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He could have simply used an early version of the curse on james that was not yet as effective as the later version though

I think the gash WAS caused by sectum sempra, sort of; Snape was still working on the curse when he did that & that's why it was so much weaker

@@hullutsuhna so you repeat what I just said in differtent words ??

@@daftwulli6145 it's only a repeat if I was aware of your comment when I posted mine, isn't it? You aren't special, if you can think of an explanation for something, there's no reason to think no-one else can come to the same conclusion on their own.

Maybe but even then, not all of them are good spells you should use on people

I think the point everyone is trying to make is that Harry used improved formulae only available to him and him alone, a clear advantage over every other student. If Harry had tried experimenting with modifying potion formulae on his own time, that would have been fine; why folks are upset is because Harry didn't work for the advantage he got. It's like forgetting the Pythagorean theorem in the middle of a math exam, then turning over the piece of paper they give you to do your work on and somebody wrote it there before you got it. Unfair, no?

@@BigCJ yeah maybe

Harry did offer to share it with Ron and Hermione; but Ron had difficulty reading the writing and Hermione was so blinkered in her thinking that she could not conceive that a textbook could either be full of errors or be improved upon. Stupid really, for a supposedly-intelligent indifidual. I had no hesitation in correcting my teachers if I found an error, even in primary school, and even if I got into trouble. I always turned out to be correct.With an attitude like that from my best mate, I would have kept it quiet too.@@BigCJ

Don't get me wrong, folks, I'm playing devil's advocate here. OP didn't understand why someone would think using the Prince's textbook was cheating, and I posed one possible viewpoint. Personally, I think Harry was right to keep it secret from those not close to him. Ron and Hermione not gleaning knowledge from that book was their own problem. In life, if you can get an advantage, you take it. His "natural talent" for potion-brewing as well as winning the felix felicis drew Slughorn close enough to Harry for him to draw out the horcrux memory for Dumbledore.

Yeah

People don't understand books at all. Only sektumsempra was Snape spell. Levicorpus was just popular spell at that year used for example by James Potter on Snape himself

@@alibabapirce9782 “you dare use my own *spells* against me, Potter?” Spells…plural. Those are Snape’s own creation. Harry specifically mentions that there are many notes of trial and errors in making Levicorpus in Prince’s book.

​@alibabapirce9782 you are clearly the one who dosent understand the books buddy

dark and light are the different sides of a same coin. Violent sure, but so are many other spells, more violent than death curse wich is basicly euthanasia

damn thats wild but i think it would fit book severus

Great theory

Dark! I like it.

That actually fits way better because then gets to swoop in and console Lilly and gets rid of Remus and James, solving 3 problems at once all with one spell, genius.

And the Snaters never fail to disappoint.

Sounds about right

much like a sword, the novice hacks away wildly while the expert is much more precise and under control. great point

Could’ve been a predecessor or prototype of sectumsempra. Maybe he intended it to do what harry did but it hadn’t been perfected

Harry Potter is also lucky he didn't end up killing Draco Malfoy with Sectusempra. My guess is Severus Snape used inanimate objects to practice Sectusempra on first just to practice before he used it to defend himself. And unlike The Torture Curse (Crucio) and The Killing Curse (Avada Kedavra), Sectusempra has the Counter-Spell Vulnera Sanentur as long as the latter is used early to prevent the victim from bleeding out.

yes you can have intent during the casting and not have intent 1 second later.

The fight after the owl Harry said Snape did some spell did not know what it was though because it was no verbal and James's shoulders started bleeding it was probably that but since Snape was 15 or 16 at the time not staring enough to do too much damage. Harry at 16 is advanced when it comes to wizardry powers could be since Voldmort was technically inside of him.

@@katv1195 Exactly. Makes much sense. Specially when he was able to cure Draco after Harry was so reckless by using the curse sectum sempra on him. D*nm man! Snape was such a brilliant wizard. Too bad he excelled the most in the dark arts.

Snape uses sectumsempra against James during the “Snape’s Worst Memory” chapter in book 5, if I’m not mistaken. It could have been a glancing blow, which would have accounted for it not being as severe as when Harry uses it against Draco. It kills me how some people are always making excuses for Snape. Let’s face it - He was not a nice guy.

@@MsAppassionataI disagree, I think Snape was a very nice and gentle person. So much so that the bullying he received left him scarred. He is definitely nasty to Harry and to people he doesn’t like, but think about the nature and I mean his true nature… He was offended when Phineas Nigelus calls Hermione a Mud-blood why? Because it echoed his words to Lilly Potter, thus he felt remorse. He felt remorse about telling Voldemort the prophecy and sought help from Dumbledore. A truly evil person does not feel any remorse. Prime example Tom Riddle and his last confrontation with Harry. He refused to feel remorse and his soul was lost because of it. He mistreated and hated Harry yes, because Harry looked so much like his father James Potter and that’s one of the guys who not only tormented him but put him in his debt for “saving his life” from Remus Lupin’s were-wolf form and thus playing the hero which eventually led to Lilly seeing James as a decent man. Harry was a constant reminder of what he could have had with Lilly Evans. Instead it was James. And it was James all over again the minute Harry came back to school. “Mediocre, arrogant as his father….” Everything always went back to James. His loathing of him. Anyone that respected Snape he was pretty nice to as far as adults go.

@@jeffreycruz-sanchez6042 Oh please! Another Snape fanboy. Snape did not just bully Harry. He exhibited horrible behavior towards Neville and Hermione. What did they ever do to him to warrant such treatment? He called Lily a mudblood and, though he apologized for calling her that, she rejected him because she had seen him do exactly the same thing with other people before her, and was sick of it. He was always interested in the dark arts, even before going to school, and liked hanging out with future death eaters once he got there. When he heard the prophecy and ran to tell Voldemort, he didn’t care about the family who would die as a result of his snitching, until he found out it was the Potters. Even so, he still didn’t care if Voldemort killed James and Harry, just so long as he spared Lily. I never said that I thought he was a totally irredeemable character. However, that does NOT make him a nice person either. He is what is called an anti-hero. He possesses some good, but also some very bad qualities. Unlike you though, I refuse to let him off the hook for some of the nasty things he does, especially in the books.

Exactly. And even as an adult, it seems clear that lupin didn't have access to Wolfsbane until he taught at Hogwarts.

Wolfsbane has been around for a long time, even post medieval England, There just probably was no Wolfsbane Potion invented yet during the Marauders' time as Hogwarts students and before that time and it is a hard potion to make with unpracticed hands anyway. For a potion's master of open ideas, Prof. Horace Slughorn is not very inventive with his potions, that is why the true masters in potion making are the ones who could come up with new brews all the time; As mean as Snape can be, he is the true Potion's Master of the two of them.

I see it as maybe a protection spell for Lilly as she would have started to hang out with them a little more. And maybe he thought he’d have to protect himself and her

I thought he scarred himself.

@@fatuusdottore; Most of the more fresh scars on lupin were self-inflicted except for the ones that were left by Buckbeak defensively in Harry Potter's 3rd year, and the old scars that have faded overtime and we could not see too well were the scars left by Greyback from when Lupin was a little boy. So, not all scars were self-inflicted but most of them were.

It would be a really cool spinoff of the harry potter show coming out. They could have at least 2-3 seasons of just them. However, I really don't want to see how badly they treat Snape if they do make it. Snape was just constantly bullied by them and he really didnt do anything to deserve it. Harry's dad, and Serius was just a dick.

No we dont. Who would write it? Rowling? With her weird PC propaganda bits and bogus character retcons? Nah. We definitely dont need that. You can only milk a franchise for content so much before it becomes stale and repetitive.

Yes Rowling. Rowling every day. ​@@thevoicestoldmetoagain4627

😂😂😂 She wrote the series, if you don't like her or her work, buzz off

100% agree! I would love that! Or a game from the creators of Hogwarts Legacy!

I thought so too

Severus as an adult had gained some wisdom, perspective and finely honed skills. After Lilly's death when the evil of Voldemort's way affected him personally, he rejected the death dealing Dark Arts.

That only happened in the movie. In the book Snape was unconscious.

Did Snape even have his wand on him when he stepped out of the tunnel? Hard to use the spell if he didn’t have his wand

@craigjohnson2301 no he didn't have his wand. Harry had disarmed him in the shrieking shack when he threatened Sirius and Lupin.

@judithnelson1581 actually the dark arts still compelled him. That's why Dumbledore kept him from being the DADA professor for so long. It was such a temptation to Snape, he was worried.

I agree. I think that's most likely

Could be, but I also feel like Snape would have kept it for himself. It may be in the period of time he was a real death eater, and trusted tho. I at least don’t know of more spells that cuts like a sword, and is also not possible to heal for the most part

Lets all continue to ignore the fact that Draco was a terrorist at this point who had almost murdered two students in an effort to assasinate Dumbledore and cast an unforgiveable at Harry in that fight. While I'm sure Harry wouldn't feel the difference, that's self defence all over.

​@@adamhughes4387 I agree with you. Harry was correct and his friends were wrong about Draco being a Death Eater. After all Regulus received his Dark Mark with his family's approval "around the age of sixteen" that's what happened to Draco as punishment for his father's failure after the prophecy orb was destroyed at the Ministry. Draco was then given an impossible task to make up for Lucius failure to kill Albus. He like Regulus was placed in a dangerous situation as a very young dark wizard.

I think you have to bear in mind that Hogwarts was appallingly understaffed and under-funded. There weren't enough teachers, not enough hours in the day, and the House Heads would also have been expected to double as house staff providing pastoral care. I have read that one fan-writer estimated that Snape and McGonagall, with all their duties, would each have been working 80-100 hours per week. Even living on-site this is an enormous workload. NO wonder teachers missed things which happened under their very noses. Sometimes, it pays to consider that it is systems and cultures which are at fault, rather than simply individuals.

@@kyleethekelt And yet they knew when student were somewhere they shouldn't. What culture or system was at fault when Snape was bullied to the extent of making deadly curses to retaliate? Or Neville into thinking he was worthless as a wizard? No, a bully is a person not a system.

​@@trolletuva if we are going to be completely honest I'd find bullying to be an understatement. I mean using the dark magical artifact the mairaders map to spy on Snape's every move? Dangling him in the air publicly while stripping off his cloths? That's a little more severe than just bullying. I think I have a couple of possible explanations on why James was never expelled. 1). Perhaps it would have made no difference. James Potter comes from a very wealthy family and if expelled he might continue his friendship with the mairaders and just graduate at a different school with the remaining mairaders deciding to blame Snape and make him suffer for the explusion. 2) perhaps it wasn't possible to expell James, even if James did enough bad to be expelled several times over we must remember that Hogwarts is not exclusive and is like a wizard community college for everyone. Plus with James parents being possibly richer than the malfoys it's not impossible that they might have connections and explusion was just simply not possible unless they commit serious crimes. Pun intended. 3) it wasn't a popular decision. One reason why so many Slytherin joined the death eaters was because of all the people like James Potter. Slytherin was the least favored and the least important house with the common rooms being in the dungeons. Many people Sirius black included were perfectly fine with punishing people like Snape for the crime of being sorted into Slytherin. And with several house leaders being loyal to there house perhaps Dumbledore was just given to much push back. James Potter broke all the rules and deserved to be expelled but he was only meen to the Slytherin who no one cared about, had friends, rich family and was a quidditch star. So perhaps Dumbledore couldn't expell James cause there was too much resistance. But seeing that Snape was around Hogwarts while professor I can see the future applies for her job suggests that Snape might have been hired immediately after graduation. So perhaps by making Snape a professor at Hogwarts and by not hiring any of the marauders perhaps that was Dumbledores way of granting justice for Snape. While simultaneously losing James trust

​@@trolletuvabut what do you think, why do you think James was never expelled?

@@professorsassafras The only reason I can see besides the money/power aspect is that he in fact saved Snape from Sirius' evil "joke". But they should both have been expelled. Or at least punished in some way.

i thought it was sirius that believed snap me deserved it? maybe i’m just remembering wromg

I'm pretty sure that this is all a one-sided hate on the marauders. People sit here and say Snape didn't deserve it. Snape was hanging around the future death eaters and called Lily a mud blood. Snape was not the tragic hero, but a redeemed villain don't forget this. The marauders probably wouldn't care about Snape but his love for Lily made him hate James. I would put money down that if you traced the bullying it would have started from Snape being an ass hat. Not saying the marauders were right simply that it was a Draco and Harry situation where we only see Snape humanized because he was the one that needed redemption. Again he was the genocide guy until Voldemort went after someone he didn't want him to and even then he was ok as long as he only killed Harry and James.

@@derndabest and that’s the way i see it, i don’t get why people just assume snaps was innocent when he was all for the genocide of mudbloods and half breeds (except lilly).

while he loved lily. it wasny that james stole her . i think he was just so happy to have an actual frjend. and when she betrayes hjm by not standing up to james on his behalf. thats what hurt him so mucb. letting to the final arguement between snape and lily.

Lily and James started dating at the end of 7th year but we see a proto version of Sectumsempra in Snape’s Worst Memory, Lily did not cut ties with him by then.

@@mojaeche8046she did tell off James during the flashback and then Snape called Lilly a mudblood. So you’re wrong on that. Just read the book

@@mojaeche8046 Lily did stand up to James for him and he called her a mudblood for it.

In other words, the Marauders' cruelty to him made Snape Snap! You're right about the scarring, though. I still have a scar on my finger from a cut that I gave myself at age 2 when I managed to get ahold of a safety razor, almost 40 years ago.

@@DamonNomad82 They do tend to stick around.

I feel like James really did it for Remus then save Snape from Remus.

Muggles would call them lacerations.

Maybe

Cheers!

This, though some of Remus's scars still could be self inflicted as Werewolf bites/scratches are considered cursed by their very nature (case in point Bill Weasely's scarred face). However, in Prisoner of Azkaban (book) it was strongly hinted by Lupin himself that Snape already had suspicions about Lupin being a werewolf well before his discovery but never had solid proof until Sirius decided on leading him to the Whomping Willow as a prank. If Hermione could uncover the truth about Lupin so easily, it must have been just as easy for Snape to discover the secret, too, as he was equally as book-smart. It's possible that Snape used the spell against Lupin that night Sirius led him to the Shrieking Shack as self defence until James was able to save him.

The original sixth movie got it wrong, later they just went along with it. The book never named the counterspell Snape used, but it's described as quite a long one to say.

Rubbish. Comments like yours make me realize that perhaps it will be much better if there was a prequel centred around James Potter being the main/central character in a story about either the Potter family or the Marauders under James's POV. Maybe that way, it will shut up haters like you for good.

Yep👍🏼

@@paulyb7267 He was a swine, too bad Severus couldnt gets his revenge

Thank-you!

Whilst I agree given all the information in the books alone. We still watched the video

he used it for the same reason that it's easily traceable to him: It's his signature spell and he needs Voldemort and the Death Eaters to believe he's actually fighting on their side, Its effective enough that it shows he's fighting but also not damaging enough that it would kill or severely harm anyone unless he fully intended to. He planned to use the same excuse as why it hit Georges ear. "I was aiming for Moody/the Harry we were chasing but it just accidentally hit you.. sorry about your hand here's the counter curse to stop the bleeding"

Rowling isn’t a reliable narrator tbh. She says Peter was a coward but then shows that SIRIUS betrayed the Potters by telling Peter about their location, as well as showing that he was easily the most powerful person in the group other than James. Honestly Sirius was KNOWN to be the Secret Keeper and it was a charm that continued on upon death, unless you told the secret, which he did, to Peter. So I don’t care if Rowling confirmed anything bc she changes her story ALLLLLL the time.

@@lynnerose7891 Except Sirius WASN'T the secret keeper Peter was. Sirius convinced James to pick Peter because everyone would assume he'd pick Sirius thus making any potential threat against the Potters waste their time trying to pry out a secret from Sirius that wasn't his to give. Also you clearly don't understand how the fidelius charm works (neither did Sirius based on his suggestion) because the way it works isn't that once the Keeper reveals the secret to anyone that same person can then go on and tell more people, only the Keeper can share the secret doesn't matter who or how many he tells until the charm is lifted or the secret being protected is destroyed somehow only the secret keeper can disclose it noone else who knows can. Also it has to be given willingly and can't be tortured or otherwise forced out of them (not even with legilimancy) making Sirius argument for making Peter the Keeper moot but plot has to plot. Peter could have told any Death Eater and they could not have told Voldemort where the Potters lived nor could they have brought him there cause he wouldn't see the house or the Potters.

Likely for James his sworn enemy And for Remus..a werewolf who he suspected since third year..

I wouldn’t be surprised if he used it on him he was always trying to get them back for bullying him

It seems likely that he did use it because Remus recognises the spell in book 7 when Snape accidentally damages George’s ear. He says it’s his specialty.

@@ackerose ya true

If I remember correctly he uses Sectumsempra on James in book 5 during Snape’s Worst Memory, he doesn’t say it by name but he shoots a spell at James that makes his neck start bleeding

The Levicorpus incident happened in their 5th year whilst the willow incident I'm almost sure happend in 6th.

@@adamhughes4387 (I think I replied to you already by I can't see my reply anymore... maybe because I included a link in it?) Anyway, as I said, I based that on a timeline I saw on the HP lexicon which placed the WW incident before the levicorpus one. They have notes there why they did that. And I have now reread the relevant part in Deathly Hallows to verify it (I thought my book was elsewhere at first but I checked the bookcase and it was there 🤪). In Snape's memories in ch. 33, Lily and Snape did talk about the WW incident ("And you're being ungrateful. I heard what happened the other night. You went sneaking down that tunnel by the Whomping Willow, and James Potter saved you from whatever's down there--"). And Snape said James did it to save himself and his friends, etc. This was the time Lily called James a toerag which made Snape happy... Then the next memory is the levicorpus one, where Snape called Lily a Mudblood in the end... And then the next memory is Snape trying to apologize to Lily but she has had enough... ... ... So, yeah, I agree with the lexicon in putting the WW incident before the levicorpus one, even though it was apparently believed prior to the DH release that the WW incident happened just before 7th year (therefore 6th year) before James was made Head Boy.

@@opsatr well fair enough then, I was convinced the WW was 6th and Levicorpus 5th but I didn't have a copy to hand to check. Still not sure how convinced I am about Sectumsempra being for Lupin but the timeline at least fits for it.

Its established that the book is from his time as a student. Even still, sectumsempra isn't his spell, it's just one he copied down. Again, this is established in the books, but it seems no one who makes Harry Potter content on KZfaq has actually read the books...

@@bipolarminddroppings wrong he created the spells and they weren’t from any other book

"on his face": did Harry hit his face with the spell? Snape healed Draco with the countercurse, so maybe the latter didn't scare?