The Rise and Fall Of Ancient Israel - Prof. Israel Finkelstein. Ep4: Rise in the Highlands

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The Rise and Fall of Ancient Israel is a series of in-depth conversations about the archaeology and history of Ancient Israel with Prof. Israel Finkelstein and Dr. Matthew J. Adams.
Episode 4: The Rise of Ancient Israel in the Highlands
The Rise and Fall Of Ancient Israel - All Episodes
• The Rise of Ancient Is...
Prof. Israel Finkelstein is a leading figure in the archaeological and historical research of Ancient Israel. Throughout forty years of field work and study Prof. Finkelstein has managed to change the way archaeology is conducted, and to greatly influence the way the bible is interpreted, and the history of Israel is reconstructed.
Prof. Finkelstein is a professor emeritus at Tel Aviv University and the head of the School of Archaeology and Maritime Cultures at the University of Haifa. Prof. Finkelstein is active in the archaeology of the Levant and is an applicant of archaeological data in reconstructing biblical history. He is also known for applying the exact and life sciences in archaeological and historical reconstruction. Prof. Finkelstein is the current excavator of Megiddo, a key site for the study of the Bronze and Iron Ages in the Levant. Prof. Finkelstein is a member of the Israel Academy of Sciences and Humanities and an associé étranger of the French Académie des Inscriptions et Belles-Lettres.
Dr. Matthew J. Adams is an archaeologist who specializes in the Near East. He is currently director of the Jezreel Valley Regional Project and a Co-Director of the Megiddo Expedition along with Prof. Finkelstein.
Dr. Adams sat down with Prof. Finkelstein over several sessions to talk about how a lifetime of work has informed the story of Ancient Israel. These conversations became the series The Rise of Ancient Israel with Israel Finkelstein.
Books by Professor Israel Finkelstein (affiliated links)
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The Quest for the Historical Israel: Archaeology and the History of Early Israel
Paperback
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The Bible Unearthed: Archaeology's New Vision of Ancient Israel and the Origin of Its Sacred Texts
Paperback
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The Forgotten Kingdom: The Archaeology and History of Northern Israel
Paperback
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Written and Produced by Israel Finkelstein and Matthew J. Adams.
Cinematography and Editing by Yuval Pan.
Infographics & Publishing: KEDEM Channel.
Special thanks to The W.F. Albright Institute of Archaeological Research
This series is made possible with a grant from the Shmunis Family Foundation.
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#judaism
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@Lucas.rainha 21 күн бұрын

As a brazilian history student, i can only manifest my deepest gratefulllness for this series of videos of professor Finkelstein 👏

@KEDEMChannel 16 күн бұрын

Thank you amigo!

@martinportelance138 11 ай бұрын

This is my favorite episode in the serie. It really gets into the heart of the BAC's post-darkness era, in which literacy all but disappear. Thanks for the upload!

@blu-young-enterprise 3 ай бұрын

Brilliant series. Well done Mathew and Israel ❤

@emanovska Жыл бұрын

Finkelstein is always so interesting.

@markjohnson543 Жыл бұрын

Fantastic. I am learning so much. Dr. Adams asks great questions and Dr. Finkelstein has a wealth of information, very clearly expressed.

@KEDEMChannel Жыл бұрын

Our pleasure!

@peterkapinos277 Жыл бұрын

These videos are absolutely awesome. I have gained so much. Thanks for making them. Excellent production too.

@KEDEMChannel Жыл бұрын

Wow, thank you!

@piotrdziadczyk8598 Жыл бұрын

Excellent interview. Great insight into history of the People.

@KEDEMChannel Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@bmr4566 Жыл бұрын

you mean apes.

@stevenv6463 Жыл бұрын

The idea that people could switch quickly between sedentary and pastoral life is maybe why Mark Twain seemed to see such a sparsely inhabited place.

@martinportelance138 11 ай бұрын

Very interesting observation.

@jackperel1198 Жыл бұрын

Incredible source of reasoned knowledge

@martinportelance138 11 ай бұрын

I pretty much espoused Finkelstein's evolving conclusions as my own on Levitic history. As far as I am concerned he is the leading authority.

@halporter9 Жыл бұрын

Great stuff. Finkelstein is excellent. (Love”modes of production” I’m 75 but he sounds like we me out of same historical/anthropological environment.

@halporter9 Жыл бұрын

Darn spell correct. “We came out of….” More to the point he briefly alludes to dating problems. He knows that and has contributed hard evidence that the early sites were too early. Implication would be that Bronze Age transition was 100 to, some would argue, 200 years later. This is a vehement, incredibly complex, debate, part of which hinges on which are the appropriate parallels between Canaanite king lists, including Solomon down to Babylonian captivity anchors, and received Egyptian chronology. Carbon 14 dating is not much help for this period because declines in solar activity during first millennia BCE produce huge error bars (sometimes well over a century) in even recent, carefully conducted, C14 dates. The recent corrections based on tree ring dating of the Levantine and supposed dating of the Thera eruption (1650 BCE?) I feel are very questionable. Maybe they are right, but the arguments establishing the dating seems circular at best. So if the corrections are correct, the correct result is an accident. This throws dating processes right back on dirt archaeology, changes in pottery styles etc, in some cases informed by historical sequences of the dual monarchy, King lists of neighboring kingdoms, etc. Review articles quote Finkelstein’s work and conclusions very respectfully, even when authors have disagreements. As a final note, descriptions of temple furnishings, building decor, throne regalia etc. of first Temple sound late Bronze Age to my layman’s ear. But styles may persist, especially in formal, ceremonial settings. US capitol may invoke superficial architecture of Second Century Rome, for example, as a symbolic statement of authority and association with tattered remains of Senatorial (legislative) power during that period. Confusing to archaeologist of 5,000 CE?

@KEDEMChannel Жыл бұрын

Thank you 😊

@peterellinger5532 8 ай бұрын

Most enjoyable

@KEDEMChannel 8 ай бұрын

Thank you!

@lazarstrulo3364 Жыл бұрын

This climate change event is passably referenced in the Bible as the great famine of the time of Joseph

@abdulazizbalti6161 9 ай бұрын

Time of Joseph is quite earlier. It may be the time of 18th century BC. According to Bible, Book of Exodus 12:40, states that Israelites stay in Egypt for 430 years. But professor talking about this famine of 11th century BC

@PKowalski2009 Күн бұрын

I am not a historian, just an amateur who listens with curiosity to Prof. Finkelstein's lectures. PS. Thanks to Coursera I listened to Oded Lipschits course, do the gentlemen cooperate with each other?

@KEDEMChannel Күн бұрын

Yes, sure. They are both Emeritus at TLV University, worked and published together.

@addiabuelshar Жыл бұрын

the Marniptah stella mentioned ISRAEL, written as ISRYER , are they the same, or just sound alike? was there only one ISRAEL? or how common was the name?

@KEDEMChannel Жыл бұрын

According to most scholars they are the same. I assume that no one can really answer your last two questions with a high degree of certainty

@peterk.6930 Жыл бұрын

great interview, thank you so much .... there is the Mernephta Stele, awesome I missed the Berlin pedestal (Israel ?) is the description to Salmaneser in 5.00 a reference to the contested Mesha Stele?

@alexandergrinya5725 Жыл бұрын

No, to description of an earlier event-namely the battle of Qarqar when Assyrians were confronted by the coalition of Israel, Aram-Damascus and minor Aramean and Anatolian states.

@peterk.6930 Жыл бұрын

@@alexandergrinya5725 thx!

@KEDEMChannel Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Alexander's answer below is correct

@KonjanCham Жыл бұрын

On a topic, close to the area but regarding a different timeline, I wonder what you guys think of population after Roman conquest of Jerusalem? From what I understand, and according to scholars like Prof Francesca Stavrakopoulou, most of Israeli/Hebrew folks remain in the area, except for Jerusalem. Those remaining went thru some changes, e.g. mostly became Christians of Galileo, Gaza etc and later became Muslims, with a minority remaining loyal to Judaism culture, of course. I also know that Alexandria and some Roman cities had significant populations of Jewish folks (hence Septuagint writings) at the same time even before fall of Jerusalem. So if people who are identified as Hebrews today, maybe they are descendants of Jerusalem elite and Jewish folks from Alexandria etc.

@KonjanCham Жыл бұрын

A curios question on this is why those major Jewish population in Persia, Alexandria (some 30% or so of population in around 70 AD, if I am not mistaken) and folks like Paul of Taurus, did not yearn to go back to Jerusalem, even if they should have had the idea of the Promised Land in their Septuagint texts?

@hschick2037 Жыл бұрын

When will episode 5 be available?

@KEDEMChannel Жыл бұрын

In a few days, sorry for the delay

@dorasmith7875 3 ай бұрын

How about the idea that people were shifting back and forth between the Canaanite low country and the highlands? And how about war and domination? A lot more happened in Jordan and Syria in the last 200 years than changes in climate, as Finkelstein himself points out, but it would affect where people lived more than how they lived. Seriously, the Shasu's existence didn't have much to do with reliance on grain. Let alone changes in the supply of grain.

@eriktangerstad1260 Жыл бұрын

I thought it was i-sará-El, that is ”wresteling with God”, the namn God gave patriarc Jacob (James) after that he had wresteled with the angle.

@KEDEMChannel Жыл бұрын

This is the OT narrative, yes. Prof. Finkelstein is speaking about the first external evidence of the name "Israel"

@ThomasCranmer1959 Ай бұрын

21:32 How do you know?

@oker59 Жыл бұрын

Well, looks like Kedem and Israel Finkelstein is going to go through the whole thing. I've already posted that Israel Finkelstein and Neil Silberman's "The Bible Unearthed" was what got me into Biblical Archaeology(i've since read Homer's, Greek mythology in Robert Grave's "The Greek Myths' and Sir James Frazer's "The Golden Bough" and dived into Robert Eisenman's "James brother of Jesus" and the whole idea of Jesus Christ as a sungod) and I remember, even when reading "The Bible Unearthed" for the first time, that of how there were people who would transition from Nomad to Agricultural lifestyles, and the Bronze Age Collapse. Watching this, Israel Finkelstein was already convinced that the Bronze Age Collapse was due to Climate change. But, as I posted in episode three here, there's recent work on tree rings in the latest National Geographic(not exactly an official science news mag; but, I'm sure it references the actual scientific articles). For me, that seals the deal. The Bronze Age Collapse has officially been solved; it's Climate change. I'm just struck that at the same time I see this tree ring news, that Israel Finkelstein is doing this video series!

@daniell.staetsky3110 Жыл бұрын

Has anyone specified what exactly stood behind the climate change of that time? Not human activity- for sure....

@peterk.6930 Жыл бұрын

@@daniell.staetsky3110 great question, nobody knows, I suppose

@oker59 Жыл бұрын

@@daniell.staetsky3110 It's a good question. There's some suggestion that mankind turns land into deserts by over farming and burning down the trees and such. It's possible that the Hittites might have over farmed the land; but, it doesn't change conclusions that climate change caused the Bronze Age Collapse.

@TheLincolnrailsplitt Жыл бұрын

Jesus as a sungod. What a joke.

@oker59 Жыл бұрын

@@TheLincolnrailsplitt I have it all proved - primary source confirmed facts in my Gospel of Truth - Mathematics as the Holistic Viewpoint.

@larsbitsch-larsen6988 7 ай бұрын

Thank you for at very good presentation. I do though, think that the bible does have an archetypical memory of the Bronze age collapse.. The wondering of Moses in the desert seems to me, to be such a memory.. Nor fact just a myth in the larger context.

@KEDEMChannel 7 ай бұрын

Interesting, thank you!

@KonjanCham Жыл бұрын

Is it possible that the mention of Israel in Merneptah Stele was just a coincidence and not exactly really related to the later Kingdom of Israel? After all, El was a god of the region and the name Israel was a possibility!

@KEDEMChannel Жыл бұрын

Location and timing …

@KonjanCham Жыл бұрын

@@KEDEMChannel If I understood correctly, there is a 3 century gap between Merneptah and appearance of the first kingdom of Israel. Especially that Merneptah seemed to had crushed them. So the link is a bit far fetched, isn't it? It is like finding the name "Italy" among some French villages 300 hundred years ago. Wouldn't that be not really connected to Italy of today? Mind you we are talking about 3000 years ago when communication, continuity etc was so rare even among continues civilisations.

@KonjanCham Жыл бұрын

In fact, like Seldon plan in Asimov's Foundation series, the coincidence of the name 300 years prior is too good! Not insinuating a conspiracy but just bring to light the unlikelihood of a name surviving 300 years after being crushed by a big empire!

@KEDEMChannel Жыл бұрын

@@KonjanCham he says that it is not a state but a group of people . We have archeological evidence in line as well . So it is a strong case for it

@yodheyvavhey9525 Жыл бұрын

As your series progresses your viewership is obviously swindling dramatically as the 'parochial listener's' attention-span is drying-up! Yet, for myself I find Mr. Finkelstein a great Presenter (Indeed throughout my college & Uni. career my best professors were always Jews!) RE: The two Kingdom's 'way of settlement'... I once was visiting an old Kibbutznik friend who laid out for me just How the Israeli Kibbutzim were laid out in order to Control 'their part' of Israel; and later while working on a Moshav in the Jordan valley- there The Line of Control is most obvious! Its things like this that Make any type of- Two State Solution impossible- as the Israeli's Do Know v. well! re: Lack of Biblical description in portraying of the history in Israel 13- 11th century. I do not find this unusual as disorganization, lack of literacy and the daily 'grind' in everyday struggle in disorganization must have been overwhelming! Lastly, while in Israel back in the 1990's many of the Russian immigrants were known to- eat pork & drink vodka on Shabbat! And I have heard (Bare with me here!), although there is a Law in Israel of - no one can raise pork- 'on the soil of Israel'- the some Israeli's 'raise their pigs in cages ABOVE the ground?????????

@oker59 Жыл бұрын

Is ra El. Isis, Ra(Egypitan gods), El - Canaaninte(Ugarit) god. A lot of people don't want to accept this linguistics/mythology of "Israel." But I thought I'd bring it up just for the hell of it.

@WizardOfArc Жыл бұрын

Isis is the Roman name for Aset