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“John Cages 4:33, originally not played on piano, but here, not played by a full orchestra” brilliant 😂

The Omission of Women pioneers such as Meredith Monk, and Pauline Oliveros is GLARING, and Borderline CRIMINAL!

I'm a Gavin Bryars fan for some 30 years now - this documentary is pure gold to me! 👍

"Improvisation/jamming", "sampling", "looping", "synthesizers/keyboards" & all "effects pedals" used by guitarists are courtesy of/or created by "Experimental Music" ! This is why it's the most important category of music.

As an experimental hip hop producer, there is a treasure trove of samples in this documentary. I even heard one MADLIB used starting at 15:48. We all hear things differently. #STAYCREATIVE 👍🏾✌🏾✊🏾

Oh, if every brilliant performer were as beautifully humble as John Tilbury. The outstanding Cardew could not have dreamt of a more thorough, thought-provoking biographer. My respect for John knows no bounds.

why are we talking on phones? even these people realize how ridiculous this is. great material for sure!

"4'33 (1'04 version)" got me hahahaha

What a fascinating programme! I was hoping to see an excerpt from the 1963 performance of Satie's Vexations, which included John Cage and John Cale in the list of performers...

So many of my favourite composers ! A joy to watch !!

That was just fantastic. Loved every second of it.

I been on a continuous drive into expertimental avant garde music, recently. Field recordings, plunderphonics, musique concrete ect. Its all so brilliant and timeless. It has influenced many great bands as well. I been heavily into Matmos, i heard their whole discography in one sitting. I really enjoy hearing music being created from strange corners and structured in a boundary pushing manner. Music is infinite. Music is ever-changing. Music is subjective. So don't ever let anyone tell you that what "real music" is. Don't let anyone be critical of your specific taste. If you enoy it, its soul for ya soul.

Seeing John Cage wearing Deeleeboppers is what I needed to see today!

Thanks for posting

At 30:35 the editors having fun. See the ship in the background that sinks?

7:20 John cage 7:40 super imposition 8:15 John cage completely silent 4 minutes 33 seconds 10:30 screw percussive piano 11:15 Terry Riley in C (minimalism) 15:40 Steve Reich tape loops (minimalism) 17:20 Steve reich clapping music 20:00 Yoko Ono / Eric Anderson Fluxus 20:30 Cornelius Cardew AMM 22:00 Gavin Bryars 24:30 Scratch orchestra 26:00 Cornelius Cardew the great learning 26:55 stockhausen Beulahs avant garde 28:45 Jackson Pollock and Rhaskos 30:15 gavin bryars the sinking of the titanic 31:30 David Bedford with 100 kazoos 32:45 The Beatles, Roxy music, Bryan Eno (obscure records), Frank Zappa 34:00 Steve reich, Phillip glass 34:00 Gavin Bryars Jesus blood (recording of an old man) 40:15 Social collective music making 40:30 John White drinking and hooting machine 42:00 Fire in a pet shop (irony) Portsmouth Sinfonia 43:50 George Frederic Handel chorus Hallelujah 45:00 Richard strauss 45:40 Michael Nyman 46:20 Daniel Miller TVOD

the phone gimmick is rather unfortunate, but what a great doc!

Let me tell you... if I ever had any DVD or VHC or LD of this video I'd never sell it and take it with me when it's time to go and bite dust. Viewing it free here on KZfaq is the reason why I pay for ad-free! Thanks for posting. It's HUGE surprise for me.

27:10 That's the best kick I got out of watching anything in a long time

great,, thanks for sharing

Brian Eno in the choir at 44:06

This is an excellent documentary!

Huge appreciation for uploading this, thank you so much. one of the best documentaries not just on anti music, but in general. total mind opener. i now have so much to research. cheers

Great stuff. Who thought the phone idea was a good one lol

haha why are they talking nervously into rotary phones. looks like theyre handling some kind of hostage crisis

Mind blown. The phrase «Come out to show them» is also used repeatedly in Captain Beefheart’s song «Moonlight on Vermont» from Trout Mask Replica.

What a fantastic find in my KZfaq feed! I should go buy a lottery ticket…

DOOM/Madlib sample in the first minute

Back in the 90's there was this syndicated short-form nature doc that would air on my local tv station late at night. The thing I remember was that the music was really etherial, strange and challenging - very experimental. I would sample it and turn it into an ambient composition. I remember thinking that it was not your typical soundtrack to a nature doc.I believe it had an italian producer??? I wish I could find them. But so far no luck, I cant think of the name of the production - but the music was really cool.

oh isn't this wonderful. ! thanks for posting this

thanks for posting

Thanks for uploading! Was that Victor Lewis Smith narrating?

Derick Bailey (guitar) late 1950s thru 2005. Freestyle jazz improvisation (Noise)

love it!!

Laurie Spiegel, Pauline Oliveros, Delia Derbyshire... ???

I'm glad we're over it :-). We mostly remember minimalists now and that fundamentally is different from avante-garde, experimental, modernist etc... it just happend they were close to those guys. Music is an emotional art and experimentalists fundamentally lacked that skill and understanding.

great documentary! to be fair this is experimental music of north america - and cage the father of experimental music? i don't know how about pierre schaeffer, luc ferrari or luigi russolo in the 1920s? even stockhausen did a lot besides parameter composing - fully determined and completely free pieces there are plenty other experimental composers - honestly, why does it always have to be the americans - every cultural developement? also minimalism took a lot of ideas from indian music

Funny how techno might have been inspired by minimalism, but a good rave is a massive overload of the senses :p

The "best" English contemporary classical music in The States was found on the Argo label which I believe was UK Decca's specialty label. PS For those less adventurous but still adventurous, try enjoying one if not all of Britten's string quartets.

bloody great!

"It's not experimental if you know what you want." - Tomas Svoboda

I was fascinated by Todd Dockstader's "Water Music" from the release "Drone" on Owl Records. I imagined a trip through the inside of a household plumbing system. Too unconventional for commercial radio, you could only hear it on public radio. And considering the time period when these emerged, "trip" may be the most appropriate characterization.

very basic, very androcentric and - surprise surprise - very anglocentric documentary, but it's worth a view if you're new to experimental music

does anybody know the direct source from this

Victor Lewis Smith. Gawd bless yer Sir!

Robert Fripp? Are you IN there?!?

Could you please subtitle it? I can help but I'm unable to understand all the sentences.

why did you put a watermark over this of your own channel Do you own this film ?

5:11 what a sound. can't stop coming back to this part. does anybody know what is this recording and where to get the full version?

Hats off to the BBC for this

Has experimental instrumental music ever combined horror and more upbeat music? if so what are some examples?

0:14 where is that peace from?

32:45 The Beatles, Roxy Music, Brian Eno and Frank Zappa, but where the f*** is John Cale and The Velvet Underground and their influence on Pop and Rock music? Their musical influence of bringing in the Avant-garde and experimentation into these exploding genres during the 60s was far greater and relevant than any of the previous mentioned artists here. They opened up the door to the upcoming universe of Punk and Alternative music. John Cale brought in that sinister menace into the Velvets groundbreaking sound and actually should have been co-credited for the music on those two seminal albums, but unfortunately Lou Reed's massive ego got in the way. Cale had worked and studied under the guidance not only of John Cage and LaMonte Young, but also under Yannis Xenakis, who I haven't seen mentioned here either. After Cale was ousted from the Velvets, Cale went on to produce and arrange Nico's lp trilogy The Marble Index, Desertshore and The End, which would have a massive impact on Postpunk and Goth. Furthermore he produced those milestone debut albums by The Stooges, Patti Smith and The Modern Lovers. I'm still baffled that his contribution to contemporary music is still generally so overlooked, most likely this has to do with him being Welsh and not English, as there is a certain jingoism within the UK (music) press (including you BBC). Most probably the likes of the NME, Melody Maker or Sounds would have herralded him as one of the musical Godfathers like Lou, Iggy and Bowie, dating as far back to the late 70s and early 80s, when the Velvets influence became aparent, had it him being English and not Welsh. Another reason for mainly being permenantly overlooked was Lou Reed, who made almost everybody believe the Velvets was entirely his brainchild with a bit of Warhol and Nico besides, which is still the general and superficial narrative until today.

interesting docu, the thing they do with the telephones is pretty weird

44:07 - Eno!!!!

Wished they'd expounded more on LaMonte Young, John Cale, and Terry Riley. No Pauline Oliveros or SunRa ? I get it, it's the 'beeb' and it was under an hour, but get with the program.

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what is the cage prepared piano piece at 11:50?

The BBC makes it a nice package. Again. In the end revolving around the British. Fish & chips. Clean and simple. Within 50 minutes. And back to… Grrzsssmmah. The normal life, presently new normal. Presented by the BBC. And such. Oh, doting on the recent past. Nostalgia…

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I would argue against techno being influenced by minimalism; i think it was just a natural outgrowth of disco and electro pioneered by Detroit DJs whom I somehow doubt were deep into experimental classical music. Good doco though

I've always loved that phase of experimental music where we discovered we could use computers to make music and just made a whole lot of archaic nonesense.

As much as I enjoyed it, I couldn't but notice that all these happened in an era when the NATO states would pump a ridiculous amount of money into arts in their effort to show off to the Warsaw Pact States what they can achieve. After the dissolution of this Pact they would just import all the artists from the former Warsaw Pact states and invest there through private initiates. I am afraid that the West must trust its own kin again much better and not self censor what it can achieve!

Begins at 6:30

0:53 woahh can anyone tell me what this is? I recodnize it from madvillainy

Cage piece “4:33” with full orchestra instead of just piano makes the sound richer. But not much, still audience grunts and coughs are most of it since musicians try to restrain themselves.

Victor Lewis-Smith's in this, right?

Stockhausen, Maderna, Ramati, Berio, Moran all missing...

Anyone know the name of the John Cage piece on the prepared piano?

7:37

nice documentary, but i whish i could edit out the die-rolling part.

And Philip Glass, Terry Riley, Meredith Monk, or Pauline Oliveros aren't mentioned at all lol

I would say......just Play!

whats with the phone thing ? lol weird.... cool doc though

TikTok'ers making nonsense need to drop their phones and watch these older folks talking about... making nonsense... into the phone.

What's with the phone thing? Is this aimed at children?

Anyone know the dude at 0:30 ?

Apparently, this is what killed classical music to the point that groups like The Beatles started to be heralded as composers.

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BBC4 make some great shows

That pretentious use of the red phones gives the impression that no one is actually listening to the person speaking.

I love experimental and avant garde music and i appreciate the philosophical and ideological aspects of 4'33 but to actually have a symphony play it like cmon 😂 how are they all straight faced? And the fuckin dude in the crowd with his hand contemplatively on his chin is too good! id be trying so hard not to laugh (but it would be all part of the performance i guess, right?)

Cool Doc, but the phones and dice are completely ridiculous

Why does the audience think they have to sit in silence..lol, surely the whole point of the piece is to get you to listen to natural sounds.

dear the pronounce should be EEEE-jing 7:32

Telephone line (ELO)

Bad performance of 4’ 33” by the orchestra. Not one of them with their instruments up...

I guess because Its a doc on experimental music the director didn't want to take a normal approach buut this phone thing was. Such a bad idea

Talking to phones…strange

UHHHHHH, Ok, Interesting, Yeah, very interesting.Hmmmmmm.

Couldn’t watch this. The movement, this particular one, started well before the sixties, but if I were to watch a documentary about the sixties, I’d prefer-no require-it to be made in the sixties.

"The motivation for the sounds is more important than the final result." You don't say?

27:52 Titanic brought again to life???

as a musician myself, after watching this whole thing,… it kinda made me feel like somebody was showing me a ‘Penny’ and trying to Sell it to me, for a ‘Dollar’..

This was pretty bad. ALways a focus on anglosaxon music, omitting the GRM and the Köln studio, omitting the true pioneers of british avant garde electronics, such as the BBC radioworkshop, and more importantly Trevor Wishart...

interesting but there is nothing here that is relatable which is fundamental in art and especially music . . .

Let me see if I can get Harry Partch and The Residents on the phone ☎️ for you. Oh pardon me , I almost forgot that there is politics involved. NEVERMIND

What's up with the red phones? 😂

I wonder if any orchestra member has ever farted very loudly during "4.33 Minutes of Silence"....