Most LGS in my area are allowing 10 proxies even in tournaments with prizes. The community is moving on without them.

Prof, you should make a sign petetion to remove the reserve list. Even if it is online I would gladly sign it!!!

@@jholopez1993 You can do something too! Submit feedback straight to Wizards and ask them to remove the list: support.wizards.com/hc/en-us/requests/new

Prof, when will be the next episode of tolarian winds?

Dear Reckless Proxies are a necessary evil & Hasbro/WotC also deserve their trouble with illegal forgeries for this nonsense that they are upholding, as well as any other categories of cards in hot demand that they’r not reprinting fast enough in meaningful quantities. D-e-s-e-r-v-e i-t!

Mark Rosewater: How will you do that? The Professor: *laughs in Oubliette*

@@Cheapducky Gauntlet fitted with the 5 original Mox (Moxen idk)

And yet, one year later...

Legally he knows his hands are not tied. Maro has done everything he can, quite literally, because he doesnt take the executive decisions at hasbro. He might have tried, but the true blockade is not the RL players, its WotC itself... :(

How does your comment not have a billion likes already?

*Salute*

If you agree with the Professor let Wizards know! Submit feedback straight to them: support.wizards.com/hc/en-us/requests/new

@@atlys258 a billion people don't play magic... Yet... Lol

@@olah420 just did :)

it really is a shame that only millionaires can afford to draft mtg30th. sounds like a good time

@@Jalae having a good time isn't for you I guess

@@Jalae Don't buy it till they get desperate and cut the price down by atleast 90%.

@@Jalae For that kind of money I can have a much funner time than drafting Magic.

@@Wallyworld30 I guess I could demote Lisette from commander and get Atraxa along with a gaea’s cradle. If I must speak mtg

Those lands are okay except for the fact that they don't count as the respective land type so you can't get them with fetches

Same

@@EvlEgle The issue is that WotC will legitimately suspend his LGS status and ability to host sanctioned tournaments at all if they ever found out. While I agree, and have experienced similar surges when proxies were allowed, it is simply a matter of safeguarding his business (unless he's been trying to sell the same damaged Moat for SCG NM price for five years; then he's just dumb).

I'm just here to appreciate "the before time" comment 😂

@@davidpoelman6152 there was a store near me that allowed proxy legacy night with the fine print being if you won you used some of your winnings to purchase the cards for real so people were just coming and doing absurd decks and beating those who had the cards, and they almost always had a full house.

I've been to stores like yours and they're always a good time. I've also been in stores where the player base has money and so they complain that everyone should use real cards. From what I've observed proxy shops are where it's at.

Magic is ridiculously expensive but at least it isn't as expensive as yugioh is

cLuTcH BleacH I hope it never dies

halfpintrr I think he means the death of the game in terms of official play and finance. That way it can be just a game again.

I've played (started in 2003), then quit. started playing again, then quit. then in 2017 started playing yet again. When I got a look at the pricing in 2017 I about crapped my pants at how expensive it was. For example: Staff of Domination was a $0.50 rare when it came out and for a loooong time after. Now it's $56???? There's no shortage of this card. Fifth Dawn was produced in MASSIVE numbers! Also, why hasn't this card been reprinted in 16 years?? This game will certainly die if we can't get in more new players... and that starts with getting costs under control!!

@@georgedriff5156 How so? Yugioh is usually pretty generous with their reprints, and there are fairly regular reprint sets. You can expect a reprint reasonably soon (their annual tins and supplemental products have reprinted some big cards; e.g., Borreload Savage, Phantazmay, etc.). Their preconstructed decks are usually pretty good, to the point that you can pick up 3 of them (~$10 each; $30 total) and a handful of budget cards to make a surprisingly decent deck (Dinosmasher's Fury, Soulburner, even Shaddoll Showdown come to mind). I think it's significantly harder to play high-level Magic on a budget.

@@austinwilburn1772 I think that was his point, which is why this is so relevant event today. Reserve list is a lie. It only serves to gate keep newer players out of the most popular format. Luxury cardboard rectangles

I came to comment this. Aged even better than the professor himself

How so? Reserve List is still there and never going anywhere. So how did this age so well? also its hilarious how you people lick this dudes boots nonstop; a pseudo-intellectual goofball with the worst takes on nearly everything. lmao

​@@Syne111i play yu gi oh, and the card blue eyes white dragon, is reprinted very commenly, and so is Dark magician, but the orginal LOB set 1st edition blue eyes white dragon costs a ton of money. This shows how renoving the reserve list will not effect value as much

@@Syne111 ok, I dont see that happen much in yu gi oh but maybe it happens in magic, even so is it not better to let players have these cards without spending tons of money? There was a card in yu gi oh that everybody HAD to run in order to have a playable deck and was $100 for 3 copies. Same with many many other cards, all the reserve list does is create a gap between the players who cannot afford to pay for the best cards and those who can; us yu gi oh players we celebrate whenever a card gets reprinted and also "no it doesn't " referring to blue eyes white dragon a first edition blue eyes for the LOB set costs well over $1,000 and a non 1st ed will cost you $38 this is a card that has seceral reprints that cost only a few cents. The orginal keeps its value bc it's still rare

I've had this discussion with a friend of mine that the format doesn't see a ton of innovation because it prices too many people out. I'd absolutely give the format a shot if it were affordable.

Over the years I've watched several of my local stores try proxy legacy events. People quickly lose interest, returned to other formats, and the stores abandon the events.

Absolutely! I've always been curious about legacy, but again, cant play because of being priced out 😅

I would love to play legacy in paper. So much.

Just play burn!

So if fetches were the gateway for og duals, what’s next after oubliette?

😂😂

I've got tons of the original duals and the blue third of the power nine. Reprint all of them, cowards!

I have 2 fetches. Ones 25$, the other is 12$

Same. I also own some og duals and would be more than happy to see other players being able to access these gamepieces. Wtf it's a childrens game after all.

I own one of every dual land, and a gaea's cradle. My pod and I proxy them. I have people in my pod that my cards are older than lol they shouldn't be held back because I'm old and have old cards

I think they should reprint them, but do new art which is very spartan (maybe even no art at all or some ugly thing just to stop counterfeits). Hell, give them new names if possible. That would help to preserve a lot of the value for RL cards and treat them like collectors' items and not some horrible p2win racket.

It would be nice if we could at least like, proxy those cards or something in tournaments or something

a sensible person wont even play with those cards lmao and most old cards are banned anyways so whats the reason and why would you punish the people who helped making mtg big how it like now and ruin all their collection's, what i always say if you dont have the cards just play mtg online.and even if they make a new edition the OLD ART is way better then the new ugly art now a days its all kid's friendly and the funny part is no KID from 12-14 years old is going to the playstore at 21:00 h till 01:00 to play a tournament.

Free on XMAGE. Always has been

@@RFlairMusic I actually already play on XMage. I meant playing Vintage in paper. Although it isn't always easy to get Vintage games going on XMage, but I do play Vintage on XMage.

@@TheGloriousLobsterEmperor if you haven't already go to the beta server and ask about the discord. Vintage , legacy and historic drafts multiple times a week with people who finish games. I feel you though I love paper magic but cannot be arsed to spend the kinda money. One option a friend of mine is looking at is getting some high quality proxy's made for a vintage cube.

@@RFlairMusic I don't really like draft much, I'm already in the Discord so yeah I'll start asking for Vintage.

@@TheGloriousLobsterEmperor I'll cya there brotha

The Truest Reprintman.

Exactly. Plus, people don't even play with those as game pieces usually.

they were even standard legal for a time too, I understand wizards wanting to respect people's collections but looking at it now I doubt it would hurt the value of those

@@RozzzaSsarcasmo yeah it's like getting a CD of the dark side of the moon and saying it'll drive the price of the original lp down, old is old, and old is valuable. No excuses.

That's because they new printed cards will never have the wizards logo in them and the 1st edition icon.

The thing is that those are the prices they were meant to have as collector's pieces from the beginning of the game. Reprints of Reserved List cards would still fetch a high price, but the Reserved List as a concept artificially inflated the prices of cards that were already going to be expensive to begin with, so if that price bubble were to burst, prices WOULD tank. Obviously not to hyperbolic levels like 10 dollars, but it wouldn't be insane to see a 300 dollar card drop to 100 dollars. That's still 66% of its price shaved off.

we're already there. it's how everyone I know plays vintage/legacy, there's not many players buying real cards. just "investors"

You’re already allowed counterfeit cards in your deck, it’s legal ( but frowned on ) to use 7 proxy cards ( fakes )

@ did not know that thanks for the correction 🤘🏼

This already exists, it's called using proxies

@@architectofdreams73 yes but I’ve only ever seen proxies allowed in Vintage tournaments not Legacy.

In the case of reserve list reprints they could go with the "priceless treasures" thing they had going for OG Zendikar.

Or even time-shifted purple rares. The original expeditions

Or these days, box-toppers, because they seem to be confusing the terms expeditions and box-toppers in the new Zebdikar set.

@@ArchChronarch Priceless treasures used pre existing reserve list cards that wizards hadn't put into packs. If they reprint then it's not "priceless treasure", it's just a reprint.

Secret lair ultimate edition 2

Join them in their quest for reprints! Submit feedback straight to Wizards and ask them to remove the list: support.wizards.com/hc/en-us/requests/new

Yes, Please!!!!!! I have been playing this game since unlimited. I own a lot of reserved list cards, and I beg for the removal of this list. Please WOTC listen to this man's wisdom.

@@olah420 it says feedback request but on the wotc side it's probably labeled marketing data collection point lol then all feedback gets printed out and straight to a dumpster fire

WOTC: Here have a walk in my shoes. -Gives them Jace shoes

@@olah420 Just did it

YES

@@tmc5243 Ashaya and Multani are better versions of Wood Elemental so it wouldn't see play in most formats probably.

@Sterling Sundby not everything needs to be draftable

That's their point. Wood Elemental is basically unplayable. The Revered Wood Elemental!

Suddenly a whole swath of players will experience the pain of getting Sharazade cast on them.

Realize lots of cedh games allow proxies. Look up the top deck series

They *were* doing that, and got into shit for it with Hasbro and had to stop. Specifically, Judge foils like Survival of the Fittest.

I'll use my moxen to wipe up your tears while you cry about wanting collectable cards. Investors drive a large part of cards sales, those same people hold money in rl cards. Making the dumb assumption that people driving price due to playability and collectability are the same thing is hilariously wrong. This is why reprinting with different art won't work.

Mitch no are you sure you replied to the right post..? Edit: Guess he did, it’s just strangely hostile.

@@cosmo56 yeah, strange, people that worked hard for what they have is at risk to lose 10s of thousands of dollars just because some people want everything handed to them and don't want to proxy. Weird.

@@sjdhrjrjejdhdhsh why is your retirement in cardboard investments

You my guy, are a hero.

I’m in the same boat. Though I see a world where duals become irrelevant

Same dude. I have enough duels for 8? almost fully kitted EDH decks. Id giev away my value in a heartbeat if more people could play the game at high power levels.

Then first thing I'd do is build RUG Delver 😃

Same man

I was born in 1987, had some cards back then, but was a filthy little kid ... and my parents were poor af ... so yeah, someday I sold or gifted my small collection to someone, can't remember exactly. ***travels back in time to kick my smaller self in the balls***

no joke. I was too young to care when the original sets came out, so I'm basically locked out.

that's just life man lol RL still dumb tho

Thats not true. I found disappointment in a pack just yesterday

@@spicytrans_cupcake554 I just remember opening a handful of packs when I was a kid and still have some random cool collectibles from that time of zendikar and scars. Nowadays I just buy singles because everything I want is in a collector's booster

Do they even put cards in 4 dollar packs anymore? Lol, I did like m21 though. It had some good stuff.

Quin M21 is sick

Well, they do. But when those things get too good WotC bans them in a bunch of formats.

I'm so happy the Professor made this video. If you agree with him let Wizards know and submit feedback directly to them: support.wizards.com/hc/en-us/requests/new

Go big or go home I guess lol

If they do get rid of the RL, I better see Chronicles 2.

Then 2 years later...

You say that, but my beanie babies are set to make me a fortune here when I retire! After all, they were worth millions last I checked! /s In all seriousness, price is what mainly keeps me from playing magic anymore. Standard was set to change far too often for my liking back when I left the game in 2014. I had played commander for a while, but even there the staples at the time were really expensive, leaving me with janky decks to try and refine. Legacy, Vintage, and Modern weren't even options for me at the time. Now, I just watch as the game slowly crumbles from afar, just as I did with Yu-Gi-Oh years ago.

A lot of anger in you for some reason. People have been making bank on card games for decades, why does that piss you off?

I lost you at the "children's card game" comment. Why are you even on this channel? I've seen plenty of teenagers playing MTG, but never a "kid." Magic is a seriously complex game, with many adult fans. But, in all seriousness, the Reserved List only really protects the somewhat "newer" and less scarce cards on the list. There's no real reason to "protect" cards from the original few sets. You could reprint those and it wouldn't affect the price at all.

@@eslnoob191 "seriously complex game" you have 40 iq

Just use a proxy for Angus and many players will understand and allow you to continue unless you are in a tournament.

Seems like there's a slight difference between your $20 card losing value and your $800+ card losing value

@@somedude3236 Dude, you really have no idea what you're talking about, Blue-Eyes White Dragon in YuGiOh is arguably the most reprinted card ever, but the original LOB printing still is worth over $600

@@somedude3236 those cards never would've been worth $800 in the first place if they were regularly reprinted like every other card in this game.

@@somedude3236 See here's the issue with the argument of an "$800+ card" losing value. The investment into that card in the first place was like $3.50 at most. It's a $3.50 card that has it's value inflated because it's never been reprinted. Though as has been used as an example, Shivan Dragon alpha has a value still well above $5000 even though there are modern reprints of the card. The proxy Collector's Edition has a value of around $130 even though there has been modern reprints of the card. Reprints don't crush the value of older cards, first edition prints will ALWAYS hold value. Even if you look into other card games, as someone else here has already mentioned, a Blue-Eyes White Dragon (DDS) holds a value of $850 for a DAMAGED copy. Close to $2000 for a NM copy, and it's one of the most reprinted cards in Yu-Gi-Oh. If a card is going to hold value, it will hold that value wither it's reprinted a lot or not, because people will always want to own a first edition or shiny copy of the card and there are only so many copies of the first edition printing. The issue with MTG is there are to many cry baby investors that don't give two shits about the game who will cry the moment you dare threaten their "investment" for the sake of making the game better. You dare add some risk to their investment and it's like you've kicked their dog. The game is far better off ignoring those investors and doing what is best for the player base. The reserve list was a stupid idea by WotC to make a small vocal group of people happy, and in the end all it's done is hurt their game in the long run.

@@somedude3236 it's only 800$ because of the reserve list. I wish the moxen and lotuses were widely reprinted bc then collector's would only collect as a hobby rather than a retirement plan.

Time to make your voice heard! Ask Wizards directly to remove the list! support.wizards.com/hc/en-us/requests/new

Facts

But then you might not play standard. We want you to play standard, with your friends on Friday night! *counts their money from cycling out sets*

@@snarferyasmr3739 Exactly. It's painfuly obvious what formats Wizards does and does not want people interested in.

I could say the same thing about magic in general

He wouldn't care what so ever

@@akselhansen304 sure he wouldn't. As demonstrated in the video, the cards wouldn't lose much value. Or any value in long term.

Taco floppiness intensifies

@@eusouzoom Yep, and Rudy has spelled this out several times.

The Reserved List makes collectors safe. The reserved list makes players free.

What?

@@kitfisto6345 i think it might have something to do with ace attorney being a court room game, no clue other than than lol

@@kitfisto6345 Ace Attorney games are home to many ridiculous and over the top twists. Gatorboy is saying that one card costing this much is way too ridiculous even for those games

you sir are a man of honor

But that means... Everybody would be happy. We can't have that!

Yes! I'm a new player. ~3 month in and I don't know how to deal with the fetchland situation. I like this game, but do I want to support a company that makes staple cards so unavailable?

amen my bro

@@kartoffeldrucker you know you can just go to a card shop and by one right.

This is actually an interesting insight on the matter. Thanks

This is not true for reserve list cards recently (within the last 2-5 years) purchased, especially the Revised dual lands. Prof omits Revised from his discussion and examples, let's evaluate Birds of Paradise (Approximate MTG Goldfish / large retailer / ebay Pricing): Alpha $3000 (high variance) Beta: $1400 Unlimited: $170 ... Revised $15 Modern Printings $7-8 BaB Promo $50 So for birds, it's a 10x jump from Unlimited (3rd) to Revised (4th). It's 200x jump from Revised (3rd) to Alpha for Birds. Same exercise with Underground Sea: Alpha: $7500 (high variance) Beta: $2800 Unlimited: $1000 Revised: $650 It's a 2x jump from Unlimited (3rd) to Revised (4th). It's only 10-15x jump from Revised (3rd) to Alpha. Convenient omission? A 200 fold price increase vs a 15 fold price premium? The mass reprinting of original Dual Lands would crush Revised Dual prices. There will be casualties of "just print", and they're mostly invested players who already own their Revised duals.

@@apocalex13 You're right. The old versions of cards are high in value because there are only collectors that wants to buyt them. If players AND collectors wants to buy them then the price will go higher in EVERY editions because no matter what you need this card to play. I can't believe people can think this has no effect, either they don't know the basics of economic or they are really dumb. Every argument in this video is BS Another example is back to basics, look at the price when the card was on the RL and now. The old one has litteraly dropped from 50€ to 10€. It did not increase in value ^^ And I'm not even speaking about cards that wasn't on the RL like grim tutor. This card isn't played in a lot of formats yet its price went from 200~300€ to 80~100€. If the RL disappear the price of the duals will not tank it at all

This comment is so wrong. Eliminating the reserved list wouldn't damage values? Seriously? Cause WoTc wouldn't reprint these cards to oblivion, right?. How many tarmogoyf or Scalding Tarn versions are there? Now imagine if there was just one version, from a set long ago never having been reprinted. Would be worth a lot more right? Of course. Wizards will never replace the reserved list because it's the shining jewel of MTG. Anyone looking from an outside perspective who's never played goes damn there's cards worth thousands. Now imagine no reserved list, from outside perspective looks like a stupid kids card game. Would lamborghini be as respectable if it was as cheap as toyota's? Stop complaining about exclusivity. You're a socialist, clearly.

@@BetterYouNow If you think that there aren't people who still look at Magic "like a stupid kids card game" even and ESPECIALLY when they find out the price of an Alpha Black Lotus, I've got some bad news for you, friend.

The same for me. Have them, want others to have them so we can play vintage for real :)

Yeah I have thousands of dollars worth of reserve list cards. But they are useless because I can almost never find people with the collection to play. Please reprint them. Even if it drives the $$ value down for my collection. My true value of the cards is the ability to play magic with them.

what you guys should do is gather all the people who said they wanted a reserved list and say Take it down for the sake of the game and see what happens. Maybe then you guys can play mtg with us New Bloods Lol

@@ArmyAlex95 Honestly, what saved MTG games for me n' friends was commander, as i can still somewhat use many of my collections without 'breaking' the game to unjust levels (well, sadly no using Mishra's Workshop and alike). Got to the point that even competitions we've stopped playing cause some people are using proxy to play for fun instead of using those thousands to play the game or that just can't find the damn card to build the deck... just sad.

@@zukiginagato2215 I definitely see what your saying. im glad to hear you and your friends found commander as your saving point, because me and my buddies only play that format LOL we love it. I just recently made a Muldrotha graveyard deck and it was disgusting. I had so much fun with her and my friends did not, lol. Reserved list or not, i still find ways to have a 6 hr game period go by in like 20 minutes it feels. i like magic too much

@@psionicfish I'd play vintage and legacy if the cards were affordable.

I dead-ass couldn't breathe.

Actually Wizards though: "Sweet! We saved you more money to spend on Standard."

@@jasonoshman1079 that's if people are actually playing standard.

@@k1n6n07h1n6 Wizards: "Not a fan of standard right now? ... Can we interest you in some... standard?" *Slides 50 Gold across the digital Arena table*

@@jasonoshman1079 as someone who doesn't play Arena, your gold has no power here!

at least those cards are still around thinks to those investors

@@kalackninja Yeah because players are known for tearing up their cards on the regular. A player's collection and an investor's collection run very similar risks, overall.

@@ms.aelanwyr.ilaicos yes so why fuck over your fellow players investments? But players do play with them and do damage them.

@@ms.aelanwyr.ilaicos Because you know, there aren't such cards that are MP/HP/Damaged right? Because... players and collectors are VERY similar.

@@jdmj0 Yeah, because the only way a card degrades is through play, and because players still treat cards like garbage just like they did in '95.

@@psionicfish bad take... You provide nothing more than your opinion.

@@psionicfish Who says I'm poor? The reserved list is stupid, you're just concerned your '40+ dual lands' will drop so much in value that you won't be able to sell them for a profit. I don't give a fuck of you have 40 dual lands or not bruh, it's more about giving access to these dual lands to everyone equally.

@@psionicfish I can tell you're a Republican (or, just in case you're not american, then generically right wing*) even just from the way you talk about a card game, and that shouldn't make you proud. *I feel like you're American though. And that shouldn't make you proud either 😂

@@BradleyAshley you can play shock lands instead of duals with almost no issue in legacy

@@ziegfeld4131 Lol. Just, lol.

Agreed.

Both foil versions

My wife use to work at men's warehouse she took one look at this video and promptly let me know he got the suit from there.

Yeah and he also never intended for people to have play sets of black lotus and such. Can you imagine I'd the game was "play what you pull" these days? Would be crazy lol.

He stated, that no card should cost more than 5$ to ensure that everybody can play whatever they want... *angrily looking at Uro*

@@Cinomod6066 that's a problem of external factors... it'd be impossible to keep that a secret when you'll have people sharing info on the WWW and some would even do the math needed to estimate rarities. WotC knew it was a lost battle back in the times of message boards

@@caligo7918 yes, but designed the set with cards that are OBVIOUSLY wayyyy more powerful and rare than other cards... so... yeah.

@@thatepicwizardguy That doesn't matter. He thought people would buy maybe two packs in their life and move on. They were not meant to be put in a pedestal.

Exactly

It's more like they're legally obligated to state that they don't believe in the secondary market

There’s numerous examples of this hypocrisy. 5 cards in a secret lair for $300+ but they don’t acknowledge the secondary market? 🤔

they don't believe that, they claim that.

They do acknowledge the secondary market. They work with companies that obviously sell singles. They just ignore the prices.

You are forgetting oubliette

Yeah cause nobody would be upset about the card that they saved up for months and spent $400+ was suddenly worth $80 cause WoTc sold out. If you can create a solution where those ppl don't get fucked over than reprint dual lands by all means. Until then go work for your shit like the rest of us and save up until you can buy what you need, instead of complaining that you can't have it. This is like complaining lamborghini is too expensive and they should manufacture more so it becomes cheaper for you to buy and drive/enjoy.

Thing is they aren't even reprinting them in meaningful ways :/

@@juniper3847 in 2021 they are, in modern horizons 2

@@BetterYouNow Yeah because "suffer like i did or ill be a lil bitch about it" behavior is currently what is driving away new players and the price points, all because you're butthurt about a piece of cardboard being reprinted for more people to access and enjoy. If you saved up for months and didnt do the research ahead of time or waited to see possible reprints then that's your fault not anyone elses. resell it at a slight loss and buy the cheaper land then, the fuck? or save it to sell a couple years later. comparing a mass printed card that can easily be reprinted at any time, to a luxury car is the weakest example you can come up with. In fact, its ironic considering a similar example was literally explained in this video. TL:DR You're an idiot.

So glad I wasn't the only one to notice this.

Lmfao HE'S DRUNK WITH POWER

If he manages it, I will truely applaud him! (And I own most RL cards)

I've gone mad with power!

@@TolarianCommunityCollege You'd be the only one of us with Power at those Power 9 prices...*Ba dum tss*

@@TolarianCommunityCollege have you tried going mad without it????

You got it! Let's start speaking up and ask Wizards directly to remove the list: support.wizards.com/hc/en-us/requests/new

Ditto to both the new MTG player and the longtime comics collector. The reserve list makes no economic sense.

Yep this is the point I make every time. your amazing fantasy #16 will never go down in value when they reprint it in a graphic novel or a free comic on free comic book day!

They are just putting money in china's counterfiter pockets at this point.

i as well agree despite evidence proving otherwise

I 100% agree. Vote with your voice! Submit feedback straight to Wizards and ask them to remove the list: support.wizards.com/hc/en-us/requests/new

Try proxying! It works out great and still feels like normal magic. If you go to philo-jh.github.io/MTG-Proxy-Generator/ you can find a great website to proxy cards. :)

Sorry sir, but with that budget Wizards believe you should be on the Standard hampster wheel.

What's the problem? Just proxy the cards you need. Or play other formats.

Proxies

Damn, I didn't know about this. It's like the perfect argument *for* the reprinting of the reserved list cards. Why isn't this talked about?

Pokémon is not MtG

They did not REPRINT. They printed cards Similar to the old ones. They altered the cards oh HP and abilities. They are also NOT 1st edition etc...

@@chocolateking1143 You're right. They made BETTER versions of them. Literally made them MORE powerful, but the originals are still worth more. Funny, huh?

@@cameronmoerer6244 to be fair the cards are still unplayable. I can count on my fingers how many cards of that set are actually playable. Your point isn't invalid but your argument kinda is.

Absolutely! It's time we as a community started speaking up. Submit feedback straight to Wizards and ask them to remove the list! support.wizards.com/hc/en-us/requests/new

a) Wizards is willing to print cards with very similar effects to reserve list cards, like fork and reverberate. b) Reserve list cards wizards doesn't functionally reprint are generally busted and unfun cards that wizards has demonstrated they have no interest in reprinting (they never reprinted a single OG dual from 1994 - 2010 as a judge promo or anything else) c) Non reserve list cards are still $100+. Underground sea gets reprinted you not gonna get it for less than $250 unless wizards drastically changes reprint policy A better strategy is to ban broken cards, because you know, they are busted and push for effective, fair functional reprints. I edited point a), as Welverin pointed out my initial statement was incorrect.

Not a chance for RL to go. Even Rosewater stated that the reserved list is here to stay. One time after reprinting a couple of rhe RL cards in FtV something happened. Something even Rosewater was too afraid to publicly state it.

@@darkstar949 it doesnt matter if the vast majority of cards on the list are not in high demand what matters is that there are high demand cards on the list. Thats what is hurting the games longevity specifically in legacy and vintage. Thats the point besides all those cards on the list are still on demand, even if not high demand, for collection, cube, edh or even jank purposes and it takes away from players having such a list.

Interestingly there are two different aspects at play here. 1) The whole "legal argument" about promissory estoppel fails as a result entirely because the speculator community has failed to uphold the community side of the promise. 2) Evidence shows that the value of the original versions will RISE if the cards are reprinted, due to access. Remember that prior to MM1 Tarmogoyf was 80...ish, and after the drop, it spiked up to close to 200 (Obviously it's gone down due to being reprinted another 4 times and due to the metas of modern and legacy) - we've seen this happen with a number of different cards that see play in the largest formats (Modern/EDH/Legacy.)

Very important observation! Thankfully, if that is the wording then it's easier for them to renege on such a policy.

@@josephrivera9818 they can't though, not legally without facing a giant class action lawsuit. It's the nature of the 'contract' they established. That has been my understanding and I am not sure prof is right here. I would actually like to hear from a legal expert on this.

Separate from his legal analysis prof touched on what would be the biggest issue with suing, the pretty well established fact that either the original cards won't come down in value, or they'll come down but only as part of a broader rotation of investor money out of reserved list cards and into sealed or another collectible or whatever, not at all due to the broken "promise." You can't claim you relied on their "promise" to your detriment if there's no detriment, so your case is DOA. Then even if you could somehow win you'd have no damages. No one is spending $120K ballpark to sue over the fact that duals got reprinted and then doubled in value so they're owed $0. Frankly a stronger case would be investor vs investor against the investors who manipulated the market to suppress prices and corner all the product by nagging wizards into making and retaining the reserved list.

@@Chris-ci8vs there is no contract with anyone. the professor is 100% correct. the reserve list has 0 legal leg to stand on. the lack of "consideration" means there is literally no contract. www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/consideration-every-contract-needs-33361.html

@@ParabolicLabs They can also remove cards one by one until there is only the power 9. They won't get any lawsuit because the list still exists. "They fullfiled their promise".

If you want the list gone submit feedback straight to Wizards and let them know! support.wizards.com/hc/en-us/requests/new

Proxies!

@@ssnow5516 nobody wants to play with proxies. They're ugly and its just not the same.

@@robbeyer-bowden2097 pretending like old style cards are not ugly by default.

@@mmorkinism old cards are so beautiful. I hope I would started playing when they were around.

I'd be willing to accept a Didgeridoo SLD if it meant the game was widely accessible.

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... Does it at least come with a couple good Minotaurs? 🤨

@@TopsideCrisis346 Secret Lair: Didgeridoo comes with 1x Didgeridoo 1x Anaba Ancestor 1x Anaba Bodyguard 1x Anaba Shaman 1x Anaba Spirit Crafter So no, it comes with 3 crappy Minotaurs and 1 decent lord.

Goblin Grenade!

There were some fun playable commons like High Tide, Initiates of the Ebon Hand, and Goblin War Drums

@@mikeciul8599 High Tide is good. I loved Initiates, too!

Well, it was, literally, a joke. So yes

@@mattpfarr6129 🙄

Or keep the list but the only card left on it is Wood Elemental.

Or just change the art, names, and list

@@INTCUWUSIUA BOOOOOOOOO I really want to build a Wood Elemental deck!

No, kookus must remain, along with his keeper. He is too powerful to simply release from his shackles

Or keep the 9 racist cards on reserve list. Everything else free game.

Except for the 75 dollar a pack price tag.

@@t.estable3856 Hey with inflation, that amount of money in that year might even buy you a coffee!

@@pizzamandhx have you ever heard of starbucks?

@@imperialphoenix1229 answer me this: am I weird/retarded for wanting fetch lands in standard?

And then Dual Lands original printings were worth $0.04 and everyone hated Magic!

Then just proxy them?

hey have you seen the news buddy

@@Farfa The monkey's paw definitely curled on that wish.

Bruh do I have news for you 👀

Wish granted

Indeed... I feel the bulk of the market is circle jerky, like a miniature version of the real estate bubble from about a decade ago. Very few people buy those to play, most buy them "because they're expensive and OUGHT to get more expensive" but I find the idea that few actual players are the ones keeping those cards in circulation is sad

As of the recent spike in the past month or so, absolutely. Legacy is officially dead unless WOTC acts.

The people who would hate the dump of the reserved list likely aren't even fans, they're just daddy's money Porsche owning shitlords.

In cEDH, its acceptable to use proxies, as most of the needed cards are expensive

Let's start speaking up so these cards ARE more affordable and accessible. Submit feedback straight to Wizards and let them know how you feel about the list: support.wizards.com/hc/en-us/requests/new

@@Cyberbobafett321 It might not feel acceptable to them :)

@@ms.aelanwyr.ilaicos Thats fair enough

Unfortunately his arguments were tremendously weak and inherently dishonest as he employed assumption based logic which is necessarily inherently fallacious. It’s flawed but it’s nature and easily discarded. This video was absolutely worthless and grossly negligent and harmful to the community

Yeah, because it's a stupid idea lol

The reserve list only caters to 40 year old collectors and investors that have nothing to do with the game other then hurting it. Wish WoTC would give the game back to the players.

Oh it is a ban list. It bans normal people from being able to own these retardedly expensive cards

Prof got a somewhat meangingful reprint of fetches next year in modern horizons 2.

“Dualies”. Nobody is fighting anybody :)

If you want them to reprint dualies let them know! Submit feedback straight to Wizards and ask them to remove the list: support.wizards.com/hc/en-us/requests/new

If they don’t want to reprint duals, print trilands that come in untapped and are all 3 respective land types.

Just go out and buy fetches. theres no shortage. They doesnt expire if you play them sleeved. Duals? Just go out and buy them. theres no shortage. They doesnt expire if you play them sleeved. Buy revised or ita-fra-ger duals. There are a ton out there. No need to get the NM ones, just grab some tournament legal. Cmon dont be crybabies.

"fact"

uhh what? There's no law preventing reprinting.

@@safersephiroth943 no u

@@darkstar949 okay?

@@TolarianCommunityCollege Article 7 section 403.2 states, "any reproduction of the reserved list is punishable by a minimum of 3 years in federal prison". That's just the law, Brian. I mean, there's no disagreement there.

The almighty 2/2 Islandwalk for 3, with a downside !

BEHOLD!! The subtle art of sarcasm in action. THIS is how it's done!!

People tend to forget that it's not just the Power 9 that is on the reserved list. When you actually look at it, there are a lot of cards that make no sense being there

"And let us not forget the reality of the theoretical lawsuit: it would all but certainly be a class-action suit. Counsel would be assigned, a fair settlement crafted to appeal to the court's punitive instincts would be reached (several orders of magnitude below the several billion USD that r/mtgfinance tells itself it would be owed), and every Magic player who responded to their letter in the mail would get all of a few cents by check." (disclaimer: I am not a lawyer) I would imagine that it also depends on how far the lawsuit is able to proceed - which (again, just an uneducated guess) I would imagine depends on the arguments presented by plaintiffs, the laws cited as applicable, evidence that such laws are applicable, etc.

@@DanknDerpyGamer Not a lawyer, but some legal training under my belt: it absolutely would. Even getting to the negotiation stage is a big "if" when you're dealing with a novel legal issue that some random judge might just as soon toss out of court.

Submit feedback straight to Wizards and let them know how you feel! support.wizards.com/hc/en-us/requests/new Let's get rid of the Reserved List!

It's a trading card game. There will always be extreme chase cards. Either play formats that don't require pricy stuff or play chess.

@@VMC_Boy what does that have to do with the topic at hand. Expensive cards will exist without the RL, but that is even more reason for there to not be an RL. Your argument in nonsense.

Jason, there is no point in silly requests. The RL is here to stay. Just save and buy the cards you need or proxy them. There are people who invested bilions of dollars in the RL and they are powerful and wealthy people who can raze the wotc to the ground if the abolish it. My advice is just to get over it and move on

@@radip I honestly don't believe they would be "razed to the ground" given that the WotC's lawyers are Hasbro's lawyers, who fight legal cases against much bigger corporations on a daily basis. Besides, a promissory estoppel is a case so weak that one would have to be willing to spend their cards investment itself to win a case that is not worth it

This solution is so obvious, that it's almost comical they haven't done it. The change in card borders alone would be enough to make it obvious which is new and which is original, but new art is an even better idea. They certainly love releasing cards with two or three different styles in a single set as of late.

@@wesleywyndam-pryce5305 I think it's specifically to make it obvious which ones are the new cards. For people just wanting a copy so they can play it, it doesn't matter that much what the art or border looks like, but for actual collectors, and there will still be tons of those people, the original art and border is PARAMOUNT. That way basically everyone can get what they want...collectors can still own their original printings that are still very obviously distinct and hard to get, and new players can have access to the cards for their effects.

I would 100% watch that!

I think he's arguing it would be a difficult case for the person suing.

You could sue. You can sue anyone over anything, that's a legal right. You just wouldn't win. In fact, if the Professor is right about some of the things he says, you might have difficulty finding a lawyer who'd do the suing for you.

I was honestly expecting it to happen when he brought up the legal side of things.

You can sue, you just wouldn't win

- and it is here to stay

*Bends Expensive Cardboard*

You can get three structure decks - about $30 - and build a solid deck that will do well at locals. And that would qualify you for a Lost Art promotional card, a reprint of a card with the uncensored OCG Art if you’re at a store that does official tournaments (OTS). And if it’s an OTS you get OTS packs, which often contain meta-relevant cards, for participating and doing well. If you’re like 10 you can save up your birthday or Christmas money and get a great kick off with a weekend and like $50.

I do that too! You should also submit feedback straight to Wizards and let them know how you feel: support.wizards.com/hc/en-us/requests/new

Dp what makes you feel good. RL is here to stay, You either brag about it for no effect or move on and play with proxies

saaame!

@@olah420 Wizards is aware players *hate* the reserved list. They themselves *hate* the reserved list. The fuel is already there, they just need a spark to start the fire. Problem is, I'm not sure what the spark would be

Same.

Buy Chinese counterfeits, they look superb, that is what I did.