The Real Story Behind ATF's Deadly Gunrunning Scandal 'Operation Fast & Furious' I IRONCLAD

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Today Vince takes a deep dive into the fast and furious gun-running scandal with guest Pete Forcelli.
He is widely known as a whistleblower for the Operation Fast and Furious scandal and wrote the book ⁠The Deadly Path: How Operation Fast & Furious and Bad Lawyers Armed Mexican Cartels ⁠ Pete served for 15 years with the N.Y.P.D prior to joining the U.S. Department of Justice, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, where he retired as d Deputy Assistant Director.
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@rdsmith334 19 күн бұрын

“What they did was terrible, I tried to fix it, I was threatened”… continues working for the ATF for another 10 years. THEN writes a book and tries to portray himself as a hero/victim?! This man has the moral character of a used car salesman. What a joke. Dude is a POS.

@kochj0713 15 күн бұрын

So you mean everybody that has a thread of dignity or a thread of patriotism should just leave because they see something bad and then all you have left = communist that have no trouble firing on US citizens?

@mechadonia 11 күн бұрын

The ATF is an enemy of the human race

@jasonbourne1596 9 күн бұрын

Sounds like he was in on a good part of the illegal government operations starting with the twin tower's falling and on our till fast and furious, so he does know what really went down but still lies about it all because that's what cowards do. It was operation fast and furious because they were trying to arm the cartels fast and furious like., which they obviously did actually. These same people would arrest and have someone for selling a couple of personal guns at a gun show. Yet they let those guns walk on purpose knowing it was for the cartel. No telling what other things he was in on we don't even know about yet.

@Patriotx-gx4ce 6 күн бұрын

Typical Federal employee attitude. ATF's priority is targeting law abiding middle class particularly White males. Statistics and their operations show this as thousands of OTW's are on the streets, gangs operating daily and committing all kinds of violence with illegal firearms. I still remeber 90's when one of the Blood Gang members said they were "finding crates full of guns in back alleys and streets", and they never knew where they came from kinda like pallets of pawers and bricks placed on streets prior to BLM and ANTIFA riots few years back.

@mcfivedad Ай бұрын

Dude stays with the agency for 20yrs after F&F…all you need to know.

@invictusbp1prop143 16 күн бұрын

BTW. It hasn't even been 20 years since the F&F/gun walking operation and scandal. Jus sayin...

@mcfivedad 16 күн бұрын

@@invictusbp1prop143 indeed, only 18yrs since the start of it.

@kochj0713 15 күн бұрын

Well, in the case of good versus evil if you take and remove all good people from the government then what is left I believe that’s evil so you gotta have people staying even though evil is around

@growing367 9 күн бұрын

Blackmailed, threatened, wants to keep career and probably has no choice

@jasonbourne1596 9 күн бұрын

@@invictusbp1prop143Maybe not but the twin towers fell, he was there by his own admittance, and he must know that was an inside job too. His whole carrier is crooked BS from 911 to fast and furious.

@HellcatMad Ай бұрын

Now we learn our own "representatives" work with the cartel.

@75Prelives Ай бұрын

ATF needs to go away.

@matthewpamatian4853 Ай бұрын

But the American gov. should stay. Cos it's only just the illegal 4th branch of government.. not the rest of it who created and implemented the unconstitutional administrative state.

@daviddemand6856 Ай бұрын

ATF is doing just a bad, if not worse, today. I see no reason for BATFE to continue to exist. We have US Marshall’s to handle federal issues, and for now the FBI, but I feel that the FBI should go away, or be diminished to a very specific and small force.

@user-hu8we3ii7k 29 күн бұрын

Have you ever looked into how the ATF came to be? It was originally a branch of what became the IRS. It's kind of an interesting and eye opening look at bureaucratic expansionism and governmental mission creep.

@NoStepOnNeck 25 күн бұрын

@@user-hu8we3ii7kthats the downfall of the north winning the civil war. Federal government’s power grew.

@user-yo5jx1kd4z 24 күн бұрын

You are a pollyanna if you don't know organized crime and munitions for terror won't flood the country without specialized investigation and enforcement forces. This isn't 1812. Battles aren't by militias firing from behind cotton bails. And now we're adding a much newsws Space Force and Cyber command. Because it's not 1940.

@jasonhull5712 9 күн бұрын

@@NoStepOnNeckONE of the many downfalls.. Government grows, that’s the only reason it exists. To grow and assume total control over every aspect of everyone’s lives.. the constitution was-is the only real tangible obstacle in its path. And if you look closely you will find the government seems to be chipping away at that document on a daily basis in every aspect that continues to lead to LESS freedoms. More taxes. More misrepresentation. More division. More of what we don’t need, and less of what we do need… All of which leads more corruption and the cycle continues.

@savic408 Ай бұрын

Anyone who wants to go work for the ATF is already suspicious!

@allisadavis87 11 күн бұрын

Who's going to tell this ATF agent that you know it's not constitutional to remove people's firearms

@Fm-ss4uj Ай бұрын

Fast and furious never ended operation just changed names.I had intel as far back as 2008. This was going on, and as recent as 2023.The name of the game is control and the cartels are most definitely in the pocket as they say.

@jayn9559 Ай бұрын

Lovely, prime example of " our government wouldn't do that!?"

@jesusmonge8981 Ай бұрын

You didn’t even read the man’s book before bringing him on. I checked out after that one 😂

@seththebeatmxchine 13 күн бұрын

Yeah i thought that was a bad look too. This one wasn't great

@Bighitter03 10 күн бұрын

Why would you buy his book and give him money he spent most of his life sitting on the constitution

@Len_M. Ай бұрын

My family vacationed in Puerto Vallarta during the last week of March 1993, where a shootout occurred the prior November at the Christine Nightclub. Sinaloa Cartel gunmen, disguised as police, massacred Tijuana Cartel members and partygoers. We arrived shortly after, and if you hadn’t known about the incident, you never would have guessed anything from how the locals acted. This incident sparked the all-out war between the cartels

@James_Edward59 Ай бұрын

They went to kill or capture the Arellano brothers because it was Benjamin’s birthday party and Chapo was there with the Sinaloan crew that went to capture them. They actually did capture one of the brothers and the other got away even though they let him go later on.

@sweetla4750 12 күн бұрын

Imagine it now

@growing367 9 күн бұрын

It's like Narcos

@Len_M. 9 күн бұрын

@@sweetla4750 I’m not sure I’d go to PV for Vacation now with Jalisco New Generation operating in that area, and they are especially violent.

@amymegginson-uz7jj 19 күн бұрын

I am always surprised at the true HEROES you find. Thank you both for your service. QUESTION: I have a question for your guest!!! Who can I notify if a DA's office refuses to do their job by prosecuting an evident murder?( same situation in same place on 48 Hours)

@gregd4391 17 күн бұрын

Great interview. Very informative.

@thisisironclad 17 күн бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

@gmmk815 Ай бұрын

Dude can’t even articulate what an actual straw purchase is.

@CrashingPotatoEngineer Ай бұрын

I've listened to this multiple times now. Great interview!

@sgtfish9646 16 күн бұрын

The ATF should and abolished. Defund the ATF

@canz7344 28 күн бұрын

I feel like there was si much more information Pete had that he was willing to share. He was so interesting I feel like 45 mins does not do a justice. You definitely should bring him back for a full podcast including his life in NYC aswell.

@maegenyoungs2591 21 күн бұрын

I worked in a body shop in port orchard Wa, and personally seen 3 guys using the shop after hours. Hiding guns in the big foam bumpers on dodge mini vans. They would put about 6 long guns in each car. And around 8 pistols if they only did pistols. They would cut the big foam crash bar in half. Set the guns down on one side. Then spray lacquer thinner over them. And wait. It would melt the shape partially. Then dump the guns off and start carving the shapes out. And someone would dip the guns in oil and hang them. Then they would spray oil in ziplock bags. Tape them up and place in the bumper. And use deck screws to put back together and reinstall. They bought every model of that at auction they could. Get them across, and swap plates on same color and return empty. And do it over again. They were probably getting around 120 guns a month across the border. They even started taking hairspray and covering the bumper bolts. And using a electric leaf blower to pump dust to stick

@brianhersey9745 29 күн бұрын

want an illegal gun or the best drugs? find an ATF agent.

@jonny_chain1970 Ай бұрын

🤘🤘🤘 love watching everything you do brother.

@user-yo5jx1kd4z Ай бұрын

This is a side of the Fast and Furious story I have not heard. This is why I watch this channel.

@joseywales8257 25 күн бұрын

@user-yo5jx1kd4z Unfortunately you still are in the dark, the Fast & Furious the rest of us participated in, in no way resembles what's being said here. The ENTIRE operation was monitored and documented the by the Pentagon. I can go out on a limb and say no Pentagon officials were interviewed for this podcasts. 2,000 guns ??? Yes that many were moved in the first 30 days.

@lguill05 Ай бұрын

Awesome guest! Not like the DEA guy that was biased and spewed politics.

@wesman7837 Ай бұрын

Well, in case you haven't noticed, almost ALL of our alphabet agencies have been politicized, and corrupted to the core! Most of them are so bad they need to be abolished and disbanded! The ATF, FBI, CIA, IRS, DHS, EPA, DOJ, FDA, CDC, NIH, HHS, and I'm sure people can think of several other's like the federal reserve and the TSA that should NEVER have existed in the first place!

@loadsmart158grainhp Ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing, I really enjoy this channel and the information it provides.

@azhanmansor7331 Ай бұрын

This guy was a 1st responder during 911, and then got lung cancer?? U should ask him WHY and HOW did he + thousands others got cancer!!! There were some i journalists who really cared did investigate it at the time.. But was stopped by the powers that be.. and just like he said ATF administrators told not to speak on Fast n Furious, the then mayor of NY city also was ordered to order al thel 1st responders never speak about anything they really encountered at the site on those days...

@vagrantwanderer 29 күн бұрын

the towers had asbestos, unfortunately

@utterbraindamage250 Ай бұрын

Defund the atf

@jasonrobbins7269 Ай бұрын

As a Kid being an FBI or ATF agent was a dream job now as an adult the few times I have had the agencies reach out to recruit all I could do was laugh l, couldn’t say no fast enough the biggest jokes in LE.

@donfullbright8468 15 күн бұрын

Excellent job on whats going on at the border

@therealfearsome Ай бұрын

THIS CASE AND OTHERS LIKE IT MAKE ME think the US attorneys were/are on the payroll of the cartels just like biden's actions on the boarder

@lukeblanch3672 Ай бұрын

They all are on the cartels payroll. The Secretary of State of Arizona, Adrian Fuentes or whatever, was a cartel lawyer or 8 or 9 high profile cases. He got all of them off.

@wesman7837 Ай бұрын

Right? Or I guess Soros people trying to sow chaos in our country!

@wesman7837 Ай бұрын

@@lukeblanch3672That's UNBELIEVABLE! He belongs in prison for the rest of his life!

@sweetla4750 12 күн бұрын

@@wesman7837but yet nothing will done

@painpatientsaddiction3640 Ай бұрын

That's just crazy no wonder why there's so much trouble

@viciousKev 14 күн бұрын

Its crazy to even think you would find a firearm after its been used. Why would they leave it next to the body

@canz7344 28 күн бұрын

As always, its not the guys on the ground actually doing the job, it's the select group of higher-ups making decisions that impact the entire country poorly.

@alefdesign1990 17 күн бұрын

Nah they are responsible for their murderous mafia behavior

@jacyl21222 Ай бұрын

Bio: I was a government thug. Yeah, we get it.

@BigPhilsSaws Ай бұрын

Yeah no shit.

@josephconcra1191 2 күн бұрын

Someone starts following me we are going to end up deep in the woods with a 6 ft hole and me very pissed off.

@jeverett8437 Ай бұрын

Sorry but this dude is hard to follow.. 🤦🏼‍♂️

@jetterbuglove 19 күн бұрын

I couldn't follow him either. I am more confused on it all now. I was hoping to understand who did what

@shineeye4896 Ай бұрын

23:00 minutes in and I stopped watching!!! SO WHO WAS RHE PROSECUTOR THAT LET THE GRENADE GUY GO?????

@consciousrosin 20 күн бұрын

Isn't it ironic that these same guys sharing this info, don't consider 911 to be an inside job.

@jasonbourne1596 9 күн бұрын

We know it was an inside job, so must he.

@LaTechDawgs450 Ай бұрын

Great epsiode. Pete is s solid dude.

@ELMRB Ай бұрын

💰 talks!! 👨‍🌾

@edgarchapa7266 Ай бұрын

Imagine willingly joining the ATF 😂

@gregd4391 17 күн бұрын

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

@kochj0713 15 күн бұрын

The citizens United States need to hold that US attorney accountable as y’all know the federal or state will never do it

@etienneprinsloo6799 Ай бұрын

Thank heavens their opinions don’t represent the views of Homeland Security (A contradiction in terms). If you want lies, go to a government website or spokesperson.

@March808 Ай бұрын

This interview is incredibly there’s soo much that could get cut up into some KZfaq short videos especially the judge who just let the dude go WTF WHO APPOINTED THAT CORUPT DICKWAD Also I just got your book bro your a badass 👍🏼👍🏼

@Ndbsbsbdbjdjd Ай бұрын

What about ghost guns and untraced guns number is way wayy higher

@bradd8383 Ай бұрын

Dude has a guilty conscience of what he's done, i respect his coming forward and writing the book, but what else does he know like those gun dealers lives are at risk because of snitching or working with ATF are they dead from Sinaloa cartel?

@Bisstube 13 күн бұрын

Those who were up to their neck in the thick of it, know what dangers were there. They know exactly what its like to be in a room full of people who dont trust you. They know exactly what its like putting gps devices in wooden crates for 8 hours a day. They know what its like to grab a care package to make things work. Bribery, paying off people to get where you needed. small gold coins and us dollars. They know what its like to hide for days in someone's home and pay them for the hospitality. They know what its like to be threatened if seen again. They know what its like to be made and then have to escape an area. They know what its like to photograph people and places. They know what its like to pin coordinates to relay back to your contact. They know what its like to spread false information to start a gun battle between two groups to eliminate control of a certain area. They know what its like to play the game only to be forgotten like nothing ever happened. Many people have their stories and incidents as a result of this operation. But to those who got sucked into it for their skill. A beer raised for you.

@localent710 Ай бұрын

the cia was also involved in the disappearance of the 43 mexican students.

@ZomiDAvinci 22 күн бұрын

Where's coco

@maxcullen3427 20 күн бұрын

Even asEnglish civvie heard about this operation was awful government work another interesting guest think get his book after urs obviously that’s on order 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

@matthewpamatian4853 Ай бұрын

"Its not that bad"

@bradd8383 Ай бұрын

Tabacco come on guy

@peteforcelli1380 Ай бұрын

Yeah. CJNG and the Sinaloa cartel have each made $4B in tobacco smuggling so far- mostly within Mexico. The Biden Admin is contemplating a combustible nicotine ban, which opens up the door for them to start smuggling tobacco into the USA. America is the land of opportunity, but they seem to only want to afford opportunity to criminals and foreign adversaries these days... Just saying...

@vividatx 10 күн бұрын

At least read this mans book....

@claudiaclaudia936 Ай бұрын

ATF= CARTELS #1 PLUG

@3suschrist762 Ай бұрын

He’s not kidding. Canadians can drink.

@alefdesign1990 17 күн бұрын

They can commie well too. Like mandate me harder

@sentfromdaniel Ай бұрын

Holy ads!!!!!

@gunnerwright7793 Ай бұрын

I heard they were secretly trying to arm the Sinaloa cartel to get rid of the los zetas which was a much more brutal cartel Sinalo it looked like the good guys compared to them, but they needed more arms and if that’s the case it actually worked because they did get rid of the Los zetas shortly after fast and furious. Also, if you’ll notice almost one of those guns went to Sinaloa cartel members.

@COBBADAMS Ай бұрын

Lucky #7!!!!

@exodustwelve2044 Ай бұрын

There was straw in texas back then

@Patriotx-gx4ce 6 күн бұрын

DC Cartel.

@la_jota_007 9 күн бұрын

we benn saying this, the US goverment has its hands everywhere

@jasonno2953 12 күн бұрын

At minute marker 42:55, he stated I guess you can't please do that unless you're guilty of something. That has to be the most bulshit thing I've heard. Because we know law enforcement will still try to entrap an innocent person into saying something so that they can get a conviction so that they can get another check mark in their boxes. If that's the mentality that somebody has that used to work in law enforcement. We know that law enforcement still has that mentality. And that's dangerous

@gunnerwright7793 Ай бұрын

At that time Los zetas were monsters and many of they were trained in America by sf. They were gafe members the gulf cartel hired to be there army. But they later broke off. They took down Mexican Blackhawks

@Mikey-rr9rd Ай бұрын

Who brings guns north

@jesseinAZ 8 күн бұрын

RIP crews and armed guards on dope loads.

@triplehfarmsllc7348 13 күн бұрын

Why can’t I subscribe to the channel????

@to8860 Ай бұрын

Eric Holder......go figure.....Thanks Obama!!!

@user-nd8cs3qx1v 22 күн бұрын

Dis chit is almust belebable

@FryingTiger 23 күн бұрын

This guy is an enemy.

@lillian-annmonk-whitingare8879 15 күн бұрын

So then that's what's actually taking place why everybody and their grandma and aunts uncles nieces nephews cousins in the kitchen sink is coming over from God knows where and no one is safe not the people coming and not the people trying to find out who the people are that are coming that's interesting, not

@petersobik2162 13 күн бұрын

Seems like the straw purchasers would’ve been at fault bc they kno

@jimbowen5546 13 күн бұрын

Got all the aspests the was the reason for 911

@Diddley-js6lf Ай бұрын

Yes The ATF was absolutely Complicit in The Death of That Poor Agent. Absolutely Obama

@rmenard1986 Ай бұрын

Mmmmh, boot leather for breakfast lunch and dinner. ❤

@daleclark9121 22 күн бұрын

Realisticly , these high risk special opps should have priority ONE, BEING ON OUR SOIL IN OUR COUNTRY , where those involved have no regard for human lives , these troops need support going into them woods for take downs , if i could be envolved i would have a second group bring up the rear with at least an hour or so time frame behind the first group , go get them lizzards out of the woods ,and out of our country .

@EvanAndHell Ай бұрын

There are more than enough U.S. citizens straw-buying and smuggling guns south so easily, it would make the ATF blush if it didn’t sound like the plan all along…

@MartsEntertainment 13 күн бұрын

When Biden became President he kept the same border controls in place as President Trump had, but we need a younger President, a moderate conservative who treats women with respect but is able to understand what’s happening everywhere in our country and everywhere in the world. I’m thinking about running simply because I love listening to everyone and helping good ideas come to fruition.

@kylereese6202 17 күн бұрын

The absolute obsession of gun owners to willingly lump themselves in with the violent criminals that the ATF goes after has always been wild to me.

@franklinstower6721 21 күн бұрын

Pleading the 5th amendment matters more if youre innocent.

@rp1645 Ай бұрын

What I really 😊 Really like about what this great stand your ground leadership guy was when he said, he talked with the new guys coming onto Boarder patrol 😊 It must have been uplifting to a new Boarder guy, after going through the HR Bull crap of Harassment classes, to be one on one with a Law enforcement guy who has been there done that. Talking about Scum bags don't follow Harassment ( or should say how the criminals) use it to there advantages 😊 It makes the new BP officers feel like they have a REAL person on there side. I remember as just a field hand in city PW Being forced this sexual Harassment training by are PW Director. You basically can't hold doors ipen for the someone. Its sexist. And the big blow hard female HR person talking about her Records of destroying people jobs, just because a female crys at being given a job task This same PW Director having sex affairs with weak administration assistant. FIRING the other assistant who exposed this sex affair, both partys were married Anyway this big EGO tripped Director NEVER ever went to any of the meger Field hands training. Finally a Mayor who had a bigger EGO than the Director, forced him out, sadly he went on and polluted another county on other side of are state. They all just play music chairs.

@keepingitpinnedlongasican2513 Ай бұрын

Mexico sueing Americans for a Mexican problem lmao ok. I understand we use the world's drug supply, but at some point you need to clean up your own house.