Blazerent Blaze or when he gets one hit off her like Brox got his hit off sargeras

Even the way Sylvanas exits the gate is reminiscent of how the Lich King emerged at that fight.

yup. now go watch wrathgate remastered.

is this the first time a human was allowed to freely enter Orgrimmar ? dont know too much about the lore, but just curious

I gaurentee sylvanas Was the one that told him to do it. After all we've witnessed. Gilneas, Teldrasil, lordearon, And now she says the horde is nothing? The truth all comes out now... And what's even sadder, Tyrande has no mercy for the horde....And because of what happened at teldrasil, Anduin siding with the horde now is going to piss her off even more. More faction fractures are coming....I see it...

Just to show that Sylvanas has become Arthas 2.0, the very man she had hated all because she no longer finds any purpose in life anymore.

@@downsideupgoesgroar Yeah, but look at what she is now. She's declared war on life, turned from Alliance public enemy number one to Azeroth's most wanted and broke away alone from the Horde. She may have abandoned the Forsaken, mainly those still loyal to the Horde, but she is bent on making her own, one that shows absolute allegiance to her alone. Not to mention, she's gonna capitalize on N'Zoth's return just to make an army large enough to besiege Azeroth itself.

@@downsideupgoesgroar Well, whatever she's got in mind, it will never end well for the Alliance and the Horde.

@@downsideupgoesgroar i agree with you on that Greymane point, i was alliance from the time i started playing to now, Genn shouldnt have lived, his flaws are going to destroy the alliance.

hahahaha right

AYE, #1 DEATH IN WOW IN MY BOOKS, DONT YOU GO DISSING SAURFANG EVEN IF HE IS DEAD!

as soon as I saw him say that i scrolled down, you did not disappoint me xD

@Young Victor because they both knew he couldn't, he just needed to piss Sylvanas off so much she reveals her true colors.

@Young Victor yes, but 1, sylvanas is basically an assassin, you saw what she did those blades. Where Sarfang has his strength, and I think he knew that strength alone wasnt going to help.

And then gets decked, while he is down he changes back to arms and overpowers her. :P

Saurfangs sword skill has risen to 1

tink tink

Who?

Same. she cute.

Tink Tink (just keep an eye on r34 now lol)

Shaderunner LMAO

I don't know... yeah, the Horde gave the forsaken a home(although they still never liked them) when the alliance wouldn't, but the forsaken wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for Sylvanas. They'd be nothing, probably extinct. I'd say the forsaken owe Sylvanas way more than they ever will the Horde, tbh.

@@shushinfushin1312 Sylvanas gave them a rallying point but if it wasnt for the Horde accepting them and joining their ranks the scarlet crusade and surrounding human settlements would have chipped away at them until there was nothing left. And I wouldn't say all of the Horde didnt like them the Tauren had very close ties to them, trying to help them find a cure for undeath. A lore point that Blizz kind of totally forgot about.

@@Caedus696 Pretty sure the Belfs also were very close to them since quite a few of them were supposed to be elves in life.

@@shushinfushin1312 Look at it this way, they're nothing now either way 😉

It makes sense when she literally tells them they are nothing. She decries her people while Saurfang's forces are willing to accept any Forsaken dissenters without question. The Forsaken are named thusly because they were abandoned. Guess what Sylvanas just did? Guess what the Horde DIDN'T just do? It's like 1 + 1 = 2 at this point and I'm so happy the Forsaken are not canonically evil now.

Wait, really? She made a deal with Azshara? That hard confirms Azshara want(ed) to directly usurp Nzoth then, huh. Interesting stuff.

Dude, she's been using dark magics since WC3. Most of her abilities were dark magic. She used them more freely at the beginning of BoA to raise the dead and when using her banshee form. Don't know why people think she's suddenly gotten these powers. About the only thing different is they appear to have gotten stronger as she's never outright shadowblasted something before.

@@Servellion I think it's more that these dark powers are different and more potent. We've seen her use powers to poison her arrows and raise the dead, but she's never been much of a sorcerer or caster. That said it seems odd it was brought up now when the powers she used during the BfA cinematic is a lot alike, but whatever, so I'm half agreeing with you but it seems they're going the route of "She's more than just a ranger with necromantic powers thanks to Arthas/Lich King now". Either way on a different topic, I'm excited to see more about these powers of death and who or what might be steering both Azshara and Sylvanas, who apparently got Bwonsamdi and Helya following them too, and whether Lich King Bolvar knows about them, had contact or plans to join. It does seem like there's a third party entering the galactic war whilst Light and Void are busy with eachother, perhaps its to set up for Light and Void to team up and realize the two forces needs to co-exist since death means nothingness and so far even the Void relies on life to exist, which seems what Sylvanas refers to, that everyone standing there will one day die and then all these conflicts, honor, ideals and dreams means nothing. About Calia and Derek, it seems obvious Calia will take over, but it'd be epic if Derek stood up to help and lead the Forsaken as well, with their dynamic of normal and light forsaken. There's also some interesting, perhaps even romantic/poet, implication there of a new Queen and King of Lordaeron, but a flip, seeing as it was likely Arthas would've married Jaina who was also a Proudmoore, so in the end the former of people of Lordaeron gets their royal union of a Menethil and Proudmoore to lead them into their future.

I think she wants everyone to die so they can see the real person behind all this

@@prinstyrio0 Lor'themar, Thalyssra and Jaina, arguably three of the most magic-experienced beings, have no idea what kind it is, or where it's from. Visually perhaps the magic is similar colours to what we know, but to such powerful users, I suspect there's markers and things that help identify spells, like how a veteran artist could recognise particular techniques in a painting. What Sylvanas uses, they don't see anything in it that they're familiar with or can identify. And that's what troubles them.

Kalestrom Wow - someone's cutting onions here, too! Weird, that ...

im not crying, your crying. "grabs a tissue" i got dust in my eye yeah that's it.

Zappyboi 4 warchief

If you like games with stories that had a ton of onions, try FFXIV Shadowbringers. Though to understand it all, you will need to do all the mainstory questlines from A Realm Reborn all the way to the end of Shadowbringers as compared to where WOWs expansions are their own separate, XIVs expansions has a story thread that continues through all of them :) I will admit that even not playing BFA, I really like the cinematic. It was just too short as I am used to cutscene cinematics that lasts for like 20-30minutes ^^

I cried when we killed ysera and when Varian died... it just means the story matters to you

@@Dyllena Ysera was rough.... but Varian... jeez. A game shouldn't have that much power over emotions

@@AddamSolo no different from crying during a sad point in a book tbh.

@@Dyllena I've read hundreds of books both in childhood and teens through young adulthood. From animorphs to steven king, to biographies. A book never made me cry. Shows do though. Titanic did, rick grimes in walking dead, that did. but never a book

I agree. That facial animation- the sheer disgust and scorn on her face is superb.

Or they never bothered to click on Sylvannas back in vanilla.

@@roargathor Well, its true she has changed at least a bit after her death in ICC but I agree that a lot of people make it seem like she did a full 180 turn which is ridiculous.

tzo anast Peope are bashing it because it’s the obvious story plot that was basically established before bfa even launched, the writing has been super subpar and predictable and there hasn’t been anything interesting about it

@@xavion15 Oh? And what story plot would that be? Also a story plot being predictable doesnt mean its a bad one.

tzo anast Leader rises to power, wages a war, ends up forsaking their faction with the influence of an old god playing a part in it.. Hmm now where did this happen.. oh yeah Mists of Pandaria did something very similar didn’t they

You love to see it!

I feel the same.. tbh it sickens me how many "Horde" players side with Sylvanas

@Austin Harris Because there is no "Sylvanas" faction. Sylvanas never really cared about the Horde, obviously, and most people who followed Sylvanas I assume (can only speak in certainty for myself) wanted to follow her because it was her, not because she was or wasn't Horde. I don't get why people try to inject morals into a video game. When I started WoW, I chose Horde because they were the "baddies" so to speak. I wanted my role-playing experience to be with the villains. So I never once thought "oh, I need to insert logic and my real world values into a fantasy video game. I need to write off Sylvanas because she is evil." She is a damn good villain, and that was what I wanted from my WoW experience, as likely did the people who chose to follow her. They probably didn't want to be with the "My Honor hold-hands-and-sing-Kumbaya with the Alliance" Horde. As good as Legion was as an expansion, I still hated the whole Horde-Alliance team-up thing. I want the war, the conflict, the "good vs evil" as it were. Not everyone takes video games so seriously... definitely not to the point of kneeling and crying lol. The fact someone can be that invested in a video game frankly is terrifying.

@@SilverArrowsMP population in wow? got feeling the entire people in the world will be extinct xD unless the players populated it xD

SilverArrowsMP don’t be ridiculous. You’ve never been invested in a story before? World of Warcraft is a story at its core. It lives in the largest part through the vehicle of the video game, but there are dozens of novels, graphic novels, comics, etc. that the Warcraft world exists in, and the narrative writers have brought the story to life within the game. Don’t degrade people who have become invested in a story because part of that story takes place within a video game, that is so shallow. Human beings are wired to involve themselves in story.

I kinda agree. Sylvanas is cooking something. She must have been focused in a grand mission thats why she pertains them as tin soldiers sort of. She is kinda illidan but we are still unsure of her true motives and what will it bear fruit. Was she triggered? Or did she also took advantage of the duel. Did she predict this?

are we players getting prepared for a massive change in wow history, like everybody is going to become undead? even orcs?

Varian when he was young saved Saurfang's life and highly respected Thrall and Saurfang. There was a time when the entirety of the Orcs were captured and Varian convinced the captors to keep them alive instead of execution. Both Varian and Anduin are very powerfully willed and high spirited men. Doing what they believe is right. Both Horde and Alliance having people to attack the peace of all Azeroth.

See you in Ny'alotha mate, you will soon see the bigger picture 😊

and Saurfang smiles... He knows he has won

more of this story? holy shit you're the first person I've seen to ask that haha

I need more! We don't get enough :(

Canareh We havent gotten any cinematics except the trailers before bfa but in Bfa we have gotten like 5 cinematics. I think we get enough

dip.C Well I really mean just the story in the the cinematics, not the whole bfa expansion most of it sucks lol

@@slinttu1378 Oh yeah true lol. Blizzard trying to make up for a shitty expansion

tink tinked her way right into my heart.

tink tink

thrall is coming back as warchief. tho i think he needs to step up his game, no longer be green jesus.

We don't need a Warchief.

Thrall's not coming back as Warchief, as usual. I vote for Baine.

@@WarbossR0kt00fSant0s yes he is, trust me that would be the only reason they bring thrall back, you think they are going to bring him back to save baine and stand at the gates of orgrimmar while varok gets killed. then goes back into hiding, come on man this shit is writing itself.

@@demonpride1975 Doubtful, giving that Thrall has said that he wouldn't lead the Horde. Then again, because of this, anyone else more notable could be the new warchief.

It was always a show. She needed to rally them up, encourage them with the thing that they want to fight for, while she used them all the time.

So does cheating dark magics

i cried so much :( i loved this character....but i knew that this would come :(

same #herebeforethevideoevenplayed

me too! #herebeforethevideoevenplayed

David Vance correct, but she succeeded at achieving her goal, which was to unite the horde and alliance for a bigger threat yet to come

rambeck brad Absolutely. She definitely did an 'oops', but it's fine: she accomplished her goals. I don't think she meant to reveal herself just yet - you can see it on her face when she realized what she said.

@@Toganni because she doesn't care about either, she wants all life on Azeroth dead so that she can "enslave" them, hell she's so narcissistic that she thinks she can even enslave nzoth himself even tho we've never even seen him physically. Her problem is that she only cares for herself, she didn't even care for the rest of the forsaken who she "freed". Sylvanas was always evil ever since arthas died. I can continue if you want just let me know what it is you want

StealthySpy101 No need to continue, you're not saying anything I don't already know.

@@Toganni well that hurt, anyways I just thought you were trying to defend her

She felt/saw the disdain of the forsaken near her and realized "oh fuck, they all heard me" forsaken too for all their loyalty to the dark lady have clung to whatever little they had. In the end, as you saw, the undead went, with some hesitation at first, for the horde fully to the sound of tink tink.

I dont think it is her frustration with being told she failed. I think it is her frustration with everyone's reliance and illogical loyalties to something as vague as horde and alliance when there is far greater threats. Its pretty obvious she wanted to unite the factions and she simply saw a out earlier than expected. It is somewhat more explained in the loyalty quest after the cinematic.

For the Dark Lady

Saurfang was absolutely egging her on. He knew he stood no chance. He just wanted to display something to her Horde

The next Warchief? The golden hair boy in the blue clothes ;)

I guess we shall see! But that looked very calculated to me. Like, it served her purpose better than she the previous thing she was doing so she went with it

@@MissildineOnline I guess that's just a testament to how good blizzard is at making these videos. To imbue such emotion that we debate the feeling. Simply amazing.