I miss having more than 3 Gambit maps to play on.

I love how I unload 2 galahorn shots, press the super button and the boss goes "nah, I don't fell like receiving damage right now"

The thing that frustrates me the most about gambit is how cool the aesthetic is. I love the whole snake theme but playing the game mode is insufferable, I want to get the gambit cosmetic stuff but I have to play something I hate in order to get it

They were on to something with Gambit Prime. Sure it needed tweaking, but the addition of armour sets really added depth to the gameplay. Yet, instead of expanding and refining the mode, Bungie just removed most of the meaningful changes brought in Prime. Whereas crucible has largely remained stagnant, Gambit has actually devolved throughout its lifespan.

I preferred Prime for the simple fact that I was usually solo queing. If I got stuck with some blueberries at least it wasn't going to be for long.

Three Round Gambit from Season Of The Drifter specifically was my way preferred way to play. It allowed for comebacks and a hectic as hell final boss rush.

I miss getting the Armour and stuff, wish the roles thing came back, like, you'd lock in your roll when you que in, and you'd get bonuses for role, like Sentinels getting extra damage on blockers and invaders, but less on rank and file. Just be really cool

This made me miss the collecter set, my friends and I made a meme set up and all ran it. Once one giant blocker died the next person was just sitting there ready to throw the next one in

I've had some fun with gambit over the years. My biggest complaint with it has always been this....the boss healing on invader kills was too much.

A New Player's opinion on Invader Swap: It's super nice during the mote collection stage, but once you're at the Primeval fight it just turns into a "who can Invade harder" race yet again and extends those parts of the game way farther than they need to.

The most underpaid editors in destiny history!

Since last year I've felt like it should be morphed into something more like Season of the Splicer's Override with the PVP element relegated to shorter 1v1 periods when you go to get the big chunk of motes when the portal to the Vex network appears. Minimise the invasiveness for less frustration perhaps

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I love Gambit as a mode. You got the fast-paced, hectic as hell enemy wave killing portion on the one side, the blockers, mote draining & sweaty invasions on the other and the madcap mayhem of murdering the Primeval in under 4 milliseconds straight in the middle. However, there have been different iterations/styles of Gambit since it first dropped for Forsaken and a few have been good but most have also been pretty much unplayable. Bungo needs to have a serious look at what people loved about Gambit so much, what didn't work out the best and find that sweet spot of a middle ground into making 'The Perfect Gambit.' I don't want to hate this gamemode any more than I need to cause I feel that it's the perfect gap between grinding stripes & PvP.

Personally, I find gambit really fun. I’d rather play it than the crucible any day.

I have a lot to say about gambit but one of my biggest problems is the lack of variety in the gamemode. It astounds me to this day that they decided to get rid of the tangled shore and dreaming city maps, because those are still in the game. I also think that part of the problem is that there isn't much difference between the maps or anything. For about a year now, I have been mentioning to my friends an idea that I have for a new gambit mode because I actually think it can be really fun (and was before the health-gating and exotic damage crises of 2022). In my proposed version, instead of the boring usual bank in the middle and 4 battlefronts, it would instead be one big long strip of land with opposing teams starting off on either end. In the middle of the territory, there would be a primeval as usual, but the primevals would be in the same large arena in the middle, and would be fighting each other, little to no damage to each other. In order to get to the boss, you would need to kill envoys and bank motes to open 3-4 massive gates that they have put in between your team and the boss. Once you kill the envoys and their cronies, you can bank the motes that they drop in one of the following slots: send more low level ads to the opposing team, gain ammo for your fight against the boss, set traps that the opposing team has to avoid (like a water hazard to make their combat arena smaller and have the players have to do a jumping puzzle to bank the motes), or you could add a one-time per gate level damage boost to the opposing team's primeval, meaning that yours would have less health when you got to the boss. Each of these options has a cost, and you will only gain a set number of motes from the envoys so spend them wisely (motes will not be able to be carried between gates). As each team progresses closer and closer to the boss, the enemies would become more difficult (more health, more enemies, more variety, slightly less cover, larger spaces, etc.). One thing that would not be a factor in the game would be invading. You cannot specifically go to the enemy team's side to kill them and make them drop their motes. However, you can take a portal to the enemies side and try and make their fight more difficult in a different way. Once you reach the halfway point to the main arena, and then again in the main arena, you will be presented with a single use portal (one each time). If you enter this portal, you will be sent to the enemy team's original starting point ("homebase") and have to hunt and kill a high value target in order to teleport the enemy team back one gate and have to repeat the envoy phase (at a reduced difficulty because it would be bs if they had to kill high level enemies at the same volume if they had already cleared that gate) and bank a set number of the dropped motes to open the gate. Once the invader has finished hunting, they must race back to a set portal in the enemy homebase to be returned to their team (if they die, the setback doesn't occur). If a team is set back, they can gain another one of the mote options listed above though, so it is risky to send a team backwards. When a "homebase" invader is hunting the high value target, the team that is being invaded will be presented with their own portal to put them halfway towards their own base (so they can make it back in time, but not be put right on top of the invader to give both sides a fighting chance) and can try and kill the invader and stop the setback. This is the only aspect of PVP in this mode so as to try and cut back on the amount of cross interaction between damage values etc etc. Once your team breaches the final gate, you must try and nuke the boss to the best of your ability based on the mote banking decisions you made earlier. If it is possible it would be fun to also have an option within the arena itself to let the opposing team try and continue to bank motes to add more small enemies or health boosts to the boss but at this point, it is just a race to see which boss dies first. Once that is complete, the game is over and you can rinse and repeat however much you like. I know this is just a comment section, but I have been mulling over this for years and Evan's video finally shed the light on just how far gambit has fallen, and I just wanted to spread the love I used to have for this gamemode, and try and reach others who agree/have ideas for what I have above. I am happy to have a more in depth conversation about this! Thanks Evan for the great video as always!

Still can't belive how i was patient enough to get the Dredgen tittle 😂

This video was well needed! Thank you

Thanks for adding me into this man! It was wild seeing me be a part of this.

I love gambit. But for the feeling and nostalgia. My opinion: -Bring Gambit Prime back -Bring Reckoning back -The armor sets for Prime should give only faster rep. -Give back the old guns -Add new loot tables NOT JUST 2 USELESS GUNS -Give New exotic quest Give a new Title for Gambit Prime for example: "Notorius"

I'm not sure whether to be confused or happy about these late night uploads. On one hand, I'm always awake. On the other hand, I shouldn't be and this just keeps me up later. Either way we all get a good dose of evenf1997 for our day. Can't be sad about that.

Gambit - make it like Arenas in Apex Legends. No weapon loadouts allowed just a rotating pool of weapons to choose from. You purchase weapons & blockers between rounds. The more your team banks, the more funds you'll have access to for the next round. Abilities, Armor perks & Supers work as usual but all charge at their base values making an even-ish playing field. REMOVE THE PRIMEVIL PHASE and add in Primevil Escorts in each base spawn as a mini boss instead. (ex: if hostiles are at the steppes, then after the enemies are cleared a Primevil Escort appears). Any blockers purchased between rounds also pop up with the Escorts. After 3 mini boss clears, the rounds ends. Teams can be invaded and attacked as usual (invades @40 & 80 motes) but invader can now steal motes from the bank. Which should be the new goal of invading w/o the Primevil Phase. The Gambit comes from the choices made between rounds...do you go all in on special and heavy weapons for AD clear but less motes or do you get some primary's to get more motes and buy a ton of blockers every round. Or if the "team bank" gets enough donations a 3rd invasion can be purchased. 3rd invasion is expensive and heavy/special weapon purchases increase in price but only if the same weapon is purchased more than once. Enemies have more health each round, special & heavy weapon kills drop 1 mote but primary kills have a chance to drop 2+ motes. Literally made this up right now but it's an idea I guess lol

My idea for how to fix gambit is to have it so when you invade your heavy is disabled but it also disables heavy for the team you are invading. This would allow you to invade if the other team is on boss and slow down their damage without health gates and would also make it much more focus on actual gunplay instead of who can shoot their rocket first.

Bro who in that thumbnail is giving the drifter sloppy toppy

Well said, Egg. Currently grinding infamy while watching this video.

A thought I had was if the primeval phase removed the health gates, but the envoys gave players a debuff while they're alive that reduces damage to bosses; so while it won't be necessary to keep killing the envoys, it is still heavily incentivized. Thoughts?

Two things are needed to fix gambit. 1. Daily loadout requirements to keep meta builds from cheesing teams all the time. 2. Damage to the boss being dealt through a mechanic and not your weapons and abilities. This encourages team work and stops bosses being melted immediately.

Launch build of gambit with only 1 round and some of the QOL we have now with preset loadouts that rotate weekly/seasonally is all i want to see

it fell when people realized how good sleeper was, literally week one/or two

👏Great Video Evan

I think they need to remove heavy ammo spawn until primevil spawns, healthgate would be ok, if invaders wouldn't heal primevil to its max HP, 10% heal from a kill is enough, and after 3rd wave of wizards there shouldn't be a healthgate if you didn't kill primevil in time

When i started playing destiny 2 at about this time last year, Gambit was ludicrously fun once i tried it (i was initially put off because of bad descriptions making it sound overcomplicated). Splicer era gambit was some of the most fun for me, over all.

They need gambit strikes. Linear missions with opposing guardians making their way through mirror areas at 1/3 and 2/3 of the way through theirs a joint mini arena with a mix of pve and PvP objectives (like one team is light motes and one is dark and they need to debuff a shared pool of enemies for them to drop the motes they need (something akin to prophecy dungeon). The final encounter sports a boss with two health bars. One for each team, and they need to debuff the boss to damage. If dark team debuffs and starts to damage and light team comes in with their debuff it overrides the original dark debuff which means the teams need to juggle boss dps and general area defense. Just something beyond a simple arena feel where it’s almost like we both want to complete the (strikish)mission for our own teams.

I had so much fun in gambit for like 4 hours yesterday. Got good loot too, I think some people overthink/analyze these modes. Just play it and have fun, especially with friends. Although if you play gambit and pretend the pvp elements aren't happening, ignoring invaders/not invading, you're gonna get stomped every time & you can't act surprised.

There was a Gambit preview in game a few weeks before Forsaken came out. Sleeper was the go to meta, one shotting to the body no matter what.

Wonder how many cents your editors got for this one

When they sunset all the unique gambit loot that was worth grinding what did they think would happen lol. Literally the only incentive to play gambit is cosmetic items and a couple meh legendarys

Might be the best thumbnail of all time

EVANF ADEQUATELY PAY YOUR EDITORS CHALLENGE (IMPOSSIBLE)

Tbh my favorite was the 3 round mode, I missed out on the armor set bonuses but I feel as if they should be available for each game mode

i feel like literally brining back gambit prime will solve this hellhole of a gamemode... it was way more fun and rewarding. plus its more exciting than the actual base game. bungo, please bring it back. everybody wants it back...

evanf1997: "Have you seen this thumbnail?" Me: I HAVE NOW!!!!!

Gambit wants to make me scream geometrically

i genuinely want gambit prime to return, it'd be 10 times more enjoyable than what we had now, given some rebalancing anyway, as much as i love gambit, it annoys me i missed prime, which just sounds well...and looked, in every way more fun to gambit currently. *2 playlists, 1 of every role a team, and any amount of any role*

This should have been a 15 second video. It should have started with the release of gambit and ended with the release of gambit

I think one of the top three most toxic things in destiny 2 was someone raiding with Truth and wiping your team which also healed all of the health back on your primeval.

I’ve always liked Gambit, even through all of its mishaps and reworks. I’m glad things got changed, such as the removal of the scorn and dreaming city maps (I vividly remember groaning whenever they came up in the rotation), and honestly, Gambit Prime felt like a bit much for me. However, at the same time, the original 3 round Gambit felt too long for a basic mode. It’s always been a difficult mode to like, especially now because of the serious problems with it in terms of exploits. I’ve gotten pretty sick of getting team-wiped by an eyes of tomorrow, or just being invaded in general because it can instantly throw off your game with no way to recover. Back before beyond light, my biggest problem was 4 stacks of arc slam Titan supers melting the primeval. Now it’s people one-shotting the primeval.

Good thing I didn’t have to play too much gambit this season to get the weapons I wanted or at least some decent rolls on them

I personally enjoyed having the option for normal gambit especially with some friends. Having it just be "boss damage" time instead of dealing with health gates is preferable sometimes.

Personally think Gambit's biggest problem is need trying to compensate two different gaming experiences and two varying different metas, it's like Noob Saibot's one fatality where he and his shadow grab his opponent by the legs then slowly rip them in half this is a perfect analogy for this game mode. Best way to balance the game mode is mid point in the match portal opens up sending invaders into mini map where from that moment on its Mano a mano, three PvE players dealing with the Primevil while the singles fight determines the stacking buff not the health of the Primevil. With every victory your pvp teammate obtains the higher your buff against the Primevil times five until the Primevil loses twenty percent then immunity phase invader gets called back rinse and repeat. Longer matches, invaders get to pvp and everyone else gets to PvE no toes stepped on, add champions during the immunity phases as a way to gate the invader portal, first team to kill all their champions gives their invader time to set up for the pvp round while the PvE players deal with blockers that spawn in everytime your invader loses a duel.

I’m pretty young but I remember when I first played destiny 2 back during forsaken and remembering how fun old gambit was I really miss those old maps

bungie sitting on the perfect gambit game mode with gambit prime: "hmmm what if we added more glimmer after matches?"

One of my favorite weapons came from Gambit--Nightwatch. It rolled with rapid hits and explosive payload.

Give us less symmetrical maps and more maps and mixed enemy days and add incentives like strange coins but as a unique thing for drifter only that like allows you to shop at drifters black market allowing us to have a version of spider but with it's own unique currency from a gamemode make it balanced

Great vid

As weird as it sounds I blame breakneck one of the original pinnacle weapons. Gambit was meant to be played in bursts but Bungie said hey play 50 matches for a non exotic exotic and by the end of the slog many people were done and tired with the mode having experienced it all, along with setting the pace and environment. Raid racers set the pace for encounters all the time and the terms we come up with day 1 sticks with the fanbase for the rest of the mode, ex dog cup sun axes were day 1 leviathan callouts and still are even in the dungeon. with the play 50 gambit matches for a nice auto rifle the trend was set for blitzing matches via wiping bosses, rocket tracking and linear fusions the enemy and getting matches done asap which has continued to this day.

I just love the intro music.

Ur content is so goid

The thumbnail is as cursed as the drifter halloween mask

I played the hell out of Gambit when Forsaken first came out and loved it, minus the minor annoyance of getting Sleepered from across the map whenever somebody invaded. But the mode was fun, the loot was amazing (only weapon that I didn't feel was best in class was the Pillager SMG, that title went to the reworked Antiope), and finally getting the Spicy Meatball to spawn was great. Then I took a break from the game until Season of Arrivals, and while I played a couple of matches of Prime, it didn't really click for me the same way. Then, I left it alone until I think it was Season of the Lost, then played enough to get a couple of Servant Leaders. I wasn't impressed with the weird mish-mash of OG Gambit and Prime, so I didn't play too much. And most recently, I played again during Witch Queen, to get the new auto rifle to try out. I really want to go back to Gambit classic...

I miss Gambit Prime. I also miss Kell's Grave, which was one of my favorite maps.

Man I miss my collector armor set. Nothing was more satisfying than dropping a megablocker on the enemy. Or better yet all four of us dropping them at the same time.

14:40 can confirm, I always used prime if a quest told me to complete gambit matches

Idk if anyone else has pitched this before, but like why not make gambit prime kind of like trials. Weekend mode where a premade team is made to compete for amazing rewards

Vault gambit add srl as a permanent playlist

As someone who hates gambit with a passion, seeing a video about how the mode is dying brings me a twisted kind of joy

Fitting the video about the degen grind is up during degen hours

I needed one pinnacle and decided to play gambit like 2 months ago…. That was the last day I played D2 other than doing some raids with friends.

I went back in this season grinding since they brought the shaders back, once I got gambit jadestone to drop I dropped gambit

I know that Gambit can be a mixed bag. With the heavy ammo distribution not only in game, but with mods that can be exploited. I still use Thunderlord. I've come back from the brink of defeat and lost when victory was in hand because of said points. It's chaotic, but that's what Gambit is. I got back into it heavily during season of the plunder. It is fun, but it isn't for everyone.

Epic video

Loadout Rotations, going back to shorter rounds and certain amount of heavy per round. Do I use my heavy or ads, boss or invader/invading

I’m new to Destiny, been playing since first of February. I’m a solo player and tried Gambit. I had a lot of fun and was playing more than is probably normal for the average Destiny player. The changes at WQ were very meh. It’s a really cool idea for a game mode and could be legit, but, as you pointed out, the balance to not screw up PvP and PvE for others that don’t play is delicate. I wonder if it would be worth have as a stand alone load out to make it fun but not screw with other modes. Gambit only weapons and armor, but I just don’t see how that would be viable. Great video as always, and really appreciate you covering it.

I got school and a state test in 4 hours 💀

i’ll forever literally going out of my way to grind the truth quest just so i could invade in gambit. it was fun but too much frustration

The only thing I can think of to save the mode is for it to be a race against the other team without invasions. If you remove the need to balance the PvP side of things, it just becomes a strategy game of how to clear adds quickly and kill a boss. Change the invasion mechanic to either a mote collection phase carried out by one person, or introduce new mechanics altogether on mote dunks (radar removal, tankier enemies, etc). The invasion aspect of the game mode will ALWAYS be the most important, and if it stays in the game we will always have these issues of balance.

id love to see an asymentical gambit with one guardian on the enemy side

I jumped into gambit as soon as i was able when it first released, played a few matches, had fun, then didn't play it for a few weeks. When i came back, it was always the same thing. Invaders oneshotting with anything that could, whether it was snipers, or heavy, or heavy snipers. Played two matches, the only fun i had in those two, was when i juked an invader trying to snipe me with Whisper. I knew he could see my nameplate, so i couldn't win a peek fight. So i peeked anyway, immediately crouched, whisper bullet went right over my head, and i hid behind the pillar again. Never went back into gambit of my own will.

I feel like one small thing you overlooked, and what really killed gambit for me, a former gambit lover, was the Truth rocket being added. It literally dominated EVERY match, invasions impossible if you didn’t have one as you’d get instakilled by one in nanoseconds.

I enjoyed gambit at first when it first came out fair it had its issues, sleeper, queenbreaker and then truth later on in opulence. I always enjoyed how it was done last time where there was no health gate it was just straight nuke the boss rewarding you for having a huge dps load out. I honestly believe there needs to be a banned load outs setting for it where we can vote to ban weapons that have tracking or ban snipers

Didn't even ask the Gambit Gamers about Gambit info bruh

Invasion swap was not good in the slightest. Everytime that invasion portal opened, you knew the other team was waiting to Nuke you with rockets from across the map.

I played Gambit and Prime so much when they came out, I can confirm it was better then than it's now.

i miss gambit prime and the unique armor it had. now its all just the same for each activity and it sucks, i hope they bring back unique armor sets again and revive the mode. its gotten so boring that id might as well just do strikes

I love the drifter too bad his game mode isn’t fun or atleast I wish it was better

Damn I miss that tangled shore map

I have a problem the only time i enjoyed gambit was gambit prime and even with this power creep it made me want to play other parts of the game

I remember scull of ahamkara was broken in gambit in the beginning and you could just throw a nova bomb and kill a whole side of enemies and get your super back right away

I liked Gambit a lot, but I had no friends playing with me and didn't have time to grind the game

How to fix Gambit? Put ADEPT weapons and armor into the game mode…like they did in Trials and GMs. Trust me people will play Gambit for end game loot. Plus give us more MAPS!!!

What is the background music played in the Outro?

I’m relatively new to destiny as a whole and I really like gambit I feel like it’s a really cool blend of pve and pvp and it’s super unique, I enjoy it but I think if it used to be in former glory that has fallen I’d like to see it get the polish it needs to go back to being glorious again

The drifter looks like his eyes are popping out

The couple hours before the video released I played 20 games of gambit not knowing this would be coming out. Your welcome Evan. :)

I loved the previous version of gambit and it was the first iteration I played with my friends. I was mostly a pvp player at the time, but i got frustrated with people just playing the meta all the time, so I gave gambit a chance. I eventually learned the game mode and really started to like the appeal of it being mostly pve with some element of pvp. To me, gambit was a speed run with some strategy involved (invading and decision to hold or bank motes) and I liked it for it. Games were quick which I liked because it meant i could grind for more gear and exp. I found the special and heavy ammo economy quite fair as well. This iteration of gambit turned me off right away. Too many invasions, long drawn out games, plentiful special + heavy ammo, etc made me stop playing it entirely.

Try making a video about Warmind cells because I feel like they were a trademark build in destiny 2 with all the things that were possible with them.

The only things I miss from Gambit are my Dreaded Venture(which I got *super* early on, I loved that sniper) and my Parcel of Stardust(which I also got super early on) Those two guns were great They felt great, they looked great, sounded great I miss them I also miss SRL, even if it came back as a weekly thing a la Iron Bananer I'd be kinda happy

Rise of Gambit? Now that's something I've never seen in Destiny. I think it takes me longer to get a gambit match, than it takes to find a crucible match in D1.

Gambit could work if it had no matchmaking and were tailored to the very endgame PvE AND PvP players, serving as the kind of Trials for the former like it was originally intended to. Back in Prime, a significant damage output was needed in order to even stand a chance due to both the boss HP and the many spawning Minibosses, raising the skill ceiling and giving a proper role to PvE build crafting and actual team strategies. This could be tuned even further with the addition of more threatening, Legend-Master tier enemies, given that it would be a pre-made activity, at which point focusing too much on invading would take away a lot from the team's ability to summon and damage the Primeval. Maybe even Champions could be used to balance teams' loadouts away from the best of the best PvP options. On the topic of invading, I believe one aspect of the approach taken with The Witch Queen could be used to great effect: the heavy crates. With less spawns per (longer) match, making them accessible only to one player and disabling other heavy ammo drops, it would again be a question of prioritizing either invading or raw damage output, if the boss had a large enough health pool for things like Anarchy or Lament to be a game changer when it comes to DPS. The act itself of invading would be somewhat more balanced with less frequent but more meaningful Invasions, that would be especially valuable and appropriately high risk high reward during the boss phase since it would risk one player's time to deny up to four's, which, again, on a higher difficulty level would be quite important with a much lesser or even non existent level of Primeval healing per kill. But that's a bunch of ideas that would probably collapse at the many seams that would be introduced by some unforeseen use of somenew ability or weapon, not to mention whatever broken glitch were around, so... I'll leave it to Bungie who actually knows how to design games. \_(ツ)_/

This is what happens when drifter lets zavala and shaxx give him ideas