That's one more reason why I like college sports better

That´s beacause american sport is made by big investors to make money. It is not about competition and local founded clubs. Moving a team away to another city is unthinkable in German sports here. Also the club members always have 51% share, so that investors cannot ruin the club and it´s taditions.

@@Hunters61 modern slavery is great

They tried to do this to the columbus crew a couple years ago. The fact that the league even attempted to do this has led me to boycott the league

Mangobonbon I was thinking about what would happen if let’s say, Dortmund decided to move. Like can you imagine the scenes? I just don’t get how so many Americans can be okay with their team abandoning them.

Fewr and fewer masters.

But it'll be good for the local economy. All those poor people will have to go elsewhere.

Better than parking lots tho

It's interesting to see the contrast between FedEx Field and the areas around Nationals Park and Capital One Arena. I would say the Gallery Place renewal has been a huge success. The Navy Yard, TBD.

The Redskins are basically a team without a host. Dan Snyder is the reason the Redskins are not profitable. Plus, FedEx Field is in the the middle of east bumfuck no man's land. When their previous owner was in possession, he should have rebuilt RFK Stadium or built a new one on that lot. Such a waste in the past 20 years.

Do you mean 5 minutes by foot? 🍄

Raljon MD ?

@@marshallr4797 Raljon was the name of the previous owner Jack Kent Cooke's two children. It's really just Landover

Yeah, you can't make a free market argument for it, the argument must be framed as an exceptional circumstance justifying the use of taxpayer money. You also can't make a direct free market argument for giving money to businesses owner by women or ethnic minorities as old mate suggests for some reason.

This makes my blood boil

JoaoG R worst? or even worse?

@@Lachlan100 if women & minorities donate their money freely or use it to buy the team's merchandises, it's the Free Market working

yeah... how is that the free market

It's a nice ass mall!! I went to Bush Theatre nearby (soooo good!) and that whole area is super lively

Yet the West Ham fans HATE it.

@@jaypea99 Right, now West Ham plays in a 3/4 empty stadium, miles away from the pitch, that has robbed the club of any chance of developing a culture in the new grounds.

Westfield Stratford is the best shopping mall in whole Europe not the least Westfield London is at the same level... and the Olympic park is very nice during spring summer time a really nice lively area to not miss

Not to mention Wembley on the other side of London!

Death Grips should work on their branding for sure

San Francisco or Los Angeles should be the capital

Eli Wesley Capitols are usually historic cities in the state, not the most pretty. Sactown has tons of history behind it

@@AndrewL209 Sactown?

tea is good Sactown is Sacramento’s nickname

Vancouver is an interesting case. Rogers Arena opened in the mid-90's (and BC Place in 1983 - the two are basically beside each other), before the whole arena district concept took off. Vancouver does not have a major highway connected to downtown, so we've always been more of a public transit focussed city than other big cities.

They're also completely redeveloping the region surrounding it to be an entertainment district!

Our city was always the outlier from doing things from the typical North American city. The old Pacific Coliseum Arena use to be in East Van in the suburbs which is still great for WHL games, concerts, smaller events etc. There's only so much undeveloped land you can build since everything is crammed into our landlocked area so in retrospect, the football and hockey stadium within walking distance to downtown and connection to skytrain was the only option unless it was built further east when the surrounding cities such as Burnaby and Surrey weren't as big as it is now. Ever been to the Abbotsford Centre to watch the former Abbotsford Heat or a concert? It sucked. Stupidly long drive on the highway just to go to a concert and back home. At least for Canucks/Whitecaps/Lions games, you can make a whole day/evening event out of which which benefits all local businesses but your pocketbook.

And now they are building condos all around the boring Rogers Arena.

Vancouver's downtown stadiums are unique as the area has grown organically around them without parking lots/parkades and serviced by rapid transit. Lots of residential/commercial/retail surrounding them and easily serviced by taxi as the area is densely populated.

The sports market here in the US and Canada is very aggressive and owners know it. If a team wants or needs a new stadium they force that community to pay for it or they will move to another city because there are only so many teams in the 5 major sports leagues in the US and plenty of cities ready to pay for a stadium to bring in a team. Its gross and more people should really care about it but its a super touchy subject try telling someone who has been following a team for a life time the team is moving to save money they wont really care how much it costs they will ask the local government do anything to stop them from leaving.

Sports are more competitive and more lucrative in the United States

The last thing a city politician wants is to have a major sports team leave on their watch.

YEE HAWW MERICA

It also has benefits of attracting mass amount of tourists to watch the games, staying in hotels, shopping in nearby shops, and paying tax in that city/county's jurisdiction. The Gov backs on the fact that investing in this will bring more traffic and attention to the city. With over 10 cities having a population of 1million+ people, if cities dont provide any assistance, they will move to a city that does

and the new (semi)adjacent Chase Center. Both privately financed and turned a wasteland into thriving neighborhoods of China Basin and Mission Bay.

Go Giants! 🤘☝️✊

I agree. Though CityBeautiful denigrated the idea of the City paying for infrastructure improvements around new stadiums, I think it really depends on the area and what improvements were needed. When PacBell/SBC/AT&T/Oracle Park was built, San Francisco paid for the infrastructure improvements around the stadium. This was about $28 million on the city tab which included new sidewalks, repaved roads, new sewer/water lines, upgraded power facilities, etc. The area was an old warehouse district that was ripe for redevelopment so none of the infrastructure had been upgraded for 50-100 years, so they were all near the end of their useful life. They had to be upgraded anyway, so the City picked up the tab on this as a bargaining chip. Yet, some people STILL complained about using City funds for anything related to the stadium. I think the City spending $28 million instead of $360 million for the ballpark is fair deal. The Chase Center had the same type of deal - City will pay for infrastructure and the sports team pays for the arena. I estimate the City spent around $50 million for the infrastructure upgrades which included upgrading the traffic controls around the arena, new sewer and water lines, upgrading the roads and parks, and a new $33 million expanded Muni platform. I think the City spending $50 million instead of $1.4 BILLION for the arena is a pretty darn good deal. Of course, there will always be naysayers, but, hey...

it's because they want to drive a "stadiums bad" narrative

Yes if you can get redevelopment down to low 10s of millions it makes a lot more sense. How many are actually following that relatively low tax payer spending model? This is the first I've heard of being that low. Checking on wikipedia and they cite 80 million in infrastructure upgrades and 10 million in tax abatements. Still on the cheap end though. It was the first MLB park since Dodger stadium in the 60s to be with privately funded construction. The flip side is that deal being repeated wasn't on the table or wasn't good enough for the Santa Clara 49ers.

I think the LA Stadium is mostly privately funded, but yeah -- that's the biggest problem with the developments. Improve infrastructure and schools before helping out billionaires.

I think it's down to city leaders wanting to point to something impressive like a stadium and say "Look, I made that happen!" Helping the homeless doesn't 'look' impressive, like how they would rather build a new bridge than fill in potholes on a side street, the bigger and louder the better

From a humanitarian point of view absolutely, you're spot on however economics can't be ignored. Feeding homeless can be viewed as a drain on precious funds. You can't feed em once and send em on their way. You build a stadium, sure there's an initial cost up front however you have the upside of increased tax revenue forever. I can almost guarantee you these billionaires are pitching the city that this will pay for itself and more. With increased taxes now you can feed the homeless which is probably in their pitch too.

LA one is completely privately funded but most others yeah terrible idea.

SoFi Stadium is in Inglewood which is a separately incorporated city government. IIRC the City of LA turned the NFL down.

Renovation is cheaper but that can be seen by some as a bad thing. It means less construction "jobs" for businesses and unions. New stadiums seem to always get the look of a national event like final four or super bowl. Maybe if leagues weren't so hesitant to award a 5+ year old stadium a marquee event, that would reduce the pressure.

While I can't speak for all cases, there are some times when there are external pressures that contribute to a stadium closing rather than renovating. Case in point: The Hoosier Dome (later RCA Dome) in Indianapolis. One internal factor was that the stadium wasn't considered a particularly good one by the standards of the time, and so there was some pressure to replace it with a better stadium as renovating it might not have been enough. (If the stadium hadn't already gone, the collapse of the Metrodome roof later on might have put more pressure for a new stadium.) Further, Indianapolis wanted to host a Super Bowl, and couldn't because the RCA Dome didn't have enough seating capacity to do so. But there was one external factor that also contributed: The Indiana Convention Center, which extended into a section of the RCA Dome, needed to expand because it was hosting bigger and bigger events, especially the major gaming convention Gen Con. And the only convenient space for it to expand into was where the RCA Dome already was. So, there were a number of groups who had problems that could be solved by a new stadium, and in one case by a new stadium in a (slightly) different location. The end result? Lucas Oil Stadium was built a block and a half south of the RCA Dome, which was demolished when Lucas Oil Stadium was finished. The Convention Center got the land it needed to expand (which it did, very quickly), and that's more or less how things stand over 12 years later.

@@MarsJenkar At least they were responsible in reusing what they could . It was an overall win ,and Lucas oil is actually a great looking stadium compared to many being built today.

. . . apartments for whom?

@@allantow6371 Doesn't matter at this point...

Right now they are being used as parking for the excess rental cars that aren’t being used due to Coronavirus. Same thing with the parking lot at angel stadium in Anaheim.

It should but unfortunately the dodgers don’t own their parking lot. Their previous owner does and he’s a greedy asshole who try to use the team revenue for his divorce

Those parking lots should be converted into a race track.

I agree. I'm also glad the Chicago Fire is moving back to Chicago in Soldier Field.

@@narata1541 Great move for the Fire. Bridgeport is pretty hard to get too anyways. Maybe they will get more fans now. FC Dallas I mean FC Frisco should follow suit.

JD Redwine the building of the US Soccer Hall of Fame in Frisco sealed the fate for FC Dallas. They’ll be in Frisco for a longgg time.

What about the United center

*laughs in toronto*

Like masks and equipments for hospitals.

Sports that turnover many millions of dollars each year can finance the construction themselves. If you want to spend tax money on projects, you can finance sports and events that have difficulty in financing it themself.

Like public transportation

They should invest more in affordable housing and not of stupid sports teams

Like hospitals.

Kim Jong-un Beautiful stadium on the Taedong river, close to the TV tower, Kim Il Sung Mausoleum, and the Arc of Triumph.

Dear leader doesn't have to worry about offending people to build a stadium.

That's a nice hard-line stance to take, but unfortunately nothing would get done.

The only way to fix this problem is a new law from the Federal government putting a cap on how much money cities can pay for stadiums

Or citizens can just be better-informed and not vote in Corporate Socialists.

@@jnyerere well we love sports and this past month without them has been the longest month of my life

Wisconsin Sports Fan It’s almost like... it was a good investment? Hmmmm

Titletown was such a huge success, it's just a no-brainer. Of course, the parasite who owns the Brewers is 100% dead opposed to such levels of development and Miller Park will remain an island surrounded by more parking than you see at Magic Kingdom.

The Lexington Market renovation is supposedly good, though I haven't been yet. And RoFo Arena is getting rebuilt. That being said, I'd love to see more light rail or a renewed Red Line. Right now downtown Baltimore has a huge chance to become as beloved as Fed, Fells, and Canton. But we need to make it easier to get into the city without driving. A Baltimore with the mass transit of DC would be a dream.

100% this. I'm from the region but moved north a while ago. I love that I can still get to the stadium without driving if I want to. The light rail having easy access and the walkable blocks around the stadium make it feel very inviting and nice to be around.

@Labrador 67 Turner Field wasn't torn down, it was sold to Georgia State and it's their football stadium now.

SunTrust Park is a bit of both. Yes, it was built near suburbs, but instead of only paving a parking lot around the stadium, developers created The Battery district.

@Labrador 67 I'm aware of that, but most people probably aren't and only know the stadium as SunTrust Park.

@Labrador 67 that's just not true, it's still being used

The Braves and Rangers are poster child's for greedy owners. Both relatively new and modern stadiums that still wasn't good enough for them.

To top that off, many teams are not even located in the cities they lie about being in. For instance, the so called "New York Giants" football team plays in a city called East Rutherford, which is not even in New York State, let alone being in New York itself.

Like which teams? When teams move they always change their names to match the new location.

The Giants (and Jets) are still within the NYC Metropolitan area.

@@muhilan8540 Los Angeles Lakers. They started got that name when they were playing in Minneapolis, a city actually noted for its many lakes. In Minnesota, the "Land of 10,000 Lakes".

That's true. There's no better example of this than the Utah Jazz :)

cfellaris maybe he meant 500,000?

as a nyer no it isnt for some studios lol

IKR that UGLY face!!😂🤣

In most US cities, connecting the stadium to public transit (by which I'm sure you only mean rail) wouldn't do much good because very few of them have transit networks that go anywhere or have any big plans for expansion. It would be a lot of money to connect people to one or two places. They'd do it if the project is near the line, but aren't going to lay down a couple billion to connect it if the existing light rail is on the other side of town. It makes a lot more sense in a context like that, to just have some efficient roads and run buses which can get anywhere they need to. In a city that does have a significant transit network, they would ensure that connectivity to the arena is excellent. In Portland for example, the Rose Quarter gets a stop from the Red, Blue, Green, and Yellow MAX light rail lines, as well as the Streetcar and several bus lines. Their transit network is large (and *expensive*) so they want to make damn sure it goes to big points of interest like that.

Chris Gurney In Milwaukee the new Hop streetcar is supposed to cut right through the plaza I’m front of Fiserv Forum. I’m actually pretty excited for it to as it will add another dynamic to the Deer District.

The Sacramento railyards mentioned here also has an extension that goes right back to downtown but the light rail system we have doesn’t get much praise from anyone I know. Been on it about 3-4 times and just Uber now. Quicker, easier and no worries about running into screaming people with mental illness.

Mr Home Loans for a sprawling city like sac, light rail is actually pretty extensive. I’m biased tho cause I live right by a station

That's because they go underground

Good question.

For sports..... You can't play football in a casino.

The Golden Knights and Raiders exist

Sports Betting.

@@MagnesiumPC They do that right now

You should go more they're fun

Dylan Lance it only feels spread out if you live outside the loop in the suburbs

The city of Houston has the legal ability to annex land and now it includes 5 counties. Cities like Pittsburgh PA are not able to annex land so the city has confined boundaries and cannot receive the tax benefits of the numerous incorporated suburbs.

We kinda have the same thing in my city, but I've noticed a bleed over effect from the highly gentrified areas. The surrounding communities are also slowly improving due to the proximity of wealth.

Denver too, there have been success stories that this video conveniently didn't mention to push a narrative.

There have been success stories but far too many failures. Stadiums on their own do not bring revitalization their needs to be special circumstances in play as well

Do people use transit lines to go to Petco Park?

@@TheCelticboy21 yes the tram is right next to it. When I visited San Diego, that’s how I got there.

They're both over a hundred years old, too.

Those stadiums were not built to revitalize anything tho. They were placed where they are in a time when people still largely walked and that was likely the edge of the respective cities

Mangobonbon. I wish MLS would have promotion and relegation but with the league being so new the owners want the stability of never having to drop a division and loss money from a TV deal. I guarantee that every large club in Europe would love to get rid of pro/rel so they wouldn’t have to worry about dropping down and losing tv revenue but hopefully that never happens. Especially Germany, they have the best football in the world.

@@jaimevelazquez765 Yes. I think the big difference between these leagues is their history. European football started as an after work sport for normal peoples. The competition was the joy for players and viewers and promotion/relegation was the stakes at risk. MLS and other big US-sports are set up as entertainment shows, without risk of losing money. but if the MLS ever wants to be a top league, they need to add promotion and relegation or the teams will stay mediocre. The big talents go to the competetive leagues with the most clubs and fans.

Mangobonbon As an American, I would love to see pro/rel implemented eventually so we can actually begin to grow MLS like it should be growing. However, sporting culture over here is all profit driven for entertainment purposes like you were saying and to even get club owners to agree on a pro/rel system since it has never been used is going to be nearly impossible. As much as I would personally love to see MLS become more than just a well known mediocre retirement league for Europe’s elite to collect a final paycheck, I don’t think it’s ever going to be competitive with Europe or even Central/South America. It will always be a secondary sport in the States behind American football, basketball, baseball, and even ice hockey.

The US has the example of the Green Bay Packers, which owned by shareholders who primarily live in and around Green Bay. They can't leave their fans; their fans own them. Unfortunately, that's pretty much the only US example.

Promotion and relegation can also help to kill teams.

I like MetLife for my jets better, west side wouldn't have had tailgates!

and it has drawn recent controversy for all of the shiny new drawings of a district surrounding the stadium, turning out to be nothing more than a bunch of parking lots.

yeah, I’m kind of bummed he put it in the thumbnail but didn’t mention it, because I think it’s a very good example if this.

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...From the players? That makes no sense.

@@NonsenseFabricator Income tax.

​@@James-vj5hz You're not getting $200,000,000 in state income taxes from the Milwaukee Bucks over the stadium's useful life.

you do know queens county is part of nyc, and there was already plans to replace shea stadium before there was a olympic bid. why shouldnt the city show more loyalty to a team that stay more loyal to it then to a team that bounce on them years ago and now wants over a billion dollars for stadium for them. the city end up spending less then half on a baseball stadium while keeping its team.atleast with a baseball stadium you get more action with 81 games plus concerts and now soccer compare to just 8 games and just a few other events

The plan was to build a football stadium in Hudson yards, to try and lure one of the football teams in NJ back to NY not baseball stadium. The Mets wanted to stay in their spot in Queens and put their new baseball stadium there because of the numerous road and mass transit connections. Robert Moses got that location right.

The West Side Stadium was entirely dependant on if NYC hosted the 2012 Olympics. Once that was not happening, they built a baseball stadium for the Mets right next to their old Shea Stadium in Queens, which is still apart of NYC anyway brainlet

@@brenislanders citi field was going to be bult regardless for the mets everyone knew shea needed to be replace

Patrick lookin ass

Wembley and Stratford more than Arsenal I'd say (even though I am a fellow arsenal fan)

Greg Lemieux if it was a waste then the city wouldn’t pay for it.

Ik just build parking garages

REDSKINS

Funny thing is that is the name now 😂

City Beautiful: Poor people are people and deserve a place to live

Britton Thompson Agree with you. It’s not too difficult to see where he stands on the issue... lol