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I always take the adoring fan with me to the unity, that way if he chooses to become starborn, there is a superpowered version of him annoying a normal version of me on his new universe.

The pilgrim is the preacher in New Atlantis, who is also the hunter. Notice the hunter never changes. Its always a version of the same person while the emissary changes every time.

I figured it was super obvious the Pilgrim is Keeper Aquilis. Like, he's so eager to have you solve his cute little puzzle that he basically solves it for you. It feels just like Bethesda writing. Furthermore, when you tell him he's The Hunter he already knows.

I think you did an admirable job of explaining what is essentially theoretical physics. I also love that the identity of the Pilgrim isn’t what matters. Their message is what matters. Power is fleeting happiness that will always drive you for more like a drug fix. Living, making the lives of those around you better, making something from your knowledge and experience; that is the way true happiness lies. It reminds me of an old Einstein quote. “Strange is our situation here upon earth. Each of us comes for a short visit, not knowing why, yet sometimes seeming to a divine purpose. From the standpoint of daily life, however, there is one thing we do know: That we are here for the sake of other men -above all for those upon whose smile and well-being our own happiness depends, for the countless unknown souls with whose fate we are connected by a bond of sympathy. Many times a day, I realize how much my outer and inner life is built upon the labors of people, both living and dead, and how earnestly I must exert myself in order to give in return as much as I have received and am still receiving.”

If everything is possible that means there are universes where the armillary cannot be completed, where starborn get stuck, unable to return through the unity, and proceed to pile up copies of themselves.

I suspect the Mysterious Captain who you meet in a random encounter in space may be Starborn who has decided to enjoy the current universe rather than play the Highlander game of the Starborn.

The real issue with the Unity is, that even though it claims to be center of space and time, every time you step through, you start at the same specific point in time. Makes me think that it is just a simulation some beings created to observe the player within a finite timeframe.

There was a star born involved 8n the creation of the grav drive on earth which is very interesting and lends to this understanding. As a Taoist I find this game very enjoyable for sure!

The writing in this game is both complex at times and down right lazy at others.

In all of it there's one constant. War never changes.

I was honestly amazed at this from Bethesda. This really isn't their usual writing style, and I really am not into multiverse stuff. However, the way they delivered it was quite thoughtful, and very well worked into the gameplay. I mean, if you keep going through the unity, yeah, you are essentially just the Hunter. If you eventually stop, you are more like the Pilgrim. Personally? I just refused to go through. At the end of the day, my galaxy is here, and everyone in here matters just as much as any potential elsewhere. So, why would I leave? Liked your take on all this, didn't know you were this much into the lore of these games. It's cool to see.

I think it’s cool that starfield includes two mirrors to the player in the form of the hunter and the pilgrim.

The allusions to the player are pretty interesting. For example, the last NG+ armor is identical to the Hunter's. At that point, his mindset of trying to find the quickest path to the Unity (whatever that may be, however ruthless) resonates more with me. I find myself becoming jaded and indifferent to the people in each NG+. I make decisions largely out of curiosity, and no threat discourages me in the same manner that the Hunter seems to approve of you being audacious with your dialogue choices. It's just..amusement, but I keep doing NG+ because I realize that my powers get stronger, my ship gets stronger, and my armor gets stronger at the beginning. Now I'm at NG+10 and already completed the faction quests, but I realize the powers get better finding the temples at each Unity, so I'm tempted to forego everything to do it all again to get stronger.

I feel compelled to not enter the Unity. Anyone else feel the same way?

I think the concept of The Unity and the meaning of the Pilgrim story was very much influenced by Andy Weir's short story "The Egg". An excerpt (go read the whole thing if you haven't) --- “The meaning of life, the reason I made this whole universe, is for you to mature.” “You mean mankind? You want us to mature?” “No, just you. I made this whole universe for you. With each new life you grow and mature and become a larger and greater intellect.” “Just me? What about everyone else?” “There is no one else,” I said. “In this universe, there’s just you and me.” You stared blankly at me. “But all the people on earth…” “All you. Different incarnations of you.” “Wait. I’m everyone!?” “Now you’re getting it,” I said, with a congratulatory slap on the back. “I’m every human being who ever lived?” “Or who will ever live, yes.” “I’m Abraham Lincoln?” “And you’re John Wilkes Booth, too,” I added. “I’m Hitler?” You said, appalled. “And you’re the millions he killed.” “I’m Jesus?” “And you’re everyone who followed him.” You fell silent. “Every time you victimized someone,” I said, “you were victimizing yourself. Every act of kindness you’ve done, you’ve done to yourself. Every happy and sad moment ever experienced by any human was, or will be, experienced by you.” You thought for a long time. “Why?” You asked me. “Why do all this?” “Because someday, you will become like me. Because that’s what you are. You’re one of my kind. You’re my child.”

I think Grandma is the Pilgrim.

having been spoiled of the ending before playing the main story, i interpreted it in the way that book 1-3 were written by one person and books 4 onwards by another, much older version, who found himself, tried to hang out with him, and ended up having to fight him.

Great video! This honestly changed my view of the entire main questline, turns out it does make sense, I just didn't pay enough attention because I was rushing haha. It's sort of sad and poetic, I just wish we'd had more interaction with Keeper Aquilus prior to the main quest. The voice acting change between the gentle Keeper and the brutal Hunter is so good.

I met someone called The hunter in New Atlantis. He told me we would meet again.

Cool video man. Love this mind bending stuff.

The Pilgrim's Identity. Based on what you're saying I assume you never went back to speak to the keeper after reading those books. I haven't entered The Unity yet and when I did he said he was the Pilgrim. I can't quote it exactly because it was more than a few days back when I went through that dialogue, but I'm fairly certain he said he had chosen to stop and settle like it's mentioned in the books.

Thinking about it further I think that Keeper Aquilis and the Hunter were originally both followers of the Pilgrim in different universes. The Hunter was likely the Pilgrim's closest confident referenced in the 3rd entry. The one who asked in a soft voice if there was anything above Unity. When the Pilgrim got frustrated by this and escaped through unity, the confident followed. The Hunter is still searching for what might be above Unity, he doesn't take it as it is, that's why he still pushes forward after 1000+ successes. Whereas the Pilgrim became the Emissary after 5 times through Unity, they see the harm that comes from unfiltered access to Unity. The Hunter is their biggest mistake that led to the Pilgrim becoming the Emissary. I wouldn't have expected this, in their interactions It seems like the Hunter is ancient and the Emissary relatively less so. And that is true, the Hunter remembers so much more of his lifetimes. But the Emissary actually came first, and of course before that, they were the Pilgrim.

I'm thinking Victor Aiza is probably the original Keeper/Hunter, considering he touched an artifact, made the grav drives, talked to himself, and because the Hunter is from Earth.

Great video. I enjoyed listening to this a lot and appreciate your perspective

I'm hoping for more from the NG+ universes as time goes on and Bethesda can add more here and there. One thing I was expecting from the story that didn't happen, I honestly expected Vae Victis to turn on everyone and have Kaiser steal the samples for him, some sort of plot to come out of hiding and take over. The story we do get is great and makes sense, but I feel like that should be a legitimate NG+ alternate plot.

I carefully avoided spoilers, and ran headlong into NG+ once I found out it was a thing. I think this is the best story BGS has ever done. Taking my time with the 2nd run, exploring more quest lines. But my first time through the Pilgrim bit, I was absolutely certain it was going to be me, that I would be the Pilgrim in the next universe. Can't wait to see what they do with the DLC.

The thing with unity is that a person is injecting themselves into creation. They can only remember their local past if they continue to pass through unity. They are in some ways doomed to repeat their intentions once they stop. The pilgrim is actually extremely likely to be one individual, sort of. One individuals might be more accurate if not grammatically correct. So each of the pilgrim's writings can be interpreted as happening each after passing through unity once. For simplicity, writing 1 on ng+1 and the final writing is on ng+6. Where this does not make perfect sense is the fact that in practice, these diary entries would have to be rewritten by the pilgrim. They write the first one as if it was relevant but no it all refers to their time in ng+1. That data was lost in it's original universe so the only explanation is that the pilgrim rewrote it. Anyway why is the pilgrim so likely to be one individuals? What does the pilgrim decide to do, what philosophy? To stop going through unity after having done so 5 times. To instead stay behind, guide and teach and then die. On repeat. What starborn Armour do you get on ng+6? Starborn Gravitas. What does the Emissary wear? Starborn Gravitas. What is the Emissary's philosophy? To stay behind, to guide and to teach, to ensure that only those who are ready can go through unity. None of this confused people following in after them helplessly after the pilgrim chooses unity. If you help the Emissary, it is revealed that they do in fact do this. If the pilgrim is not the Emissary, it is at least someone who has the exact same intentions to do as the Emissary does, they share the same philosophy.

Who said starfield has a bad main story ? 😅 The story is deep AF 🤩 Love this 👍

funny enought you can talk to aquilus after being a starborn and he as dialogue about it

Dang thanks for sharing. I never read any of these besides the third and final one since I was smart enough to give them to Andjrea since I lost her ADA slate near the end due to bill hicks lol

Dude i just looked at starfield wiki. ITS AMAZING!! Did you make all of this?

Great discussion of the philosophical aspects of the Unity concept in the game. As a fan of the Elder Scrolls series, this video got me wondering if Bethesda would ever link the notion of the Unity of the Starfield multiverse to the similar time and space bending nature of the Elder Scrolls. It would be cool to see a video that compared the lore between the two.

NGL you could make this channel really successful going into starfield lore deep dives like oxhorn with how much traction your recent lore vids have been getting. I stumbled onto your content and honestly you did a great job of delivering concise 10-30 minute pieces on topical subjects. You definitely have potential if that's what you want to pursue, but if that isn't what you're going for, it was a well done piece and I look forward to more if/when they come out

What I like is that technically speaking every single player playing the game is in a multiverse.

This game is so damn good .

He as the pilgrim found the most accurate truth to himself, and that is it doesn’t matter if you keep going or stay put. Just that staying put is a more fulfilling life for himself. At least he seems happy while the other two do not.

Wait wait wait... If he went through the Unity then how is he still writing more books that are in this one place? You can't bring any material object with you through the Unity. So either he didn't go through... or... This really is all just a setup by Aquilis to tell us about his backstory in a convoluted but seemingly deep way... I mean, it makes sense if he's that much of a megalomaniac that he'd become the Hunter he would also do something this absurd in his less violent form.

hey broski. take no offence, you need to speak a bit louder, and lower the gain of your mic. Maybe get one of those sponge things that blocks popping from P sounds. My PC volume is already at max and I had to turn my speakers up near max too. I can also hear the smacking noise every you open your mouth, and you breathing. Other than that, keep up the videos.

They live forever if they keep jumping through the unity. Say im 20 when i go through the first time. Thats when i touched the first artifact. Then i wait 40 years to go through the unity. Ill come out 20 at the point where i first touched the artifact.

You become a Title, a function for and through The Unity. Spacefarer is as much of a "Pilgrim" as he is an Emissary or a Hunter. It's all "The Player". The choices, The consequences, The resets...

These descriptions of the unity mostly describe the word paradox. It also highly injects probability as both random and fixed variables.

What I don't understand is the keeper is in every universe along with the hunter and the companion that falls exists along with the emissary, but in ng+ you replace the you from that universe. Vasco just of handedly says you disappeared off the ship as soon as it took off the mining planet, and you start off in a ship in orbit of that planet...

The best analog to the Starborn is the Greek gods. Powerful, yes, but not all-powerful or all-knowing. And all too human. I agree that the Keeper Aquilus you meet in New Atlantis is most likely the Pilgrim in your universe. The single greatest clue is the last one: how he manages to pull Indum out of Infinite Addendum. While it's your character that makes the final connection between "in" and dum" after he finally narrows it down to that, it's such an impossible riddle that nobody would naturally figure it out. He knew. He always knew.

Good old chaos theory. No matter how many time you repeat something perfectly, there COULD be minuscule changes or major ones that show up.

In a multiverse somewhere, at some point somehow one way or another everyone eventually will be a starborn that both simultaneously. succeeds into infinity and falls unto oblivion.

7:40 "To me it feels like the Pilgrim is us" ... - According to the emissary and the hunter , it is the first time the Player Character Survived for so long and gains the right for the Unity. - That said , with non-linearity of time in mind ... everything is possible.

In my interpretation of the starborn is that you're pretty much a demigod with all the dialogue I have seen in my new game plus They make it sound like you're no longer human

I thought the Pilgrim was the doctor who developed the grav drive. I thought I saw a note that said that the Pilgrim would show you what happened to him by going to Earth.

Seems that you are describing "Q" from Star Trek, in this context he makes sense, the "Quorum" is himself from different future stages that came together in this current universe to provide control over this versions insane dealings with "humanity".

I wonder who else is a secret starborn like the keeper. Maybe vae victus? He always seemed like he knew/could accomplish too much for someone in his position to me.

I went to ng+ after playing about 60 hours. Personally i stopped at ng8 because I liked the look of that suit the best. (The gold cloak on ng9 is pretty snazzy but for now i didnt want the cloak) While I do enjoy the way they've switched up new playthroughs and added additional things, i think they should've done a bit more. The powers should level up simply by passing through the unity imo. Temple grind is so horrible and i only leveled most powers up to v and vi. The guardian ship (even the best one) is honestly not that great. I was eager to build my own and the sad part is that we cant sell or delete it so it takes up one of our 10 ship slots forever. We also sacrifice up to 6 legendary effects from our pack and helm since theyre all part of the suit in ng+. Funny thing is the hunter is just leaning against the wall in viewport next to the bounty kiosk, and it appears to be a female variant of the hunter suit. Once mods come to xbox I will max out my powers the rest of the way. Really wish we could change our background or traits as well as access the first page of character creation at enhance!

You turn into the pilgrim. I did anyway. I ran through 10 NG+ games. Didn't build outposts or ships. Now that ive gained all the power and knowledge im ready to make this my forever universe lol.

So the hunter tells you he spent time on earth before its destruction. Which means he likely became starborn in his universe "decades before" we do in our universe. Another question I've been having is, how does time work in this multiverse? How far back do you enter another universe? It seems like the player enters universes shortly after touching their first artifact. Does that mean the hunter always enters a universe when earth is still liveable? Does that mean theres always at least 2 hunters in every universe? One to be the keeper, to start the religion and one as the hunter?

I’m more curious about when you ask yourself at the unity who made it etc. your unity self responds maybe someday you will learn of them or meet them; the creators

I’ve gone through unity 10 times, went back and killed both the Hunter and Emissary and took their weapons. Now I just cruise, bc no one can touch me. Phased time X is just broken and feels god like. So crazy man.

The insurance guy is the creator of everything. lol

0:13 [Killing the sanitation bot] ...How DARE you!

So in our universe, the hunter would be stuck in our 1st universe because we went to the unity and he didn't? And the hunter in the second one and so on are different ones from different universes... Is that right?

I thought it was the Grav Drive guy, thats the only other Starborn we know of who was around when humanity first started expanding out from Earth.

They are The Eggmen. I am the Walrus. We are the Unity.

They could easily create a DLC with some "evil" wanting to destroy, break or end, or conquer the unity, and so the Starborns would now be forced to defend, protect as guardians the unity. The end of Unity could probably be the end of everything, of all parallel universes, Or something like that, it would be really cool. If the villain was a being like Darkseid or Thanos it would be really cool.

There is also collaborating evidence that when you enter a new universe is not constant in terms of when you arrive in time. The scientist that found the Martian artifact talked to a version of himself, that talked of the settled systems. So how did a scientist before the creation of the grav drive reach the far edges of known space to gain the artifacts with no infrastructure? Obviously in his original universe they reached the stars earlier. And he had obviously reach unity multiple times that showed him the settled systems. So when he met "himself" he told him about the grav drive and the worlds humanity settled. This only works if the universes you arrive in are varied in timeline. Also the terrible result of the grav drive could have been a slight variation between universes where this guy's universe the grav drive equations as given, didn't result in tragedy so he had no idea what he set in motion in the universes we visit. There is also evidence that Emissary is not constant either as the person who is the emissary changes. So "who" the pilgrim is also become moot because it likely can change. I wouldn't be surprised that if Bethesda had the time or budget the keeper would sometimes use a different voice actor and model as well as the hunter. But doing so would require significant cost and why it practically is not implemented in the game. I have played the game so much that i have come to the same feelings of the pilgrim about the unity. I have put aside the game until the creation kit and/or the dlc is released. When you have done unity well over a dozen times closer to 20 than not and played the faction quests multiple times there feel a certain futility about entering the unity. My last save is currently in the unity. [Ironically I have never gotten the odd universes that you can get have.] I would like to see more of these "special" version created with each DLC.

i don’t feel like we are the pilgrim because i can remember the hunter saying that in any other universe we had never made it this far. implying in every other universe our player character has died along the way.

Edited: ope….I made this comment before you touched on it in your video haha. It might have been the edible I had before playing last night, but reading the pilgrims writings made me think that these writings are Bethesda’s way of teaching and trying to hype the player up to doing multiple new game plus runs.

So new game+ i cant sell my survey reports to vald..... i can only sell to the nerdy book guy in some bars aslong as long as i have 1 habitable survey "animal and plant planets so always save 1," you can sell every other survey just save the one habitable to prompt the sell menu

I read a lot that the writing is bad for this game. I totally disagree, starfield is such a refreshing story, unlike the father and son story from fallout 3 and 4. I find myself enjoying story

My problem is I went NG+6, then played about 140hrs. Now, that im lvl 130, Id like to go through NG+ again to level powers, but I also want to change traits.... which you cant do, that sucks. I hope they change it, you should be able to revamp the whole character every NG+, I mean you can litterally go get a sex change in any major city, why can't I try to get parents, and an anoying fan in NG+ 😅? I might just wait 2 years, and replay it with 100mods. I had a love/hate relationship with this game, one of the biggest problems for me always doing piracy or "evil" playthroughs is that Nothing you do really matters, and that all major fleshed out companions are goodie 2 shoes with the same moral compass. Even Andreja which makes no sense as a Varuun(killing innocent ppl), and former smuggler/criminal, I cant even steal a ship without her flipping me off, and when you fly with the whole crew on board, they all flip off when you shoot or pirate a trader.

Bethesda: no, fallout and starfield are set in the same universe The multiverse:

Spoilers for those who actually wants to know who is the pilgrim. Its the Keeper he even tells you it if you return to him after talking having the meeting with the emissary and hunter.

I felt quite a bit of stoic philosophy in the pilgrim's writings.

What about the Adoring Fan?

This quote about where god is found feels relevant to the overall story of Starfield, the theme of unity, and the character arc of the pilgrim "We don't have to withdraw from the world into a quiet place in order to find God. God's footprints can be found everywhere. In our work and our relationships, in our family and friends, in our sorrows and joys, in the sublime beauty of nature and in the mundane details of our daily lives"

In my head, Dr. Victor Aiza is the Pilgram. Or at least A Pilgram.

Two of the three religions of this game certainly is space around the unity, but the information was diluted

Got dialogue of the hunter calling himself; the great “hunter” . Any thoughts

Is it possible the pilgrim could be a starborn version of Sebastian Banks?

I don't know.. I can totally understand that it's very possible that we are the Pilgrim... But it sounds too much like The Hunter. As if to say, everyone becomes a Hunter through madness... The Hunter actually states that he was alive when Earth was still alive so he's definitely one of the oldest. And he eventually quit being the Hunter to enjoy his final universe and help others like it's said.. I'm writing and listening at the same time it's playing so yea... The Hunter is the Pilgrim. But I believe that Aquilas isn't a different version but instead a retired Hunter... After so long of not seeing significant change, you can only kill for so long before you finally give up. If he's been doing this for so long.. it's very possible where 2 Starborn of the same person can arrive in the same universes.

The Pilgrim, and the person you see at the Unity, should have been Sebastian Banks.

Why does the Starborn ship have so much emptiness. No furniture or workshops. Sucks huge balls.

We should be able to keep the stuff in our starborn ships

I feel like these writings and Earth basically being destroyed by an artifact should have been a huge red flag for our explorer group. I wish some options would gave opened up later where you could actively reject the Unity and close off access to it forever somehow. I just think it’d be a really cool and rewarding choice for those of us that felt our current universe and the people we met were enough. I love the game but the current ending if you walk away is “ I’m not going in….yet but the option is always there”. I find that your romantic partners all pretty much say “We can be together for a while but curiosity will win out eventually”. The cool thing is it would have been cool if this had been the universe where it didn’t. As Altair in Assassin’s Crees Revelations said “If only had the humility to say I have learned enough for one lifetime”. Given what happens at the end, i think the Pilgrim was right. I doubt it will happen, but maybe one day we’ll get the chance to have our rejection of the unity really carry narrative weight.

was the pilgrim not the keeper / hunter? he's clearly been around the longest

Thanks. Amazing compilation, mate. So … are there 4 Starborn peoples? Is player the the only one since they can see the future? And most importantly: can we ride dragons?😂

As a sound technician, I'm having a hard time paying attention to your content- there is too much low end in the vocals and not enough 1k-10khz. I have to EQ my car stereo to listen on the road :( Script and Video editing is really good. More midrange in your voice will really help capture auditorial attention better

I don't really hate it when media goes into a multiverse but I feel like with Rick and Morty where they just make the whole concept very nihilistic kind of boring, so I actually like the more positive spin Bethesda gave it.

Honestly Sanctum Universum is probably the closest to a real religion in a game. The concept I can genuinely believe, if there is a god I doubt they are bounded to earth as we aren’t the only star in the Black Sea and I doubt we are the only sentient life out there with their own gods and religions.

the hunter and emissary you can get to reveal themselves but I would say based off lines in the game the pilgrim was someone different or even the guy who created humans ability to jump

The player is the Pilgrim.

Bro what am I missing something, the hunter pilgrim and keeper are all the same person… the keeper himself admits it

I am playing for one month trying to find a sense and purpose of this game.

Because who sends you on thr pilgrims voyage is way more important

Schrödinger unity

I talked to keep aquilis after I became starborn and found out he’s a starborn too. I think he might be the pilgrim himself. The story matches too much. I’m surprised nobody had thought this yet.

I thought the Pilgrim was the Hunter?

The Unity is most certainly not indifferent. If it was it wouldn't create Starborn. It does create Starborn, so clearly it wants Starborn to exist. And I mean, Starborn get special ships and special spacesuits and everything. It's not even just powers. It talks to you, says some vague shit, and then gives you a new ship and suit. There's obvious intent here.

I'm living one life 😌....

After having to go through the same bullshit 10 times and then having to grind again to get my same old ship back I'm starting to feel like fuck this game. But after I get my ship, maybe the game will start being fun again

The pilgrim is Benjamin bayu

Pretty sure bethesda cut alot of content out for the shatter dlc. It would explain why a main base or anything for the varuun never shows up and why so many other star systems are empty. Or shitty game design i guess