Bravo! Regards, LadyToldinStone

i think mithraisim a branch of unorthodox zoroastrian religions was growing fast

Ave Sol Invictus

light fire sun is one of the important holy pilars of aryan zoroastrian religion

Praise the sun

I was wondering if it was the same Mithra! Makes sense as the romans traded far enough to reach hinduist regions and bring back their beliefs.

No, it's because of the iranian god mithra ​@BaalFridge

​@@BaalFridge I don't think that's the case......these gods were worshipped in central anatolia once ....they found some archeological digs for the god I can't recall much but I read it a long time ago So romans probably adapted that

But Iran is even closer to India, how does that preclude them being connected?

​@@BaalFridge nah! It could be the other way as the Romans and Indians had old trade culture .. The Babylonians are not different

They weren't exclusive in terms requiring one to reject the worship of other gods, but they were competition for the time, money, and passion of worshippers. Those who venerated Mithras did so with all those things that they weren't devoting to any other cults or temple establishments. Obviously, they would still make an offering to Neptune to before a sea voyage or something, but they were putting a lot of personal resources into one particular patron deity.

@@TacticusPrime Most temples of Mithras have altars and shrines to other gods as well so no, they weren't neglecting the other deities.

@@aedesaegypti3129 What are you talking about? Catholics have shrines to saints in their churches. So what? Going to a particular place to primarily focus your religious life is the point. You couldn't be both an Isis cultist and a Mithras cultist. Not that you couldn't respect Isis or whichever Roman deity you conflated her with, but that there wasn't enough time in the day.

@@TacticusPrime Again, mystery cults were not exclusive. And there are multiple examples of people who were members of multiple mystery cults simultaneously.

@@aedesaegypti3129 OK, name them.

One of my favorite channels commenting on another one of my favorite channels, interesting times 🤘🤘🤘

@@rodionromanovich449 I've always asserted the internet is in reality 4 men and a goat and nothing about my time online has made me waver in that assessment

yo do you kno why it's called gnosis? gnomon are sun dials yeah and you use them to guage relations that are deeply connected like shadows. well then you start to say what is the shadow of form itself not just as light reflects and you see 4d shapes and so on. this also reveals true definitions of words like god as humanity across 4d and as reflected in the universe itself let alone our experience. etc.

i think mithraisim a branch of unorthodox zoroastrian religions was growing fast

"On the Rise" nice

Stoicism and cynicism are philosophies and not necessarily competing with Christianity as, for example, stoicism and neoplatonism have and can be reconciled with the Faith.

@@RuthvenMurgatroyd Thats debateable, the classic stoics appealed to pagan Gods. Their idea of virtue functions completely different than Christian Virtue.

Why u spoil??

What about Apollonius of Tyana?

The cult of Artemis Ephesia too.

Let us not forget Priapism.......

@@billlynn8256what

He wasn't the lover of Hadrian, he just got an elaborate mourning.

@@H0mework an elaborate mounting, n'est-ce pas ?

Or apollonius of tyana

The 'lover'-part is contested, that his cult was significant is not.

Me too, first one I thought of.

Pfff....hahaha A prize cow for you......good sir 🐮

current state of the internet always makes me wish i was an anthropologist

Jesus was not born in December by the way

@@francescofilippi2824John the Baptist was conceived in September, so he would have been born in June. He’s six months older than Jesus. Six months from June is December. Jesus was born in December.

@CybermanKing no he wasn’t

@@jool5941 In Luke’s Gospel, Zechariah is serving in the Temple offering incense at the end of Yom Kippur when the angel Gabriel visited him, telling him his wife will bear a son. 9 months from that is the nativity of John the Baptist. Six months from that is December 24. Christmas Day is the day Jesus was born.

@@francescofilippi2824 When was he born?

The Sunday ekklesia remained the minority until well into the 4th century.

Many Romans thought that eclipses were bad omens

all paths lead to ohio

We had the totality in my state - not Ohio -- as well. It was a stunning experience. No wonder our ancestors freaked out about it.

Kevin is a stand-up guy, I've gotten quite a few coins from him and he's always pleasant and helpful. I will note however that his most recent lots of Greek and Roman semi-cleaned coins were initially listed as being all false desert patina and now have been updated to suggest only some of them are, so if you don't yet have a good eye for that sort of thing stick with stuff from the western provinces or the Balkans that aren't subject to that kind of commercial modification. It was probably an oversight but new numismatists should be aware of what they could potentially be getting.

I got the 667th like in 😈

How art thou? Thou lobby bottle of cheap stinking chip oil.

Smashethed.

Pretty annoying, not to mention illiterate.

@@maxsonthonax1020I'm sorry to hear you're illiterate. You can always pursue high school equivalency degrees or some other form of remedial education.

Pretty close, as I understand it. It was very popular with the Roman soldiers, wasn't it?

I doubt you could get more than one ancient coin for less than $16, even uncleaned $16 for one seems like a steal.

His semi-cleaned and un-cleaned are sold as singles, so it'd be $16 per coin. I'd spend a little more and stick with his cleaned & attributed stuff though, until you've got a good eye for things numismatic-wise.

@@theeccentrictripper3863 & ​ @dodiswatchbobobo thanks for the comments. yeah, I havent been in the hobby in some years. I remember when buying a few uncleaned coins were right around that price point, but that was like a decade ago :P

@@gamingchinchilla7323 I'm newer than some but I really hit the ground running and I'm pretty into it now, there's something magical as hell about holding something from 2000+ years ago, and the magic doubles when you clean a coin, it's like indirectly shaking hands with the last person to touch its bare surface.

This belies a Christian-centric worldview that had not yet come into being, and would not be fully ushered in until after Constantine's death. It's okay to have been influenced by paganism, you won, take the W and stop trying to rip the bones right out of your religion.

Lord's Day is Sabbath which is Saturday. In latin Sunday was called "dies Solis", later as they adopted christianity they replaced the name with "dies Dominicus".

@Keskitalo1 , Yes, the seventh day was the sabbath. The Bible never calls the first day of the week the sabbath. The only thing in the Church Age referred to as the sabbath is Jesus Christ. Hebrews tells us that *He* is our only sabbath rest. The first day of the week simply became the accustomed day for meeting to celebrate Christ's saving work for us because He rose on that day. The Bible never uses the New Testament term "the Lord's Day" to refer to the sabbath/seventh day. If the Bible is talking about the sabbath, it just says "sabbath." The earliest days of the Church saw believers meeting every day, but this quickly changed to an emphasis on the first day. (Acts 20:7 and 1 Cor. 16:2) And it was well after this change that John writes in The Revelation that the vision came to him on "The Lord's Day." If he had meant "on the sabbath," that's what he would have said. The Lord's Day was a distinct concept from the sabbath. Also, Paul instructed believers not to be concerned with such things as feast days, new moon rituals, *and sabbaths* (Col. 2:16) The New Covenant Church did not keep to the sabbath (especially the gentile contingent, which the vast majority of us are and who are freed from such things as sabbath observance by the decree of the Apostles in the Jerusalem Council as depicted in Acts). They *did* meet on the first day of the week, but not as a sabbath rest (which we have the fulfillment of in Christ), but as a celebration. The first day of the week was referred to as The Lord's Day by Christians long before the Roman Empire adopted Christianity. The Romanization of Christianity did impose several accretions onto the faith that would require a Reformation to pry back off, but neither Constantine nor Justinian *invented* Christianity, nor did they invent calling the first day of the week The Lord's Day.

​@@jameswoodard4304In our church teachings (btw i am orthodox christian) Lord died on cross on friday that's why we call it Veliki petak (the great friday), next day is saturday/subota/šabat so it's called Velika Subota (the great saturday/šabat), and with old testament šabat was that seventh day for resting but Lord came to fulfill old testament so now new day for resting is sunday, so on sunday Lord arise from grave and that day we call Vaskrs, Uskrs (and today is that day in our Orthodox church) so from that day we don't celebrate sabbat as day of rest, now it's sunday, and in our tradition we don't connect it with any sun diety or any other sun shit, because in our language name for sunday is nedelja (day on what something cannot be separated) and what can't be separated is Holy Trinity (God Father, God son (Lord) and Holy spirit (the one you catholics do not believe exist) so i hope i cleared things a bit.

@miloscarapic4502 , 1) I am not a Roman Catholic. I am a Baptist. 2) All Chritians, east and west, believe in the Holy Spirit. Why in the world do you think Catholics don't believe the Holy Spirit exists?! 3) Your tradition is as much descended from the church of Constantine as is the Roman Catholic. All of the Eastern Orthodox communions are descended from the Byzantine culture and religion of Constantinople, founded and ruled by the first Christian Roman Emperor Constantine. The scriptures and liturgies then had to be translated from the Greek and Latin that Constantine spoke into your Slavic language. My point is that the history I am talking about is shared by all Christian traditions whose history traces back through Constantine, which includes both yours and mine. 4) Western, including English-speaking, Christians don't connect the first day of the week or the celebration of the Resurrection with "any sun sh!t" either. We just never changed the pagan *name* of the day of the week and the time of year. Most non-English-speaking western Christians use more Christian names for both. Resurrection Sunday is often referred to by words based on Pesach, the Jewish festival of Passover which Christ's death and resurrection fulfilled and replaced. In Spanish, for example, the seventh day of the week is called Sabado (Sabbath) and the first is called Domingo (the Lord's). The pre-Christian tradition of your culture was just as pagan as mine or any in the west. Some cultures kept older names for things while forgetting their pagan meanings and dedicating them to Christ, while others gave them new names. One is not inherently better than the other.

HOLD ON A SECOND WAIT W H A T

Let a man edge in peace

Exactly what you think he's doing.

Touching his willy

He's clearly pissing on a small overactive dog out of spite, if you've never owned one maybe you wouldn't understand. He's probably thinking "this little shit is gonna get crushed by a bull's hoof and I am entirely over it already..."

If you like religion origin/development videos from the perspective/interpretation of an obvious atheist/secular skeptic reaching for things to deconstruct maybe.

​​@@archieames1968 excuse me are you able to clarify. Are you saying Justin Sledge from the esoterica channel is an atheist/skeptic?

@@archieames1968 While I don't believe that Dr. Justin Sledge is the most pious and Orthodox Jew to ever live, I find it hard to believe that someone who is a partner to a rabbi and wears a yamaka almost all the time to be a hardcore atheist. I don't think a dyed-in-the-wool atheist could be bothered to do a doctorate in his field without losing their minds.

@@EbonySaintsiirc he is reconstructionist which are basically at least for a significant portion if not majority, atheists/antitheist/secular with yalmukes.Also there is believe it or not an admittedly small faction of atheists and even antitheists that subscribe or at least appear to subscribe to the reverse of conventional wisdom and value the pageantry and trappings of religion over its substance. They usually are found in sects like the unitarians among the christian derived branches. If you're asking what the point is, masking atheism or even in some cases virulent antitheism with religious terminology and ritual.I personally agree there doesn't seem to be any but a few people seem to enjoy the exercise.

@@EbonySaintsHe is though. There’s a video where he says so. There are atheist rabbis. They find value in the teachings and traditions of the religion even though they don’t believe the god of the religion literally exists. Jordan Peterson has essentially the same relationship with Christianity that Sledge does with Judaism.

It’s only been 2 minutes

I went as well, and left an offering.

The martyrs at the catacombs Christian religious assembly at the funeral of the first Christians in Rome. Painting by Jules Lenepveu

The martyrs at the catacombs Christian religious assembly at the funeral of the first Christians in Rome. Painting by Jules Lenepveu

TWINK CULT?! Now I gotta look it up. Sounds like my kind of religion.👀

WHAT DA HELLLLL

Antinous' cult. It actually took off and got very popular. It was another rival cult against Christianity.

Side-eyes funny black stone in the Kaaba

There may be a connection with the Kaaba as a lot of Islam was codified and elaborated by the Ummayad dynasty who put an end to a long series of inter -Islamic wars known as the Fitna wars. The Ummayad capital was in Damascus in Syria not very far from the city of Emesa or Homs where the emperor Heliogabalus' ancestors came from. In Emesa the black stone was worshiped with rituals similar to those in the Mecca Kaaba. There are even coins of this holy black stone. Just google "Images" - the black stone of Emesa and you will get pictures of this black holy rock.@@theeccentrictripper3863

@@theeccentrictripper3863 I searched on the internet and found an article published in a journal published by the Royal Astronomical Society of Canada. Here is the relevant quote [Tne stone] was probably smashed to pieces when the temple was converted into a Christian church, some time in the 4th century. The site, now occupied by a mosque, has never been excavated. All that remains of the mysteri- ous black stone are ancient texts and a collection of iconographic documents, mostly coins.

@@professorsogol5824 My comment was a tongue-in-cheek joke but that's quite fascinating, learning stuff every day. It doesn't surprise me that was its eventual fate though

I understand what you're saying but that is a common articulation that is technically not correct. The early Church did not move the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. Instead “The Sabbath, which represented the completion of the first creation, has been replaced by Sunday, which recalls the new creation inaugurated by the Resurrection of Christ” (CCC 2190). Sunday is the day Catholics are bound to keep, not Saturday.

Only one gospel says Jesus hung around for 40 days. Paul only saw Jesus in a vision not in real life.

Sol is a nice cerveza.

Hail Mithra

Hail Christ the king

It does pre exist Constantine. This can be seen from early church patristic writings as well as the bible itself.

Helios on the chariot. Allegory with the coats of arms of Trąby (Woyna) and Nałęcz (Górski) Wikimedia doesn't attribute the artist, they're anonymous I suppose

@@theeccentrictripper3863 thank you sir

BLOOD CREEPIN WHILE YOU'RE SLEEPIN STEADY CREEPIN BLOOD CREEPIN

everything on this planet has lived & died under the sun and moon

Deeply appreciated!

i think mithraisim a branch of unorthodox zoroastrian religions was growing fast and influnced abrahamic religion thought heavily

Thanks for your service, the Unconquered Sun applauds your valor

Of course it was.

They don't generally, if you find a guy upcharging on uncleaned coins on the off-chance you might get some silver run for the hills, it's a scam. The cheapest I've gotten stuff that still looked alright, having already been cleaned, is around $20-30, and uncleaned lots can go for as little as $5-10 a coin at times.

i think mithraisim a branch of unorthodox zoroastrian religions was growing fast

It's exactly the opposite. Judaism did not appeal to Gentiles. Too many food rules, circumcision, needing to only marry in the faith, conversion. Christianity appealed to the oppressed and those in dire circumstances. Which is why Christianity did not dominate when the Roman empire was still in good shape. Things were good, people were happy, things were peaceful, why did they need any savior god? Then things went south for the Romans in the 4-5th centuries. Then Christianity starts to take hold, however, and this is a big however, people were still worshipping their pagan gods. Christians finally had to outlaw the other faiths - close academies, temple, shrines, destroy writings, commandeer holidays to stop people from worshipping their old gods. Islam took the same route.

Just ignore the lines that come through my message - I just don't know how that happens!

@@kaloarepo288well said. Thank you. A tree is known by its fruit. The strikethrough occurs when a dash “-“ is placed before and after a string of words, so two dashes can inadvertently trigger them.

Are you saying compassion didn't exist before Christianity? Uh, don't think so. Nativity story is ridiculous on at least 3 levels. Mary wasn't a woman, she was at most 13-15 the age at which most girls got married in early Hebrew society. She was in no mature mental state to make any kind of important 'choice'. She was still a child. NO administrator in his right mind would make people go back to the place of their ancestors for a census. You do know WHY census' are held, right? And NO ONE would put a nearly full term pregnant woman on a donkey to take a road trip.

There is so little certainty on Mithraism to start with, I wouldn't look to a 20th century theosophist to give a proper historical accounting of it. He's fun to read but he's not exactly a stellar scholar, he's got his own Evolean game.

@@theeccentrictripper3863 Naturally, that goes for a lot of his work except I think the books on Hermeticism are very good. It was just a good read I was really into Mithraism at the time and information was incredibly scant. From my knowledge is seemed to borrow much from the even older mystery cults of antiquity.

@@Teutius That's the impression a lot of people get, it's a mystery cult with possible eastern influences and I think there's evidence for a slow build-up of this tradition as far back as Vespasian's troops turning to cheer the sun at the Second Battle of Bedriacum, but because it's not actually a religion attempting to compete with other religions for total domination over civilization a la Christianity it didn't leave much to really sink our teeth into materially. It will always be a fascinating topic though, and the Earth still hides secrets, we may yet find more information or evidence to substantiate theories on their beliefs and practices.

evola is overrated and usually talks out of his ass lol. maybe dumezil or eliade.

lol no.

@@wauliepalnuts6134This is the sort of response I thought I would get in opposition, free of anything of merit or substance.

I have to disagree with you. As Orthodox Christians, we firmly believe that Orthodoxy is the inheritor of 2nd Temple Judaism, but no one said we are the inheritor of the title "God's Chosen People", nor is there any substantial evidence that Dionysus and Jesus are even remotely related, which has been debunked by Inspiring Philosophy, other apologists, and anyone willing to look at what evidence is really being presented. It is likely all of the claims they made are made up and are not definitive, and the fact that was taught at your grad school is very deceptive, irresponsible, and intellectually dishonest with whoever your teacher was, seeing as these claims are questionable or faulty. These are the things people are taught but never actually look deeper into it themselves, it's taught in a lecture, therefore take it as 100% fact and it must be true. Don't get me wrong, Christianity IS influenced by other religions in the sense that specifically Roman Catholicism reflects the Roman architecture and Babylonian religions. After all, since the Great Schism and Protestant Reformation, Christianity has been significantly watered down and changed in Theology by many heretical sects. Still, Orthodoxy reflects only Judaism because it is the inheritor of 2nd Temple Judaism, Jesus being the superior Temple, Jesus being fulfilled in all of the prophets, and Jesus prophesying about the destruction of the Temple which did happen in history. Jesus Christ is different, the majority of historians and scholars, both atheists and theists, agree Jesus was a historical figure, whatever your teacher listened to by mystics strangely all seem to be the same and are either foraged and are not definitively true, or a part of it is somewhat similar and was taken out of context and pushed as narrative. So far, Jesus was a real historical figure who was really born and died by crucifixion in the 1st Century AD. A lot of evidence in history points to that, including the Shroud of Turin which many speculate to be the authentic burial Shroud of Jesus and has many anomalies that would prove the reliability and authenticity of the resurrection account in the gospels. There is no other person like Jesus despite the so-called claims that "every God and every religion is the same or influenced by other religions, including Christianity" by the mysticists. Despite not being proven 100% and the claim being totally ludicrous when we take into account the culture around AD 1st Century Judea and their sentiment towards the Romans, there are so many arguments against it. You know what's strange? There is no other historical figure that other religions will try to pervert, claim, or give credit to other than Jesus Himself because He is the way, the truth, and the life. He is exclusive, He said it Himself, and that's why the world is against Him. Islam, Hinduism, Zoroastrianism, Egyptian paganism, Roman paganism, Greek paganism, what have you, all these claims coming from people in their respective fields not holding any definite truth in them. "Jesus is Horus", has been debunked. "Jesus was a Muslim" has been debunked. "Jesus learned the teachings of Hinduism" has been debunked. "Jesus is an offshoot of Greek or Roman gods" has been debunked. "Jesus is actually referring to the Sun" has been debunked. Why do you think that is?

(This is my last attempt, if YT keeps deleting my comments I'm done, lol.) I have to disagree with you. As Orthodox Christians, we firmly believe that Orthodoxy is the inheritor of 2nd Temple Judaism, but no one said we are the inheritor of the title "God's Chosen People", nor is there any substantial evidence that Dionysus and Jesus are even remotely related, which has been debunked by Inspiring Philosophy, other apologists, and anyone willing to look at what evidence is really being presented. It is likely all of the claims they made are made up and are not definitive, and the fact that was taught at your grad school is very deceptive, irresponsible, and intellectually dishonest with whoever your teacher was, seeing as these claims are questionable or faulty. These are the things people are taught but never actually look deeper into it themselves, it's taught in a lecture, therefore take it as 100% fact and it must be true. Don't get me wrong, Christianity IS influenced by other religions in the sense that specifically Roman Catholicism reflects the Roman architecture and Babylonian religions. After all, since the Great Schism and Protestant Reformation, Christianity has been significantly watered down and changed in Theology by many heretical sects. Still, Orthodoxy reflects only Judaism because it is the inheritor of 2nd Temple Judaism, Jesus being the superior Temple, Jesus being fulfilled in all of the prophets, and Jesus prophesying about the destruction of the Temple which did happen in history. Jesus Christ is different, the majority of historians and scholars, both atheists and theists, agree Jesus was a historical figure, whatever your teacher listened to by mystics strangely all seem to be the same and are either foraged and are not definitively true, or a part of it is somewhat similar and was taken out of context and pushed as narrative. So far, Jesus was a real historical figure who was really born and died by crucifixion in the 1st Century AD. A lot of evidence in history points to that, including the Shroud of Turin which many speculate to be the authentic burial Shroud of Jesus and has many anomalies that would prove the reliability and authenticity of the resurrection account in the gospels. There is no other person like Jesus despite the so-called claims that "every God and every religion is the same or influenced by other religions, including Christianity" by the mysticists. Despite not being proven 100% and the claim being totally ludicrous when we take into account the culture around AD 1st Century Judea and their sentiment towards the Romans, there are so many arguments against it. You know what's strange? There is no other historical figure that other religions will try to pervert, claim, or give credit to other than Jesus Himself because He is the way, the truth, and the life. He is exclusive, He said it Himself, and that's why the world is against Him. Islam, Hinduism, Zoroastrianism, Egyptian paganism, Roman paganism, Greek paganism, what have you, all these claims coming from people in their respective fields not holding any definite truth in them. "Jesus is Horus", has been debunked. "Jesus was a Muslim" has been debunked. "Jesus learned the teachings of Hinduism" has been debunked. "Jesus is an offshoot of Greek or Roman gods" has been debunked. "Jesus is actually referring to the Sun" has been debunked. Why do you think that is?

Comparative religion is such a dubious field of study I'd be cautious about taking it too seriously. For one, it tends to predispose people to mythiscism which has been widely discredited by now.

Isn't tomato 🍅 a New World plant?

Lmao

​Woosh​@@hieratics

The Christians of Rome already celebrate Jesus' resurrection on sunday at least since the 150's AD. More than a century before Constantine's birth.

Bi Bull...

*when the sun stands still* Um, you do know the sun isn't standing still, right? It's the earth that's moving.