Me neither to be honest. It's kind of life draining but for some reason I wanna be the very best.
@Markster30006 ай бұрын
@@TheExcellentPokedex like no one ever was
@whaletastic92006 ай бұрын
still a good game,pokemon go is kinda timeless
@guy_th186 ай бұрын
to complete the dex, pretty fun for it too
@BlueHuesStudios6 ай бұрын
I like to integrate a game while I’m walking
@Forged4War2066 ай бұрын
Niantic: "We want to reward players for being very skilled at throwing, but only on Pokemon that you would normally be able to catch without any issue."
@fatcatjinglebell5 ай бұрын
quaxly is typing….
@NeroTheAntiHiro5 ай бұрын
@@fatcatjinglebellI have wasted so many balls on Quax and Rowlet!
@Noamalmoggg5 ай бұрын
yup
@BillSchrader5 ай бұрын
@@fatcatjinglebellit has a really low capture rate so it’s not one of those pokemon easy to catch lol not even in the slightest😂
@Axecon16 ай бұрын
This is an excellent video. Short, valid points, and mathematical backing in the evidence. Well done!
@TheExcellentPokedex6 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching and the kinds words. :)
@Dudeman23rd6 ай бұрын
Top-tier research, kudos to you! At the very least, you taught me about circle locking, which I didn't realize happened when you took your finger off a ball without throwing.
@TheExcellentPokedex6 ай бұрын
Super useful for raids and shadows that attack a lot!
@Dudeman23rd6 ай бұрын
@@TheExcellentPokedex My thoughts exactly!
@SmiteKhepri5 ай бұрын
Oh man you've been missing out big time. It's a life saver for catching tier 5 and mega raid pokemon
@nicholasjakubowicz6 ай бұрын
LOL! omg the "fake" Kennedy speach was priceless.
@TheExcellentPokedex6 ай бұрын
It's kind of random but after I thought of it I had to throw it in. :)
@Snorlax22776 ай бұрын
fantastic video, you are a criminally underrated KZfaqr. this is the PoGo content i've been wanting to see!
@TheExcellentPokedex6 ай бұрын
Thank you! Trying to make the nerdy technical stuff that I want to see in the world. :)
@aogasd6 ай бұрын
200 views?? Bruh, we need to be shouting this for everyone to hear. Brb sending this to my mutuals
@TheExcellentPokedex6 ай бұрын
I appreciate you! KZfaq algorithm seems to have picked it up a bit and is giving it some love.
@dr_nick_dpt_6 ай бұрын
Thank you for combating misinformation! I appreciate the technical analysis provided. You earned a new sub :)
@TheExcellentPokedex6 ай бұрын
I thought others would appreciate answers to the questions I was thinking. :)
@GodsVoice15 ай бұрын
This is a level of obsession I admire.
@TheExcellentPokedex5 ай бұрын
Gotta get the answers.
@ahoyladies85206 ай бұрын
Genuinely awesome video quality, thanks for making this 🙌🙌
@TheExcellentPokedex6 ай бұрын
I appreciate you too. :)
@catchingstars76 ай бұрын
The information is delivered clearly and concise manner, than you for the video, I enjoyed it! Fantastic research!
@TheExcellentPokedex6 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching and the kind words! :)
@colinstorm28925 ай бұрын
HOLY CRAP I JUST TESTED THIS ON TWO RANDOM POKEMON AFTER WATCHING THE VIDEO AND GOT CRITICAL CATCH TWICE IN A ROW
@TheExcellentPokedex5 ай бұрын
The hype is real.
@colinstorm28925 ай бұрын
@@TheExcellentPokedex Even tho it is kinda useless its really cool to realize that it works
@Jowgen6 ай бұрын
This is good work
@TheExcellentPokedex6 ай бұрын
:)
@sagacious035 ай бұрын
Interesting analysis video! Glad to see you ironed it out! Thanks for uploading!
@TheExcellentPokedex5 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching. :)
@uuiillee5 ай бұрын
This channel is a godsent
@aguyirl5 ай бұрын
While these probably wont make this any more useful of a technique, they may be helpful to draw some more conclusions about the mechanic: 1) Can you perfect capture a Beldum? I'm not actually sure if beldum has a similarly low catch rate in pogo as it does in the main games, but if it does it might help draw conclusions about whether it's catch rate that is allowing for perfect captures. 2) Can you perfect capture a battle league reward legendary? Again, not useful practically since you're not at risk of losing the encounter, but it would also help to draw conclusions about whether it's legendary status that is stopping the perfect capture, versus how the pokemon is encountered, or a combination of elements.
@TheExcellentPokedex5 ай бұрын
These are great ideas!
@Neogeddon5 ай бұрын
Beldum in GO is about as easy as any other pseudo (i.e., only a tiny bit harder than average)
@aguyirl5 ай бұрын
@@Neogeddon True, just looked up the catch rates, at a glance i believe it would work on most of the 5% catch rate mons, and then at a glance only saw legendaries with a lower rate. So maybe there'd be no new information to gather from that idea.
@xDieGoVAx4 ай бұрын
The mechanic could work on some wild legendaries like the lake trio we got in the Sinnoh tour, so it could end up being useful in some specific cases in the future? Although I feel like the theory of low catch rates disabling the waranted critical catch may be true. But who knows, they could end up releasing some high fleed rate pkms with not that low catch rate where the technic becomes usefull along with the buddy mechanic
@TheExcellentPokedex4 ай бұрын
Sadly I doubt it will work for Lake Trio, but I don't have direct evidence of that. I do agree there could be some niche cases where it comes in handy.
@FlamingZombie5675 ай бұрын
Thank you for the well researched analysis! Nowadays with Silph gone, all you can rely on are a few trustworthy websites and local players for reliable information. Also, I went back through some of my Tapu Koko catching videos and found that 9 of my throws were within the perfect throw size range but did not result in a critical catch (ratio of 102px/850px or 12% for worst case). I was sure that I was doing something wrong or that the circle had been reset to a bigger size since I was attack buffering, but I guess it was ineligible in the first place.
@TheExcellentPokedex5 ай бұрын
Yeah, since I made this video, I have some confirmed "perfects" on Shadow Raikou and Tyranitar that don't result in critical catches. Just doesn't work on pseudo-legendaries or legendaries it seems.
@MarkFonts6 ай бұрын
i haven’t found a suitable way to discuss how difficult it is to know when the “catch” ring comes back because it varies wildly from pokemon to pokemon, to the point that some pokemon look like theyre idle looping, but are still finish in the attack animation, and others are can have the circle back one frame after the attack is struck, and they are withdrawing
@TheExcellentPokedex6 ай бұрын
Oh yeah, timing after an attack when using circle lock is really tricky and definitely differs for every Pokemon. It's one of the main values that we can get from studying throws on raid bosses.
@KybubStudios6 ай бұрын
This was such a good video. My god man. Feel like you should make a video about the meaning of life next
@TheExcellentPokedex6 ай бұрын
I appreciate the kind words. Not sure how to gather data on the meaning of life though. 🤔
@oonmm5 ай бұрын
42?
@thesuperzfamilyvlog66076 ай бұрын
Very well put together video. Enjoyed it a lot. It's a shame the technique doesn't work. I'd rather not waste a Master ball, but I guess i need to see a galarian bird first. I still haven't seen one and i've done the incense nearly every day, and yes I do walk/ride bike, and still nothing.
@TheExcellentPokedex6 ай бұрын
My perspective is, what's the point of a Master Ball if not to catch a Galarian bird? You don't *really* need them for anything else, except maybe last ball on hundo legendaries. I just wish there were 3 Master balls so I didn't need to choose which bird to skip. Same though, haven't seen a Galarian bird in ages.
@thesuperzfamilyvlog66076 ай бұрын
@@TheExcellentPokedex I agree with you, but I hold the belief that as soon as I use my master ball, a legendary I truly want will come and I'll never be able to get it 😂
@kapokee5 ай бұрын
As I was watching this video I was just catching some Pokémon from my research stack and a Sentret came up and I hit a perfect excellent only to look back at the video and see you do the same thing at 12:19 lol
@TheExcellentPokedex5 ай бұрын
Weird coincidence! I love Sentret. It's like a walking bullseye.
@saifal-badri6 ай бұрын
Amazing work, thanks a lot 🎉
@TheExcellentPokedex6 ай бұрын
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
@user-Camjja6 ай бұрын
Next thing for you to test is does this work over speed cap? Really appreciate the work you put in:)
@3enjamin6 ай бұрын
I think nothing skill based works on speed cap, not even a shiny legendary that supposely guaranteed catch once the ball hit it. It's like a mechanism of game so it probably override everything else.
@TheExcellentPokedex6 ай бұрын
I think I agree with @3enjamin, I doubt it would make a difference.
@user-Camjja6 ай бұрын
@@3enjamin Thanks so much:)
@larswinge10364 ай бұрын
Really like the analytical approach. Good work. But not sure, the Perfect throw animation always is related to a precise, Excellent throw. More than once, I've got the animation, but only rewarded 170XP (100+50+20), for a regular first catch, curved 'bulls eye' throw (?)
@TheExcellentPokedex4 ай бұрын
You get the animation with 1% probability for ANY throw. But it's only guaranteed for a perfect throw on certain Pokemon.
@ChefBoyYeshua5 ай бұрын
If that Certepie image messed your eyes up. 👇
@Markster30006 ай бұрын
Based poketrainer JFK at 6:52 was amazing
@TheExcellentPokedex6 ай бұрын
One of those thoughtworms that can't not make it into the video.
@Isaac-bv5wy6 ай бұрын
Dude, the colour circle is a an indicator for catch rate (red for hard, orange for medium, green for easy). The shrinking of circle is to mark where the center of the catch área is, if you hit the exact center is a excelente throw. Is doesn't matter if you throw the ball at the smallest or biggest circle, only matter where the ball hits!!!
@TheExcellentPokedex6 ай бұрын
You are correct, but catch rate also increases the smaller the catch circle is when your ball hits the Pokemon, as long as it's inside the colorful circle. Less than 13.5% (of grey circle diameter) is a "perfect" Excellent throw, less than 30% is Excellent, less than 70% is Great, and any larger is Nice.
@Isaac-bv5wy6 ай бұрын
@@TheExcellentPokedex yeap that is true
@splitsee25265 ай бұрын
ion even play pokemon go anymore but still liked the video
@TheExcellentPokedex5 ай бұрын
Nice! I tried to make it reasonably entertaining. :)
@gabrielcomeau35186 ай бұрын
of they make this an extra stardust bonus like 1k it would make it so much better.
@TheExcellentPokedex6 ай бұрын
Yeah, I wish they were a little more creative with rewards for throwing. I really like the events where you get extra candy or candy XL chance for Nice/Great/Excellent throws.
@cpk99996 ай бұрын
10:02 instructions on how to make critical catch. thumbs up for everyone else to see and come back to
@wailmoregd1405 ай бұрын
I think it’s useful, but not practical, since it’s so hard. Mastering this technique though is great for situations such as community days are other similar events where you’d ideally be catching as many pokemon as possible within the time limit.
@TheExcellentPokedex5 ай бұрын
Definitely there is a tradeoff with efficiency though. For community days I usually quick catch with excellents as fast as I can, and trying for the smallest circle generally takes more time. If I'm just going for candy, I'll just throw immediately without even bothering with excellents.
@LegendCampbell6 ай бұрын
Good video! 👍
@TheExcellentPokedex6 ай бұрын
:)
@cg87705 ай бұрын
Amazing video! Thank you :) I just subscribed
@TheExcellentPokedex5 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching. :)
@LeDogueDeBroceliande6 ай бұрын
Did the Passimian run away after escaping what seemed to be a perfect throw ?
@TheExcellentPokedex6 ай бұрын
It didn't run away, it just escaped the ball. I caught it on a later throw. (So it wasn't speed locked if that's what you mean)
@poeterritory6 ай бұрын
Great video and interesting information. I just never mastered consistently excellent throws. If there is a trick to it, I've not found it.
@SonixMDTCK6 ай бұрын
Excellent video! You earned a like and a sub 👏
@TheExcellentPokedex6 ай бұрын
Appreciate you. :)
@prasann996 ай бұрын
Is this is the power of God
@TheExcellentPokedex6 ай бұрын
power of arceus?
@prasann996 ай бұрын
no bruh, I am Prasing you@@TheExcellentPokedex
@xdabsx15 ай бұрын
It doesn’t work on Audino either
@CraigsOverijse2 ай бұрын
very interesting but where does you ball need to land I often hit a small circke and do not even always get great it can not only be about circle size
@TheExcellentPokedex2 ай бұрын
The ball needs to land inside the colorful circle. As long as you're definitely inside this circle it will count. Practice this on larger and closer Pokemon first, like Slowpoke, Furfrou, Ponyta, etc. Sometimes you may feel like you hit the small circle but in reality you didn't. You could try taking screen recordings and watching them back in slow motion. I can say that very likely you landed just outside.
@CraigsOverijse2 ай бұрын
@@TheExcellentPokedex thanks but sorry dude it is not helpful reply. It is like people saying let the circle be small %. So to explain as far as I see my ball hits the circle and lands in it and even if small inner circle I am not get excellent, so if the inner circle is tiny when my ball contacts I can only conclude it must be this part of ball needs to land at this point in the circle for that to work not just it needs to be hitting and landing somewhere in the small circle! I have played eight years I no clue how to record my screen to show people but I visually see nothing different between excellent shots and nothing shots. Telling me to practice I find deeply hilarious dude I have been trying for years I have played since fhe start. No way I can easily get screen shots beyond my abilities I am stuck level 49 trying to get 999 excellent shots! I think its my dyslexia it is so annoying because I do not understand the mechanics of this and believe me I have tried. People who can do it often can not explain how they just make stupid remarks like wait the circle is small or the ball needs to land in the circle so to ask again because clearly you did not understand my struggle which part of the ball needs to be where for this to be excellent.
@Z4KIUS5 ай бұрын
for catch assist you need 60Hz screen and half of that framerate, any different combination is unreliable at best
@TheExcellentPokedex5 ай бұрын
That's useful! I've collected a bunch of data on this and found it works WAY more often for me without native refresh rate, but is still only 50% success rate there. Probably depends heavily on device - maybe it needs what you say there. It also depends a lot on the Pokemon you're doing it on. For example, for some reason Charmander seems much less likely to work.
@Jazzy_Maximus6 ай бұрын
For the passimissian example, were you speedlocked/otherwise unable to catch the Pokémon? Id imagine that’s probably why
@TheExcellentPokedex6 ай бұрын
No, I have the whole video and it just breaks out and then I later catch it normally. Really good suggestion though.
@DHYAonYT6 ай бұрын
very well done :)
@renshiue5 ай бұрын
nice
@SlickTater5 ай бұрын
Am I the only one that remembers “perfect” throws being in the game at launch??? I swear it said “Perfect” at the smallest point instead of “Excellent”
@TheExcellentPokedex5 ай бұрын
I don't think we really know when they were added. They just got popularized recently, and maybe no one noticed explicitly before.
@peterpokemon97775 ай бұрын
I found that if I made perfect throws on legendaries, they popped out immediately without any pokeball wiggle
@TheExcellentPokedex5 ай бұрын
Yeah, it happens. For legendaries the perfect throw doesn't guarantee a catch so it'll pop out a lot.
@CharlesDavidOliver6 ай бұрын
Whats the draw over app that shows your lines for ball throws?
@TheExcellentPokedex6 ай бұрын
It's in Android developer options and is called "Pointer location". Not a separate app.
@novy11986 ай бұрын
you see this when the app is open? does it help catching? @@TheExcellentPokedex
@TheExcellentPokedex6 ай бұрын
Yes I can see it. I don't think it really helps that much - if anything it's distracting visual noise. I just permanently have it on for when I record videos, since it's useful for studying the throw path for my excellent throw guide videos.
@CharlesDavidOliver6 ай бұрын
@@TheExcellentPokedex I was looking at it from the perspective of how i threw my last ball and how I could correct my throw for a better throw. After using it for a bit, i wish there was a quick toggle to turn on it instead of going all the way down in the menu.
@satrickptar62655 ай бұрын
Time to save my Nanab.
@TheExcellentPokedex5 ай бұрын
Yeah, those definitely help.
@Haydenisepic5 ай бұрын
This isn’t related but I used my masterball to catch a shiny bidoof
@TheExcellentPokedex5 ай бұрын
Honestly, the only correct way of using it.
@Bird-wz7nx4 ай бұрын
They should just let people have it if they can master perfect throws. Its a real skill. This degree of randomness is just so damn *mean* its bad game design
@TheExcellentPokedex4 ай бұрын
I agree!
@emily.toombs6 ай бұрын
I’m horrible with math so I really appreciate the “do you want to do the math” people.
@TheExcellentPokedex6 ай бұрын
Haha, I'm definitely a "they did the math" person.
@antiphet36965 ай бұрын
Where can i find the pic you used at 00:45?
@TheExcellentPokedex5 ай бұрын
If you mean the "catch circle is at its smallest possible point", it's taken from the OP of the Reddit post: www.reddit.com/r/TheSilphRoad/comments/18ros80/confirmed_critical_catches/
@antiphet36965 ай бұрын
@@TheExcellentPokedex I meant at 00:50 swapped the seconds of the total video with where it was :E
@TheExcellentPokedex5 ай бұрын
Ah, the thing with the Pokeball in the middle? It's actually an AI generated image from DALL-E 3 (the ChatGPT-4 image generator)@@antiphet3696
@steffimaier72976 ай бұрын
In my case I seem to have better chances at catching when it isn't ab Excellent. Caught several Legendaries (that previously popped out off excellents) with crappy throws.
@TheExcellentPokedex6 ай бұрын
Tbh I think that's just coincidence. Catch probabilities are pretty well understood now. Best is definitely that curve + excellent + golden razzberry. That said, if you can't consistently hit Excellents then going for Greats is still decently good catch odds. Note also that every ball in a raid has slightly increased catch chances. So your first ball is your worst, last ball is the best. I can never rule out anything though.
@steffimaier72976 ай бұрын
@@TheExcellentPokedex This coincidence happened far too often for me now. At this point (when it comes to Legendaries) I don't care for excellent throws anymore. I do care if it is for a task or to get extra XP. Which is why I'm wondering if this has changed now. My tinfoilhat theory is that Niantic doesn't want people level up too fast. LOL Didn't know about the first vs last ball-catch chances.
@KingPeenor6 ай бұрын
What about the raid bosses that you give a golden razz and hit excellent throws every time and they still flee with 15-20 balls to attempt... niantic be intergrating garantee flees for some raid bosses and i dont hear anything about it..m ive had a few legend hundos flee the most painful one being the hubdo kyogre only had 11 balls from the 2023 tour all excellent throws with a golden raz and it fled? Whats the point of me teying excellent throws if it wont even help? Why i waste all my golden razzes and have non left for the next raid.... i have to stop this game its too stressfull and limited. Fear of missing put mentality and tickets tickets tickets. Catch 40 legend rayq in a row and not a single shiny type thing!!!
@TheExcellentPokedex6 ай бұрын
I don't disagree but even with optimal throw the catch rates on some are so low that there's only something like an 85% chance of a catch after 10-15 balls, or something like that (better analysis is available elsewhere). I don't think there's such a thing as a "guaranteed flee", it's just bad luck. I do think that it should let you keep throwing until you at least miss an Excellent though. It sucks to do it perfectly and still miss out.
@wesuri886 ай бұрын
would be nice to have a catch percentage multiplier in this case. for each consecutive excellent throw, you increase the catch rate.
@Isaac-bv5wy6 ай бұрын
There is not a guarantee critical catch, only bonus for type badges (+1 to +4) and bonus for great/excellent throw and AR+Curve ball. (Also the color ring green/orange/red). Your chance for crítical catch depends of all of this.
@TheExcellentPokedex6 ай бұрын
There are both. Guaranteed critical catch occurs on normal Pokemon when the circle is very tiny. Tons of people, not just me, have observed this to be consistently true. Badges are also a thing, but a separate phenomenon.
@Isaac-bv5wy6 ай бұрын
@@TheExcellentPokedex also there are smaller circles and some takes more than 2 seconds, I believe it depends on the distance and size of the pokemon (they could appear on catch screen very close or very far).
@TheExcellentPokedex6 ай бұрын
@@Isaac-bv5wy They vary in size but the full cycle always appears to take 2 seconds and the relative sizes (e.g. 30% for Excellent) is constant across all Pokemon. If you have a counterexample in mind I can check it out though.
@Isaac-bv5wy6 ай бұрын
@@TheExcellentPokedex try on bigger mons like finale evolutions from daily incencense or rare wild spwans, but I pretty sure some pokemon have more tiny circles (I ll take notes).
@iamlucario6 ай бұрын
I'm pretty sure this doesn't work on premier balls
@Forged4War2066 ай бұрын
It doesn't lmao. Niantic wants to reward you for being skilled by allowing you to instantly catch Sneasel but not anything useful like Legendaries that can instantly flee 🤣
@Hank_Khanab_Ame6 ай бұрын
How is there not a bot that discovered this a long time ago?
@TheExcellentPokedex6 ай бұрын
Maybe there was? But if there was, no one published the information publicly anywhere. There are definitely hacked clients out there but I wanted to get this information as legit as possible.
@SmiteKhepri5 ай бұрын
Damn I always thought critical catches were random lol
@TheExcellentPokedex5 ай бұрын
They are, partially. Most criticals will be the random 1% chance unless you're specifically going for tiny catch circles.
@cjlarge4205 ай бұрын
My mom is prob more accomplished Poke Go player then most of y’all 😝