Our pleasure! And many, many thanks! I really appreciate your time and support!

Pleasant and interesting videos. A tidbit; All of the architectural spaces and structures at Knossos are false, created a century ago. The fact of this is casually not mentioned. Even deceiving the nice and bright creator of this video. Also, the Phaistos Disk HAS been solved. This is detailed at my channel.

This guy is great.

@Herbal Shaman I don't think I've overlooked anything here. You have submitted part of one article demonstrating a point of view which is suggestive at best. There is clear evidence of a relationship with the Cyclades through archaeological evidence dating before the second millennium BCE, and there is archaeological evidence of a trade link with the Greek mainland and beyond as discovered by artefacts of material not native to Crete. To suggest that European mainlanders had no contact with Cretans appears to fly in the face of archaeological evidence and simple Bronze Age society logic. How influential or integrated these societies were with one another is a different subject for debate and I can quite accept that a significant wave of migration did occur in the early second millennium BCE as you have stated, however we cannot assume that this wave was based on the Greek mainland, or whether the Greek mainland was actually itself the subject of a mass migration from elsewhere in Europe. I also avoid talking about skin colour because we simply don't have much of an agreeable map and it only serves to confuse matters. As for the frescoes, I think that we can assume that Sir Arthur Evans with all his expertise may have aided a good restoration of them and I haven't discussed skin colour during the podcast in relation to the Ladies in Blue as I believe that it brings nothing of value to the argument until we can agree on the skin colours of societies of the wider world. There are many theories about the migrations into Crete and when they happened and who were the migrants. I do not know the truth and I'm not going to pretend that I do.

why support you when you are just stealing and uploading someone elses podcast and hard work?

jerbear- mane I don’t steal anything. I work with some awesome history podcasts like The History of the World above, and I provide a visual experience to go with their awesome audio recordings. It’s a win/win for everyone and I love it!

sure, but do they know you 'work' with them?@@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449

Spot on, there's much proof to what you say, there's evidence of a road that linked Malta to the mainland underwater, not deep in some places..

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Considering the way that Schliemann did archeology, Arthur Evans practiced cutting edge responsible archeology.

@@andywomack3414 Unfortunately true, if they both acted under the convention of modern archeology, we would have much more knowledge today.

Linear A . kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hs98rLFquZjXpI0.html

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Indeed, scholars seem to generally agree that many of the island's inhabitants probably fled the island prior to the major eruption. But also, and unlike Pompei, a significant part of the island literally sank into the sea from the eruption (or perhaps from successive eruptions.) Excavations over the last several decades at Akrotiri, the major archaeological site on the island, have found quite a few artifacts.

@@galanis38 Not sure that "sank into the sea" is right lol. A large part of the original island is missing, blown up in the intense eruption.

Minos was only a few (maybe 4-6) generations before the Troian war... Minos had nothing to do with pre-Mycenaean Cretian civilization, and especially not the pre-eruption Cretian civilization, and we really shouldn't be calling them that! (Another of Arthur Evans' mistakes) Minos was in the latter part of a wave of 'Norman-style' 'conquerors' washing westward from Anatolia in the 14th century, after the decline of the Cretians became more evident, and also, arguably, you can see they would view the Agean as a significant barrier to Hittite hegemony. Fairly small numbers of ambitious people were able to travel west, and maneuver their way into positions of influence, and power, resulting in changes of leadership, and culture, although, this was not the most durable change, as, it would appear, that, when things 'got tough', the general populations were what remained, sometimes a mixture of older population mixed with numbers of slaves that had been imported imported from Asia Minor, or relatively consistent populations...and, of course, some people emigrated, without the best of plans. Clearly, there were people who remained, and there were some places with new leaders, some effective, some not (as today), and other places like Crete, where highly organized society regressed back into family/clan groups living in rocky highland refuges, as they herded goats and sheep up/down every day, and worked smaller plats of land...sadly, this likely kept them much too busy and/or incapable of continuing with a nascent writing system, as we really haven't found anything, and call it the dark age...

Most, if not all, are reconstructions. They date to the period that Evans owned the site. Both Émile Gilliérons and others had hands in what were sometimes questionable work.

,more than 3000 years...

The Mediterranean actually dried up at some point too

If you can shape stone, you can shape wood and make a canoe.

lower sea levels would also explain how the mentioned hippos and elephants made it to the island.

Tremendously kind. Thank you.

The video was made by a man called Chris Hasler (historyoftheworldpodcast.com/about-me/). This KZfaq channel is operated by a man called Nick Barksdale. I think the attribution is a little too understated and it is easy for people to think Nick made the video.

Wow, that first sentence concerning 5000, 7000 years and ancestors was like way deep dude!

Lol....

Herbal Shampoo

I truly appreciate your support!

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No that would be the shores of the black sea. Check out how old the Vinca, Varna, and Cucuteni-Trypilia cultures are.

@Herbal Shaman - Overly simplistic: they were probably part of what I call the Pelasgo-Tyrsenian complex, which surely arrived to the Anatolian-Balcanic region c. 5000 BCE, conquering the previous Vasconic or main Europan Neolithic layer that preceded them. This Pelasgo-Tyrsenian group was originally represented in Syria by Halafian culture, in Anatolia by Can Hassan and in the Balcans by Dimini-Vinca, as best known cultures, later, in the late Bronze Age crisis, some of them migrated to Italy, where they formed the Etruscan nation (and to Palestine where they formed the Philistean nation as well). The pertaining of Minoans, or Trojans or other obscure ancient populations to this macro-ethnicity is of course not absolutely certain, some obscure complexity we cannot hope to understand may be involved, but it's the most plausible or simplest scenario. I don't think Afroasiatics expanded across the sea ever before the Phoenicians. The Semites in particular were at first almost certainly just one among many Neolithic West Asian nations and only seem to have expanded from the Circum-Arabian Pastoralist Complex since around 4000 BCE but only in the Fertile Crescent and Peninsular Arabian region (and from there into Eritrea-Ethiopia later on). Talking about "pale" or "dark" skinned people is making assumptions we don't know enough about. As my grandpa said: "there are no races but ethnicities", i.e. people relate to each other by shared language and culture not by skin color.

@@LuisAldamiz Absolutly not, this Minoans were North Afrikan or East Afrikan people who colonized the greek lslands. Their cuIture, tradition and arcitecture is exaclty similar to those Afrikan people, it is literaIly the same even to this day. It's also not surprising since most modern day greek carry the highest concentration of E haplogroup among europeans.

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@Herbal Shaman I love how there is always one "black, afro-centrist!" Get over that crap. Stop trying to be a modern WEBD.

@Herbal Shaman Sure buddy. Keep pushing your agenda.

@Herbal Shaman I don't care what race these people were. I see this crap from black, white, Asian, Indian centric people on youtube all the time. This is the same stuff that has been pushed forever. Who cares. WEBD has tons of material on this.

@Herbal Shaman If you were being euro or asiacentric I would say it's nonsense too. Who cares what race they were. It is an immutable characteristic. I have never once asked myself what skin pigment an homo erectus had while reading about them. It doesn't matter.

Cuba of course. Crete is probably smaller than Puerto Rico. Let me check... Yeah, slightly smaller by area than Puerto Rico.

I asked Professor Internet, and the answer is that it's subduction not a hotspot.

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It was an Afro-Asiatic language.

The only issue is that the actual dwarf hippos are nowhere near as small or adorable as the house hippo. Also, Zefrank should totally do his magic on the house hippo :P

"Put it in the car"

atheism is a religion so youre no exception

@@milossimic5946, I've watched videos by that world-famous atheist guy, but I can agree to none of his rantings. Live and let other people have their religious ideas is my idea. God(s) is(are) something that may exist or may not, I just don't know. Peace to you all.

so you dont believe in the big bang theory, yet you have a literal alien on your avatar ..

@@milossimic5946, of course I don't *believe* in a scientific theory. As it is a theory, it will be proven correct or wrong. As of now, it's a theory. It's not anything to believe in, beliefs are religious stuff. And the "alien" face is cute.

Someone Else How are you about climate change? If you believe the hoax, you are a religionist. You have a mythology, a priesthood, an apocalypse, a heaven and hell (on earth), a sin and guilt theology, and an inert god that demands sacrifice (CO2).

They are uncultured swine, we all know it. Haha! JK. Thanks for the compliment!

Lets not sound too uppity over There. Besides, i hope they dont mess up some of those 5000 year old rocks. I wonder why they call them ruins?

I might agree if I'd ever met such a person!

He’s clearly from Surrey

I think there is a general acceptance that Minoan society continued, but that it was subjugated to some degree by the Mycenaeans. We do not really have any strict evidence of the impact of Thera on the Minoans. Thera was considerable and would have surely had some consequences on nearby societies, but quite what impact it had on the Minoans is a subject for debate.

I think we have to be careful to remember that the pygmy species likely evolved on the islands whereas the humans did not.

@Herbal Shaman I'm not quite sure what point you are trying to make. I already pointed out that they weren't indigenous by asking what they were doing on Crete in the first place. My point about the land bridge is if it DIDN'T exist then these animals were most likely brought there. Hippos can swim as can elephants but it is unlikely they would have been able to swim from North Africa on their own. [There would have to be enough of them swimming to Crete to provide a viable breeding population. Not a likely scenario in my estimation.] If these animals couldn't walk there and couldn't swim there the only solution is they were brought there (ferried there). That would be quite a feat for humans 120,000 year ago.

@Herbal Shaman Nope. There are 'double headed axes' from Pre-Columbian Mesoamerica but they are by no means a labrys. They are, at best, similar to a modern day lumberjack's double-headed axe. Labyrs have a specific design form and the MesoAmerican axes do not conform to it. I couldn't even find an example of a West African double-headed axe, let alone a labyrs, on the Internet. Did you read my comment on the word Labyr. That was an ancient word [possibly from western Asia] that may have been applied to the axe used by the Minoans. From Labyrs may have come the world Labyrinth which the ancient Greeks used to describe the home of the Minotaur. In all likelihood the maze that housed the Minotaur was just a Greek remembrance of the huge palace of Knossos with its 1300 rooms. Eumelanate? You sound like one of the Afrocentric crackpots. I thought Mary Lefkowitz, in her book "Not Out of Africa" had put an end to this pseudo-academic nonsense. Apparently not. By the way, Michael Ventris, an architect and classicist deciphered the Linear B script in the early 1950s. It turned out to be a very archaic version of Greek NOT something that came from Africa as you may be suggesting. The Middle East could not have been a source for the population of the Minoans as Greek was not spoken in this region during the early bronze age. Some parts of Asia Minor could have been. The western coast of Asia minor (south of the Troad) which included Aeolia, Ionia, and Doria were Greek speaking in the Bronze Age. Whether anyone from this area settled in Crete is unknown. One other thing, Arthur Evans made similar claims to yours about neolithic settlers arriving by boat. I can't remember from which side of the Mediterranean Sea they came. I do remember he was unequivocal that Linear B could not be Greek (based on the neolithic backstory) He turned out to be dead wrong on this assertion. If the Linear A script ever gets deciphered we may lean more about the early origins of Crete. You may be proved right if that text turns out to be based on an African language. That would give strong evidence that the Greeks came later supplanting the original inhabitants. Right now, as far as I can determine, there is no strong evidence for this to be the case.

@Herbal Shaman Hi Herbal Shaman. I'm still a bit unclear what your point is. Zeus with a Labyrs would be no surprise. He is a Greek God and the father of Minos as this documentary already brought out. I did a bit of research on Shango and the Yoruban people. I did find examples of double-headed axes that are definitely examples of a Labyrs. Problem is, ALL of them are dated to the 19th century and I am referring to museum pieces. Not one of the museums appears to have an example prior to that period. There are other examples of Labyrs but they are 21st century arts and crafts items available for purchase over the Internet. So far, I haven't found any description of a Yoruban double-headed axe that references a time prior to the 19th century. More importantly, it looks like the origins of Shango are fairly recent, historically speaking. For instance, one online reference says the following about him: Shango was the fourth king of the ancient Oyo Empire, the West African center of culture and politics for the Yoruba people. The Oyo Empire thrived from the fifteenth century until 1835." ( www.windows2universe.org/mythology/shango_storm.html ). You should note that the stone carving of Shango at the link above does NOT depict him with a Labyrs which likely suggests that implement may be a later addition to his legend. So, I have to ask: can you provide me with a link to anything that shows a Yoruban 'Labyrs' from 2000 BCE? You would have to go back at least that far if your position is that the Labrys came to Crete through Africa. I have spent a fair amount of time doing research (worthwhile) on this topic; but, I have yet to come up with anything that would be pertinent to the Labyrs ==> Labryrinth issue. I think you are right concerning the female link to the Labyrs. If I recall this properly, Sir Arthur Evans concluded that the religion of Crete may have been centred around a female godess. I think he also associated the Labrys with this cult. In other words, the Labrys was a religious implement not a weapon of war. By the way, the female connection to the story of Crete was discussed fairly well by this video including the Snake Godess.

phys.org/news/2017-08-civilizations-greece-revealing-stories-science.html

Neolithic peoples would have - probably due to proximity. There were two waves of migrations - the second bringing agriculture.

I am not totally convinced that the Minoans were one wave of people from one particular origin.

@@historyoftheworldpodcast5234 No possible way they stayed the same ethnicity if they had interstate trade established - they were trading wives and possibly slaves and captured enemies the same way they were trading any other good.

And agriculture didn't just happen to evolve separate from the rest of the world. A traveler or settler taught them.

@Herbal Shaman , because people dont simply step on a boat and risk their lives without seeing Land on the horizon. Its a silly theory.

If you read that very study it includes an acknowledgement of cultural exchange between the Minoans and the Egyptians.

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I understand your point, but the question to me was why did I think that Minoans had anything to do with Egypt. Archaeological artefacts and the texts of the stated study of 2015 are the reason why I think so. I find it difficult to believe that such advanced society emerged completely independently by indigenous peoples of Crete, and that there had to be Cycladic and Egyptian influence. I'm not saying I'm right, but that seems logical to me based on the geography, archaeology and technology of all said cultures. What are your thoughts?

@Etruscans civilization My only issue with that is the presence of differing skin colours among the figures depicted in Minoan frescoes suggests to me an amalgamation of cultures, which would make more sense considering the closeness of Minoan trade links with Europe. I can't believe that Europeans had no close association with ancient Cretans at all as you have suggested. There are too many cultural links, and the Cycladic peoples seem far to active to have bypassed Crete altogether in the centuries preceding Minoan peak. I'd be more inclined to consider a fusion of cultures.

It’s the most capitalistic thing about me.