The phrase "community" is overused these days. But it's truly a community behind the scenes. We are all constantly talking, sharing info and will drop what we are doing to help when asked. I had no idea it was like this going in but its a pleasant surprise.

I was truly hoping for a classic Lincoln St. dry wit. Something like, “pshhh, community? I’m trying to blow all these suckers out of the algorithm”

@@Lincolnstww Did all the folks shown produce video segments just for your video?

@@farmcat3198 They were clips from posted videos. *LOVED* the hip-thrust one. That was such a funny video.

@@farmcat3198 yes they all created those for the video

As a downpayment, right?

Sad but true

@@mr.e8432 I just bought a 5x5 18mm baltic sheet for $158, is that low? It was only BB/BB but I was happy.

yep a 4" x 4" piece!

On layaway? Lol

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Thank you - much appreciated!

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I appreciate that!

Generally speaking, drills and I expect these bits are ground with a slight taper (towards the blunt end). This is done to prevent rubbing or binding of the drill in the hole. Therefore it seems unlikely that the hole is wider for the reason you suggest.

@@ZenMinus that isn’t how endmills work. I’ll bet you money

@@1pcfred yep, and because the endmill has such long cutting edges, that “slop” has much more time to enlarge the top of the hole.

@@1pcfred it’s cool you own a milling machine. So do I. We’d probably have fun sharing stories if we weren’t here missing the point I originally made.

IMHO the question has never been which machine you need. If you are a professional the Festool is the machine for you while it is totally over the top for an amateur. The real question is if you can do all the things the Festool can with this jig and yes you can. And I doubt that the router bit will cut the beginning wider while cutting the deeper parts because this would mean lot of vibrations in the router bit. More likely the it isn't as tightly guided when it starts cutting.

Thank you! Will do

I have to agree. Buy once cry once is rarely wrong if you will use a tool more than three times. Time is money, for sure. But aggravation over wasted money on a subpar tool is also a factor. At least it is for me. 😂

What’s the use case that would make you stop and say, “okay, right now is when the domino is going to stand out and do something faster/better/cheaper than anything else?” I’m seriously mystified what that scenario is, and I’m a cabinet maker, also doors and furniture. I’ve used the domino but in my experience, it’s clunky, awkward, and doesn’t do anything that other tools do better. It doesn’t seem to do anything notable other than drill a weird sized hole. To be fair, the same looks to me to be true of the tool in this video. My usual process is to grab one of the jigs that I’ve made for drilling pairs of dowels. Occasionally I make a new one to customize the dowel size or distance apart. The domino concept locks me into fewer options, for no time saving I can see and obviously the price is absurd. Is there something these tools do that justifies having them?

Thanks for sharing the information about the jessem and the comparison and contrast to the domino. Always good to know the options.

​@Thomas Westgard "Is there something these tools do that justifies having them?" Yes, they save you time

@@G0F15H That has not been my experience. Can you be more specific how they save you time?

Would you have bought the workstation at the same time if you did purchase it?

@@a9ball1 I think so. Still under the cost of a domino and provides a good amount of flexibility and usefulness.

@@CoreyShockey i think it is way to clumpy for what it does. Looks like just another domino copy that works fine, but isnt as versatile as the domino. I think the only way we get a cheaper domino is when this patent ends

This! I’m purely a hobbyist and whenever I can get shop time the most important thing to me is efficiency. Domino is expensive as hell but it’s so easy to use. I can go months without using it but when I come back there’s nothing to think about. You just do.

I sold my Domino because it was so inaccurate that I spent more time fixing my joints than it was worth. I own several Festool products and really the only one worth a crap is the track saw.

This "ride" will soon be over.

You make a valid point. It’s refreshing to realize this now that you mentioned it, with how messed up our society has become in every other way.

@@l.k.1011 what do u mean?

I appreciate that!

Yeah, but it is honesty heavily sprinkled with humor and sarcasm…the best kind! I always have to laugh when people get so tightly wrapped around the axle and think their opinion is the only one that counts. If you’re a professional, it will be super easy to justify the expense of any top end tool. For the hobbyist it’s another story…unless they have a bunch of money burning a hole in their pocket. In the end…to each their own, and with emphasis…leave them alone!

@@bartwensink6445 Agreed!

@@bartwensink6445 🤣 "tightly wound around the axle" ...great line, love it!

EVERYONE PLEASE PAY ATTENTION. This is how you comment on a video while having a different idea/belief. Its objective, it's to the point and doesn't try to gatekeep for new woodworkers. Well done, Roby, well done!

@@Lincolnstww Except he used the wrong spelling of Vise. Although it did make his comment more humorous.

​@@jeremycoyle2782 maybe he meant to write "vice"... :) could be the secret to good mortises... drinking, smoking, too much fried food... worth a try :)

Thank you for noticing that. I try to get to the point

95% is metal which you can recycle. Rest is plastics which you can recycle (at least here In Finland).

Glad you enjoyed it!

As I research and do cost/benefit analysis, I've looked at the Beadlock system and like it. Do you own? How would you rate it?

@@m.d.d.3051 It can make really strong joints due to the area of the Beadlock tenons (bigger than Dominos). I only use the larger size, since I use dowels for smaller joints. It was confusing at first, but once I sat down for 30 minutes (or so) with the jig and a cup of coffee, it all made sense. You can also use it as a guide for chisels for traditional mortises. I like it. Maybe I'm dense, but I've never understood the furor over Dominos.

@@richpeggyfranks490 You aren't dense, because I never understood it, either. The Domino strikes me as being as finicky as a biscuit joiner would be - and I don't like biscuit joiners either. I've been looking for a loose tenon set-up that won't break the bank, and appreciate Rockler's innovation. I appreciate your input on the Beadlock system. It's the one I've been leaning towards.

@@m.d.d.3051 I bought the Beadlock system and the thing I learned using it is that 1) loose tenons are very handy 2) A Domino is in my future. The main issue I had with it is that it's a very precise tenon using a jig that's not precise. Any issues with drilling the holes perfectly makes the tenon not fit in the mortise. I had a lot of issues with the drill bit walking in to the 'A' holes while trying to drill the 'B' holes and pulling the very tightly clamped jig sideways and sometimes out of perpendicular. Replacing the bit that comes with it with a brad bit might help. The alignment viewer would also be better with two lines to put your mark between rather than a single line that covers your mark on the wood. Alignment of the tenons is precise enough, that being off the thickness of the view finding line can leave you with uneven joints. Also, having used it a few times now, the guide bushings are starting to get sloppy from wear. Again, creating precision issues. Even as a hobby woodworker, I also found the time required to use the Beadlock jig to be too much. My time working on projects is limited, so while it's not 'time is money' as would be for a professional, it's still the difference between finishing a batch of tenons on one Saturday or two.

Glad you like them!

thanks for noticing! ;)

Ha definitely get the planer and table saw first

Get a good table saw, like a DeWalt for $600.

I think it depends on what you're looking to get from your craft. A friend of mine hand cuts traditional joinery because he finds it relaxing and fulfilling. My interest is in the finished piece, so I don't mind using modern techniques to speed up that process.

It doesn't take hours. Yes every time I bring out the domino, I make money. But cutting "live" M+T for things like period reproductions isn't hours of extra time.

If it takes you hours to do a proper mortise and tenon then maybe the problem is you.

@@whitec21 I can definitely see that. And like I said, some of those crazy joints are really, really cool looking. But sadly I just never noticed them on anything until I got into the craft myself, which really made me question their actual importance. I'd probably enjoy it if I could do it lol. I'll stick with the easier ones for now.

ha I'm not sure its fair to add the cost of a drill into this equation. I dont think anyone buying a machine for floating mortise and tenon is a non drill owner.

@@Lincolnstww Sure, I'd even go so far as saying anyone who owns a house probably owns a drill. But the cost of that drill isn't zero because it's already been purchased. My point was it's still a requirement with an associated cost and you're comparing a non-powered tool that needs power to function versus one that has the power built in. (Certainly, that built-in motor included with the Domino is responsible for part of the cost difference.) Something else to note is the Domino turns the cutter at router speeds (20k+ rpm) vs the 1500 ish of a drill, which is likely why you needed to start slow when making the cut. Don't misunderstand, I'm not a Festool fanboy ... I have zero dollars invested in their products. I'm just saying for me, I'd rather pay more for a quality tool that does the job, then save some money for a tool that does a poor imitation. But since I can hardly afford wood these days, guess I'll continue with the mortise and tenons that don't float. lol

you got it!

Thank you Jason! Much appreciated. Hopefully it’s more of the same

I think anything compared to a domino will seem fiddly. Compared to a dowelling jig - its easier to use in my opinion.

Thank you much appreciated. Ill be the first to admit I don't need anything festool that I currently have in my shop. But they are nice to have

Did you ask those people if they have “minimal experience and too much money”??? 😂

There are gentlemen farmers ... and gentlemen wood workers. My experience with the latter (because I don't know any of the former) is they are guys (or gals) with the time and the money to do what the pros do, but their golf game often gets in the way. Some of them build some really beautiful stuff - just not much of it in a year's time.

As a user of the Festool stuff for about 10 years, I can assure you some of their tools are not worth the premium. But many are - including the domino, orbital sanders and their track saw.

Glad you enjoyed it

thanks for watching

Thank you!

He always does