Does this maybe explain why the Nets haven't looked that good with Kyrie? People want to chalk it up to chemistry, but what if it's just that Kyrie isn't quite transcendent enough to run this style of offense? I mean, he's a great player. But I don't think anyone would put him in the same tier as Harden, Giannis, LeBron, or Luka. Maybe you can only run a heliocentric offense if your sun has enough gravitational pull?

This is quite good. But unless I missed something, you left out Golden State. But I suppose that an argument can be made that the age of the super teams is over, but until a one star team wins a championship, GMs and the talking heads on TV are going to believe what they have always believed. That it takes 3 superstars to consistently win in the playoffs.

You said at the end that only the sixers and clippers don't have heliocentric systems but would you not say the Celtics are the same? Kembas usage rate is much lower than 50

Its because of the generational talents tho

Would you mind to define "playmaking". Also, when 3 out of your 5 players are "stars" then you have a good team not some guys saving the team. I always hated the "star" individualistic narrative constructed by the NBA and society at a larger scale. Thanks a lot for your videos.

realized that too

MANCHESTER UNITED F.C I doubt the international landscape will be the same by 2050 with the way things are going now. Some countries may not even exist anymore by then. And even if they still did, I doubt they will still be the same type of people. Nonetheless I agree that football will be the #1 sport eventually.

@@penemuelwatcher2378 it won't be probably dying coz of corruption. BORING SPORT

Haha me too.

doktarr and the uncle drew

Analysis driven nfl discussion discord.gg/3AdWDgf

@@kevinhoang9074 thought it was Bill Russell

@MANCHESTER UNITED F.C Ok but did anyone ask

Wait for the championships then

actually its not a great time because now is the beginning of the Giannis era. But still fun to watch him.

@James Robert More like full of BS.

James Robert Luka is 20 years old. At 20, Harden was a much poorer Harden at Arizona State, and even now he’s not the passer or rebounder or defender that Luka is.

James Robert trae young is def not better and you can’t really compare them they play different positions

no player hits there full potential straight out of college luka has a lot of growth idk wth you’re talking about man

Just dont show this to bronsexuals 😳

@Lord Beerus harden and Mike D would be wise to use the regular season to create a team offense instead of having everyone stand around and wait for harden to decide if he is going to shot or pass and just stand at half court. They have a quality team but the pieces are not being used and the more time passes the more it feels like harden is like Westbrook who can do all he wants regardless of the benefit for the team but if they get shipped to another team will not have the same freedom.

Lord Beerus Hardens top 10 though.

Yeah I don’t think the rockets will ever be that good as long as harden is doing this much of the shooting. He can get double teamed, and he’ll get tired and it will be more difficult to get results. It looks real good on the stat sheet but in reality it’s not the best way to win

What was the year that Curry did that?

You're not alone. Two minutes later, I was like, "OH, Suns!"

hahahaha. that got me.thinking too.

I thought it was just me. I was like “I don’t remember that Phoenix team being nicknamed ‘D’Antoni’s Sons”😂

You've never heard of Mike, Dan, and Tony?

@dhsilv2 I think fg% drop is one of the strongest stats out there for defense, you have just to take into account the efficiency drop of elite players, and a big sample size is required to eliminate anomalies.

@dhsilv2 Do you think there's a way to factor in shot locations compared to the defender? For example, do teams take more shots outside the paint when Gobert is standing in it? Do teams tend to shoot from the wing opposite Kawhi? Etc.

@dhsilv2 that's a good point, but I'll argue fg% drop has its value even here, cuz if it dropped to much then of course no one would like to attack you.

@dhsilv2 I prefer to lower the fg% of my opponent than to prevent him from even attacking me, cuz that's good for them they still have the ball, while in the first case ill show them that they can take the shot, but it would be a difficult one, that's why I said you need a huge sample size, it eliminates the effect of the anomalies you discribed.

I feel like blocks, steals pick and roll swaps and rebounds could be your best bet.

Loki Hve You have a good point. To refute it I shall put forth effort too. We all can agree that the NBA champion is always one of the best teams in the NBA. That’s the same with all sports, the best team wins. During the regular season, let’s say for example the Rockets, don’t only play playoff teams. They also play bad teams. Bad teams normally don’t have great coaching or may not have great players and with less talent and worse schemes, it makes Hardens offensive load more possible. I’ll prove that with this scenario, let’s say the Rockets are playing the Heat in the finals. The heat have many different playmakers as well as good defenders and a smart coach in Spoelstra. The Heat are doing everything they can to win the game, that is drawing up any possible scheme to limit the Rockets best player’s abilities (James Harden). In the regular season, teams don’t have the time to prepare and they also aren’t only preparing for one series. This will cause Hardens load to drop, other less talented players will try to pick up slack and efficiency will fall resulting in more losses. So the argument of let’s see how the seeds end up does not matter, because regular season is different than postseason. Teams with players above a 55% load have not one because of this exact reason. They are suppressed in the playoffs due to better talent and coaching which results in exponentially less efficiency and means losses. All the matters after a season is finished is the champ, and whatever Harden does against my very bad pistons, won’t matter. By the way I love James Harden but in life there’s always only one most efficient solution. I don’t know if he can do it trying to carry the Rockets like he is.

hmm what playoffs

@@noob.168 :(

@@skyedogg :D

basketball is pretty hard to ref 😂

well yeah if you think about it. 31 points and 10.4 assists on 42.5% volume shooting and 5+ turnovers while averging ONLY 34 minutes per game.

@@shyshka_ houston is proud to have #44...clutch city!!!

Monumental achievement and unhealthy at the same time.

@Rodzilla lol what about last year with a healthy CP3 and no KD and Steph with 0 points at half

@@Geassmaster55 😂😂😂 true story. If they diversified their offense even slightly, they would have beaten them. D'antonio's inability to make adjustments kill his teams.. oh well.

No team would ask him to do that since he's such a bad 3 point shooter.

I was at a Spurs-Suns playoff elimination game. The game was tied, Spurs we’re losing momentum late as they would do in those days. Barkley dribbled the ball down the court, and held up at the three point line guarded by David Robinson. Charles knew he had nothing to lose as he taunted Robinson to come up on him closer. David knew that Barkley could blow by him and so he took the chance like you said. With the clock winding down, Robinson bit and got up on him, Barkley hesitated a drive, backed up and hit the three. Dagger. Great game but for a Spurs fan that was a tough loss.

I'd stand on the line and take 0 shots a game for an NBA contract. Just getting paid to travel basically.

Conradk65 lmao cool story but that’s one game, he’d still never be asked to stand by the three point line

@@thedarkfrost2351 Ha yea it wasn't a three pointer - just found the game - it was a two, but he made at least 2 three pointers that game. But yea - the round mound of rebound was his specialty... :D kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ial1i7GLprjOfYk.html

Easily.

Totally agree. BballBreakdown is too annoying/pretentious (that's just one reason).

Thinking Basketball > any basketball related content.

Thinking Basketball is the Michael Jordan of NBA analysts

true in recent years

They had different rules back then and less offensive freedom. They still had moves. Look at Wilt, Frazier, Pistol Pete, Big O, Jerry West, etc.

Idk bro that play at 1:49 never happened in no PE game I ever seen

I agree,basketball PE class in the 80's very similar to the 1955

Yup. I have a feeling Philly going to win the chip this year.

Didn’t the Lebron James cavs Win a championship

James Esch Duran my point is heliocentric more often works in regular season but not so much in the playoffs thus win more mvps but less championship

James Esch Duran heliocentric style the top guy needs to play make and scoring right , which means all eggs in one basket. It’s easier to defend in 7 game series. It’s also easier to construct your team because it can work when you have a superstar and four role players. This is the product of point forward and star having more control so the coach have to cater to their way of playing. Which contributes to more triple double stats .

James Esch Duran it’s easier to key on one player in the playoffs because close outs are better defensive pressure are much tougher so the spacing you are talking about gets tighter, it’s just easier to defend . There’s reason why most heliocentric star stats deminish in the playoffs. Playoffs and regular are different games that’s why I said they win more MVP but less chips

I don't think I've encountered better. But Laker Film Room is really good too.

Except for Lebron, Curry and Jordan it worked in the postseason as well

Having 2 of the best 3 point shooters of all time and the second best player in the league would do that to you. Don't know how that's impressive though

@@oluwaseyijohnson3162More like 2 of the Top 5 players on 1 team, that was insane. That too the best shooter amd the best offensive player, they were unstoppable.

@@oluwaseyijohnson3162 They developed them, you guys just seeing the result, other teams will not develop Klay and Curry the way they are now you just can't admit that, cause you are a typical person who only see the result of success and will say "that's too easy", yeah you are that type of guy and sets you as a big example of it. 🥶

@@BullyMaguire387 They signed ONE GUY. Everyone else was basically homegrown talent.

You know, it's funny ... I used to see you commenting a lot on FZ videos, and now I see you commenting a lot on NBA videos, and I'm pretty sure I've seen you comment on other things I've watched. Are you my long lost twin with my exact same interests or are you just youtube-ubiquitous?

@@billmilligan7272 the three point line is a load of bull

Bill Milligan it happens to me too, I think KZfaq is targeting you guys with the same algorithm

Frankincensed it’s called the 4 out offense

No different than teams like the 90's Rockets dumping it to Olajuwon and waiting to see would teams double before scoring or kicking it out to shooters. Just an inverse.

A form of sustainable heliocentric type of team needs a second star to pick up the slack and be that star which the rest of the team orbits. For example the Mavs have Porzingis, the Lakers AD

Youre only saying this because of Houston. What you mean to say is that this formula isnt able to beat the best team ever ina healthy Golden State, along with EVERY other system as well.

YeetGod McNeckAss Replace James Harden with Michael Jordan, and the Rockets win two back to back champions.

I mean to win chips, you need balance. You need multiple players who can play at a high level who can be versatile scoring threats and can play both ends of the floor. Lebron was a one man wrecking crew for the Cavs in his first run but the quality of his teammates was not on that level to be able to win a chip. Take him to South Beach with Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh and a bunch of shooters/solid role players and lo and behold two chips in 4 finals appearances.

dunno. People had once said 3-point shooting doesn't win championships.

@@NikoBellic20080 So youve now concluded Jordan is better than Harden.. Wow bud.. Youve really come upon a realization with that. Jesus christ lmao

Lebron led the GOAT postseason offense in 2017, with that player centric model, so idk about that one.

we have seen many more teams/systems fail to win despite having a more balanced load we don't have enough data

Lebron's probably the only one who successfully done it and win, although he still had Kyrie who can do the same. There's a big difference with a spread type offense consisting of multiple playmakers like the Warriors or the Cavs had compared to having only 1 go to guy like the Bucks. In the Buck's case, once you shutdown Giannis like the Raptors did, they fall easily (same case with Harden's past Rockets teams).

@@JimmyKillem69 teams with coaches that have talent and hine thier systems has resulted in juggernaut teams like 2017 warriors and 2014 spurs. Those teams you could see were just so much better.

@@ubadman1 Pretty much. They were basketball's Brazil 1970.

That's the NBA missing blatant travel since 1955 then I swear we're going to find footage of George mikan getting away with travel any day now

laughed at that also haha

IMO Jokic doesn't fit in part because he's not as dominant offensively as Lebron, Doncic, Harden or Giannis. Lebron can do it all from the perimeter and the occasional back to basket moves. Doncic has displayed the best PnR mastery this year and dicing up opponents going to the hole. Harden of course is always a threat scoring inside. Both men absolutely exploit the step back 3-jumper in the best way possible. Giannis is transcendent transition scorer and nearly unstoppable coming downhill even in half court. It also happens he's working on a very consistent 3-ball jumper too. And all 4 guys have great court vision to make plays as Jokic does and at better positions on the court besides the top of the key, the elbow or the baseline.

@@t4d0W Jokic can be a monster in offense too with his post move , the fact is Jokic inspired his game from Boris Diaw, Nash, Kidd or Duncan, that's mean no flashy play, no stat padding, he really don't care about the stats but more about the team winning, look at his last playoffs when he went he is an absolute monster

dre facts

That’s not why the raptors won lol. The raptors won because their superstar Kawhi Leonard can shoot so he could take his time and picks his spots offensively. Giannis on the other hand can’t shoot so he has to force shots at the rim over contested big men. Kris Middleton is better than Kyle Lowry.

The % is how much of the load is from planning I think

Its percent of total load that is playmaking load. So if a player has (for example) 10 load, and that number is 20 for him, that means he has 8% shooting load and 2% playmaking load.

He just put the 18% in the wrong spot, the heights are accurate.

Jamaal Lewis but the green bar for MJ doesn’t show 18%. It’s somewhere below 10% if I’m reading it right

The graph is a mess

@@badLuckRiley 18% was to show how much of Jordan's load was from playmaking and was not that saying that his playmaking load was 18% of his team's offense.

Kyrie is MVP caliber for his talent, he just has the mentality of me score first make plays for teammates later. love the dude but that's what it is

Trey Young is really good and with better role players would succeed. Kyrie on the other hand is just overrated because his mentality and decisionmaking is pretty bad. Boston and nets are showcasing exactly that where the team is just better without him

Kyrie was always the Little Brother that he doesn't want to be Better as a lil brother to LeBron and will be when KD returns

@@WinterFrostx hopefully, the best thing KD will do for Kyrie's game is make him a more willing passer and get the ball out of his hands. he has to trust others more

@@b1bbscraz3y Kyrie can't be your main scorer/ballhandler History has shown

That’s more so about a faster pace. More possession means more opportunities to rack up assist. Also, being surround by more shooters makes big men more willing to pass as opposed to previous eras when there were less shooters.

@@NikoBellic20080 You aren't wrong, but there is a lot of big men that don't rack up assists and they play in a fast paced offense, because they are the last option, the lob option or dump off. Big men who get the ball thrown into the post and they are the start or middle of an offensive possession have a chance to pass out, but centers that have no skills don't get passed to unless they are wide open, so being able to post up has a lot to do with it, and they draw double teams, because of their skill in 1v1 post situations, and that's how people on the outside get so open.

@@NikoBellic20080 how come big weren't like this in the 80s where the pace was even faster than today