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@Its_Cannon3 ай бұрын
Ultramarine: I’m a professional, that’s a murderous crack head. There’s a difference. Night Lord: hey! I don’t do crack, I just sell it then punish those who buy it.
@minhducnguyen92763 ай бұрын
Deathguards:"Isn't it a little bit hypocritical?" Nightlords:"Why don't you look at your dad before lecturing us on what is hypocrisy."
@gideonmele15563 ай бұрын
NL thinking: “we merely gave the opportunity for the corruption inside to express itself, were they truly innocent and righteous they would not have given in to the smaller sins along the way” Loyalists: “ooooor you could just try not skinning people” NL: “bruh, you’re killing the vibe here man” Loyalist: “vibe? What vibe? Is this a vibe to you?” NL: “chill my brother and try some of this” Loyalist: “tf. See this is why your own gene dad doesn’t like you guys” NL: “nah, he’s just nuts and evil too”
@LaughingJokerProd3 ай бұрын
@@minhducnguyen9276 EC: DID SOMEONE SAY CRACK? WHOSE GOT CRACK?????
@minhducnguyen92763 ай бұрын
@@LaughingJokerProd IW:" No, there no crack here, and you are not welcomed here, we are discussing efficiency, not cruelty." EC:"Such a waste of potential, I'm talking about the demoncubala." IW:"That's strictly for the production of new troops, we are not gonna lend you that one, you're probably gonna mess that up."
@rustedknight3 ай бұрын
This is why night lords a peak comedy
@Therestrial2053 ай бұрын
"You kill for fun, I kill to protect We are not same" - Ultramarine
@leibniz44553 ай бұрын
Chad Responsible Space Marines vs Depressed Space Marines
@ShadowFri3nd3 ай бұрын
@@leibniz4455 only kurze was somewhat depressed, almost any night lord from nostramo was in fact a cold blooded killer.
@Fallout42773 ай бұрын
@@ShadowFri3nd the only ones who weren’t cold blooded killers were the ones who were made on Terra but those were few
@possumlovr420693 ай бұрын
That's why Ultramarines are my favorite chapter. Level headed, goal focused, good guys but ultimately put the mission first. Salamanders or Lamenters might be more heroic but they'll fumble the mission in pursuit of that often.
@KibuFox2 ай бұрын
"I got laid, you aren't even sure your sack is even still there. Trump that smurf." -Night Lord.
@gadrielvanorion98723 ай бұрын
I Like how he flexed with His very much alive and active primarch to that guardsmen
@tomsmith2473 ай бұрын
O think that was during the heresy. It was not really a flex to have a primarch. Exept if you were from the iron hands or the salamanders for a time
@juzkful3 ай бұрын
U mean alive and active through shitty writing and tons of plot armor ? Damn son, he ALIVE fr 😂😂😂😂
@leovillant7682 ай бұрын
Truly
@jamesespinosa6902 ай бұрын
That's the power of brotherhood, and family.
@CrusstySculptureАй бұрын
Pharos is a Horus Heresy novel, so all of the Prinarchs were running around
@tomasmichaels6423 ай бұрын
I like that for the Ultramarine. He acknowledged he could be bad, just as bad as a Night lord. But he chooses to be better. That is what makes him different
@-TheMachineGod-3 ай бұрын
Something something Monarchia
@tomasmichaels6423 ай бұрын
@@-TheMachineGod- counterpoint - They weren’t skinning children. They just shot people
@eyesnapples61673 ай бұрын
@@-TheMachineGod- They didn’t commit nearly as much atrocities, and they did so begrudgingly. We can also talk about Salamanders burning Eldar children right ? One single bad move in the history of a fighting force that’s been around for millennia doesn’t discredit their goodness.
@CopeSeethorntin3 ай бұрын
@@-TheMachineGod-In all fairness conflict was invetible either way due to how ideologically imposed both the Emperor and logar were as it honestly wouldn't have mattered. Logar would have been irritated by all the censoring of his religious fan fic as the imperium begun to consolidate itself and the fact more people arnt eating the lectio devinitatus up. Which would cause Logar to qoustine why the Emperor would try so desperately to censor his own gospel and will, and there's only so much *"he who denys his divinity is a god and his simply to humble"* you can use to rationalize yourself till you finnely understand this man does not want to be worshiped. As logar he goes to qoustine the Emperor and as he debunks all of logars texts about him does he begin to go in to a crisis of faith and assuming kho pharon and Erebus exist which might genuinely be the case given the fact theyve made it this far, logar would have been driven straight to the Arms of Chaos regardless as both were already pre destined to one side crash in to each other. Honestly really nothing would have changed and the burning simply just sped up the invetible as Logar could have genuinely been the first one to pop his gun against the Emperor just 5 years down the line all BigE did was shoot first. And though the burning was an A*shat move by the Emperor no matter how hard you try to slice it. what the Hell did we all think was gonna happen say 10 years down the line till logar finnely broke when he slowly found out everything he believed in was a lie if the Emperor left him alone to continue doing what ever he was doing. Legit nothing would change The burningof monerchia would have been fliped to the burning of the Impirial palace as that's just how much of a straight collision and just how tense logar and the Emperor were. The Emperor was just the first to jump ship.
@ronanchristiana.belleza92703 ай бұрын
@@-TheMachineGod-something that the Emperor it Just another smurf hater
@arstotzka90883 ай бұрын
There's a sad scene where the Night Lords are gutting and skinning civilians in the dark, doing the usual and the Raven Guard show up and destroy the night lords command structure and pick off stragglers. The civilians are terrified of the Ravens, one pulls off his helmet to try and comfort a woman but the pale skin, black eyes and hair, similar to a Night Lord didn't help and made it worse. The Raven Guard ultimately left weapons and rations behind for them and called in evacuation but those guys were shaken by how similar they appear to the Night Lords.
@anothernamlesscommenter3523 ай бұрын
Is the Raven guard one of the good astartes and night lords bad? I funny know that astartes were allowed to fight each other(I’m new to this fandom)
@IW35273 ай бұрын
@@anothernamlesscommenter352 pretty much. The raven guard are still loyal to humanity and the imperium while the night guard fell to chaos and are on a millennium long torture/murder spree.
@g.e.barringer75633 ай бұрын
@@anothernamlesscommenter352 yeah, basically half the space marines turned away from order(not good,necessarily) and turned to chaos and evil and attacked the ones still fighting for order
@RimorNovis3 ай бұрын
@@IW3527 well, the night lords doesn't actually fell to chaos. they are bad, not because of chaos but themselves
@IW35273 ай бұрын
@@RimorNovis very valid point, they definitely didn't need the influence of chaos to be creepy sadistic jerks or turn traitor. I was under the impression they've been filed under chaos undivided but I'll be the first to admit I don't know all that much about their lore.
@gamechanger89083 ай бұрын
"The wolves kill cleanly, we do not. We are murderers first, last and always." -Jago Sevatarion
@Galdenberry_Lamphuck2 ай бұрын
Most based man in the imperium
@nikitaromanovsikis96402 ай бұрын
@@Galdenberry_Lamphuck"I just don't care."
@Arkhaym2 ай бұрын
Classic edg...Nightlord take
@Galdenberry_Lamphuck2 ай бұрын
@@Arkhaym The night lords are great at solving problems it's just they can't rule for shit
@ItsA723 ай бұрын
"Why did the god emperor grant me strength if not to protect those whom lack it?" -Kishhak of the Salamanders
@captain-commander81383 ай бұрын
I love that fits the hugging boys
@Prophetofthe8thLegion2 ай бұрын
“Why did the corpse god mold like clay we demigods of war and leave the rest of our species as weak pathetic dregs who die in the blink of an eye? Was it ignorance? A lack of time and resources, or maybe we were always intended to rule over and dominate humanity?” I don’t care, I fight not for the corpse emperor, my brothers and I denied his ascension millennia ago! I will never stop! I will forever strive to kill the imperium! Until the Emperor is cast down and his throne of lies torn asunder!”~ An unnamed Night Lord
@user-vu5gc8od9e2 ай бұрын
to reap the skin out of that who can't defend?
@j.t12213 ай бұрын
"We are murderers first. Warriors second." Nightlord Saying
@E_Bailey3 ай бұрын
That's just literally true. The non-Terran recruits were all murderers/rapists/psychopaths by design.
@arstotzka90883 ай бұрын
And thats why they got absolutely bodied by the Carcharodons.
@DGneoseeker13 ай бұрын
Yes, yes. But WHY? Have they TRIED not being assholes? I really don't GET Chaos marines. I mean some of them are Khorne worshipping berserkers and it's understandable why they'd get angry and murder everything. You can kind of understand it for those warped by the other chaos gods into various flavours of nutcase. But for those chapters not dedicated to a chaos god, why are they doing it?
@Halo2Jackel3 ай бұрын
@@DGneoseeker1 depends most out of spite some out of tradition. Nightlords do it because it is what the think it is fun.
@QuayNemSorr3 ай бұрын
@@DGneoseeker1 They've always behaved this way. Also before they turned traitor. It was their purpose. To be terror troops. Whole systems surrendered just by hearing "Summon the Eight"
@Aravaganthus3 ай бұрын
Guilliman: "See, Konrad? A society with a strong moral fiber is both just and stable" Konrad: "Instructions unclear, I flayed a dozen people for making slightly too much noise at a restaurant"
@Aovelius3 ай бұрын
A society that was centuries or even millennia in making, one inherited enlightened Rome, the other got Gotham on crack.
@minhducnguyen92763 ай бұрын
*Point to Sotha* "Then how comes my citizens beat your space marines?"
@d4n4nable3 ай бұрын
that seems justified
@pretzelbomb61055 күн бұрын
@@Aovelius Guilliman's adopted father got coup'd because he believed in social welfare. Ultramar wasn't nearly as bad as Nostramo, but it definitely had issues. At least Nostramo was nominally united.
@TheAlexRhodesКүн бұрын
@@pretzelbomb6105 The words Nostramo and united should never be used in a sentence together lmao
@minhducnguyen92763 ай бұрын
Tbf, the Sothan militias quickly sobered up from the shock and gave the Night Lord one hell of a beating that the NightLord never expect some farmers are capable of, costing them 20000 nightlord out of the initial 25000 just to defeat 3000 Ultramarines. The Sothan militia practically carried that fight. This is why the Scythe of the Emperor chose the scythe as their symbol, to pay respects to the Sothan people they are living with.
@andrewcrane51053 ай бұрын
Where did you read this?
@noxion41433 ай бұрын
@@andrewcrane5105 Pharos
@minhducnguyen92763 ай бұрын
@@andrewcrane5105 The book Pharos.
@ThorGiske3 ай бұрын
Led my a guy named after america lol
@Brogon_the_10st3 ай бұрын
It’s kinda annoying how much he shits on the Night lords
@joeyk31343 ай бұрын
I mean, it's like "we're both muscley but my primarch is sane"
@mostlynormal94673 ай бұрын
*alive
@Doc-randomplay3 ай бұрын
@@mostlynormal9467 *sane AND alive
@FredyAndreas3 ай бұрын
@@Doc-randomplay*depressed, sane, and alive
@the98themperoroftheholybri333 ай бұрын
Konrad is sane, his legion isn't, but he knew he'd have to pay for his crimes and accepted the punishment, that's why he allowed the assassin to kill him, he could've stopped them in any number of ways but didn't
@joshualap4013 ай бұрын
@@the98themperoroftheholybri33 You are that dude form Code Geass.
@FidoZip19883 ай бұрын
This reminds me of the example of Twins, children of an alcoholic Father, they grow up, one becomes an alcoholic like his Father and the other don't, both Say the same thing if asked how they become like this "With a Father like that, how can I be anything else"
@BREAKocean2 ай бұрын
Jesus that reminded me of an episode of burn notice when the mother of a Cia agent and his burnout brother asked why they are so different. And the person she asked said if you dropped glass it might break and become a jagged weapon or shatter into many pieces
@NikotheleepicАй бұрын
@@BREAKoceanboth broken, one a danger to themselves another is a danger to others.
@roastbeef49183 ай бұрын
Homie really said skill issue and then said that his dad will remember them.
@antonioj7002 ай бұрын
"Skill issues and mental disability"😂😂
@julianpradarodriguez73363 ай бұрын
Basically, Ultramarines believe that with their skills and powers come responsability to the mortals. So do the Salamanders and the space wolves
@davidthompson37293 ай бұрын
Raven Guard, too
@Keram-io8hv3 ай бұрын
Space Wolves while covered in random Prospetian civilian: Woof!
@Pandemicus73 ай бұрын
@@Keram-io8hvthey could’ve surrendered.
@Keram-io8hv3 ай бұрын
@@Pandemicus7 And still be slaughtered peacefully? Wolves went for blood
@ernestolopez55013 ай бұрын
Space Wolves bombed every city on the planet Prospero then proceeded to slaughter 30 MILLION people on foot
@JPG.013 ай бұрын
"I can but I don't" is precisely what differenciates a good person from a bad one. A good human has the capacity for violence but doesn't use it until necessary. While a bad human will use that same capacity to gain every advantage he can. A human without that capacity isn't good. He is harmless.
@duhass3 ай бұрын
Damn. I really like the way you put that.
@basketcase773 ай бұрын
It's similar to the saying that if you need the threat of hell to be a good person, then you're just a bad person on a leash. Integrity isn't about what you do when you're watched and rewarded, but when you're not and have the capacity to do otherwise.
@w4rd0693 ай бұрын
Its all about agency in the end. If all that governs someone is the pursuit of power then they will treat morality as just a means to the end which is power. If all that governs someone is the pursuit of righteousness then they will treat power as just a means to the end which is righteousness. If you have no means then the ends are less significant. "If you aren't dangerous then where is the virtue in restraint?"
@user-pn4py6vr4n13 күн бұрын
If you lack the overwhelming firepower required to besiege your enemy's worlds and lay waste to all life therein, you are not a pacifist, you are merely toothless. When I did my last pacifist run in Stellaris, no one wanted to fight me, and everyone wanted to be my friend/subject. Why? I had the single most powerful navy in the galaxy, and could easily crush any single other empire beneath my boot heel, and hold my own against the most powerful federations single handedly. I can, but I don't.
@tdpuuhailee82223 ай бұрын
Just because you can do something. Does not mean you must do it.
@darrylferguson36223 ай бұрын
I like how the Ultramarine could have just spoken about how noble and glorious he is as a loyalist, but he has the integrity to be direct with the man. Mericus is absolutely right that all Space Marines have the base capacity to be monsters, but as the Ultramarine points out, it is thanks to the influence of their genefather and Primarch that they turned out good, and THAT is what makes them different.
@-TheMachineGod-3 ай бұрын
The 13th legion wasn’t so good at Monarchia
@Stormdraka3 ай бұрын
And their own volition too, don't forget to give them credit for the choices they made, as much as we shouldn't just ignore that those who went traitor had a choice too, maybe not at their conversion, but surely after that. Istvaan III was a thing after all, they had to cull the loyalists from their ranks because not everyone bought that crap.
@berilsevvalbekret7723 ай бұрын
All of them ARE some flavour of monsters. Even Salamanders
@xanderortega43593 ай бұрын
The difference is the Ultramarines were pros, and they have standard
@brodyratliff74413 ай бұрын
Ultramarines have standards, be polite, be efficient and have a plan to cleanse everyone you meet
@joshm97823 ай бұрын
“One is a job the other’s mental sickness”
@classified95833 ай бұрын
I love how much faith the ultramarines have in Guilliman
@-TheMachineGod-3 ай бұрын
So much faith that they committed the same atrocities against the citizens of Monarchia for no reason other than the vague belief that it would somehow teach Lorgar to be faster
@OceanLily3 ай бұрын
@@-TheMachineGod- The Emperor ordered it🤷♀️
@andre11733 ай бұрын
@@OceanLily Who shouldn't be questioned. Naughty corners are useful.
@Stormdraka3 ай бұрын
@@andre1173 They are still military, my man, everyone knows that a soldier who can't take orders is not "useful" as a soldier. The Emperor literally deleted two legions from existence.
@andre11733 ай бұрын
@@Stormdraka I agree. But this isn't just a general or a president. Its the Emperor of a whole race and the de facto emperor of the galaxy and creator of the primarch. So when he says sit, you sit. Or jump, you better jump. He is after all genuinely anti-chaos and pro humanity. So we are to quit the whining about his sometimes leadership or parenting flaws and obey. Loyalty is its own reward -The Lion.
@no_one01-53 ай бұрын
It is the same with the normal person as well. It is the eternal balance of one's ego between id and superego. Night Lords chose id.
@FROSTAFRICA3 ай бұрын
The is ID, isn't evil. It represents the part of the mind that focuses on basic needs of the body. Think of when you feel hungry or when you tired as moments when the ID is speaking to you, it's mostly unconscious unlike the Superego and ego. The Nightlords in this case choiced not the ID but the Ego, as they indulgded in their power fanasty of dominating the weak, an act to empower themselves and their egos. The ID is too mindless to be involved, as it would be like asking an infant what to do for fun, only the Ego could derived pleasure from the Nightlords cruelty. Sorry, for coming off as an a$$.
@no_one01-53 ай бұрын
@@FROSTAFRICA I know it is the instinctual part of the psyche and the Night Lords have given into it. They aren't inherently evil, but they can perform evil with those instincts.
@Schmeethe883 ай бұрын
@@no_one01-5 Night Lords are too deliberate, too calculating for it to come from instinct. There's World Eaters "something is in front of you, kill it" and then there's Night Lords "just skinning the women and children alive is too played out, let's come up with something more creative and heinous". Their MO requires too much forethought for ID
@terminallove35313 ай бұрын
@@no_one01-5 Maybe the Terran NL weren't evil, but the Nostramo NL are definitely evil.
@no_one01-53 ай бұрын
@@terminallove3531 I doubt they were born evil. They are products of their upbringing. In Nostramo, they have to be more instinctual, more animalistic, or die.
@oddball_28873 ай бұрын
That's like the story of 2 sons who's dad robbed a bank and unalived people, the first went into crime and did horrible things and the second dedicated his life to good deeds and justice and they both were asked why did they live the way they did? And they both said "because of what my father did, how could I not?"
@Mbeke123 ай бұрын
Like doflamingo and rosinante
@Klongu_Da_Bongu3 ай бұрын
@@Mbeke12 Doflamingo got wrecked by a Great Unclean One (Luffy) (He didn't shower since the whole thing arc started)
@twotales16453 ай бұрын
I do love contrasts like this.
@shadowdragon3493 ай бұрын
Must be an honor to have an ultra hand on a mortals shoulder
@bloodangel193 ай бұрын
Half way. Unlike other chapters, Ultramarines are not isolationists, much like the Salamanders.
@joseestevezhernandez5583 ай бұрын
They give Ultra-comfort
@minhducnguyen92763 ай бұрын
@@bloodangel19 It's also because while ultramarine don't simply see guardsmen as weak humans but fighters in their own right.
@bobthepervyuncleАй бұрын
@@minhducnguyen9276They still think of themselves as humans, just bigger, stronger, faster yes, and part of society with duty
@kraigshall3 ай бұрын
Space Marines. Rather they want to admit it or not Are just as human as your average guardsman, or your average civilian, They are simultaneously the best and the worst of us
@paddypibblet8463 ай бұрын
I can't tell if people's grammar is getting worse because of all the foreigners, auto-correct, or because the education system is even worse than it was a few years ago.
@LoyalAlpharian3 ай бұрын
@@paddypibblet846 Not everyone on this platform is from an english speaking country, get used to people not knowing your language perfectly.
@potato1473 ай бұрын
The salamanders are the most humain out of all of them. The salamanders are what a Space Marine should be
@tridinh10113 ай бұрын
@@paddypibblet846 oh please, acting like english is the only language that exist? oh please, stop being a colonialist asshole
@paddypibblet8463 ай бұрын
@@LoyalAlpharian I'll never get used to it, cretin.
@belligerentlyrecalcitrant85263 ай бұрын
We hail from Macragge and we know no fear!
@marioalbertoadamereyes13223 ай бұрын
Hell, even I felt inspired
@zeke19913 ай бұрын
Roboute Guilliman will avenge us!
@jeremiahfielding2833 ай бұрын
This was more wholesome than I was expecting
@chatongarou76653 ай бұрын
Yes, I'm quite surprised to see more and more of those moments. The memes on the Salamanders made me believe they were the only decent Astartes, but I'm seeing a lot of wholesome stories about Ultramarines, Blood Angels, Space Wolves...etc...
@MrVlad123402 ай бұрын
@@chatongarou7665majority of loyalists (fuck Iron Hands) are not bad in general. Save for real outliers like Minotaurs or what not.
@Bjork_Gumphly_3 ай бұрын
At least the nightlords are having fun.
@eliaspanayi34653 ай бұрын
Being on the wrong end of the overwhealming power and brutality that protects you is a terrifying experience.
@piyushprasad28783 ай бұрын
fear someone like me ,not me
@Jj-vf2cd3 ай бұрын
I love the honesty we choose not to that’s awesome line. And I love he talks about upbringing. We’re not like them. They are murderers. We’re we’re Warriors.
@stevet13963 ай бұрын
I'm confident the astartes response of, "ya I could do it"... Was not the reassurance he was looking for.
@AnonOmis10003 ай бұрын
Maybe but I see what he was trying to say. That yes, he had capacity for terribly violent acts, but he chooses not to, avd that's the difference.
@michaelharris81113 ай бұрын
Everyone can do what the night lords did. We have horrible people now in reality. It’s when we choose to be moral that the difference is made clear
@Channel-23s3 ай бұрын
It’s 100% realistic and assurance that a Son of Ultramar wouldn’t do it because they are intelligent and mentally sound compared to a insane sadistic Murderer/serial killer traitor of Nostromo and because they follow Gullimen which is like following Vulkan they aren’t going to endanger the people even 10K+ Years later
@Channel-23s3 ай бұрын
Asartes are like humans hence why the Horus Heresy happened just less ability for fear and fatigue but taller stronger and faster
@thomaslacroix60113 ай бұрын
Denying that he has the power to do it is a lie. Lying might reassure momentarily, but it plants seeds of distrust.
@LutherannoG3 ай бұрын
Well, the difference bein' one is a job and the other's a mental sickness!
@MortabluntАй бұрын
As a non-offending ASPD case that’s my entire ethos. Just because I could turn on people and be a terrifyingly, effective self-serving menace, doesn’t mean I should, and all the difference is in the choice that I use my stoicism and combat powers for good, not evil.
@robertotenreiro3 ай бұрын
I live for these moments in 40k... they send shivers down my spine...
@blackwatertv70183 ай бұрын
That’s what makes Chaos marines so horrifying it’s because they don’t have the same restraint and control as loyalist (for the most part)
@dominusbalial8353 ай бұрын
I think that's what makes the Iron Warriors even more terrifying. Because they do have restrain and control and their cruelty is only enacted to serve a material pragmatic purpose.
@MrSamulai3 ай бұрын
And Nightlords aren't even chaos
@BigBossGorgutz3 ай бұрын
@@MrSamulai They quite definitely are chaos.
@MrSamulai3 ай бұрын
@@BigBossGorgutz No. They're traitors, but they never pledged to any ruinous powers, they hate demons and pity any individuals in their own ranks who succumb to them. Also, this was their standard mode of operation even when they were loyal.
@joshw92773 ай бұрын
@@BigBossGorgutz technically their renegade space marines (exactly like the ashen claws) rather than chaos Marines, but the difference is entirely academic as they skin you alive.
@dolphinboi-playmonsterranc96683 ай бұрын
"They're not like us. It was just a phase for us, it's not a phase to them."
@shadowki56873 ай бұрын
Yeah not all space marines are created equal, nor do they share the same types of desires or humanity
@myfaceismyshield59633 ай бұрын
Night Lords have the same amount of humanity, or even more than Ultramarines. It's just the worst parts of humanity. Not humane, but incredibly human.
@RevolverRho3 ай бұрын
@@myfaceismyshield5963what
@shadowki56873 ай бұрын
@@myfaceismyshield5963I forgot the word "types" sorry😅
@azeria13 ай бұрын
The nightlords deserved everything the ashen claws did and more
@Briselance3 ай бұрын
The Ashen Claws? A loyalist chapter?
@bluedevil93773 ай бұрын
@@Briselanceyes and a successor chapter of the Raven Guard
@azeria13 ай бұрын
@@Briselancenot loyalist renegade former raven guard corax didn't like so he sent them to the ghoul stars despite working with horus in the pass they didn't join the heresy and stayed neutral but destroyed the night lords fortress monastery and levels whole hive city's to kill them despite being renegade the imperium let's them be since the ghoul stars need them to provide stability and technically they are still obeying they Primarchs last orders
@raro34412 күн бұрын
@@bluedevil9377funny the ashen claws pretty much shit on corax for being a softie
@Jadefox323 ай бұрын
A soldier is a killer with a cause, a Nostrauman after the nightlords fell is a sadist and a butcher with no cause save fear.
@beyondblood27073 ай бұрын
After they fell? Barely better before they fell. Only ones who could match were the pre-primarch blood angels
@LiveInTheRhythm3 ай бұрын
We are same-same, but different. But still same.
@StressmanFIN3 ай бұрын
Like father, like son, no? I know I'm a tourist, but I'm surprised the Night Lords lasted this long before turning traitor, considering what I've heard of Curze. xD
@gallo11603 ай бұрын
The emperor allowed it, it was his toul of terror.
@jamiewatt85323 ай бұрын
no. they fell very far from korads ideals. they lasted because it originally had a more noble goal behind it. the thinking was that making one man scream to death and broadcasting it would make other hesitate and think twice before breaking oaths or rebelling, meaning less lives lost and less torture needed. and to be fair it worked for the most part, till the legion itself had become nothing but a pack of monsters that actually enjoyed doing it and konrad had lost most of his sanity. a bit you may not know, but konrad was possibly the only primarch to hate his own legion. the road to hell is paved with good intentions and all that jazz.
@Klongu_Da_Bongu3 ай бұрын
@@jamiewatt8532 That's the same logic all the bad guys in Gundam use... Even in real life too. Never works out. The ends end up only... ending... the end... Yeah.
@Eye_Of_Odin9783 ай бұрын
@@Klongu_Da_Bongu "tHe eNdS oNlY eNd uP eNdInG tHe EnD" Bro is straight-up *yapping* If you want to spout pseudo-intellectual ramblings, Reddit's THAT way.
@Klongu_Da_Bongu3 ай бұрын
@@Eye_Of_Odin978 I don't want to bully anyone on the spectrum Mr discord mod 😂
@brian28883 ай бұрын
Just be glad they didn’t meet the Emperors Children…
@historytank56733 ай бұрын
*ZIP*
@lostlambv29393 ай бұрын
Pre heresy they were noble perfection
@historytank56733 ай бұрын
@@lostlambv2939 pre heresy yes, post… nope 🙂↔️
@sirkelendor54293 ай бұрын
"This (anything) offends slaanesh" *proceeds to do the sickest thing possible, no amount of mental disturbia could create an image as horrific as what they are doing*
@chatongarou76653 ай бұрын
Well...night lords, Emperor's children...hard to tell who's worse...
@cristaltophat3 ай бұрын
Truly being peaceful is being fully capable of doing harm, but choosing not to.
@godman51913 ай бұрын
A man who can do no harm is not peace loving, he is harmless. a peace loving man is one who can end everything but chooses not to.
@whitlermountain71983 ай бұрын
Fear the wrath of a peaceful logistician
@ambuknight3 ай бұрын
I remember that one time Guillman was so pissed at Lorthgar during the hersey he boardside In zero gravity to Lorthgar ship smearing word bears into red paste with no helm lmao
@alexandrecrozat2663 ай бұрын
one of guys said 'we float for maccrage'
@mazz94873 ай бұрын
I thought he got shot out the airlock, then proved that being a primarch ain't just a title by punching Word Bearer heads off on the outside of Lorgar's ship. And, yes, without a helmet.
@CedricBassman3 ай бұрын
@@mazz9487 Not exactly blown out an airlock, i think a explosive went off inside his Ship and he got sucked out due to decompression. And then he basically turned into Doomguy in Space.
@av67283 ай бұрын
Realistically, the fact that they are both blue in armor color probably had a lot to do with the extent of any shift in public opinion, and would have not been as severe if they were different colors. Humans are dumb like that.
@FrstSpctr883 ай бұрын
Nightlords didn't need to much to make people doubt ultramarines...
@magnusbjarni3 ай бұрын
Zod didn't have to do much for people to doubt Superman. Once trust is broken it can be extremely hard to earn it back and when trust is based on power, it is weak.
@NecroLovesYou3 ай бұрын
Doubt, fear, and madness are exactly the things they do best
@alejandromaldonado61593 ай бұрын
They're both blue. Which is all is needed to manipulate thr human mind.
@jeagerbreaker59713 ай бұрын
Even if space marines like the Salamanders may be warriors who care about civilian lives.... They are the same as well,they arw brutal beasts who are unleashed when there is a hostile battle underway,even while protecting cuvliams,they show more of a beast like side toward their enemies
@dakotaburnside9943 ай бұрын
Honestly that's how humans are in general space Marines are just designed to harness that beyond normal soldiers.
@emilianstefan44243 ай бұрын
Courage and Honor!
@MrGorillafist3 ай бұрын
Based Ultramarine
@sleeping98003 ай бұрын
This planet is probably still the best place to live in even after a night lord raid.
@hasturthekinginyellow50033 ай бұрын
*Malum Caedo being more brutal and bloodthirsty as the average Khornite Berserker
@Ultramar5653 ай бұрын
This is why i rock the blue and gold 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
@dickassley51713 ай бұрын
march for mcragge 🗣️🗣️🗣️
@lukeamparo65863 ай бұрын
What should be more horrifying is not that these atrocities were done by Space Marines, but that these Space Marines were born human. They just have longer lives and more toys to play with.
@sergiocontreras56293 ай бұрын
Damn, they sure took the surname of "the avenging son" and ran with it.
@andreasschone53833 ай бұрын
Remember folks, the NL was like that already before the HH, but they did it that way to avoid greater bloodshed unlike the other Legions. They lost their course after their Primarch choose suicide by assassin.
@E_Bailey3 ай бұрын
No, they were sadistic killers long before Kurze's beheading. Kurze intentionally recruited rapists, sadists, and psychopaths into his Legion, because he was an edgy boy and hated his own Legion.
@andreasschone53833 ай бұрын
@@E_Bailey Oh, so it is okay for a legion to decimate a whole world instead of hunting down the leaders and forcing the rest of the world to bend the knee? Gotcha.
@uignireddngfiurdsgfiurdse3 ай бұрын
The entire subtext of the Night Lords trilogy was that Talos is delusional. He is like Conrad, believing the legion was something it never was. The initial objective of small cruelties to prevent larger loses of life was just that, the initial objectives. Only sick people could perform this task. And when control over these sick people waned, they extended this cruelty to entire worlds. Conrad, just let it happen because fate to him was immutable, and he was an evil man anyway.
@XD-sc4ix3 ай бұрын
@@E_Baileythe irony is that the loved the terran night Lords because they weren't like the nostraman ones
@AceSlaanesh3 ай бұрын
Another example why the Ultramarines deserve the "poster boys" title, they are the warriors you want by your side
@estebanatachaoarguedas63213 ай бұрын
Love sometimes is protect others from our own potential to do harm. Sapiens vs. Demens.
@BloodDrawer-tz9ux3 ай бұрын
They should take their blessings they aren’t on terra now
@marcusreading37833 ай бұрын
Thats the thing. We are all capable of horrific things. Every atrocity you see being committed on the news, any Human has the capacity to commit if given the chance. And that holds true for those who hold the power of a Demigod. Yes, the Ultramarines are absolutely capable of being as depraved as the Night Lords, but they choose not to be.
@ronanchristiana.belleza92703 ай бұрын
More like it's their doctrines and how they were trained and indoctrinated
@brothersgt.grauwolff67163 ай бұрын
for those of us that stayed loyal it came down to choice we chose to remain loyal even when we were shown the truth we chose to stay loyal, sadly not all Chaos Marines were given a choice some were pushed into the service of darkness but for those that chose treason I have no pity for them
@3adgamd3r3 ай бұрын
Honestly I pity three legions, the World Eaters, the Death Guard and the Thousand Sons; the first was pushed by an unstable Primarch into madness and rage, the latter two were each manipulated by forces largely outside of their control into death or treason
@lordlopikong69403 ай бұрын
The world eaters are the saddest. And those who died loyal are the bravest of all
@kennymartin59763 ай бұрын
For all their super human abilities, the astartes are still only human, after all.
@SignedWithBlood3 ай бұрын
My two aquila's: the difference is choice. You could be, but you choose not to.
@Stormdraka3 ай бұрын
Pretty much sums up why I hate the traitor legions. They chose their ways.
@MrVlad123402 ай бұрын
@@Stormdraka especially Iron Warriors, i know people love to say that Pepeturbo was “not appreciated” but he chose to make it his “signature” and ran with it. He basically became addicted to victimhood and stewing in his own anger and apathy, despite outwardly saying that he didnt.
@ryansauchuk72903 ай бұрын
For the Ultramarines ARE THE GREATEST OF THEM ALL
@davidm.corbin46433 ай бұрын
We are murderer's first, last and always. Ave dominus nox
@parthpersonal94933 ай бұрын
We are defenders of His Imperium and the realm of Ultramar. We March for Macragge!
@thechuhal133 ай бұрын
@@parthpersonal9493 for ultramar and 500 planets.
@thechuhal133 ай бұрын
Bro missed the point by idolizing them.
@al-mungus6773 ай бұрын
@@parthpersonal9493if your Goofy primarch didn't have emperor glazing him he would have died twice and easily twice.
@parthpersonal94933 ай бұрын
@@al-mungus677 And yours can come back infinitely as can every Daemon and Daemon Primach. It's not "glazing" its levelling the field. Its the just only times in recent novels the Emperor's gotten off his psychic ass
@dueinuremom50823 ай бұрын
Meanwhile Cato sicarius is wiping a tau woman off his boots
@IcantAIM-wiz3 ай бұрын
Well to be fair she was hiding a weapon behind her
@cmwest03 ай бұрын
Probably would've lived if she didn't reach, but I doubt it.
@Per_Johnsen3 ай бұрын
Don't you mean "Took her by Storm .... Bolte?😁
@terrancejames70593 ай бұрын
Bobby G would have Been proud 😈
@BloodBeast143 ай бұрын
Cato crip walked her into paste😂
@TheBroGamer140823 ай бұрын
I wanna know what that other guy thought. Of the ultramine aknowledging that possibility.
@Darqshadow3 ай бұрын
Probably sobering but at the same time, the Ultramarines don't slaughter civilians wholesale.
@RustyDroid3 ай бұрын
@@Darqshadow Meanwhile on Monarchia
@Darqshadow3 ай бұрын
@@RustyDroid Rebels who disobeyed the Emperor time and time again.
@Darqshadow3 ай бұрын
@RustyDroid in reality though, burning an entire city was probably a bad move in hindsight and tarnished the honor of the Smurfs for a while
@davidpower57103 ай бұрын
@@Darqshadow Tbh they word bearers got of easy. It was just the city and not the whole world. Not to mention they big E called the U.M. He could have called waaaaay worse legions. like the dark angles or space wolves.
@nippon193 ай бұрын
the coldest shower of 40k
@dartzspade86223 ай бұрын
It often seen that Night Lords are a line wich other marines look over and say not to cross at any cost.
@jamesmattila-hine11333 ай бұрын
I'm genuinely amazed The Night Lords were allowed to exist
@isaiahknickerbocker62073 ай бұрын
The Emperor needed a darker Legion, that and I don't think Big E knew what Kurze was doing half the time because Kurze didn't even know what Kurze was doing half the time due to the whole him being a sadistic fuck problem Which is why I enioyed making a Loyalist Night Lord, purely outta spite of that edgy emo bastard
@bhallubhaiya3 ай бұрын
They were efficent in the crusade, and thats all what was cared about.
@Nempo133 ай бұрын
@@isaiahknickerbocker6207 There ARE loyalist nightlords in the deathwatch. They don't do the twisted crap but they still kill with stealth.
@MrVlad123402 ай бұрын
Emps needed all the firepower he could get to speedrun Unification and Webway Project, so he had to take even the kind of dregs like Curze.
@truthseekerdude2 ай бұрын
Kurze would have been sickened to hear the phrase "Murderer of Nostromo" used to describe his sons, because he would hate the implication that his legion were nothing more than sadistic criminals, and he would find himself completely unable to deny it.
@XRyanK3 ай бұрын
Toooooootally different.
@sassosaputra11373 ай бұрын
I love the blueberries scouts
@quinncykaluzniak54293 ай бұрын
They are space marines sure, made the same way, trained similarly, but they are not ultramarines
@tsar_zo80073 ай бұрын
Ultramarines had no issue butchering entire cities to get compliance. Not different at all, just difference in glory.
@btf12873 ай бұрын
@@tsar_zo8007 termination for strategic purposes is different than taking your time and great pleasure in perverse acts, heretic.
@quinncykaluzniak54293 ай бұрын
@@tsar_zo8007 aye, but Ultramarines just killed, not splay gore and broadcast what they did for the planet to hear as they start to see desecrated bodies fly about like flesh puppets in a play, night Lords do that
@leman76483 ай бұрын
Night Lords existed like a legion only before Curze, after there became not more than scum. And it is because crybaby dumb primarch what started to take recruits from Nostromo, but they get only worst criminals. But did he start training them? No. Yes they have some cool Astartes, but mostly them from Terra, or it was in 30k. They are all not more them scum. As true Night Lords, true Dogs of War, exited before their primarch came.
@sirkelendor54293 ай бұрын
@@tsar_zo8007the difference is the people killed by the other legions died quickly, the night lords made it slow and painful. The other legions killed and made no show of it, the night lords made human flesh capes
@mrnohax54363 ай бұрын
salamanders: bruh
@fireteamdelta91083 ай бұрын
Same same but different Konichiwa
@goxlau32433 ай бұрын
😂😂
@Xandras1423 ай бұрын
Poor peeps need some Salamander powerhugs
@varyagace3 ай бұрын
Ultra-comfort and support, perhaps
@Spunk_cat3 ай бұрын
We may die but we will get our revenge 👌
@RJALEXANDER7773 ай бұрын
I can only imagine that every once in a while the Night Lord's strategy backfires. Atrocities can create fear and defeat, but they can also inspire rage and determination. Their reliance on fear can sometimes be an overreliance.
@MrVlad123402 ай бұрын
Thats why they also known as most cowardly space marines. They will legit flee and run when fear tactics and stealth fails, abandoning their allies even and such.
@auugh43546Ай бұрын
that, and it's not a good method to maintain order anyhow, because nostramo ended up falling apart anyhow after Konrad dipped
@thechairthechair16673 ай бұрын
I like how the ultramarine simply goes "Well, that's just how it is, but dw Gulliman will come and fck em all up for that, so chill out have a drink or sum "
@unitednoobies8983 ай бұрын
Reminds me of the movie Interview. The same, but different, but still the same… but different ….
@OBIONEBARRONI3 ай бұрын
*Iironically he still got skin in his heart pulled out*
@nikik55673 ай бұрын
The human was kinda dumb to think that the two legions would be the same. Just like no two people are the same, thinking that the ultramarines were like the nightlords and were just hiding it is kinda dumb.
@DocWolph3 ай бұрын
Not really. If you lived your whole life honestly believing Police Officers were all entirely unquestionably the good guys and then you have some Bad cops brutally grind some unfortunate kid under heel "because they could", you would be gravely confused as well. I know that one is [hard] to square, in today's media climate, but it is reasonably easy to understand.
@sadpsycho85933 ай бұрын
Considering the idea that outside of that, he was kind of right. Ultramarines are known as defenders in Ultramar, but they never even once seen them fight outside of it, bolters shooting down people, flamers burning flesh to ashes, tanks running over the enemies. They may not be the same, but they are definitely no different to each other, that, and they took back the rest of the planets that were already independent on their own, back to the imperium, planets that were just defending themselves from invaders that just showed up out of nowhere. So yeah, the two sides of the same coin. Funnily enough, sure the night lords are batshit insane, but they legit have the lowest casualties of any of the 18-20(depending on both times they were still okay) legions combined during the great crusade. Sure, they leave the planets they conquered traumatized beyond insanity, but leaving them a lot more alive than the rest of the legions. And, if any of the planets the Imperium already conquered starting revolting, which, mind you, planets that would face the likes of entire legions of imperial fists head on, would actually surrender and apologize the moment they hear that the night lords are chosen for the task.
@Mess77393 ай бұрын
Yeah, its why all the Salamanders like water sports.
@TexMeta3 ай бұрын
In Hammer and Bolter, the Ultramarines are mercilessly slaughtering an Eldar Craftworld, who are desperately attempting to flee. The Ultramarines are absolutely like that, they just don't do it to the Imperium.
@trouty79473 ай бұрын
@@DocWolphthat analogy works way better than I thought too, the difference between a good cop and an evil cop is down to that individual person, and the culture of their particular precinct. Not in their title or job. They are the same, but they are not the same.
@54relly96Ай бұрын
The fact that the galaxy was conquered in 200 years was a great point
@howudoin1013 ай бұрын
My dad can beat his dad for sure! - every kid to a present dad ever
@philosophichuman15073 ай бұрын
Be glad they weren't visited by the Marines malevolent.
@SpazzMaticus1953 ай бұрын
While bad loyalists they are nowhere near as bad as the night lords
@kamikaze41722 ай бұрын
"...put a hand on his shoulder, dislocating it"
@djashovel3 ай бұрын
Here's A Fun question /What if Scenario what if one of the Emperor sons like guilliman woke up earlier and founded and Ruled the tau empire What would be the Imperium reaction finding out one of the emperor's sons is not only alive but control an alien Empire
@theonly8023 ай бұрын
i think learning the information would cause 2 million ecclesiarchy priests to have heart attacks from the smack of raw psychic confusion
@leandrocastello3093 ай бұрын
Given how scared is Guilliman of imperium secundus beimg discovered? The imperium would _not_ take that well. But the imperium is composed of a billion diferent political factions. Each branch of the inquisition would react differenly for example.
@-TheMachineGod-3 ай бұрын
I kinda want Perterabo to figure out how to stabilise his soul and then leave the eye of terror and chaos behind to go forge an alliance with the only “reasonable” empire in the galaxy
@eyesnapples61673 ай бұрын
The Tau wouldn’t allow it to begin with
@djashovel3 ай бұрын
@eyesnapples6167 In this scenario this is when tau Are still primitive 😅 and guilliman Wakes up thousands of years earlier I said he was the one who Made the empire and ruled it You can't really oppose a guy who basically built everytjong You now have
@TabukiJones3 ай бұрын
Blueberry fan: "No, the Ultramarines are not like that!" Millions of dead non-compliant humans: "YOU SURE ABOUT THAT?"
@anzaca13 ай бұрын
Yes. The Ultramarines don't torture.
@dumboi53693 ай бұрын
As they say. They just tie you to a chair and give you a 4 hour powerpoint slide projection on repeat till you die of boredom induced anuerysm.
@countercomeback55043 ай бұрын
And 90% of the non compliant humans are chaos influence and. The rest were heretics and wretched betrayers of humanity
@Manfromthenorth05513 ай бұрын
@@anzaca1 Exactly, the Ultramarines aren't saints. But they don't needlessly torture or skin people alive like the Night Lords. The Ultramarines are practical to a fault, there's no need for such sadistic brutality for a human population.
@Redguns4life3 ай бұрын
Yeah I'm sure. I don't think there's a single loyal Ultramarine that skins their targets alive and leaves them as decorations.
@AsianPlagueDoctor3 ай бұрын
Ave Dominus Nox. We are just silly little guys
@thewhitestormtrooper56973 ай бұрын
You just killed 5 thousand people...
@SwissCheese343 ай бұрын
Just a silly goose
@mercy19623 ай бұрын
@@thewhitestormtrooper5697it’s well known the Night Lords have the lowest civilian casualties of all the various chapters during the Great War. All those orbital bombardments the Ultramarines and other chapters did killed a ton of civilians. Who is actually the more monstrous?
@Wormy_fren3 ай бұрын
The nightlords The planets they conquered rebelled once the fear which the night lords instilled faded away. You talk all about civilians and low casualties but rebellion only delays the rites of conquest. The night lords are pathetic, shielding their actions with excuses and incompetence. The only good thing which comes from them was Konrad, and he was the worst of the primarchs. @@mercy1962
@malin11403 ай бұрын
I really enjoy the Space Marines, but for games workshop.....Dust and Ashes
@NGorso13 ай бұрын
Can you translate that? The use of "but" in english can be difficult to comprehend
@odststalker51172 ай бұрын
"I could, but I do not" A heavy line indeed, and one that more people could benefit from hearing
@DurtyDan3 ай бұрын
"You fight to kill, to inflict pain and suffering because its fun. I fight to protect those too weak to protect themselves. We are not the same."
@user-mw5ff5us7g3 ай бұрын
fr space marines just suck to be around
@biggiezboi3 ай бұрын
Tbf that’s because space marines are only sent out when shit has hit the fan and you’re pretty sure that you’re going to use. IIRC after the Indomitus Crusade there is a million or so individual space marines that’s spread out across the Milky Way. That’s a lot of ground to cover.
@feifeili16583 ай бұрын
Being demigods among men will do that to you
@arstotzka90883 ай бұрын
Depends on who, for me, I'd rather be around a Salamander, Raven Guard or Ultramarine.
@treeherder422 ай бұрын
This book also has a part where a guardsman (pretty sure he's a farmer roped into the guard to keep it local) one shots a night lord immediately after another member of the group ends 2 or 3 with single well timed grenade . They do this to save an ultramarine prisoner and unless I'm mistaken it's the same one quoted here.
@palatonian96182 ай бұрын
Its wild how much more likely you are to be a good person when your basic needs are met and you are nurtured while growing up
@ExperimentalDude3 ай бұрын
i dont want to detract from this awesome clip but i gotta say what i love the most about your clips is the little character on the bottom gesticulating as if it was speaking
@frej74223 ай бұрын
NIGHT LORDS MENTIONED‼️‼️🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥🔥RAAAAH⚡⚡🦇🦇🦇🦇🦇AVE DOMINUS NOX🗣🗣🗣💯💯💯💯💯
@delshadsaid7313 ай бұрын
“We are the same and we are not the same” 🔥🔥
@grindersongear7593 ай бұрын
Yeah not many Space Marines fight quite like the night Lords do kiddo