The Real Future Of Diving? Introducing the Avelo System

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This is the future of diving. Meet Avelo.
It's DEMA Show 2022 time. I check in with my good friend Jennifer Idol who is the marketing director for Avelo, a new light weight scuba system using revolutionary technology to turn traditional, heavy scuba set ups into a thing of the past. Learn more here: diveavelo.com/
Everyone is talking about it on the exhibit floor and at the cocktail parties. It is truly out there, so I had to take a closer look...
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The Real Future Of Diving? Introducing the Avelo System

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@237bar Жыл бұрын

What is the lift capacity of this system? Is there a way to manually inflate/deflate the buoyancy control system in the event of an electronics failure or battery depletion?

@pinnacledivingco Жыл бұрын

What's the actual capacity (in liters) of the space for the gas, and to what working pressure can it be charged to? What are the operating limitations for this system? What types of gasses can be used with this system? In what configurations can this system be used (backmount only? Sidemount? Twins? Stage?)? Those are extremely important questions to know before any consideration by anyone who might be even remotely interested in using this thing.

@johnsexton3841 Жыл бұрын

If this is both the weights and the floatation for my dive, I doubt sidemount will be a thing with it.

@Master-ls2op Жыл бұрын

they did not say if it was good interested or bad interested. its like a drug dealer saying i got plenty of interest. and they fail to say its the fbi, dea, DOD, and mothers angainst everything not good interest. i think the all rating and certification agencies are interested in this because they want to know the numbers and minute some one dies because it fails in some way that is not recoverable.

@Master-ls2op Жыл бұрын

@@johnsexton3841 so you run out of air in the tank... you no go up...

@pinnacledivingco Жыл бұрын

@@Master-ls2op 😂😂😂

@KimonFrousios Жыл бұрын

Interesting! My only concern is the reliance on a battery. A BCD can be orally inflated as backup, I doubt the avelo can be manually pumped to tank pressure. But maybe you can still end the dive safely? It also relies on not running out of air to push the water back out, so may finally be a sane scenario to be ditching lead underwater in an emergency.

@ahmedsamy8406 Жыл бұрын

And if you are properly weighted you can ascend all the way up without bcd just by kicking

@Tbm-ov5ky Жыл бұрын

It looks by design the purge valve is manual, so as long as you have more than ambient pressure in your tank you should be able to purge all the water out of the tank.

@mustang6599 Жыл бұрын

Any time something is advertised as "The future of Diving", it isn't. Will it keep you afloat on the surface as BCD can? I am sure once really looked into with regards to average diving, it's limitations will start to present themselves.,

@tpavan Жыл бұрын

Before we didn't even dive with BCD's, LOL! Also no concern for the battery... how long do you plan to dive in a day? 20 hours? ;-)

@testboga5991 Жыл бұрын

Good luck inflating your jacket if you run out of air

@DontScareTheFish Жыл бұрын

What if the battery dies/floods ? The elephant in the room is "You shouldn't need much gas in your BCD because you shouldn't be over weighted" I've done technical dives in my drysuit where the only gas that went into my suit was to take off the squeeze and that was with multiple stage cylinders.

@brendanvista Жыл бұрын

Agreed, as a properly weighted dry suit diver I don't think this would buy me much.

@duaneogrant Жыл бұрын

I’ve had bladders burst in home water pressure tanks, the resulting fragments cause lots of issues downstream. Having my air supply stop because of something similar is a big concern.

@mynameismynameyourname6197 Жыл бұрын

This, Ill wait a while for it to get really established and work out any kinks.

@ReelTeaseFishing Жыл бұрын

Would be interesting to see the safety systems involved. simple questions come to mind such as battery failure. manual "inflate/deflate". possibility of water in the tank to mix with breathable air such as a ruptured bladder? etc.

@pablorivera376 Жыл бұрын

Agree and how do you maintain positive buoyancy at the surface if you have equipment like a big camera etc? Whit a bcd it is easy.

@pablorivera376 Жыл бұрын

If the idea is to replace the weight of lead with the weight of water, I'm sure it can be done more simply without the need for a water pump.

@pablorivera376 Жыл бұрын

How to do technical diving without bcd? When you have to change cylinders to breathe another gas? When you bring more than one cylinder?

@barryinkpen6026 Жыл бұрын

Sorry James. My opinion is, it is a gimmick. Dacor had an automatic compensation system years ago and it didn't survive. Honestly; how hard is it to learn to properly control your buoyancy? I noticed they didn't state the air capacity of the unit. Snake oil...

@jenniferidol8833 Жыл бұрын

Yes. Just a gimmick. Don't worry about it. 🙃

@Anaxagoran Жыл бұрын

Lmao @ you thinking it's a gimmick. You're quite ignorant.

@barryinkpen6026 Жыл бұрын

@@Anaxagoran Well. I'm entitled to my opinion. But ask yourself; "how much gas does this hold?"

@barryinkpen6026 Жыл бұрын

@@jenniferidol8833 Well; Like I said, its my opinion.

@Anaxagoran Жыл бұрын

@@barryinkpen6026 the tank is a 10L tank that has an approved working pressure of 4,500 PSI.

@csjrogerson2377 Жыл бұрын

All I can say is "Why?". It does what we've always done in a different way. I've been able to maintain my buoyancy quite adequately since I started diving in 1982 and still going. BCDs can be inexpensive; they are simple and cheap to maintain; durable (mine is 22 yrs old and all the consumable parts have been replaced) and they work. I might have 2 or 3 cylinders with me, I don't want another one. Giving divers gills is the future of diving, not a cylinder full or empty of water. .

@kirkyorg7654 Жыл бұрын

not sure I would want to put my life in the hands of a battery and a circuit board if you consider the failure rate of most electronic gadgets, they are not built to! last. If it ain't broke don't fix it has always served me well

@stephenschulte3996 Жыл бұрын

I just replaced my BC after a similar age as yours. As another person commented, a BC on the surface waiting on the dive boat is great - inflate & wait! I've done 144 dives in about as many years (it seems sometimes…) hope to be diving more often now -- but I'm getting better-and-better at neutral buoyancy without using the BC -- and many instructors / monitors with whom I dive seem to rarely use the BC to maintain neutral buoyancy while on the dive - especially below 12 meters or about 40 feet. Artificial gills or a special sponge-in-the-mouth would be a SUPER breakthrough! (But I might still wear my BC!!) Thanks for your comments!

@946towguy2 6 ай бұрын

Maui is warm water, so if you are properly weighted, you only need about 6-10 pounds of buoyancy compensation. I've done shallow (18-30') diving in Maui without a BC at all. I bring an extra 8# of weight with me and drop it in the sand to anchor my dive flag at the beginning of the dive. I pick up 2# at a time as I expend the air in my tank, so I am 2# negative at the end for the swim in underwater. In cold water like Northern California, I am wearing 13mm on my torso which needs adjustment at 40-75' depth as it compresses. I usually use exhaled air to inflate to avoid wasting tank air, only using the power inflator and quacker at the end of the dive on the surface or for urgency.

@Gstrowes Жыл бұрын

I can't seem to find any information anywhere that tells exactly how much breathing gas the cylinder holds. That's a fairly important detail to leave out.

@MetalcoreGuitar1 Жыл бұрын

The website says: „Enjoy longer dives with the Avelo System. Our Hydrotank is designed for a working pressure of 300 bars (4,350 psi). The gas capacity of the Hydrotank is 106 cubic feet (3,000L) which means it is ready to provide 33% more gas than standard tanks if the compressor in your local dive shop can fill to that pressure.“

@Gstrowes Жыл бұрын

@@MetalcoreGuitar1 So, a 10l cylinder, that’s not terrible, if you can get a 300bar fill. If you can’t, and I’ve not seen many places that do fill to that pressure, it’s not brilliant.

@joakimdiver1120 Жыл бұрын

Dont you use 300 bar steel tanks in US?;)

@bloodymarvelous4790 Жыл бұрын

@@joakimdiver1120 That would require a DIN, and Americans hate everything that doesn't come from the US, so no...

@joakimdiver1120 Жыл бұрын

@@bloodymarvelous4790 I should have known that (blame it on the american IPA I’m enjoying now). Interesting and expensive product anyway.

@TheMagistrate8 Жыл бұрын

I got to see this system in action in Maui back in September. It was amazing! I'm very excited to see this being available in the future.

@arimunic Жыл бұрын

Biggest issue I see with this system is that the water pump must overcome 4K+ psi of pressure at the start of the dive. While possible, I can't imagine what the maintenance and upkeep on such a pump would look like. Furthermore, unless I've been misinformed, there isn't a way to hydro COPV tanks, so these will have a certain lifetime then need to be thrown out. I'm curious if these are even DOT approved, perhaps that's why they're only in Maui. I would also be very hesitant to shove a bunch of salt water into a metal tank (even if it's aluminum) with no good way of rinsing/inspecting.

@sailordan140 Жыл бұрын

As a cylinder inspector, I agree with your questions wholeheartedly.

@PoetOnTheRun Жыл бұрын

This is so rad...I'm very curious. Thanks James!!

@KreeH2023 Жыл бұрын

Having back troubles is fairly common, especially as we age. Dive equipment is typically heavy and bad backs hate anything heavy. Having a system that reduces the overall weight and the strain on your back is a good thing. This is an exciting product. Because it COPV construction, I wonder if future renditions might have more body hugging shapes vs standard tank shape.

@JordanReedYT Жыл бұрын

@@theessexhunter1305 Diving sidemount requires additional training.

@TheLoosenit2 Жыл бұрын

sounds interesting but would love to hear more detailed questions. 1. Is the cylinder USDOT approved? 2. What will maintenance schedule be? 3. Can they be doubled? 4. What are the potential system failures and associated emergency procedures? (i.e. if water pump fails does it fail off so you get lighter and can swim to surface or can the water pump fail on and continuously pump water into the tank making you negative? what is the backup if this happens?). In other words it would be nice to get past the marketing details and into the depth of the product.

@narkeddivers Жыл бұрын

Following! hopefully you get an answer!

@Eluderatnight Жыл бұрын

What happens if your airbladder fails? Do you get a lung full of water?

@TheLoosenit2 Жыл бұрын

@@Eluderatnight personally I dive a neutral rig, which means I am never more than 10 lbs negative so I can swim to the surface if my wing fails. In those instances when I can’t dive a neutral rig I have redundant lift, ie a dry suit, a double bladder wing, or a lift bag that can be used as redundant buoyancy.

@Eluderatnight Жыл бұрын

@@TheLoosenit2 but are you breathing air from your BCD? That is my concern.

@Master-ls2op Жыл бұрын

DOT no... the blatter inside makes it not rated... cant hydro tested it.

@stevenwallenda8698 Жыл бұрын

HUH.... ya, several questions immediately... gonna have to do some reading on the system. Thanks for posting an intro to new technology.

@rolf-smit Жыл бұрын

This sounds amazing, and would obviously make diving (especially the buoyancy part) way easier. But on the other side, it also adds a lot of complexity to an otherwise pretty simple system (purely talking about recreational diving). Complexity on it's own is not so much a concern, however it does add failure points and also makes diving more expensive I would say (the latter not necessarily being a problem). However one major failure point in this system could lead to buoyancy loss or gain. Yes, you could drop weights. Yes, you could still manually inflate a vest, but what you cannot do is compensate for the lack off experience in manual buoyancy control. Because if divers only learn to dive with this... I don't think they will be quick (or even learn at all) to get a natural feel for it. Or am I overthinking it?

@rolf-smit Жыл бұрын

Note: the video mentions you need OWD certification before you can take a specialty to dive this. But it takes more than just 5 OWD dives to master buoyancy.

@janedoe6350 Жыл бұрын

I'm concerned that there appears to be no ability to manually inflate the buoyancy device at the surface if you get into trouble with a blown tank "o"ring or an out of air scenario. It's easy to inflate a BCD manually by blowing down the exhaust tube while holding down the dump button. But with this system ????? As for only requiring Open Water Diver.... i don't see an issue. PADI OWD permits diving to a depth of 18 meters right? If you haven't mastered buoyancy and your diving to 18 meters, you are not worth of the OWD qualification in my eyes. Controlling buoyancy in the first 10 meters is always the trickiest because that's where the changes are most pronounced... after that... the deeper you go, the easier it gets... so stay shallow and practice fin pivots until compliant. I see a few problems here when diving with a dry suite as you need the gas in the suit as well as the air in your BCD to manage buoyancy but how dose that work with this system? Plus, more to service too i bet, especially if you dive nitrox.

@jason950216 Жыл бұрын

Get your smb out and orally inflate it, now you got a backup BCD

@janedoe6350 Жыл бұрын

@@jason950216 Hmmmm... You obviously never dived UK in winter and had to wait for the dive boat to pick you up in a large swell. Anyhow, i keep my SMB and reel in my BCD pocket to streamline my kit. Maybe i can just let it dangle from the harness D ring of the Avelo system in future, right? I think this system is fine if you shore dive in flat calm conditions however, due to it's apparant lack of redundancy, i think i'll give it a miss. I'll stick with my AP Commando BCD which has it's own mini inflation tank, a valve i can breath through and an easy to use oral infiltrator that's always fast and easy to access. All i have to worry about now is not being buddied up with a Avelo user when i next book a boat space. However, I WILL TAKE THE AVELO TRAINING (as every responsible Divemaster should) when i get the chance, just in case i am buddied with a Avelo user on my next overseas holiday.

@TheJoeyboots Жыл бұрын

Your thoughts are the same as mine in this.

@kylegrimm8808 Жыл бұрын

Why, why, why? We want less failure points, not more. This definitely has an engineers hands on it.

@ner12800bb3 12 күн бұрын

Same here - why do you need this thing, i dive with 2 tanks all the time for safety measures and for a sidemount. This thing can break underwater - so what then?

@stevemellor7989 Жыл бұрын

Interesting… I had the predecessor to this. Dacor made the Nautilus CVS (constant volume system) in 1977-78 that worked on same “Q” principle. Not many sold because it was bulky and the recreational diving world wasn’t ready for it. It did not have a battery pump system, rather it used the lp hose to regulate water/air ratio. I had one and it worked great. In fact, I used it for 40 years (when diving vintage equipment) and had to Mcgyver my own parts to keep it operational. If the Avelo works the same, I want one.

@christianriedel7017 Жыл бұрын

Been watching this system for a while now, can't justify the trip to Maui but when there are classes somewhere near where im anchored on my boat I'm going to be all over it.

@stephenschulte3996 Жыл бұрын

YES! Me too!

@stevewarren6608 Жыл бұрын

Potentially, I can see this being useful to cameramen. If you can maintain hands free buoyancy while following a subject through different depths, then it does solve the issue of taking your hands off the camera to make inflator/dump adjustments midshot, introducing instability.

@stephenschulte3996 Жыл бұрын

@@theessexhunter1305 Very good points you make-- but the way you made your comments is so insulting and just plain impolite. Often in life it's not WHAT you say but HOW you say it. And in writing this I hope I'm not sounding impolite to you-- that is not the intent. So I'm re-reading this before I send it. OK I hope you (and others reading this) take it in the way it was intended-- to be constructive, not negative nor impolite. Thank you.

@stephenschulte3996 Жыл бұрын

@@theessexhunter1305 Yeah, I think you did not understand my comment. I AGREED with your technical comments -- I just didn't agree with the insulting way you replied to the person. You wrote: "…so go back and get some lessons.." Why the need for the aggressive reply? And your comments to me are non sequitur -- I was talking about politeness, not rusted and rotten equipment… OK this is why I hesitate to reply to these KZfaq posts… Fröhliche Weihnachten

@the_boatswain 5 ай бұрын

Awesome!!!!! Cant wait!!

@bigrich6750 Жыл бұрын

I’m glad someone in diving is thinking outside the box. Heavy scuba tanks have been the norm since the ‘50s, and there[s been no real innovation. I have lots of questions though. How will salt water affect the inside of the tank? What is maximum depth? How much air volume does the tank hold? How long is battery life? What happens if the battery fails at depth?

@EhCloserLook Жыл бұрын

Indeed! SOOO many questions! 😆

@hayatel2557 2 ай бұрын

It the worst case scenario you die😅

@heyselice Жыл бұрын

This is really fascinating and I will be very interested to see how this penetrates the market as time goes on!

@markweaver3458 Жыл бұрын

Sounds like a complicated solution to a simple problem. Much rather carry my wing on holiday rather than one of those things.

@jenniferidol8833 Жыл бұрын

Just as with current scuba tanks, the intent is to rent your Hydrotank from your destination. While you can fly with it (we did for DEMA Show), it’s easier and simpler to rent.

@markweaver3458 Жыл бұрын

@@jenniferidol8833 is it going to be the same price as renting a single or twin cylinder?

@WodnikJarek Жыл бұрын

And it's only 20lbs of possible buoyancy change. It won't take the market: too expensive, not sure it can pass the inspection everywhere in the world.

@pablorivera376 Жыл бұрын

Carbon fibre is a bad material under pressure. It will eventually break.

@pablorivera376 Жыл бұрын

I think the old Dacor cvs system was simpler and safer.

@leviathan_dive_mma_group Жыл бұрын

That’s awesome. It’s something I’d be interested in. I’m from Honolulu so I’ll be sure to take an island hopper to Maui

@HansenSWE Жыл бұрын

At least the walk from your car to the water will be a little lighter. But that's about it, in my eyes. A new thing that does nothing new but requires another certificate from the other side of the planet. Then again, I never was a trailblazer, myself.

@donfinlayson7887 Жыл бұрын

How would you travel with it? I dont see airlines being too excited about letting you take a cylinder onboard. Also, will a regular dive shop compressor be able to fill it?

@Str8Flossin Жыл бұрын

It’s an interesting concept. In its current form, I can see this gaining some traction for a small percentage of divers. Couldn’t really tell from the video but I’m going to guess that cylinder is close to an 80 in size. Did seem to have smaller diameter thought. Cool to see a new product👍🏼

@tintinmcs Жыл бұрын

Will be interesting to see how this pans out over the next couple of years.

@meddude1959 Жыл бұрын

I agree, Interesting. I don't know if I want to change to this for every dive, but it would be nice to travel to Maui and give it a few test dives over a week.

@janedoe6350 Жыл бұрын

@@meddude1959 I would need a few years of evidence before i switch. It may be fine for Maui but lets see how it fairs after a few winters of UK diving. For me, i would feel happier with a quality BCD while at the surface in a large swell waiting for the dive boat to pick me up.

@stephenschulte3996 Жыл бұрын

@@janedoe6350 Good point about having that BC on the surface waiting for the dive boat!! Hey, I often dive with my snorkel, too -- have spent a fair amount of time on the surface before and after diving. Great comment you made - thanks!

@TfD123 Жыл бұрын

Very promising, but one question, how do you check your remaining air? SPG would not work as you are compressing the air bladder with water inside the tank, less volume for air means more pressure, so you could keep 200bar through all your dive by reducing the volume, until you are out of air? 🤔🤔

@fsantini81 Жыл бұрын

The bladder is separated from the actual cylinder containing 200-bar air. You wouldn't be able to push the water against 200 bar, so there must be a regulator inside to fill the bladder.

@luisnouel3407 Жыл бұрын

Interesting idea, it is not really an option unless it becomes mainstream, is adopted widely (no one will travel with a cylinder) and has proven to be a reliable system. Having said that, it is good to see people thinking outside of the box and innovating. I’m just wondering the capacity on the cylinder.

@divemore941 Жыл бұрын

Very interesting, I love the concept of losing some of that weight

@klicksteratgmail Жыл бұрын

I've got to wonder how much cheaper this is compared to closed circuit diving, because it seems like for most purposes, rebreathers are going to be a better option, although most of us find it cost prohibitive...

@ReverseCard Жыл бұрын

This isn’t closed circuit, it’s still open circuit. Why the comparison?

@michaellee2472 Жыл бұрын

So many questions here, in an out of air situation is there anyway to purge the water from the cylinder? Is there any way to gain surface buoyancy to float?

@fsantini81 Жыл бұрын

James could you please officially disclose if this was a sponsored video? Did you receive any money or other benefits from Avelo for this video? It would help framing the content and it would be necessary for transparency.

@sportdiver0077 Жыл бұрын

Your reading to far into it. He's just offering a public eye into DEMA you wouldn't get unless you are here in Orlando for the show. The demo was cool I just wish I was there the day they did to ask more questions and see it in action. Down side is it doesn't travel well.

@DiversReady Жыл бұрын

This is NOT a sponsored video. I received no financial or monetary compensation of any kind. I always disclose when my videos are sponsored and by whom. I am genuinely intrigued by this product and looking forward to a time when I can take it for a test dive. I will also state again, as I did in the video, that Jennifer Idol, who works for Avelo, is a personal friend of mine.

@scubadude4940 28 күн бұрын

@@DiversReady If you were going on a two tank dive, would you need two of the tanks? What is the addtional cost of that? How are the filled? To what capacity? While I love your video's, there was a lot of information that was left unknown. Keep the vids coming mate!

@escamoteur 4 күн бұрын

@@DiversReadydid you get a chance to test it? How can they reduce the weight so much?

@markhinkle2451 Жыл бұрын

Very cool James!

@Dikus27 Жыл бұрын

Several things wrong with this system in terms of comfort and safety…. That is not so apparent. What would happen if a diver gets caught in a very strong down current? It has happened to me several times and being able to inflate the bcd to help is hugely important. Second point is the tank looks massive and definitely something you would kick when finning on a dive

@cprguy Жыл бұрын

Great new product! thanks. Quick question, I'm heading to Nassau, Bahamas this Jan 23' could you recommend a good dive center , thanks in advance.

@ampex189 Жыл бұрын

I can't wait!

@Cthippo1 Жыл бұрын

What is the buoyancy range on this thing? How much negative or positive can it overcome with different exposure systems?

@robertshort9121 Жыл бұрын

So you need to lug a 40 pound tank and system with you wherever you go diving? And the tank fills like a standard tank? Requirements for testing? Lots of questions including what the cost may be. Interesting to see where this will go.

@Troitube Жыл бұрын

In the website says the working pressure is 300 bar (a normal bottle is filled at 200-210 bar) so you need a better compresor. Equivalent tank size is 80-106 cubic ft (they show 2 sizes in the video)

@jenniferidol8833 Жыл бұрын

Hi! Great questions. Just as with current scuba tanks, the intent is to rent your Hydrotank from your destination. While you can fly with it (we did for DEMA Show), it’s easier and simpler to rent. Just as with standard scuba systems, this system undergoes an annual visual inspection and hydrostatic testing every 5 years. The cost will be comparable to standard scuba systems when it is available for purchase from future Avelo Dive Centers.

@jenniferidol8833 Жыл бұрын

@@Troitube Thank you for checking the website! While you can fill the working pressure to 200 bar to reach the full capacities, you don't need to. You can still fill to standard 200 bar pressures. Our 10L tank has a 106 cubic foot capacity and the 8L has an 80 cubic foot capacity. At 200 bar, the 10L tank capacity is equivalent to an Aluminum 80 and the 8L is equivalent to an Aluminum 63.

@csmith1453 Жыл бұрын

@Jennifer Idol I understand the idea is to rent this, but I specifically buy gear to avoid renting. Many of us do because those who travel frequently to dive often see poorly maintained equipment. Price is no barrier - transportability is. If you could address that your product available market will expand significantly not just in numbers but in less price sensitive members. Love the technology though and may join you in Maui anyway.

@petermayer8977 Жыл бұрын

So if your purge valve fails and all the water is expelled from the tank, what backup is there to stop you rocketing up to the surface?

@uniquediver Жыл бұрын

Really smart and nice people who have no idea how archaic the dive industry is..

@ChibiButo Жыл бұрын

I'm guessing the scooter boot portion would drop off if you needed to become positive in an emergency situation or some side weights. Or there is a bypass valve for the compressed air to push the water out of the chambers bladder instead of the pump?

@paulgee8253 Жыл бұрын

It seems to cut your front surface area and eliminate drag as well.

@Erockzee Жыл бұрын

Super fascinating… Would love to try it. Looking on their website there are some more specs that give some information. Looks like high pressure tank fill and comparable to potentially greater breathing gas volume than a standard aluminum 80. Guess it’s time to plan a trip to Maui!

@leonda4817 Жыл бұрын

This adds a lot of complexity to the system just for the small benefit of having to fiddle less with the buoancy. At this level of technical effort you might as well use a rebreather, which has more advantages. However, the usage of the submarine principal is pretty cool, and i'm sure it's more fun and easier. However i'd prefer a seperate, non-comressable "steel-bcd" that can be operated like a regular bcd and could be strapped onto your normal bottle. You'd still have all the advantages of this product, plus all the compatability to what's already on the market. Furthermore, you avoid the unnecessary electrical system, which will be a dealbreaker to many. So why not create something that people can use with their existing gear? Seriously, who want's to depend on one single manufacturers (expensive and failure-prone) bottle?

@peterturnham5134 Жыл бұрын

Yes, too complicated, not availiable all round the world which is where I dive. From what I can see it will reduce air capacity in the tank, I like lots of airt. If I want to go complicated and not generaly availiable rebreather is the high performance future. Of course I am probably the worst possible reviewer, after 30 years of diving I still prefer and still use my Scubapro BCD which dates from 1990. Simple, reliable and I maintain it myself.

@Don-uz9om Жыл бұрын

Why would you take simple easy system make it complex? Inducing more failure modes in a system that's simple I really don't see the point. Now you're adding a battery and more maintenance to a system that requires almost no maintenance. In an emergency if I need to drop like a rock like say a boat is approaching the system from what I understand cannot support that. I'm all for change but not to a simple system like this. Looks like just a company trying to make a buck. What about the safety features few stranded out somewhere and you need to rely on your buoyancy vest as a life preserver for days. I'll stick with my old school BC.

@stephenschulte3996 Жыл бұрын

@TheFutureIsImpenetrable I think this started as a way to remove weight (which it does) and then they realized other advantages -- like neutral buoyancy at any depth for the first 30 minutes (then a slight re-adjust). OK but at the expense of a LOT of complexity / potentially reliability… I hope to be doing a fair amount of diving in the next 10 years, but I can't see this system becoming available worldwide for at least 10-20 years from now. But let's see!

@peterturnham5134 Жыл бұрын

@TheFutureIsImpenetrable Reduce weight you are joking. Divers like me fly around the world to the top dive spots. I am already loaded 20+kg at an airport with my dive gear cameras and stuff. You want me to add a fancy tank to my baggage? Do you know how they freak out at an airport if yoiu try to put a dive tank on a plane? Rebreathers could be made light and small if someone worked at it. Lookk at Hanns Haas, diving the same time as early cousteau. read his books see his films. Rebreather could be superlight. OK I followed Cousteau, still dive with a knife strapped to my shin on air. Yes I am an anacronism

@voorbeeldfunctie Жыл бұрын

this is really cool.

@UNgineering Жыл бұрын

it sounds like an amazing all-in-one system. i think it has way more potential than the regulator-in-a-helmet from last(?) year. some questions if you don't mind: - what is the depth rating for it? - what is the lift capacity? - what happens if the battery fails? is there a hand pump? (equivalent of mouth-inflating the BC) - any issues with carrying that on a plane? - how do you hydro test it? - what kind of maintenance would it require?

@dmitriykagan3883 Жыл бұрын

really wonder if you get answers to your very valid and interesting questions.

@mrstihl16 Жыл бұрын

How much air does it hold? What are the service requirements like?

@talalhantes Жыл бұрын

does it change the lesting weight one usually carries?

@equinoxproductions7530 Жыл бұрын

i have so many questions.... dont event know where to start... one is if its so lighter it means more weights on the weight belt to compensate... also how many bar does the cylinder take...

@wrxkyle Жыл бұрын

i don't think i could resist trolling the guy checking tanks at the dive boat ladder... hey, i didn't forget my wing again did i? splash....

@jenniferidol8833 Жыл бұрын

😂

@Will-ol9lp Жыл бұрын

Hey James, What is the MOD, and can you dive Nitrox with it? How do they handle the hydro test on the system? Thanks Will

@gracez2595 Жыл бұрын

It basically puts the bladder of the bcd into the tank to make it not compressible? But I'm still confused why it can be much (30) lighter than the standard scuba system. The bladder itself is not of much weight. The backplate is still there and you still need a tank to hold the same amount of air, and you need additional battery&pump now. Is the material of the tank that makes the major difference?

@Vega_Sera Жыл бұрын

She said it's a COPV, which is a Composite Overwrapped Pressure Vessel, frequently used in spaceflight applications because it's very lightweight and very good at containing pressure. It's much less metal than a typical tank.

@gracez2595 Жыл бұрын

@@Vega_Sera Yeah, right (Originally I though she said "there is An aluminum shell inside"...) Then I assume the weight reduction benefit has nothing to do with the new bouyancy control mechanism. I'm probably more interested to see that lighter COPV tank itself to be widely adopted.

@Vega_Sera Жыл бұрын

@@gracez2595 It could be, but I feel like the reason we dont see it a lot yet is cost/benefit tradeoff. With current systems, every pound you take off of the tank, you'll likely have to compensate for with extra weight on your weight belt. Aluminum has a point where it's neutrally buoyant, and then can get positively buoyant. However if you're displacing the same amount with a lighter tank and you dont have the extra functionality that Avelo has, I can only imagine the COPV tank being extremely buoyant. Also worth noting that you heard correctly. COPVs have a thinner than normal metal shell on the inside, with the composite wrapping providing the structure that the extra metal would typically provide.

@gracez2595 Жыл бұрын

@@Vega_Sera Since COPV can sustain higher pressure, not sure if the tank can be made much more compact to be negatively buoyant all the time. But I agree that 30lbs reduction is a lot (the al80 tank is just around 32 lbs). The COPV tank must be very light to reduce that much weight...

@Vega_Sera Жыл бұрын

@@gracez2595 I think part of the total weight reduction is the fact that they claim you often don't need to wear extra weights with their system. Also, you don't have a BCD to carry around as well.

@alle_namen_schon_vergeben708 Жыл бұрын

Does the pumped in water affect the pressure of the diving gas?

@LCGardeningandFood Жыл бұрын

Sounds interesting, what happens when in an out of air situation (or low air), what air will push out the water from the tank ? No weigths, neutral boyuance at all times, how would I do a emergency boyuant ascend

@BlackBuck777 Жыл бұрын

As a brand new diver - only a few hours logged - anything which helps my buoyancy is of great interest. Sadly I'm nowhere near Maui so until this reaches either the Caribbean or Scotland (!) I'll have to keep practising.

@gabrielex Жыл бұрын

What happens in case of failure of the pump/battery? A BCD can always be inflated by mouth if anything goes wrong and it has safety valves and cords. Also I really don't like the idea of having to rely on a battery. What about the actual usable capacity?

@davideaston8314 Жыл бұрын

2 phrases come to mind.... "Just because you can, doesn't mean you should" "If it ain't broke, don't fix it"

@Cthippo1 Жыл бұрын

I'm going to disagree with you you on this one. One of the hazards of SCUBA is the positive feedback loop where if you are descending you will tend to descend faster and if you are ascending you will tend to ascend faster. Yeah, we all learn to ride that buoyancy knife edge and manage it, but it is a far from ideal system. If this system can largely solve that problem, then I think it will make diving a safer sport, especially for new divers. The thing that needs to change is that students need to be taught on this system and then take a supplementary buoyancy class to learn to manage it themselves if they want to go onto more advanced diving.

@diveavelo Жыл бұрын

@@Cthippo1 Bingo!

@practicaltheory 6 ай бұрын

Good idea. Accumulator tank with a pump. Cool.

@jplflyer Жыл бұрын

I want one!

@usmarine51519563 Жыл бұрын

Let the new things run the process. Only time will figure things out. Meanwhile carry on and enjoy. Be safe always.

@justathought6464 Жыл бұрын

How is the the maintenance on the system? Would you have to send it back to manufacturer for this? What would the cost be? It's a nice system, but there is a lot of variables there to consider.

@bobanderson9689 Жыл бұрын

How many cubic feet of air does the tank hold?

@andyrichmond1714 Жыл бұрын

Is there a reason why the cylinder is on back to front with the valve facing away from you?

@Imsolaris Жыл бұрын

What is the air pressure in the bladder?

@SimonAmazingClarke Жыл бұрын

Looks interesting. I query the life of the internal bladder. Also there was no mention of the scooter system.

@josephdracula7487 Жыл бұрын

👍wow sounds interesting 👍

@aBaBaBaB0BaBaBaB Жыл бұрын

what about deep dives theres some spical tanks also or its just for chalow water dives pls tell me if u know :D

@gregbrock5982 Жыл бұрын

Is this compatible with the Enriched air Nitrox tank system ?

@ScubaHockeyDoc Жыл бұрын

What is the gas volume capacity of the tank?

@jenniferidol8833 Жыл бұрын

Our 10L tank has a 106 cubic foot capacity and the 8L has an 80 cubic foot capacity.

@ScubaHockeyDoc Жыл бұрын

@@jenniferidol8833 thank you. Does this use a proprietary first and second stage?

@jenniferidol3981 Жыл бұрын

It uses standard din regulators.

@sdcoinshooter 4 ай бұрын

Many (many many) years ago when I was a professional diver, US divers came up with an automatic buoyancy system. It died a quick death

@unchartedodyssey Жыл бұрын

Looks like a product geared towards the high end vacation market. Seems very niche and not very flexible hopefully they can make a run of it. Lots of potential for older divers or divers with backproblems. Glad to see some more innovation from the standard set up.

@johnstoll4474 Жыл бұрын

Doesn't this system require a 4500psi compressor???

@jenniferidol8833 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for checking the website! While you can fill the working pressure to 200 bar to reach the full capacities, you don't need to. You can still fill to standard 200 bar pressures. Our 10L tank has a 106 cubic foot capacity and the 8L has an 80 cubic foot capacity. At 200 bar, the 10L tank capacity is equivalent to an Aluminum 80 and the 8L is equivalent to an Aluminum 63.

@ioidt Жыл бұрын

few Avelo youtube showed all divers, while diving, holding arms in front, instead of placing arm/palm behind the back or along the side. any reason why they hold the arms like that? it looks like that create more drags during diving.

@DiversReady Жыл бұрын

You should always dive with your arms in front of you, for four very good reasons. If you want to know what those reasons are, come take a fundamentals class with me!

@merlin_V2 Жыл бұрын

So the water pressure inside the avelo is at about 200Bar?

@stephendoherty8291 Жыл бұрын

Why the need for a special type of tank material. Could the water displacement not be automatic as well as manual? Does a BCD not offer a surface "lifejacket" when your return to the surface. Also does a BCD not offer some heat insulation in colder or longer duration dives. Still very interesting and one of the few innovations we have seen since "consumer" rebreathers and weight integrated BCDs (and Dive computers). It would allow more divers who might be unable to move so much current fixed weight by moving some displacement control into the cylinder.

@AndrewBradfird Жыл бұрын

interesting - how does this work if you're running with multiple independent cylinders?

@mikeramsey9747 Жыл бұрын

Wow, being able to shed 30 lbs, will make diving a whole lot easier for us older divers.

@EhCloserLook Жыл бұрын

IDK about you guys, but I am seriously considering going to Maui to check this out.

@larryjacques9037 Жыл бұрын

How do you get thru DOT?? They don’t allow for carbon wrapped tanks for diving

@neil27pearson Жыл бұрын

What's the redundancy plan for when the pump goes wrong? What about corrosion of the cylinder 🤔🤔

@ekun87 Жыл бұрын

I have so many questions when watching this.. how is this setup gonna be lighter than conventional scuba gears? How do we monitor our remaining air? What happen when the battery or pump fail at depth?

@bloodymarvelous4790 Жыл бұрын

I'm no expert, but looking at it, you're going to attach a normal 1st stage to the cylinder, so you'll be using your regular SPG. You just don't need an LPI hose. It's gonna be lighter because you don't need a BCD. Just the backplate. The material from which the system is made is lighter than Al or Steel. When the battery or pump fails it's the same as your BCD failing. You should still be weighted correctly so you can make a safe ascent. Don't think it's suitable for sidemount though.

@janedoe6350 Жыл бұрын

@@bloodymarvelous4790 So how do you manually inflate the buoyancy device if you find yourself at the service after an Emergency Controlled Swimming Assent because a failed tank "O" ring blew all your air ?

@sailordan140 Жыл бұрын

A regular SPG won't work, because if I understand this correctly, the water displaces the air. That should keep the air pressure the same throughout the entire dive, so a gauge will always read full pressure.

@ekun87 Жыл бұрын

@@sailordan140 after giving a thorough thought I think normal SPG might work, instead if having the whole tank to regulate buoyancy, they just need to have a different low pressure chamber that connected tank and pump. So it’s like a build in BCD that instead of add/remove air to control buoyancy, they are adding/dumping water. It doesn’t make sense as to how this system can be any lighter than conventional scuba

@sailordan140 Жыл бұрын

@@ekun87 but the SPG works on pressure. So if I breathe some gas, the gauge drops as normal. But if I need to adjust my buoyancy by pumping water in that closed cylinder, I am now increasing the air pressure. I agree that it wouldn't really be lighter. The tank is half the weight of a standard cylinder, but the battery and pump likely make up for that.

@morphingjar Жыл бұрын

Trying to wrap my head around traveling with this thing and it's just too much hassle.

@erikfragoso1255 Жыл бұрын

I'm just curious about traveling with this and does it come in various tank sizes?

@ahmedsamy8406 Жыл бұрын

I don’t think airlines would accept a cylinder full of gas to pass

@Raybrienza Жыл бұрын

This is interesting idea. How does the tank pass DOT?

@garymattscheck9066 Жыл бұрын

I like to keep up on the sport of diving. I haven't been diving in a long time.

@tristanjenkins6575 Жыл бұрын

what is the volume of the tank

@gullinbursti118 Жыл бұрын

Mmm battery powered buoyancy. What happens when that battery fails?

@gullinbursti118 Жыл бұрын

Ya thats a scam account, isnt it?

@scmsean Жыл бұрын

I wonder how this would work with a dry suit. Where I live in the winter a dry suit is pretty much required. CA water gets very cold in the winter. I've dove in water in the high 40s.

@theartist8189 Жыл бұрын

How long can you dive with it

@Will-ol9lp Жыл бұрын

James I left a comment about 4 months ago about this system and you never responded what’s up with that?? Do u know if the system holds 3000 PSI?

@DiversReady Жыл бұрын

Been busy. The pressure of the system is somewhat irrelevant as it will go up and down during a dive. As you pump water in, the gas pressure will actually increase! Which is wild to see! But if you're referring to gas volume, which I presume you are, yes, it's a standard 80 cubic ft cylinder.

@jeffsatterwhite6373 Жыл бұрын

I have been using the 100blue steal tank with BCD no weight belt suites me just fine even with nirox

@LCGardeningandFood Жыл бұрын

and is it neutral ennough for use with dry suit

@PFfourtynine Жыл бұрын

🤔 How much lift can this provide on the surface? The idea seems neat, but would it keep my head above water with some waves?

@jenniferidol8833 Жыл бұрын

Great question! You have ample buoyancy before and after your dive for your head to float above the water with waves. The system is neutrally buoyant and as a swimmer (with or without exposure suits), you are positively buoyant. You are buoyant by an additional 5 pounds of buoyancy at the end of the dive as well. It's a lot like swimming and freediving with a way to breathe underwater.

@PFfourtynine Жыл бұрын

@@jenniferidol8833 Thank you for the fast answer and insight Jennifer. Do I understand you correctly that with a full gas fill the system is neutral? Ie. It does not provide any additional lift at the start of a dive? Otherwise, what is the maximum additional buoyancy (beyond my body and suit) the unit can provide (when full with gas and when depleted). Thanks, Marius

@ntal5859 Жыл бұрын

Seems to have failure points ie Battery, valve failure .. how to ascend if you can't release water.

@markseubert9779 Жыл бұрын

1 how long of a dive is possible 2 the battery how long before replacement is needed 3 the jet pump want to see the result after mutiple dives from shore with heavy sand conditions

@angelopia1282 Жыл бұрын

The system is very promising! . My concern is about "logistics" so if im planning multidives on a dive trip. I need to bring more avelo cylinders. Not like reg. Scuba tanks that i can rent and no hassle in bringing tanks on my trip. (just saying)

@Vandroy58 Жыл бұрын

I doubt this is the future of diving. Never talked about how to give maintenance. If salty water is let inside the tank, disassembling the whole thing for cleaning must be a challenge. I think experienced divers who already own a BCD and perfectly control their buoyancy get no benefit from this at all. Only old or weak people would, but if still, OW is required, it doesn`t make much sense switching to this system.