Also since there’s a few comments who maybe didn’t watch yet I’ll emphasis again: You absolutely should complain about problems with games you play. I complained about Tekken’s MTX and patch problems in the same stream right before this. That’s not the point of the video though, and I encourage you to dig a little deeper if that’s your only takeaway.

My favorite genre of sajam, the same video but 2 months later

I get chest pains just thinking about the discourse about 2XKO when it comes out. The union of fighting game discourse and Riot game discourse? A match made in hell for sure.

I started fighting games at the end of sf5. I was so excited to play fighting games that i went online to learn about them. That's when I found out that sf5 was the devil. Sf6 comes out and now sf5 was the last bastion of true footsies in fighting games, according to the public. Which surprised me. I think criticism is necessary to improve a product, but when its not constructive and devolves into hate, it becomes hard to know what's true and what isn't. It also discourages people from actually playing your game. Only now is sf5 given its flowers.

"You act like you block a move" LMAOOOOO

During the tekken slam all the streamers were like OMG TEKKEN IS SO FUN IM HAVING SO MUCH FUN LEARNING. It made me want to buy it

In his video on "the need for community" Core-A talked about people in the fgc trying to engage with 'shibboleth' (customs of the culture) to basically prove that they belong and that they're cool, I think one of the major problems with the way people talk about fighting games now is that because a lot players and creators complained a lot they see complaining as another shibboleth to repeat ad nauseam so they can prove they're 'in' when all they really need to do is show up, vibe, and play the games they like

While I would never say Strive is a game without room for critiscism (I think we've all said our part about the lobbies), I did deal with that negativity and discourse around the game for 2 years before it felt like the community calmed down and the content being posted about it was balanced on both sides. And I was someone who HAD played Xrd and +R beforehand. I didn't feel feel like I could express me liking the game so much around a group of people before arguments would arise. Around the release of Season 3, I actually find the community to be pretty fun to engage with now, and I hope that energy continues into the next year.

The shirt changing game on this video was insane, Sajam's best performance ever.

gamers seem uniquely unable to appreciate nuance and are actively incentivized to be as hyperbolic as possible as often as possible i know other communities arent immune to this and some are as bad or worse. but this is such a reliable phenomenon that we basically get the same "look calm down you idiots" video from sajam every couple of months (which then triggers its own strange and extreme backlash) without fail see you guys in like june tops for the exact thing everyone

Reminds me of how games that are declining in popularity and/or developer support end up called "dead games", even though that's very much not what it means for a game to be dead. I've seen game communities, that ostensibly play and enjoy their game, routinely describe the game as "dead", and I'm just like: keep saying that, whether or not it's a joke, and you'll get it closer, yeah. A dead game is one that, even if you've purchased it, you can't meaningfully play it-whether that means multiplayer servers are down or there are literally not enough players to get a match started. And if a game's own community is describing it as dead? I guess I'm not checking it out then. I don't think I've ever seen much of this specific behavior in the FGC though. Maybe it's because, as a community, everyone has a better grasp on what a "dead game" actually is with so many games of the genre having been lost to time. Though, maybe it's also because many games are archived in Fightcade now, and you just need to rope in one other person to be able to play an otherwise "dead game".

As someone who has been into fighting games for decades the problem with a lot of discourse is when you boil it all down the main issue is almost always that people who used to win a lot ain't winning as much and now you also have new people winning(which is bad for some reason).

You don't have to speak or understand Korean to feel the reactions in that Jeondding clip with your entire soul

“This game is so trash” Last played: today Total play time: 700 hours

I'm pretty firm on my belief that Tekken just has a pretty wack playerbase in general. Just look how many people started plugging because they saw they could.

"What chip damage, bro? You act like you blocked a move." Harsh but true.

The nuanced but relatively positive person having the onus to actually put effort and thought into what he's saying more then the mindlessly abrasive negative yapper is so... soooo painfully true it made it tear the fu*k up

12:25 Light Green Shirt! 12:26 Dark Blue Shirt! 12:52 Back to Light Green! 16:04 Back to Dark Blue! 17:40 Hat trick with Light Green!

Aris was right all along: Tekken fans are the worst part of the game.

Fighting game discourse online is one of the worst things about this amazing community. I swear to god, people complain about it on twitter for hours on end instead of actually trying to learn anything, ESPECIALLY people who have never played at a top level. Sure, some things are stronger than others, and there are definitely problems, but why are people acting like the games are ALL bad? It hurts, especially as a huge fighting game fan who just wants to share my interest, and the impression the community gives is horrible. Edit: I wanna clear something up real quick. You need to bring up problems in order for them to be fixed. Games like Tekken have a whole host of them right now, and as Sajam said, it’s important to bring these things up so the developers actually change things. I’m mainly referring to the people who literally will take every corner to complain about the games they play as a job. Oh, and for the people who want a severely less toxic FGC environment; go to your locals! They’re always hosted by awesome people, and I always enjoy my time whenever I’m at mine :)

"Why would anyone care that you're the best in the world at a shitty game?" That's the video in one quote.

Maybe this is just nostalgia speaking, but I feel like online fandoms in general are kinda suffering because of the constant negativity. It's just hard to enjoy something if everyone is constantly complaining, even if the complaining is deserved.

As someone who picked up tekken 8 as my first 3d fighter and I legitimately started playing tekken far less recently whenever it seemed like everyone decided that t8 was not "real tekken". It really took the wind out of the sails of everyone being hyped to try to get the characters to whatever rank goal they had

I thought this was a reupload bruh 💀 who knew the infinite content glitch was to be the only positive person in the FGC

It's insane. SF6 is so fun and off to a MUCH better start than 5. Idk where all this negativity is coming from but log off the Internet if the game makes you that sad. Games are supposed to be fun!

I'm nobody, but when I finish playing a long set with someone in the Granblue lobbies, I try to always bow, say GGs, and maybe compliment something they were doing really well because I love the game and want the other player to be able to end their session with good vibes.

It is truly transformative to go from one of these new games to an older game without patch support that's entirely held up by grass roots effort. No one wants to tell you about how fucking cool Xrd/+R/VSAV/etc. are more than Xrd/+R/VSAV players, and no one wants to tell you how shit their game is more than SF6/TK8/Strive players.

People also forget that this is essentially the "arcade release" of T8. We didnt get to play T7 or any other tekken at the same time as East Asia right out of the gate. There's a lot to fix but it's still so early in the game's lifecycle

The negativity surrounding the game is infinitely more frustrating to me than anything in the game itself. So tired of everyone crying all the time.

The main problem that no big tuber mentions is how they treated the mod community. The copyright strikes and loss of their channels is huge. All could have been avoided if Harada and Murray would warn them to not do it. The suits will always have their hands in things. Harada went to war with the community.

Tekken Fans never beating the allegations

Another effect of all that talk from my end is I've been kinda doubting my progress as a player. I've recently reach mighty ruler playing king, but due to the discourse related to character complaints, I no longer can 100% tell if I've simply actually improved since starting with T7 or if I've just been carried. Just to throw in my 2 cents here regarding the whole, "how it affects the wider perception" thing.

Sajam's perspective is interesting because of the very fact that he is someone whose job and livelihood is tied to the fighting game scene, which makes his point about how overt negativity and unending discourse is bad for the community in general, and how its not in the FGCs interest, to make a lot of sense. I agree with all of it. I would go a step further though, and think about how the rest of us, the non content creators, the not-pro players, and how we interpret the message of the people that have big voices in the scene (I know he did address this a lil bit). Think about it, commentators, youtubers, streamers, and obviously pro players, for them fighting games are a job... People complain a lot about their jobs, that's natural, even if you don't hate your job...This goes for people who are famous and mere mortals like us. But for us, fighting games aren't our jobs, they are something we do for, you know, FUCKING FUN. So what the fuck are you doing to your own brain when the only thing that you, as the audience for the hobby you presumably like, engage with is overt vitriolic complaining? Its like some people want to be miserable. And like Sajam said, you don't have to a be shill (in fact its better if you aren't), but just because someone who takes this shit 1000% seriously because its their whole life really cares about a flaw, YOU don't necessarily have to (though obviously you're allowed to care that's not what im saying). My point is... just take it easy.

My first week of grad school I got taken aside by one of my professors who was like: it's great that you can critique, sometimes we have to teach people how. Now you gotta learn to pick out good things as well and combine them. You can fill any discussion with all good points or bad points for most things, so I want you to think about what overall ideas you believe about what we are discussing and how you can use positive and negative notes to capture that.

The Ermac trailer is the closest I've seen the MK1 community to being Happy

For me personally I’ve come to see internet negativity as the easy path of least resistance, and thus lazy-brained

Sajam explains what “constructive criticism” is. Love to see it! I love everything about DNF Duel gameplay, except that I want it to have a burst mechanic.

This sort of topic always reminds me of what Keits said about his experience balancing KI. At first, he was happy to work with the community and listen to their complaints, but he quickly realized that when top players realized they had the ear of the devs it became an arms race to see who could whip up the most vile hate mob. The more people they could convince that a character was OP or a mechanic was scrubby or whatever, the more they thought they could pressure the devs to cave into their demands. It became a competition to see who could shit on the game more than anyone else.

It’s so hard for people to acknowledge that they can like something, while also having issues with it.

I know there's a lot of memeing about making the video every 2 years, but despite the cyclical nature of The Discourse I always find you manage to help me see a new perspective on a worn topic. So I appreciate it. Great content, man.

"If your frustration with the game is actively turning people away, it's something to think about". You have no clue how much I wish ANYONE said that during DNF Duel's lifespan. NOBODY could shut up and just leave, they had to constantly complain while doing so. I still hold onto the belief that it's the FGC that killed DNF, not the balance or lack of patches.

This video taught me something I didn't know about myself and my viewing habits. I went through my mental checklist and realized that i Exclusively only watch fgc ppl I think have positive mentalities Sajam, rooflemonger, jmcrofts, jwong, hell, as much as LK complains he does it in a way that's tactful, knowledgeable and fun. In comparison, I love rooting for hotashi and he's a very cool guy, but most of his videos are him just repeating the same 90 seconds worth of complaints over and over for 15 to 20 minutes to the point where it's kind of unwatchable

the discourse around games, but especially competitive games, is so nasty that it's probably the main reason i bounced as hard as i did. i'm not really that interested in a game i feel like nobody even enjoys because there's no joy to be shared with anyone which is kind of the point for me.

I think with Tekken it was a perfect storm of them introducing the monetization and then having broken patches/online mode (how are you going to still have people plugging years after T7). It just creates horrible optics that they care more about nickel and diming their playerbase rather than fixing legitimate issues with the game

As someone who has been getting into commentary in my community, and having played NRS games since MK9, this is so true. MK1 has TONS of videos on how the game is dead, yet people still play it, still upload it, Sonic still talks well about it and everybody got hyped for Ermac’s trailer. There are a couple of groups in social medias that I am that is a non stop berating of players or the game in which I just tell myself “someone is deleting this game just by reading the group”. At the end of the day you either create a community no one wants to associate with, or a community that gives up on its whole point, the game. When I commentate I know some things are whack, or are broken out of proportion. But to my viewer who a) Doesn’t know or B) Doesn’t care it is way more healthy to talk about how crazy controlling Sento and how cool the combos are, hyping up Baraka’s pressure, or hey, that grab combo was ridiculous. At some point of course I am going to mention something is overpowered, poorly balanced or issues I personally have, to add proper context to the fight. But I am there commentating to create fun, have a good time with current and new members with the game I love, and watching it in the highest level is exciting. Please remember that your views, perception and acceptance of something is also dependant on how you speak about it. If you get asked about your hobbies and respond with your Twitter energy trust me, you will have no friends nor people who want to engage with you on said hobbies. If you receive them with excitement and hope, you might get a new player who then will have its own frustrations that they get excited to overcome. Sajam successfully talking about the same thing again making a great video again

Just about every MK1 player I follow on twitter seems to think the game sucks. It makes me think I'm crazy for liking it, and saps my enthusiasm. Sure the game could use some tweaking here and there, like every fighting game, but every influencer/pro online seems to only complain about the game despite playing it constantly.

Tekken 8 was my entrance to the series. Had fun but there is just so many issues that I feel I should just play in a couple months when it's all sorted. Then again if it's going to be microtransations, battle passes and paying to even lab against characters I think I should just leave the genre. Strive was my entry to the fgc but the community and games have problems that make it completely unappealing. Problems that others games I play just don't have.

I agree with you 100%. PhiDX is a great example of finding balance, while MainManSWE has been unhinged. There are a lot of factors at play. T8 nerfed the play style of top T7 players. The entire KBD/Block/Parry/Whiff Punish meta went out the window and suddenly people are talking about the game "not being Tekken" when they mean, the game "isn't Tekken 7". There are obviously some offensive overtuning, but if you look at Arslan losing to Yaz, it was defense and counterplay that caused the upset. I also think the abject failure of MK1's first year has spooked a lot of gamers, and SF6's affect on fighting games in general (the universal rushdown mechanic in T8, added to Strive and Fatal Fury, and likely to appear in Virtua Fighter according to its devs) have multiple fanbases experiencing the same aggravation at the same time. But Tekken 8 is 2 months old with no arcade development time. Practicing the tiniest bit of patience would do wonders for the community. As a 150k player, I have had a ton of fun and so have my friends and the same goes for SF6. And as far as all the "old games" are classic songs, the act is every generation will have new classic songs. Maybe for this current gen DBFZ will be its MvC2, Tekken 7 will be its VF5, or GGStrive will be its BBCPhan. But the idea that there is universally appreciated music or video games is belied by cycles of history. *They just bugfixed much of this, but not the hazard interactions. They also buffed the nerf on Azu.

Not being on social media has allowed me to just play Azu in ranked and smile : )

Negativity bias is truly one of our worst traits. You can play a game for 1k hours, love 990 of them but all you'll talk about is how shit those 10 hours were.

I finally got around to buying Tekken 8 this last week because the groups i hang around are more casual and positive about it. But i absolutely almost passed on it completely because 95% of what i hear about it online makes it sound like the worst game in years. Honestly a huge bummer.

I've experienced this across multiple games (both FGs and non-FGs). I also dropped the first competitive game I took seriously partly bc a lot of the top-end players in ranked seemed genuinely unhappy with the game, the direction it was heading, and would constantly talk about it. And it really did seem like "me getting better at the game = me being unhappy with the game," and that maybe the "smart" thing to do would be to play casually, or drop it altogether. But I've also experienced constant negativity with communities I would discover *after* I've already committed to a game and sunk crazy hours into it. In these cases, at first I would just shrug the negativity off as people simply expressing their feelings or venting. And in some ways I did relate to where they were coming from. But eventually, being exposed to that constant negativity for months became *incredibly* exhausting. I'm not trying to flame those people, but eventually there's a tipping point where it's an insane drag being around that stuff all the time, and I have left communities bc of this. I'm not necessarily talking about bad patch criticism either, but being in a community where people find something new to get heated about every other day for months or even years. But like the video was saying, I'm not saying there's zero room for good criticism (I'm extremely thankful for the rollback discourse) or that you have to be only positive. I'm not advocating for either extreme. I've been in hyper positive communities too, and I found them uncomfortable for different reasons, and left them too. I think either extreme is bad.

"They boo because you give them nothing to cheer for."

"toxic positivity" is a useful concept which was almost immediately co-opted by people who need everyone to be as miserable as they are

Sajam doing enlightening and honest take videos is a vibe. Its like walking into that one friend's house that's cozier than yours.

Thank you! I have such a hard time finding spaces to realistically talk abou any show/movie/song/game I consume. You get enough people who are interested together it ALWAYS devolves into either a negative echo chamber or some toxic fandom warzone. At this point any interests I have I tend to just keep it to myself.

Yeah I remember DOA6 kind of going like this. Everyone went on and on about how they were somehow going to cause the game to be fixed by complaining all the time and instead it's just dead and probably never coming back. Which is unfortunate for those of us who were really into the game. It's just my luck that the next game I enjoy as much has the same kind of blight on the community killing it off.

Another episode of “mankind knew they could not be scrubs. So instead of reflecting on themselves, they blamed the game”

It was genuinely so refreshing to watch the Sajam Slam and see you and Steve be so positive about the game. Thanks for that, it reminded me that I actually enjoy playing this game!

Watching the sajam slam and all my favorite people enjoying tekken game made me so excited to play and I did. then I started to watch some tekken streamers and hearing them get frustrated and angry and complain about how terrible it was really killed my enthusiasm.

I hadn't played Tekken 8 since the Eddy patch dropped and all the discourse I saw around the game was making me not interested in playing it at all. It only took me a friend asking to play some games to boot it up and realise oh yeah, this game is still really fun.

I'm not normally a Tekken player but Tekken 8 looked good enough for me to want to commit to truly learning the game but the outlook from the community has me reconsidering. It's especially bad for me as a Nina player since I can't even seek advice without getting negative comments. I know it won't get any better so I think moving on to another game will lead to a more positive experience.

The transition made me laugh. One second you were brushing your hair out of your face to suddenly a fresh hairstyle and T-shirt ❤

I mean, considering how quickly the FGC adopted terms like kusoge...is it any surprise? Heck, i don't talk about any of the fighters i like anymore simply cause there is so much dismissive negativity seemingly at all times. I mean, look at what happened to "Melty Blood". The whole bathroom joke was just a part of a greater sentiment to convey how easy it was to set up and how dedicated the playerbase was to play. But now, it's been twisted to say that "Melty Blood" is beneath regular fighters and deserves to only be played in the bathroom. It went from endearment to spiteful dismissal, a fighter you only play as a joke.

I only get to play an hr or so a night..i was playing my lee and i was wondering wtf why nothing was working i couldn't get the wall to break ir any of the wall hazards..thought i just lost my skill..

Anyone familiar with Tekken's history unfortunately called this. The moment it became clear that Tekken 8 wasn't going to have an arcade version that preceded the console version by like 2 or 3 years, it was obvious to a lot of people that it was going to be a buggy shit show, no matter how cool the new gameplay features were. Tekken really needs that 2 year+ period on arcades to iron out bugs, especially when moving to a new engine, like with Tekken 8.

I have problems with monetization and Namco priorities with mods and the like, however, I still think the game is sick. We have the best Tekken newcomers since basically 5. Learning the new systems and matchups is still super fun and I'm still confident balance/bugs will be fixed over time.

When I refer to "positivity," I dont mean that your opinions on the game should be good even if things are obviously bad. What I mean is that your outlook should be positive, your attitude should be positive, and the way you interact with others should be positive. If you come at something with a negative perspective, you shouldn't be surprised when everything falls apart around you. Because if you claim that the world is ending, you're ultimately the one that will make that prophecy a reality.

Thank you for making this video. It’s something people need to hear.

Look I love Tekken as Franchise. And I was extremely sceptical ever since we saw the heat mechanic. But because of the cool new graphics and personal bias towards design choices for Devil Jin at first glance...I gave it a try despite my rational reservations. I even helped another friend to teach new Tekken players fundamentals and train with them dozens if not hundreds of hours. Despite seeing more and more flaws ( and getting plugged on dozens and dozens of times) I still kept focusing on the parts that were fun, especially seeing new players getting better every week. Then they started with adding the MTX shop despite mentioning nothing about it to reviewers. That was the part were I was one step from jumping ship because I felt deceived and betrayed. This f2p shit was not what I signed up for at launch a couple of weeks ago. And normally for every other game this would have been it for me. But because it was Tekken I swallowed that shit too. But then they added another layer of f2p monetization and still didnt give us wins when we get plugged on. I just was disgusted by Bamcos Corporate greed and deception. Also Harada's idiotic tries to create a false narrative in response to criticism made it worse. What an honorless scumbag he is. At this point Tekken 8 and bamco and Harada deserve all the shit they get. The review bombing, the negativity on socials. TEKKEN proved before it can come back from the brink. Amd this time it is not anywhere near the brink. But they are getting a good trashing in retaliation from the consumers and longtime fans they betrayed. Bamco messed this up. But they can also fix this. Tekken 7 had an amazing time during the twt. It kept constantly growing and only suffered a few setbacks ( paid frame data , at least a one time thing - no ingame shop or battlepass. And the Leroy Smith debacle). But overall the community was positive and enjoyed ranked with deathmatches and cool fundamental Tekken gameplay. This in Tekken 8 is a historic low for bandai namco and Harada.

I think this is one of the biggest factors to Melee’s longevity, when melee personalities talk about the game it’s always gushing with passion, they make it sound like if you aren’t playing or watching then you’re missing out on this beautifully complex game. Also the lack of patches/dev support makes the players a lot more accepting of flaws and focus on developing counterplay, and even 20 years later there has been a different consensus on the top 3 characters maybe every 2 years since 2017

You'd think it wouldn't be very difficult to just not hate your game but it's honestly surprising how common it is. I literally had to block a guy on Steam because every time I'd check the forums for one of the games I play he'd just be bitching about the update cycle being slow or giving unprompted speculation about future updates. Like I get people shouldn't be forced to be positive about the game but just constantly dumping on it is how you get a monthly average player count below 100 every month for the past year with the past 4 months averaging around 60 players. Meanwhile I'm in the corner with close to 800 hours in the game still having a pretty enjoyable time despite playing it on and off for over a year now

Becoming a tekken player so i can insist this single patch is the only time tekken has ever been 'real tekken' Edit - I'm so happy for how well sf6 is doing in Japan. I love the game and if I only looked at Twitter I'd think I was alone in that. Edit edit - I like a lot about pat but on this old vs new thing they simply cannot tell where their preference ends and where actual competitive integrity and requirements start. The idea that these modern games aren't deep, I mean hey maybe you just haven't explored it? Tell me how momochi can do what he did this week if the game is basically just random, anyone can just grab games off anyone. It's baseless and weird. Imagine if instead of all these tweets knocking sf6 compared to sf3, Ryan hart was like raising interest or running tourneys fronair fair to Evo for sf3. If he was building sf3 up even more than its history does due to this big tourney coming up. If people showed love that way instead of using love to compare against games they don't like... It'd be better.

Not a fighting game, but I've been saying this about FF14 for awhile. People got into trend of acting like the game was dead because the latest series of patches didn't have content they liked. It's fine to not like it, but I don't even want to know how many people ended up being turned away or had their experience with the game soured solely because Popular Streamer #56 couldn't stop complaining about everything.

shirt change at 5:58 changed my life

Funny how this reminds me so much of Black Ops Cold War; Gets a battle pass and ends up being broken.

Every single heat engager that also has power crush properties is high. You must include this in any discussion about those moves.

theres so much overlap between FGC woes and MOBA woes it surprises me. the amount of people that constantly nag the game they spend 8+ hours on per day is wild. i get that there can be legitimate issues worth complaint but man, lots of these dudes wanna complain because of.... idk, i cant attribute motivations. but i can definitely say that theyre not in developer meetings pitching solutions hahaha

When I worked in the game industry, we almost shipped a patch that partially undid the day 1 patch. We would've had a hell of a time figuring out exactly what got rolled back, too. Luckily it was caught before we submitted the patch. And we fixed our process after. But that is what this patch sounds like to me.

I think the PR attitude from a lot of companies that _everything_ has to be *_positive to the MAX!!11!_* makes any mild criticism seem like the end of the world. It's very similar to the omnipresent 5 star rating systems or grade inflation in school. If you think something is decent to good and give it 4 stars _you're ruining the average._ 5 stars is the default. If a student does okay in a class the default grade is A. When the default is a perfect score the only way to say something nice is to be SUPER POSITIVE and that just sounds like PR, and any criticism sounds like toxic hate. The average should be 3 stars and C's so both 1 star and 5 stars have meaning.

So the reason the Azucena thing happens is that they made the second hit of her WR 3,2 not come out on whiff, but that causes her momentum to not stop so she goes to another continent and even then she can parry in back-turn making characters like Kazuya have to do frame perfect or near frame perfect punishes

The fastest way to stop enjoying a game is to go spend time on its subreddit. You will walk in enjoying the game and leave convinced it is the worst balanced thing with shitty devs and absolutely busted mechanics that no sane human could ever enjoy. Like obviously people should be able to complain. Games have problems and they should be voiced. The problem is that when the only thing you ever hear is how much a game sucks it can be hard to maintain enthusiasm because, well, apparently the game sucks.

As someone who literally doesn't have twitter anymore, and tends to only interact with people if they're gonna be mature about their criticism; seeing what kinda new stuff is popping up as drama within the FGC is like watching a nature documentary for me.

Sajam channeled his inner superman with how many times he changed his shirt in this one.

games are just like programming languages, if no people are complaining about it, then no one is playing it

Toxic complaining in public isn't just being done for its own sake, it's a way of holding the developers hostage. Either change the game to suit their preferences better, or they'll create a toxic atmosphere around the game in order to chase people away. Alienating new players isn't some unforseen consequence, it's the entire point. It's an entitled...and frankly sick...mindset, but it's not irrational.

It's funny that as soon as I finished this video and looked at my recommended and the first thing I see is a video by MainManSWE titled "The current state of Tekken 8 is bad..."

This is such a good topic because MK1, T8, and SF6 are all doing this! Stop looking for only negative and all this dam crying over a patch... it will get fixed! These young folks only want instant gratification 😂 Thanks for being 1 of the good ones Sajam!

This is an interesting video that I am not totally sure how to engage with, because it doesn't seem really aimed at the general audience and more at your peers? The obvious stuff is there "have some nuance, form your own opinions etc etc" but for me I think if the game sucks I'll say it sucks, and I don't care that it turns people away, cause why would I want people to play a game I think is bad? Not gonna shout about it for every passerby, but I think as long as the topic keeps circling I'll say my piece if I'm in the mood lol

It's not even Tekken, it's a modern gamer thing. First couple of months: Game is good, how dare you say anything bad about it? 3-5 months+: Game is shit, you're on copium, X company killing their game. Meanwhile they continue to put 100+ hours into it. No game stays fun forever, there comes a point where you have to accept the honey moon period is over and if you continue playing it after that then it's clearly not bad. Just your mentality.

"Throw the phone under the bed and disappear" A great example why people love tastysteve so much

Honzo pointed out Sajam changes shirts like a dozen times and now I'm re-living the ending to The Usual Suspects

I appreciate trying to address all the negativity. However, the predatory microtransactions is a huge part of the complaints from many people, including the steam review bombs and the mainstream media coverage of T8. This is reasonable to be pissed about since it is a problem not just with T8 but with the video game industry as a whole. In my opinion, pushing back against that for the industry's sake is healthy. (I am not playing T8 anymore and it is unistalled. I really hope they remove the Tekken shop...)

i enjoyed watching the video flip back & forth between P1 and P2 Sajam but it really is a bummer, it feels so much rarer for streamers to be hype about a game they play a lot, negativity seems like the norm

Tekken 8's announcement made me immediately hyped... for Tekken 9

It's so funny yet disappointing that a thought I had about less than halfway through the video was "Man even for KZfaq I'm starting to get the feeling that Sajam is doing the preface thing over and over again" to the point that he acknowledged it himself and even pinned a comment about it. And yet some people just refuse to earnestly engage with the thoughts that have been presented to them, and persist in twisting and reforming any idea as much as is needed to persist in annoying, unconstructive yapping. Somewhat recently while playing UNI2 Romolla had similar comments about how frustratingly suffocating a lot of the social environment around Strive that it all but snuffed out any meaningful way to be positive, and even if it's a moot point I can't help but wonder to what extent this is a new development. Some of the feedback is so disheartening, but it's also motivating to hear you fight the good fight. Sometimes it can feel like people are part of the FGC in spite of the community part of it. Thankfully there are brighter stars that make it worthwhile. My computer can't run Tekken, but I desperately wished it could because it was so joyful to watch the Tekken Slam. Hearing the lightbulbs go off in people's heads and seeing a microcosm of the comradery that makes it all worth staying for was such a satisfying 2nd hand experience.

I was positive about Tekken 8 until micro transactions, I personally hate any shop but its hard to "yeah okay" when its done as lazy as Tekkens. That is the only problem I have right now though.

Criticism and complaining are different things. One is out of love for the game and the other is usually out of hatred (even if it’s only momentary). When you’re outputting your opinions on a game, think about which source your qualm is coming from.

I like the 3 different shirt tech Sajam got going on

I've said this multiple times under comments and replies to people. But they dont care, they strawman what you're saying and try to justify their toxicity. It's ok to criticize but there's a way to do it. Too many are so disrespectful over the weirdest things, while lacking any proper solutions. They see content creators say something and they run with it. If I'm not going to buy a battle pass, I'm not gonna tell everyone I'm gonna not buy it. I'm just not going to.