better boundaries in therapy so I hopefully don’t attract people like this in the future so I’m actually more reluctant to strike up conversations with strangers, something I used to do. I’m more than halfway through this and I don’t think they will address this.
@totoroben
@totoroben 10 ай бұрын
I didn't choose to live this way. The built environment that caters to the automobile and destroys great American cities is the culprit. Urbanists know this all to well, and the rest can feel it, but not quite put their finger on the problem of why they feel isolated.
@antigonemerlin
@antigonemerlin 9 ай бұрын
And even so, we build communities anyways, in the inbetween, online and in little comments sections, in cafes and paid enterprises, while companies are telling us to buy buy buy. We build our communities even as companies try to take them away from us, every time. I suppose that is the ebb and flow of life.
@bernadettesandoval3990
@bernadettesandoval3990 8 ай бұрын
I grew up in a quasi car dependant city and it was a joy because we had a community. Family owned businesses, faith communities, extended family celebrations, schools had sports, music, drama shows, local swimming pool, bike paths, a lake, creeks and tennis courts. What we didn't have and what eventually damaged society was no fault divorce and legal birth control not planes, trains or automobiles.
@kendomyers
@kendomyers 8 ай бұрын
@@bernadettesandoval3990 So society was damaged when women could contr their bodies and decide to leave unhappy marriages? Its not worth engaging in your ideas, youre simply un-American and wrong Freedom for all - including women
@BoReads
@BoReads Жыл бұрын
College was too expensive without going into an enormous amount of debt. I grew up in an isolated suburb. Tack autism onto that and you've got a recipe for misery. I know online socialization is not ideal, but it's a lot better than nothing I can tell you that. Thank God for the people I have met online through sharing our fiction or I would literally want to kill myself.
@HunkMine
@HunkMine Жыл бұрын
I feel that. The only way I can connect with long time friends is discord since so many people move. I also telework everyday, so its nice to talk to someone. It's not a bad compromise.
@dogsdomain8458
@dogsdomain8458 6 ай бұрын
That sucks that online is the only way you have to get friends. I suggest trying to meet up with the people you hang out with online. Maybe you guys can organize an event, like flying out to some city and hanging out there.
@BoReads
@BoReads 6 ай бұрын
@@dogsdomain8458 Hahah, fly out. If it were that easy I'd never stop. Anyway, we don't even talk anymore and I've gotten comfortable with being alone. It's not so bad when you have hobbies and keep busy, and work out a lot of my own shit.
@mohamedali2858
@mohamedali2858 Жыл бұрын
If you want to know the value of a culture in the world, look at the people that this culture values strongly and unleashed.
@kahlodiego5299
@kahlodiego5299 9 ай бұрын
There are no places to congregate. There is no public transportation. It's designed that way.
@nowamajormotionpictureeven3797
@nowamajormotionpictureeven3797 Жыл бұрын
It's a ramble with a few interesting thoughts, but it doesn't get into any serious data or analysis. One thing I found funny was that they kept going from "family is on the other coast and we all live alone" to "let's do co-living" without ever talking about neighbours and why we don't hang out with them.
@cartman2027
@cartman2027 Жыл бұрын
indeed. More than an hour about social isolation and they did not mention the significant trend away from church attendance. And, when they get to family, the guest says it can be like a hostage situation. Disappointing discussion.
@deborahcurtis1385
@deborahcurtis1385 8 ай бұрын
It's anecdotal this program, but it's also building on measurable social trends. You complaint it's not into serious data or analysis but someone else is having issues with the discussion being too cold and analytical (see above). Neighbours are random, and it's difficult to form compulsory friendships with random people. I have some neighbours who have very different attitudes, and one told me to my face his idea of a perfect neighbour is someone he didn't have to interact with. However he's become best buddies with some wealthy neighbours who have built a McMansion on the corner. They are very materialistic people and spending time with them is not really an option since they are very judgemental and narrow in their views. The program does discuss various housing options and the people attracted to them might be more similar to encourage this good neighbourliness.
@marissadower-morgan3313
@marissadower-morgan3313 10 ай бұрын
Through most of my life as a single person I had at least a handful of good long term friends. But after marriage my family and my husband got in the way of that freedom to focus on relationships not directly connected with child rearing or with common interests My first husband was not interested in -my own friends or I his business relate friendships .. My second life partner was also a work-a-holic ( so was I to survive ) ..We had no time to socialize , or extra money to go out to meet people .I have lost over 30 some years of a social life due to my love life . What a disaster . Now I'm divorced , single and mostly friendless. Everyone I knew has forgotten me , or moved on . I have no interest in love, maybe I can now be a friend at last .
@bobsingh7949
@bobsingh7949 9 ай бұрын
Wow! Thank you for your words.
@subcitizen2012
@subcitizen2012 8 ай бұрын
It can be difficult to adjust, but man, once you adjust, you are reluctantly free. Honestly, at 40, socializing just doesn't make sense, hardly at all. It takes time and energy to traverse the time and space and do the engaging and maintenance, and it's rarely worth it, trying to create or recreate what is otherwise just gone. It's not the most uplifting thing, but man, I wish there was something g out there that could've prepared me for this reality. Some people, usually idler people or people with families tend to be sentimental about those binds they have, which is understandable, those are more fresh and maintained neurons. But for the rest of us, maybe most of us, especially beyond a certain threshold of isolation or age, there's just no going back, for better or worse. I don't want to go back to trusting people or being in close physical or relational proximity to people, people suck. And it's those very relationships that are in close proximity that beer the most risk and burden to make it not worth it in the end. Personally, I'm defiant. Loneliness isn't a thing any more, im beyond that feeling and that sense of loss. Maybe it's not for everyone, but you can do it too and be unburdened from those chains of misplaced sentimentality. Worried about missing out on holiday time with the family? What if it's the inverse, and you are actually being afforded a once in a lifetime opportunity to not miss. Whatever it is, whatever they are, these are the circumstances so we have to adapt to them.
@juancarlosv5136
@juancarlosv5136 5 ай бұрын
It's always a pleasure to listen your programs
@grmpEqweer
@grmpEqweer 8 ай бұрын
The country got richer, but that wealth is very concentrated now. A lot of us are struggling and lonely.
@robinstevenson6690
@robinstevenson6690 7 ай бұрын
Excellent show, Ezra!
@elbonian663
@elbonian663 9 ай бұрын
In America, if you were born -- say after 1985 -- you were raised in an era in which you were actively discouraged from exploring the world on your own. It was a world of "stranger danger" in which drugs or kidnapping or sexual abuse or murder lurked around every corner. And it was also an age where that seemed OK, because you didn't need friends to have fun -- there were video games and computer games and the internet and phones -- all of which brought their own stranger dangers. 9 - 11 served to reinforce that world view for many -- the world is a dangerous place, and people are out to get us.
@Shredderbox
@Shredderbox 8 ай бұрын
IMO Ezra should be required to go live in a dormitory for suggesting that others do the same. I'd love to see how that pans out, because it is super easy to be in a position of privilege and dictate what others should do.
@8cupsCoffee
@8cupsCoffee 8 ай бұрын
"Why don't people live in communal spaces? I mean, I wouldn't but maybe it would make *them* happier..."
@mps397
@mps397 5 ай бұрын
Here's an idea. Spend less time glued to the internet and make yourself go out and try new things. Get involved in a social hobby. Join a book club or a community garden or volunteer at neighborhood functions to list a few, there's plenty of options out there. Im alone but not lonely because I keep myself stimulated with hobbies that fascinate me so I can both learn and interact with nature and sometimes other people if I choose to but this is only my opinion. I would like to note there's nothing wrong with striving to find and manage a personal balance between solitude and social interaction.
@seanmichaelhurley
@seanmichaelhurley Жыл бұрын
People can't stand to be in environments they haven't curated to a T. It's like everyone has lost their top layers of skin and finds any breeze excruciating. Not a lot to look forward to in this regard. Whoops --- should have listened all the way through.
@pedrova8058
@pedrova8058 5 ай бұрын
Adam Curtis documentary "The Century of the Self" is a good summary of how we got here
@vickilynn9514
@vickilynn9514 5 ай бұрын
I don't find most interactions very rewarding these days. Most ppl are self absorbed and show no real interest in other ppl. That makes me feel more alone than being by myself. I don't believe in socialising just for the sake of it
@christinebuhr7520
@christinebuhr7520 6 ай бұрын
Listen again and count how many times you hear the term ‘hanging out ‘ Perhaps if we went back and examined how we came to that concept in the first place and our current expectations of what that is supposed to provide
@joemurray4205
@joemurray4205 16 күн бұрын
Some places I’ve lived College life Military life Live on a boat in a marina Live in a adult r v park
@8cupsCoffee
@8cupsCoffee 8 ай бұрын
To suggest that teepeeing houses at sleepovers is the kind of risk parents are worried about is REALLY naive, come on bro. You know what moms are worried about and its not "the boys getting into too much mischief."
@copperstewart5910
@copperstewart5910 9 ай бұрын
I don't connect with the idea that the voice w/o image is richer. I have never enjoyed or 'done' voice calls and find all of them with anyone a trial, but love video calls.
@matthewleitch1
@matthewleitch1 6 ай бұрын
Having fewer than 5 friends is not isolation or loneliness. I would consider 4 friends too many. Quality is important.
@waltermilliken6220
@waltermilliken6220 8 ай бұрын
What ever happened to neighborhoods with triple decker houses?
@Edo9River
@Edo9River 9 ай бұрын
Come to Japan😅
@christopherpike9464
@christopherpike9464 8 ай бұрын
46:30 Thank you Sheila Liming! I'm a long time gym goes, and these days I get so depressed by all the headphones. I feel like it is a tragedy. Listening to an intelligent person like yourself voice my concern has affirmed my own sanity. Thank you. By the way, on the topic of gyms, I wonder whether people get better workouts by wearing these things? I'm sure if you asked them they would say, yes. But I'm very educated on the research into exercise, and no one has every shown that these head phones result in fitness benefits. I'm very skeptical. I did ask one person what he was doing on his cell phone while he was working out, and he said that he was rearranging his playlist. Good use of time, Bro (sarcasm here).
@8cupsCoffee
@8cupsCoffee 8 ай бұрын
As a woman I'm very happy to be left alone at the gym, sorry. I don't find that bumping into people randomly, yields a lot of good relationships. Most of my relationships are built on shared interests. The gym is only an interest for a percentage of people who go there.
@dogsdomain8458
@dogsdomain8458 6 ай бұрын
Just talk to people anyway. Especially if they're cooling down or just slacking off. they have no excuse not to socialize. not like they're working hard anyway
@dogsdomain8458
@dogsdomain8458 6 ай бұрын
@@8cupsCoffee not every opportunity to socialize is an opportunity for a permanent friendship nor should it be. that isn''t the only point of socializing
@PikesCore24
@PikesCore24 5 ай бұрын
@@dogsdomain8458 I agree with dogsdomain. It is like 8cupsCoffee didn't even listen to the podcast. You don't have to be "interested" in the gym to have a conversation there. Just like you don't have to be interested in the grocery industry to have a conversation at the grocery store. 8cupsCoffee is looking for reasons why she should avoid conversations. I would recommend turning this cup upside down, and look for all the reasons to have a conversation.
@fredbarnes196
@fredbarnes196 8 ай бұрын
One of the few times you have the chance to talk to your neighbors is when you both happen to be in the driveway at the same time. I thought that was when you say hello. But what if they have undressed toddlers out playing? Turns out you are not supposed to say hello in those cases. Lesson learned.
@andym4695
@andym4695 6 ай бұрын
A dog or cat (IF you're going to take care and provide love and attention to said pet) can provide a great deal of comfort, plus a sense of purpose and responsibility.
@ZinSchartz-tl9kd
@ZinSchartz-tl9kd 8 ай бұрын
0:10 Thank you helps for Rem.
@Edo9River
@Edo9River 9 ай бұрын
Homeless in California are mostly within 30 minutes of their high school
@sidstovell2177
@sidstovell2177 9 ай бұрын
Well said.
@Edo9River
@Edo9River 4 ай бұрын
the questions are probing. but the answers are not satisfying. The observations are justly insightful, but there is a looseness, and unresolved examinations of the issues, which I see in the quesions, but the replies don't seem to go very far, not at all far enough. However this topic is like a shiny smoothe stone found on the road, but I will leave it there.
@susanmcdonald9088
@susanmcdonald9088 9 ай бұрын
Im not sure "community" isn't closely related to "tribalism" with which we are still dealing millenia later, groups so intertwined through religion or race, who will kill over it, as in Israel. Lonliness is a part of life, nothing new and perhaps our definitions have changed, every generation post WWII and especially today, I'm bored, is the newest mantra as if every second should be exciting which tv & technology has certainly created part of that. Philosophers since the 1960s have projected what this post-modern world might change us, Dr. Rick Roderick, d. 2002 lecture series "The Self Under Siege", 1997 YT lecture "8 Fatal Strategies" on post-modernity, discusses this loss of self. Lonliness perhaps a byproduct of a much deeper problem philosophers have been aware for decades, and predicted. How to maintain Reality, our real challenge. Sometimes going back to the ancient greeks helps since they brought us here (science, democracy, theatre, olympics, free speech, the vote...). The Odyssey. 8th century B.C. when finally written down after centuries of oral story-telling. He loses his ship, his men, hanging onto a piece of wood in the middle of the Mediterranean Sea, lost, hungry ... alone. We just don't read the classics anymore; those ancients hold answers for us. Because human nature has not evolved one bit; we've all their same natures. Here's the movie. A great journey. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bLmPn5RjvLPDe4E.htmlsi=-T5M7_YRi4AqadCO Cheers!
@kimwilliamson7880
@kimwilliamson7880 9 ай бұрын
People in this country cluster around incomes.The middle and upper classes are quite uncomfortable around lower income folks.Income bigotry?
@rosemarieroth1984
@rosemarieroth1984 9 ай бұрын
Sadly and in most societies it has been this way since civilizations were established.
@deborahcurtis1385
@deborahcurtis1385 8 ай бұрын
An exception is the creative world, music and the arts in general. they are less rigid. But there are levels of status, obviously
@davidanthonystone5165
@davidanthonystone5165 5 ай бұрын
Loneliness is not my illness but as I am a young 72 j would enjoy a traveling partner
@kydetoad
@kydetoad 7 ай бұрын
Europeans in my experience do this better...socializing as an important routine and choice as part of their daily lives.
@rosalindmartin4469
@rosalindmartin4469 9 ай бұрын
Why do i hafta look at the guy's mug🙄🤣
@stanleykubrick8786
@stanleykubrick8786 9 ай бұрын
This was really naive. There's so much mental illness everywhere, why make the effort to socialize with abusive cockroaches?
@rosemarieroth1984
@rosemarieroth1984 9 ай бұрын
Is it really mental illness (which obviously has a significant hand in isolation) or is it that we as individuals tend to prioritize and value our own needs without contemplating/realizing that others have much the same needs and desires (food security, job security, emotional security which in some sense societies have stripped away in establishing what is perceived and perhaps valued as a "common good." Individualism allows a part of us thrive; socialization allows us to connect and to observe in a more overt way our own "place" in society.
@dogsdomain8458
@dogsdomain8458 6 ай бұрын
you can't eliminate all risk from society. at some point you have to ask if the cure is worse than the disease. Most people aren't abusive or mentally ill, despite what your anecdotal experiences might be.
@8088I
@8088I Жыл бұрын
Sadly, Lost from "Our" time. ...
@stephenbonaduce7852
@stephenbonaduce7852 2 ай бұрын
I consider it rude to talk to strangers in public spaces. It would be particularly egregious to bother someone who is using headphones or earbuds. By the same token, if I am reading a book, I expect to be left alone. As far as loneliness is concerned, isn't it true that people can feel lonely even when they're surrounded by other people? Do we know the context in which people are reporting this surge in loneliness? I feel as if there is speculation here about what is contributing to loneliness without first describing the main ways in which it's arising.
@ZinSchartz-tl9kd
@ZinSchartz-tl9kd 8 ай бұрын
Hello World,Social media use for in my country &Family compare Right way For Learning ..in my country News Sale my country from other country move for not use..money &Not change I really complete.if mistake other people for Application.
@johnstout5623
@johnstout5623 9 ай бұрын
This is not a new issue. Kids who hang out have always grown up and atomized. You are exercising nostalgia for lost youth. People who live in small rural communities often hang out with their friends when they are not working.
@jamesruscheinski8602
@jamesruscheinski8602 8 ай бұрын
focus on divine central authority substantive human rights
@8cupsCoffee
@8cupsCoffee 8 ай бұрын
As far as hanging out at work, our workplace now requires us to be there 45 hours. And our commutes are longer. Men are also participating in housework and childcare, and before, they would go out for drinks with the guys after work leaving his wife on her own with the kids. When I go to work I'm not often with people I have much in common with, and the shallow conversations about workplace gossip and new tv shows really doesnt fulfill me like having dinner with my spouse every night does. If you are an intellectual and work with other intellectuals the same age AND socioeconomic status, you already have a TON in common culturally and you're all single that's a completely different situation than most people are in. Pick random neighbors and hang out with them and 30% of them think it should be illegal for gay people to get married and we should be a Christian nation. You can say that shouldn't matter, but see how superficial you have to make that conversation to maintain a connection.
@whatsdoin2392
@whatsdoin2392 8 ай бұрын
The price of community is submission to the other. That's a pretty hefty price !
@ixuaxuni9419
@ixuaxuni9419 9 ай бұрын
First world problems. Boring 😴
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