The Rise (and Fall) of Top Player Secondaries

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@0DRONZER 4 жыл бұрын

imagine if in an alternate reality where hungrybox is hungryfox

@menacingfroggo9767 4 жыл бұрын

Yes.

@trueblueryu5713 3 жыл бұрын

AlphaSpook he’s the only puff player in the top 30, and one of only 2 in the top 50! There aren’t that many top level puff players compared to Fox, Marth, even Shiek or Falcon. Then again, Axe is the only Pikachu player in the top 100 and Amsa is the only Yoshi player in the top 100 and they’re both in the top 10, so maybe those characters need more experimentation too

@aidenandre106 3 жыл бұрын

That’s just 20XX

@internettroll6875 3 жыл бұрын

mang0 would be the jigglypuff main

@cortesitobb4173 3 жыл бұрын

Weegee Plays 20FF

@MarbleVirus 4 жыл бұрын

Every now and then I come back to look at Hungrybox's Fox Those full hop bairs man... He's so dumb I love him.

@FungalFury 4 жыл бұрын

i mean he did pretty well as genghis juan

@shadoninja 4 жыл бұрын

Are those back airs dumb or just against the meta?

@CannibalKake 4 жыл бұрын

Shadoninja I believe it was because every single one was a full hop. Fox is pretty notoriously hard to short hop with without practice so it somewhat signified he didn’t have all the tech down

@leaffinite2001 4 жыл бұрын

Hes not dumb, just inexperienced with Fox, lol

@DiamondDust132 4 жыл бұрын

@Ryan Yeah, it's almost like he doesn't play the character regularly or something.

@shadoninja 4 жыл бұрын

The fact that Mang0's reverse dolphin slash didn't hit Hax with the sweet spot still confuses and frustrates me to this day.

@Swampson7043 4 жыл бұрын

I wish mango won so badly

@lukenawrocki5042 3 жыл бұрын

When does this happen?

@lukenawrocki5042 3 жыл бұрын

NEVERMIND I SEE IT

@neophyte_tpk 3 жыл бұрын

Its insane dude

@CHADCONTEXT 3 жыл бұрын

It always been like this with Mang0: mixed results

@namenamename390 3 жыл бұрын

By the way, Hbox's awful wavedash with fox has a simple reason: he wavedashes with tap jump, which is unusual on its own, but it works well enough with puff's 5 frame jump squat. This does not apply to fox with a 3 frame jump squat, which is why the wavedashes look very dodgy.

@DreamcastSoup 3 жыл бұрын

Huh never considered that

@swimswum 3 жыл бұрын

What does tap jump mean? Why is it slow?

@namenamename390 3 жыл бұрын

@@swimswum tap jump is pressing up on the stick to jump. It's slower to wavedash with because you first move your stick up and then diagonally down for the wavedash input, which is hard to do in 3 frames.

@gbpooky 3 жыл бұрын

he WHAT?

@mlalbaitero 3 жыл бұрын

He actually only tap jumps

@Ryusuta 3 жыл бұрын

I'm a little let down that you didn't show the complete rise and fall of Armada's Young Link. He picked up Young Link to counter Jigglypuff, but then Hungrybox finally started beating his Young Link with Puff.

@chulumpthebigmoneywizard851 4 жыл бұрын

I love how Swedish Delight and Hbox were laughing and talking the entire time they were playing

@DreamcastSoup 3 жыл бұрын

Probably a good friendship

@genesisfgc 3 жыл бұрын

But when Z*ck and L*ma talk to each other it's blasphemy

@judgefish4044 3 жыл бұрын

@@genesisfgc Zack and Lima were stalling deliberately as a joke and casually chatting at evo grand finals their not really comparable.

@Ninefoxes 4 жыл бұрын

Anyone back here after the rise of Genghis Juan?

@frankiewimbish1117 4 жыл бұрын

came to the comments to see this

@zurypuebla8879 4 жыл бұрын

no i just saw for whatever reason

@hmmmmmmmmmm_ 2 жыл бұрын

> Be hbox > Play jigglypuff for 10+ years > Pick fox against the best player in the world > fullhop

@ricardoludwig4787 4 жыл бұрын

Kinda love hboxs ratchet ass fox, his decision making is so different from regular ones it makes it kind mesmerizing, cuz none of it is bad

@harpot678 2 жыл бұрын

Bad tech, but yeah honestly probably the only problem, his decision making was great

@NeoGraena 2 жыл бұрын

@@harpot678 mans just too used to Puff...

@FlamingZelda3 3 жыл бұрын

Sometimes you just need to switch to a crappy secondary to appreciate how good your main character is

@herpydepth1204 3 жыл бұрын

Huh why does this match seem so familiar? “You do need that edge guard” Oh yeah

@iamlucidess 3 жыл бұрын

That Luigi at the end made the whole video.

@istoleyunomilesbigmac 3 жыл бұрын

luigi needs to get to a higher tier

@kylenayolfa4562 2 жыл бұрын

His peach Marth and falcon need a bit more favor in the matchup lol. Though very good and fun character

@GDCLOUDY 3 жыл бұрын

Hfox just looks like my 2 month practice fox

@jasonlee462 3 жыл бұрын

Except he can face Armada at EVO...

@sameeyell2586 4 жыл бұрын

did he just......? WALK UP AND DOWN SMASH????

@wariggs16 4 жыл бұрын

He did. He really did, though.

@drip3434 3 жыл бұрын

Slowly

@TheRedScizor 4 жыл бұрын

Roy's our boy

@dmoc7546 4 жыл бұрын

@drgraphix2912 4 жыл бұрын

ROY'S OUR BOY!

@quenonisbsphennin4286 4 жыл бұрын

Weeb Killer shut the freak off

@Vatis93 4 жыл бұрын

23:04 that last stock made me mad, and I remember watching this live.

@plant3bananas297 4 жыл бұрын

Ikr that was so bullshit

@MasonEricPatterson 4 жыл бұрын

Was M2K allowed to just pick Sheik like that? I thought you have to declare your character first and then the stage. Please let me know how it actually works

@_treeko 4 жыл бұрын

You pick the stage then the winner of the match picks their character then the loser picks their character

@chamitoempire1672 3 жыл бұрын

You just have fun

@elleirvin2717 3 жыл бұрын

Mango was imitating a dark Triade and using dark tactics to make hax uncomfortable

@harpot678 2 жыл бұрын

It still shocks me to this day that Hax thought he could convince everyone with his Dark Triad shtick. So much of his argument hinged on 'He's a dark Triad he's evil I see his true intentions', which took away so much from his argument

@elleirvin2717 2 жыл бұрын

@@harpot678 like 300 people on twitter believe it and will raid your dms if you say anything negative about hax it's wild

@lv70rouge 2 жыл бұрын

i guess this is where Mang0 learned fox-marth on FD is 60-40 shout out to summit 11

@istoleyunomilesbigmac 3 жыл бұрын

This thumbnail looks totally fine

@justinannanmanthodo5010 3 жыл бұрын

I had to view 5:45 over again, beautiful.

@istoleyunomilesbigmac 3 жыл бұрын

i can't believe axe played falcon

@zurypuebla8879 4 жыл бұрын

why cut the beat of mango with hax$

@Swampson7043 4 жыл бұрын

I live for mango secondaries (and mains lol)

@zumie3285 2 жыл бұрын

Them full hops from Hfox tho haha

@el-yerba-buena9678 3 жыл бұрын

Dang that was S I C K 5:45

@ryanm8865 4 жыл бұрын

Sheik2Joints

@christianjensen7699 3 жыл бұрын

When I play video games, and every 1000 points... I sheik2joints

@Raven-gx4kj 3 жыл бұрын

Smoke2Sheiks

@givecamichips 3 ай бұрын

2:15 Fun fact, Danes ruled over England for about 50 years. So a Swede doing it isn't as unlikely as you might think.

@ColemakDH 3 жыл бұрын

and the rise again

@brittanysqueech 3 жыл бұрын

hungrybox plays fox?

@TheStickCollector 3 жыл бұрын

Nice

@connorgunderson3203 2 жыл бұрын

Wow, those commentators don't know anything about Luigi, do they? Luigi's back air has a huge starting hitbox, his up smash is disjointed, his down air and starting nair are disjointed, his forward tilt is stupid long and down smash is also really scary for Puff if she tries to land. In other words, Luigi has incredible pressure in neutral and only loses the matchup because of his recovery.

@crenando288 2 жыл бұрын

I mean can you really blame them for not knowing the intricacies of a very niche MU, they didnt act like they knew what was happening

@Delightfully_Bitchy 2 жыл бұрын

Luigi loses the matchup and hard because Puff's back air is far more disjointed, and Luigi is sluggish in the air. It's far more than just his recovery.

@thomasvandenbelt4097 3 жыл бұрын

It looks like Hbox can’t short hop? Is short hopping not a thing if you’re puff?

@CojonesMuchoGrande 3 жыл бұрын

Different frames, i think fox needs 3, puff 5

@SRM13 3 жыл бұрын

It’s easier to short hop on puff, they have different jump squat frames. Hbox also uses tap jump to short hop and wave dash

@Raven-gx4kj 3 жыл бұрын

Hbox uses tap jump I cant imagine short hopping with tap jump

@kestrel7493 3 жыл бұрын

Also, fox full hop is an amazing option and if you play to take advantage of it, it's obvious in your playstyle. For example, IBDW is known for using loads of full hop because it's a good option

@Raven-gx4kj 3 жыл бұрын

@@kestrel7493 you completely missed the point. The point is that hbox NEVER full hopped. Full hopping is good but you have to short hop too. He plays puff who has the smallest full hop in the game

@istoleyunomilesbigmac 3 жыл бұрын

Why did hbox play fox?

@towb5495 2 ай бұрын

The best game ever.

@mitkru16 3 жыл бұрын

What about Leffen's Mewtwo

@ColemakDH 3 жыл бұрын

not his sheik?

@mitkru16 3 жыл бұрын

@@ColemakDH Not nearly as iconic as his Mewtwo

@ColemakDH 3 жыл бұрын

@@mitkru16 ???? and? doesn't matter how iCoNiC it is when he actually competitively uses sheik and mewtwo has always been for lower leveled players, most people who think of his secondary they think of his sheik because he actually uses it unironically and that has been known for a while

@mitkru16 3 жыл бұрын

@@ColemakDH That's why the first clip is of Armada with Young Link

@ColemakDH 3 жыл бұрын

@@mitkru16 he actually tried counter picking a god of melee with young link because they went fox not he went young link to style on someone who is nowhere near top 100

@Greyhound33 4 жыл бұрын

Lol hbox fox look so busted

@Kowjja 2 жыл бұрын

15:21

@SMALLSandJOE 3 жыл бұрын

Geez dude Taj's commentary on the axe set was SO ANNOYING OH MY GOODNESS LOL

@hbtwov8227 3 жыл бұрын

How so I thinks it’s kinda hype

@xenocide1307 2 жыл бұрын

Hbox may have the ugliest high level fox ever XD

@SlowMoebius 4 жыл бұрын

Really wish Hax lost, probably my least favorite player of all time

@Person-ts9dy 4 жыл бұрын

Did you forget that Army and Nintendude exist?

@mlalbaitero 4 жыл бұрын

He's not a bad person or anything

@swank8508 3 жыл бұрын

why do u not like him? hes one of the only foxes that wholeheartedly believes in his character and doesnt think marth wins 6-4 or anything like that

@swank8508 3 жыл бұрын

@Comment Cop personally as someone who mains neither fox or marth, i do think that marth wins 60-40, so i disagree with hax. What i respect is that he believer in his character while most other foxes just complain

@grantdraus7449 3 жыл бұрын

Bro you spelled Leffen wrong

@fooladoo1076 4 жыл бұрын

You need Jesus

@pearshapedbrain 4 жыл бұрын

@fooladoo1076 4 жыл бұрын

Pearsrs do you have a question about Jesus?

@pearshapedbrain 4 жыл бұрын

@@fooladoo1076 Not really, just wondering why you commented that

@fooladoo1076 4 жыл бұрын

Pearsrs I don’t see why not lol

@SkeletonSSBM 3 жыл бұрын

@@fooladoo1076 don't force religion upon people

@ChamplooMusashi 4 жыл бұрын

someone needs to put lamest player of all time on m2ks tombstone

@friendlyghostval1591 4 жыл бұрын

ChamplooMusashi he may have that title on his tombstone but he also has the title of most tournaments won of all time, and its not very close, and didnt come from farming easy tournaments constantly. Might be lame, but he does it because its sometimes smarter

@c4rt00nk1d 4 жыл бұрын

Play lame, win game

@lucariussb530 4 жыл бұрын

I think you didn't see smash con 2018 grands

@mlalbaitero 4 жыл бұрын

That's just how you win

@freddiesimmons1394 3 жыл бұрын

Why do people hate what it takes to win