The Rune Knight: Fighters in Tasha's

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Treantmonk's Temple

3 жыл бұрын

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Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
1:25 The Rune Knight
2:08 Bonus Proficiencies (3rd level)
2:22 Rune Carver (3rd level)
3:15 Cloud Rune (3rd level)
4:32 Fire Rune (3rd level)
6:08 Frost Rune (3rd level)
7:07 Stone Rune (3rd level)
8:31 Giant's Might (3rd level)
11:50 Runic Shield (7th level)
12:51 Hill Rune (7th level)
13:35 Storm Rune (7th level)
15:23 Great Stature (10th level)
15:54 Master of Runes (15th level)
16:32 Runic Juggernaut (18th level)
17:20 Conclusions
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@TreantmonksTemple
@TreantmonksTemple 3 жыл бұрын
6:31 "For 10 minutes, you gain a +2 bonus to all ability checks, as well as saving throws that use Strength or Constitution." I read that part wrong. It is +2 bonus to ability checks and saving throws that use Strength or Constitution. The +2 to ability checks does not apply to any ability checks not using Strength or Constitution.
@cp1cupcake
@cp1cupcake 3 жыл бұрын
Its poor wording. I can see it either way.
@Kurse_of_Kall
@Kurse_of_Kall 3 жыл бұрын
@@cp1cupcake Yeah. The comma really makes it seem like they are separate things, when the intention is likely that the belong to the same category within the feature.
@herrkrabbe148
@herrkrabbe148 3 жыл бұрын
suggestion for word change. instead of calling it "minor effect", it is better to call it the "passive effect". then the invoked effekt becomes "active effect"
@VaughanCockell
@VaughanCockell 3 жыл бұрын
I was just about to query your reading of that. So its a bonus to ability checks that use Strength or Constitution, and to saving throws that also use Strength or Constitution. Correct?
@davidbycroft
@davidbycroft 3 жыл бұрын
@@VaughanCockell Correct. A less confusing sentence might have been "For 10 minutes, you gain a +2 bonus to all Strength or Constitution based ability checks and saving throws."
@JackalTornMoons
@JackalTornMoons 3 жыл бұрын
Time for Gargantuan Faerie Rune Knights that can fit through 1-inch spaces 😀
@deltavictor8369
@deltavictor8369 3 жыл бұрын
Will this be the 5e resurrection of 3.5's infamous "Assplomancer" build?
@capterson4
@capterson4 3 жыл бұрын
@@deltavictor8369 Ant Man rides again.
@toufexisk
@toufexisk 3 жыл бұрын
hahahaha! EPIC!
@Spoopball
@Spoopball 3 жыл бұрын
Was gonna post this lol
@charlesjameskelly7689
@charlesjameskelly7689 3 жыл бұрын
Genius ahahahaha
@deltavictor8369
@deltavictor8369 3 жыл бұрын
One interesting tidbit on Giant's Might - Enlarge/Reduce specifies that your weight increases or decreases as your size changes, but Giant's Might and Runic Juggernaut do not. This does unexpected things to the Rune Knight's density. I have seen some math out there that a halfling Rune Knight, with Reduce cast on them first, and then growing to Huge size with Runic Juggernaut, is technically less dense than air... but that gets into the ugly mixing of real world physics with D&D rules and magic. Honestly I just like the mental image of of a gigantic halfling Rune Knight slowly floating into things, like a Macy's Thanksgiving Parade balloon in a strong wind.
@digitaljanus
@digitaljanus 3 жыл бұрын
This potentially sets up wild Ant-Man style fights.
@jacksonmississippi408
@jacksonmississippi408 3 жыл бұрын
With that logic, you could cast Reduce on your party's Gnome to make them tiny and weigh 5 pounds (average weight is 40, reduced to 1/8) and then the gnome hulks out to reach Large/Huge size and then you have a 5 pound Huge creature your barbarian can throw.
@Spoopball
@Spoopball 3 жыл бұрын
Watch [film theory]'s video on antman it explains that because of density alot of the small stuff that gets embiggen'd becomes lighter than air [per square inch] so the train and large ant would have floated away into space if physics were actually involved
@mcid111
@mcid111 3 жыл бұрын
@@Spoopball that's a perfectly cromulent interpretation
@maikkniss3971
@maikkniss3971 3 жыл бұрын
So like attack on titan?
@binolombardi
@binolombardi 3 жыл бұрын
Stone option spends a reaction at the end of another creatures turns to cause incapacitation, charmed, and speed of 0 on a failed save. Since it’s at the end of a turn, this can potentially be used right after an enemy caster casts their big concentration spell. If they fail the save, incapacitation ends that spell, potentially before it even has a chance to do anything.
@Ciberbuster
@Ciberbuster 3 жыл бұрын
What I really like about this subclass is giving flavourful magical abilities to fighters without it being spellcasting. Totally MC this with barbarian!
@benjoffe948
@benjoffe948 3 жыл бұрын
I didn't even think of that, WOW that sounds awesome!
@lukemccauley1173
@lukemccauley1173 Жыл бұрын
I’m currently multiclassing with Path of the Storm barbarian and he’s narratively a warrior chosen by a cult of storm giants to represent their strength in battle.
@zeedar412
@zeedar412 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, this one is great. I always wanted to wrestle a Tarrasque. Just throw an enlarge on top of the level 18 feature, and let me at it. What a moment that would be.
@aprinnyonbreak1290
@aprinnyonbreak1290 2 жыл бұрын
Party of Rune Knights versus Terrasque with Wizard Levels. Let them fight.
@gaigeschaal9070
@gaigeschaal9070 2 жыл бұрын
@@aprinnyonbreak1290 They'll need sacrifices for the cloud rune. Call animals maybe?
@dbacon1975
@dbacon1975 3 жыл бұрын
I love the idea of making a Yuan-Ti Rune Knight that has perverted the runes to make him/her closer to an Anathema. So the more powerful s/he gets the more Anathema snake like the fighter looks. I think that could be super fun.
@Armphid
@Armphid 3 жыл бұрын
Would love to play a halfling Rune Knight. I like halflings in general and this could make all the short jokes and cracks about eating all the party's food worth it. I can just hear the story being told now, "So then our halfling wrestled the dragon to the ground, and-" "Wait, what?"
@castillejan
@castillejan 3 жыл бұрын
I’ll always be a god wizard at heart, but damn this is a cool fighter subclass.
@studentofsmith
@studentofsmith 3 жыл бұрын
A Rune Knight should be built with grappling in mind. With so many options for using your reaction you won't be able to rely on opportunity attacks to restrict enemy movement.
@Solarraven7777
@Solarraven7777 3 жыл бұрын
Completely agree on this. Large size let’s you grapple larger enemies without risk that they’ll auto succeed to break out. Advantage on strength checks and the ability to use your reaction to give disadvantage to enemies on those checks ensures you can keep the main bad guy pinned as your allies deal with the minions. Plus resistance to damage means let’s you ignore attacks and focus on keeping the big bad out of the fight. One handed weapons or unarmed are likely preferred in order to keep at least one hand free.
@studentofsmith
@studentofsmith 3 жыл бұрын
@@Solarraven7777 The rule that creatures larger than you will automatically succeed in escaping a grapple was never implemented and the part of the Grappler feat based on that rule was removed in the errata. Otherwise yeah, I agree with your strategy of finding the biggest baddie in the fight and locking them down.
@justinpehala2740
@justinpehala2740 3 жыл бұрын
Duergar to get Enlarge, unarmed Fighting Style, amd tavern brawler feat
@scumbad7953
@scumbad7953 3 жыл бұрын
0:25 Him saying that despite Rune Knight not having access to spellcasting means a lot!
@Human-NPC
@Human-NPC 3 жыл бұрын
great profile pic! she is a great singer
@scumbad7953
@scumbad7953 3 жыл бұрын
@@Human-NPC Mhm her husband too!
@predwin1998
@predwin1998 3 жыл бұрын
In his tier lists where he also mentioned his number 1 subclass for each class, he put Echo Knight as the best Fight subclass, and mentioned that it would probably have been Battle Master otherwise. Obviously this was before Tasha's, but apparently there are at least 2 other subclasses for Fighter he ranks higher than Eldritch Knight, which also surprised me. Now it's surprising to hear this might knock Echo Knight of its pedestal as the best Fighter subclass. *EDIT* Turns out it competes with Echo Knight, but knocking it off of its pedestal would be an exaggeration. I suppose it's because EK doesn't mesh too well with the Fighter chassis, and casting spells comes at the cost of using your weapon attacks, unlike those higher ranked subclasses who can continue to do what Fighters do best while enhancing it with their unique features.
@binolombardi
@binolombardi 3 жыл бұрын
I think having many different reactions for a fighter is a good thing. Fighters reaction attack is almost worthless without several specific feats invested. Being able to spend reactions to transfer damage, incapacitate specific creatures, and force confirmed hits to reroll against other creatures is awesome. Especially since the bonus damage you get is limited to once per YOUR turn.
@shanebernier2483
@shanebernier2483 3 жыл бұрын
I feel like the design team hit it out of the park with the Rune Knight. The flavor is unique and interesting, the power level is pushing the boundaries of Fighter subclasses without outright overshadowing them all, sticking with the class to higher levels has worthwhile payouts, and the playstyle provides lots of decision points to avoid every combat just being "I attack and end my turn." The only tweaks I would have liked to see were Giant's Might giving a small bonus to every hit you make (even if it was just something smaller like a flat +2 that never goes up, it just seems more flavorful that all your hits would get stronger, and would encourage sticking with Fighter for more attacks), eventual access to all 6 runes (which could also probably be better balanced against one another, poor frost giants), and an option to let your allies use your rune items (infusion style). It also bugs me a little that the Hill Giant rune is one of the best ones given all the lore around Hill Giants is that hey are the worst true giants at pretty much everything, but given that they don't really have any unique strengths other than being able to eat almost anything, I can see why they went this route. I guess they could have taken inspiration from the Mouth of Grolantor and instead have it give advantage on all attacks for a round, but that would have really stepped on the Samurai's toes.
@moto2442
@moto2442 3 жыл бұрын
I agree I really felt that Giants might should have just dealt an extra 1d6 damage to every attack. 1 attack a round is nothing for fighters and you do t get any benefit when using action surge or making an opportunity attack which doesn't really make all that sense.
@theWebWizrd
@theWebWizrd 3 жыл бұрын
I don't feel like the designers hit it out of the park at all - in fact, I think this subclass is perhaps the biggest mistake they have ever made period. It is so ridiculously overloaded, it is the best martial subclass in the game by such a long shot that nothing else comes even close to competing. That is far, far, far from good design. A fighter that gets essentially a better rage, invalidating the entire barbarian class, including the barbarians extra damage on all attacks, advantage on all strength saves, resistance to normal damage, and then on top of that a bunch of magic-like abilities and they could even multiclass and still use magic while pseudoraging? We have one in our campaign. Level 5, a Rune Knight attacks for 6d6+8 damage every turn, whilst wearing plate armour, whilst having advantage on all strength checks and having several magical abilities, and using action surge he deals 12d6+16 damage... Level 5. A Rune Knight is essentially a fighter/barbarian gestalt character in a non-gestalt game. I honestly can't believe it made it to print like this. I will have no choice but to ban it in my own games, just like bladesinger.
@moto2442
@moto2442 3 жыл бұрын
@@theWebWizrd How is he doing 6d6 damage a round. Giants might only allows 1d6 damage on one attack per round.
@mojorn8837
@mojorn8837 3 жыл бұрын
@@theWebWizrd I think you’re miss reading rules to have those numbers. Also, how is blade singer broken? What are you smoking?
@moto2442
@moto2442 3 жыл бұрын
@@theWebWizrd It gets resistance to damage once per rest. The resistance uses your bonus action same way to get advantage in strength checks. In my opinion barbarians are not a great class past level 5. A lot of the new martial subclasses serve to lessen the gap between martials and casters at higher levels.
@peterrasmussen4428
@peterrasmussen4428 3 жыл бұрын
It is worth noting that this is super bonus action hungry once you reach level 7. Bonus action to become large. Bonus action to become resistant to physical attacks Bonus action to enter the prophetic state where you cause advantage/disadvantage on enemies. As already mentioned in the video you are also very reaction hungry. This means fewer attacks of opportunity. Taken together this means Sentinel and Polearm master decrease in value. These would normally be great with large size, but after level 7, you probably don't have the reactions and bonus actions to use them effectively. Even heavy weapon master decrease a bit you are less likely to get the extra attack it can provide. Not saying this subclass isn't great, just saying it has drawbacks, drawbacks that might lead you to build your fighter differently than what you are used to.
@killdozerification
@killdozerification 3 жыл бұрын
Our group normally rolls with a bonus background feat at level 1, so this doesn't exactly map, but after a 1-13 campaign while I *did* feel the option crunch at times, I liked the options PWM gave me. Our recent campaign fairly closely followed the standard adventuring day (6-8 fights a day, 2 short rests) and until you get into higher levels 3/day of Defensive Runes and Giant's Might means getting into into fights where I don't have or don't want to spend resources and a bonus action GWM Glaive attack + AoO when someone enters reach means I rarely end a turn not using a reaction/bonus action. If you're in a slower paced game (1-3 battles a day) where you can afford to burn all your runes/giant might every battle I'd probably go with... well, a spell-caster, but a Great Sword looks more appealing to me then. That said, I chose a race with a possible bonus action (Simic Hybrid limbs) and all my options meant I used its ability maybe 4 times the entire campaign. It *was* useful for ferrying the 90lb weaklings in the group when we encountered: a +13 athletics check is far better for climbing a wall then a -1, especially in a game where we didn't have great access to magic flight. My ASI list for that game: 1: PAM 4: +1 str Brawny (replaced with the new expertise feat) 6: +2 str (up to 20) 8: GWM 12: +2 CON
@peterrasmussen4428
@peterrasmussen4428 3 жыл бұрын
@@killdozerification indeed, my group usually plays the slower game you describe. So that might color my opinion a fair bit. But cool to hear from the perspective of someone who plays a different style.
@killdozerification
@killdozerification 3 жыл бұрын
​@@peterrasmussen4428 I'm lucky enough to have multiple DM's in my friend group, so I have firsthand experience with slower games. Our Druid/Bard/Artificer/Sorcerer/Warlock party wiped out a CR24 at level 14. It's rough for BBEGs when fighting a full party of fresh spellcasters. :P
@pvrhye
@pvrhye 3 жыл бұрын
You didn't mention it, but if you're willing to eat 2 runes, the storm rune can make the fire rune hell on earth.
@mojorn8837
@mojorn8837 3 жыл бұрын
This makes for the ultimate grappler build. Playing an 8ft loxodon, who can either attack with unarmed strikes or use every attack as a grapple and then free action let them go for 10/20ft (1d6/2d6) of fall damage while big. Now they’re likely prone (might be ruled an acrobatics check to stay standing) and that just sets up for the grapple pin with one of 3 viable limbs. Alternative, go aracocra and become the “Roc” for more high flying moves. Requires taking the chef feat.
@Wanderingsage7
@Wanderingsage7 3 жыл бұрын
This would be an interesting sub class for the 'armored pugilist' build option I will say.
@halifaxsteppenwulf7980
@halifaxsteppenwulf7980 3 жыл бұрын
One of my fellow PCs is exactly this! A kobold rune knight who wants to become a dragon
@MaMastoast
@MaMastoast 3 жыл бұрын
I think the coolest thing about this subclass is the amount of super strong passive effects they can get... If you wanna make fighter thief character, advantage on sleight of hand, deception and thieves tools can be very cool.. I do think thatr giant's might was obviously made to work with every attack.. And the way it scales shows this. Having lvl 10 feature increase the damage die would still be rather weak when applyng to each attack, but tleast kinda cool as it'd also scale with your number of attacks... Having the die increase by 1 on 1 attack per turn is beyond disapointing.. It's like they couldn't come up wth a way to make it cool after they made the benefit only apply to 1 attack... I think the lvl 10 feature is one of the weakest subclass features in the game tbh.
@CRWM987
@CRWM987 3 жыл бұрын
The rune knight is cool. I liked it back when it was still designed as a prestige class. I’m kind of ready for prestige classes now tbh.
@killdozerification
@killdozerification 3 жыл бұрын
I've just taken a Rune Knight through a full Decent into Avernus campaign (1 session left) and the class is simply a blast. All the way through 13 I've pulled my weight, and short rest resistance is such a useful ability for a front-liner. Being large without depending on a wizard was awesome. Just flipping infernal war-machines left and right, making Godzilla Noises. In the final act (I got the angel wings- perks of being the only STR character) I was able to leverage Giant Might and an action sure to knock *6* huge demons out of the air 500ft above the ground... then used sentinel to send the last one plummeting when it came after me. +15 Athletics with Advantage for a minute is No Joke. A 14 foot tall four-armed simic hybrid with angel wings just punting demons out of the sky. It was honestly the best experience I've ever had playing a high-level martial in 5e. I played a PAM/GWM character, and the amount of options (while they mostly amounted to hit this, redirect that, don't get hit as hard) I had with my bonus action and reaction meant that I essentially exhausted every single Action/Bonus/Reaction every turn meaningfully, which I'm not used to on a martial. It's nice to be able to do more then 'I rage. Now I spin to win' every turn. I didn't realize that the tool expertise applied to tools other then Smithing! I have a DM friend who really fleshed out crafting so its nice to be able to play a character that's decent at tool use that's not an Artificer. Is there anyway else to gain expertise besides Artificer/Rune Knight?
@jessie-buns839
@jessie-buns839 3 жыл бұрын
Interested in what you think of a "power bomb" build. Grapple your target, then jump and "let go". Rules state that you can lift a creature up to "Your height*1.5", if you started out as a Goblin, you'll be 16ft high at Large size (Taller if you have a wizard friend to enlarge you). Assuming you dash on your turn, that means you can lift up a creature 20ft in the air, plus your jump height (6ft at Str16). A creature will take 3d6 fall damage from that height. Maximum damage compared to a greatsword? Perhaps not, but when you add in multiclassing, Wizard to buff yourself with Jump and Elarge spells, or Rogue to dash as a bonus action, not to mention that you can grapple 2 creatures at once (or 4 if your DM allows Simic Hybrid), you're starting to stack up some serious damage. Bare in mind this also uses Athletics (which you will have adv on, +2 if your frost rune is active), vs their anti-grapple skill, not their AC. At level 9 a buffed fighter could: Grapple 2 creatures (Extra Attack), Dash twice (Rogue Bonus+Action Surge), jumping to a height of 24 feet, and raising their targets above their heads and slam them onto the ground for 7d6 damage each. And if your DM is really nice, let you maintain the grapple. DISCLAIMER: This is purely built off RAW and not RAI, the implications for exploiting the grapple and falling damage features should not be taken as immutable.
@imnotanumber43
@imnotanumber43 3 жыл бұрын
This but with the Psi Knight's Telekinetic Leap. A Tabaxi with mobile could grapple, action surge dash, and drop someone 200+ feet at level 7
@jessie-buns839
@jessie-buns839 3 жыл бұрын
@@imnotanumber43 Great plan too! Falls apart sadly if you fight anything larger than large, but then again most creatures are that size at that level anyway
@Booklat1
@Booklat1 3 жыл бұрын
​@@jessie-buns839 isn't satyr or one of the flying races the best for this build? satyr because it's already so strong but also because it has both extra jumping distance AND speed
@snowman9631
@snowman9631 2 жыл бұрын
fighter3/barbarian6. the beast barbarian gets a jump ability that lets you add an athletics roll to your jump, if you have a 20 str, expertise on athletics and roll your best thats a 33, be a n 8ft tall goliath and become large with the rune knight feature (assuming it works like the enlarge/reduce spell) you can grow to 16ft tall, have enlarge reduce cast on you to then grow to 32ft tall. as a 9th lvl character you can make a high jump and get 41 ft off the ground and being able to reach something 89 ft up. you can have someone grappled and throw them from there this also doesnt factor that you weigh 21,760 lbs and can just land on someone. if you get to higher levels and increase your str more you can reach over 100ft in the air and be at least 50ft off the ground
@disengronkulifactice
@disengronkulifactice 3 жыл бұрын
If you’re curious about the historical alphabet the idea of these runes is based on, see: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elder_Futhark Unfortunately, none of the D&D runes have an exact match in the Futhark, but you could use “ice” for frost, “sun” for fire, “hail” for cloud, etc.
@Morkftw
@Morkftw 3 жыл бұрын
One thing that I really love about this subclass (which has also made it my favourite Fighter subclass) is that the various rune options have very interesting interactions with multiclassing as well. While a standard, generic, pure fighter might not use deception or arcana or other of the main skills that the runes boost, when being part of a character that does (a fighter that's also a face or a fighter/wizard, fighter/cleric, fighter/druid multiclass). Also the storm rune allows a melee caster build to give disadvantage to important saves on enemies every turn, while the increased size increases the radius of things like spirit guardians/shroud etc. There's lots of little interactions on this subclass that, imo, makes it the best fighter subclass when it comes to creating a multitude of different builds with it.
@mojorn8837
@mojorn8837 3 жыл бұрын
Great stature does indeed help mechanically, at least in my grapple to drop build. Every foot of height gets closer to the next 10ft cut off for another d6 of damage, which is why it’s important to note the tallest options (8ft tall player races) actually get out sized by the small player races with 4ft heights like the grunge because they’re capable of a base height of 5ft, meaning they are 20ft tall when large, and 40ft tall when huge, and if hit with the wizards enlarge spell they’re a towering 80ft. The loxodon under the same conditions only reaches 72ft, though arguably the trunk can make up any slack.
@lord6617
@lord6617 3 жыл бұрын
One small item - I think the fire rune is more comparable to the Paladin Oath of the Ancient's Channel Divinity feature. Ensnaring Strike's greatest benefit is that it imposes an action cost to even attempt the save. Even if a creature then saves, it still cost their action economy.
@daggumnametaken
@daggumnametaken 3 жыл бұрын
I run a Rune Knight, and cloud rune is so amazing for saving allies from a Nat20 every day.
@clenzen9930
@clenzen9930 3 жыл бұрын
Great video! I would still like a video telling us why the Twilight Cleric is *so good*. We got one telling us it’s too good, but most DMs will allow official subclasses.
@thehermitdruid
@thehermitdruid Жыл бұрын
Hey Chris. Just wanna say thanks for like all the hard work you have been putting in for like the last 20 years. You are so important to this game.
@chrisriego8549
@chrisriego8549 3 жыл бұрын
Yay! New TM! These make my Mondays more worthwhile
@JonathanLevinTKY
@JonathanLevinTKY 3 жыл бұрын
Been playing this since Tasha's came out with a Goliath. Super fun and I cant tweak or change anything about him. He is just consistently amazing.
@LateStageCap
@LateStageCap 3 жыл бұрын
Lvl 18 Rune knight duergar with sentinel/polearm master can solo the Tarrasque and other non-ranged monsters without taking much damage, with 25 foot melee range
@conradkorbol
@conradkorbol 3 жыл бұрын
25 foot melee range?
@heathenwizard
@heathenwizard 3 жыл бұрын
One of my recommendations during the play test was to add something to the fire giant rune that embodied their flavor as slavers, and mentioned summoning chains. I AM AGHAST! THEY TOOK MY ADVICE!!!!
@herrkrabbe148
@herrkrabbe148 3 жыл бұрын
10:25 correction, it is not monster manual rules. it is dungeon master guide page 278 top left corner. my comment on the rule and the "rule" is explicitly in the context of helping you reach a more appropriate damage number for monsters. therefore it should not be usable by player characters.
@TreantmonksTemple
@TreantmonksTemple 3 жыл бұрын
Good point, specifically rules for creating monsters. By RAW there is no rule that says a PC does more damage with an oversized weapon in any case.
@douglascheesman
@douglascheesman 3 жыл бұрын
I nearly chose this as a class for a new campaign. But Abberant Mind was calling!
@capterson4
@capterson4 3 жыл бұрын
I am currently playing the Rune Knight. It is awesome. 🤣
@maesterx4d
@maesterx4d 3 жыл бұрын
*Cheers* Fellow Rune Knights
@psmith6166
@psmith6166 2 жыл бұрын
"Potentially" the undisputed best fighter sub-class. Finally an interesting fighter sub class with a cool ability source, utility and a hulk smash theme instead of very basic combat moves.
@aquaticbeast7989
@aquaticbeast7989 3 жыл бұрын
Would love to see a rune night build wether that be multi-class or not but whatever you think would be most optimal
@JoeHero40k
@JoeHero40k 3 жыл бұрын
The power creep is real.
@erikwilliams1562
@erikwilliams1562 3 жыл бұрын
Power creep my ass. Thats a power sprint!
@joocebocks8610
@joocebocks8610 3 жыл бұрын
I'd say that the Battlemaster and Eldritch Knight are both still arguably better, so I wouldn't really call it power creep to finally have a subclass that competes with 2 of the 3 options from the PHB. Honestly, nothing in Tasha's screams OP at all, except maybe 2 of the Cleric domains, but Cleric has always been very powerful, with some of the domains being arguably too powerful since the PHB, so that's nothing new. None of the new feats are exceptionally powerful when compared to things like Sharpshooter/Great Weapon Master, Crossbow/Polearm Master, Observant, Alert, War Caster, etc. Neither are any of the new subclasses exceptionally powerful compared to what is in the PHB, except maybe for the Sorcerer and Monk, but that's because they simply had poor subclasses to begin with. Tasha's offers a lot of flavor, but considering that most optimized builds still aren't even dipping into Tasha's, except maybe for the custom lineage, which is simply finally an option on par with the variant human from the PHB, I'd say the book seems quite balanced with the core content.
@jeefberky9101
@jeefberky9101 3 жыл бұрын
"So I was thinking about playing a rune knight" Spellcaster that loves to use Enlarge: *smiles with malicious intent*
@k-p116
@k-p116 3 жыл бұрын
I love this. I'm thinking about mixing it with Ancestral Barbarian.
@CanisMythson
@CanisMythson 3 жыл бұрын
I have a concept build using Rune Knight Fighter to 7th, and Artificer Armorer to 11th. Not sure what else to do with those last 2 levels. Utilizes Sharpshooter/Archery Fighting Style in tandem with the Lightning Launcher. The ultimate goal: Enlarge yourself *and* Giant's Might to become a huge mechanical suit of armor, with a very potent and accurate ranged attack, though more resisted as lightning damage, as well as a shield. Maybe pick up a Sun Blade as your melee option, which with a +2 would offset not using Intelligence as your main attack stat with it, so if you have to fight up close you have a laser sword. Helm would be infused with the awareness infusion, weapon would be aa +2 weap (thus meaning sharpshooter bonus is effectively just a -1 to the base difficulty), and the chestpiece infusion can be swapped out between Armor of Resistance and the protection effect, along with a shield (which you can wield using the lightning launcher to no detriment) that can similarly be boosted in AC. Go Artificer 5, grab 3 levels of Fighter for Rune Knight, then work up to Artificer 11. Once you have that... Think about it. Huge sized mech with a beam cannon, laser sword, and shield; capable of flight and very very durable with a wide variety of customizability and options depending on how a fight progresses, involving both runes and infusions and spell storing items to have utility. Even can be swapped around to be a potent melee combatant if nessicary. I call this character build... *The Gundam.*
@Booklat1
@Booklat1 3 жыл бұрын
i swear i've been trying to fit warlock or at least invocations in a build like this for a long time are you going to pick warforged?
@JasonMcMackins
@JasonMcMackins 3 жыл бұрын
One caution about Huge and Grapple. If you have Grappled an opponent, no matter reach issues, you are in range. It’s been clarified that the foe can attacked the appendage used to make the grapple. Reach is inconsequential when determining range during a grapple.
@Veon97
@Veon97 3 жыл бұрын
I mean, having this subclass, plus the unarmed fighting style and the eldritch claw tattoo to get magical attacks and I think you can make an amazing wrestler character!
@general_malarky
@general_malarky 2 ай бұрын
Personally, I'd still rather play an echo night. The rune night is a strong and respectable subclass. Still, a nearly limitless teleport allows for so much movement and positioning. It allows you to make GWM attacks from range, it allows you to escape melee without triggering opportunity attacks, it allows an at will teleport outside of combat to a distance of 60 ft starting at level 3! It's bananas! Honnestly whatever your favorite is, I suppose I'm just glad there are at least a few excellent choices for marshalls, let's go bonk bros!!!
@zenithmaiden2109
@zenithmaiden2109 2 жыл бұрын
Another big advantage about size large and higher is that it's much harder to restrain you. Many spells have the caveat of being disadvantaged against large and larger targets. Love the feel of a rune knight relying on inscriptions of power, in some ways reminding me of what an eldritch knight could have been without all the wizard showmanship.
@ceranko
@ceranko 3 жыл бұрын
Overpowered as hell!
@AdeptN7
@AdeptN7 3 жыл бұрын
I'm playing an Archer Rune Knight currently. Took a one level dip in genie warlock. The Genie's wrath is a great bonus on top of Giant's Might but it's really about being able to cast Hex. More damage on each attack but that disadvantage to the ability I choose, which will be the correspondent to the Rune I cast, is really nasty to break out of
@TBrogren
@TBrogren 3 жыл бұрын
Made a lizardfolk rune knight using the unarmed fighting style. Basically in any situation, they are always armed, always armored and can be difficult to pin down. I get to play him tomorrow and couldn't be more excited.
@romanwagner8709
@romanwagner8709 2 жыл бұрын
Tip for Wizards: cast Enlarge/Reduce on the Rune Knight when you fight an adult dragon to make their size huge, and watch the, wrestle each other. Thank me later.
@danielbutka8854
@danielbutka8854 3 жыл бұрын
I feel like the 10th level fighter subclass features are universally the least exciting. Arcane archer doesn't even get one!
@RenoKyrie
@RenoKyrie Жыл бұрын
Not gonna lie, the concept of Large Weapons really is a question that never asked about in full detail Some people think Enlarge/Reduce and Giant's Might make the Player's weapon be treated as a Oversized weapon, some people dont We dont have a exact answer about this
@coldfusion230
@coldfusion230 3 жыл бұрын
For the cloud rune I'm guessing it works like the shield spell. The DM will declare the attack hit and you would have to invoke at that point so you don't know whether it crit or how much damage it did until after the effect takes place. Oh and minor correction: the capstone is at 18th level not 17th.
@Frosty-kz4om
@Frosty-kz4om 3 жыл бұрын
Totally multiclassing this with an elemental shaman homebrew class I picked up.
@JacobGrim
@JacobGrim 3 жыл бұрын
Great stuff
@cp1cupcake
@cp1cupcake 3 жыл бұрын
If you check the rules for rerolls on d20 rolls, they specify that you can only reroll 1 die. IE a halfling with disadvantage who rolls snake eyes on an attack is an auto miss because they can only reroll 1 of the d20s. So with Runic Shield, you force them to reroll 1d20.
@Mithguar
@Mithguar Жыл бұрын
I just realised that frost rune has good application if you hand the item with this rune to a friend like a caster that isn't proficient in con saves/war caster. But that is the only use.
@safes4727
@safes4727 3 жыл бұрын
I believe that potion of giant size, set the Precedence for increased damage dice with increased character size.
@garbodude4365
@garbodude4365 Жыл бұрын
This seems like a real neat Fighter
@prestonbruchmiller497
@prestonbruchmiller497 2 жыл бұрын
Adding sentinel and pole arm master to this build give you a lot of battlefield control especially if you are the only front line character in your party.
@itspabbs
@itspabbs 3 жыл бұрын
TMT videos make Monday mornings more tolerable.
@herrkrabbe148
@herrkrabbe148 3 жыл бұрын
15:31 well actually, height does have mechanical benefits in case you didn't know. take a look at the high jump rules again, ok? see how it say that on top of the max hight you can jump, you can also reach additional distance equal to 1 1/2 times your own height?
@reespewa
@reespewa 3 жыл бұрын
This. But that's speaking as a person who routinely finds uses for the Jump spell so I might be biased...
@jackbeckner8334
@jackbeckner8334 2 жыл бұрын
I think the large weapon damage boost is needed with all the things your giving up by not playing a spell casters
@ariashkenazi9211
@ariashkenazi9211 3 жыл бұрын
The Rune Knight's ability to Get Big is a key part of my "1-round tarrasque kill no magic items" build
@brandoncreek5709
@brandoncreek5709 3 жыл бұрын
Feels like a rune knight with calligrapher's tools is a cool and thematic idea
@toufexisk
@toufexisk 3 жыл бұрын
Great, great flavor from this subclass!! But I'm a little worried its a bit too much, especially if we can compare it to the echo knight.
@elliotbryant3459
@elliotbryant3459 3 жыл бұрын
I feel like it's pretty fair -when compared with the good fighter subclasses -initially anyways... The runes are quite powerful but then your subclass basically shuts off until a short rest after 2-4 rune uses [aside from the minor skill stuff and limited long rest things]. -That is until level 15 where you have 10 rune uses per short rest -and a proficiency of 5 for your 2 long rest resources. Meanwhile, battle master only has 6 superiority dice per short rest at this point [+1 on initiative w/ 0] -and they are a lot less powerful than the runes. -And the arcane archer is just crying in the corner.
@binolombardi
@binolombardi 3 жыл бұрын
Great stature would “mechanically” affect how high you can reach for climbing. It’s an average of about 7 inches... very small effect but it may matter if you choose a taller race. The giants might feature doesn’t give the same “doubling in all dimensions” description as the enlarge reduce spell, but this boost may allow a player to climb over various walls and even over buildings without worrying about a source of flight. Combined with jumping rules this could be a sizable distance. It’s interesting to think that taking 10ft of fall damage at 1d6 would cause a 40ft+ tall creature to fall prone...
@lietz13
@lietz13 3 жыл бұрын
Duergar enlarge is such a funny combo
@benjaminkowal7310
@benjaminkowal7310 2 жыл бұрын
They killed the coolest use of enlarge/reduce...buy it is still an awesome trick.
@Azure923
@Azure923 3 жыл бұрын
OK so for that part where it says you can put it on weapons or armor it should give different bonuses for what you do decide to put it on, like with fire rune on a weapon it does fire damage until you use the ruin effect. mind you you still keepo the original minor effect but this will be a bonus.
@steveh.7664
@steveh.7664 2 жыл бұрын
Mine is a Goliath Rune Knight with polearm master and great weapon master. Currently using fire, storm and Hill runes at lvl 9.
@nooneyouknowof
@nooneyouknowof 3 жыл бұрын
I'm thinking of a rune knight spore druid build for extra melee damage and tankiness while being able to cast some nice spells and support for the party as needed: Cloud rune, Fire rune, Hill Giant rune, + Symbiotic Entity for extra 1d6/attack wielding a great sword+ Halo of Spores damage+temp hitpoints. So 2d6 for grt swrd, 1d6 for symbiotic ent, 2d6 fire, possible 2d10 halo of spores damg at 14th lvl, 1d6 on one attack w/ giant's might, 2 attacks/rnd, action surge, some rage type resistance, 20 extra temp hp at druid lvl 5, forced rerolls, damg transfer, + some spell options like fire shield to punish enemies when they do hit me. Yes, please!
@poilboiler
@poilboiler 3 жыл бұрын
The cloud rune doesn't specify friendly or enemy targets so if the party barbarian makes a raging crit against something weak like a skeleton with 1 remaining hitpoint you could transfer the full blow to the enemy necromancer standing behind the rest of the skeletons.
@fadeleaf845
@fadeleaf845 3 жыл бұрын
I wonder if people catch on that the Rune Knight's runes basically work like the Mystic's Disciplines.
@InsomniaOwl952
@InsomniaOwl952 3 жыл бұрын
nah even better you get all boni dont even have to choose one. though you dont get like 5 spell likes per rune
@johnkronz7562
@johnkronz7562 3 жыл бұрын
The first time I heard of the Eldritch Knight, I was actually imagining something with abilities like the rune knight in terms of how magic abilities worked, rather than being a one third caster.
@FelipeTadeu1000
@FelipeTadeu1000 3 жыл бұрын
Now, with the Rune Knight, is the first time I REALLY got excited to play a fighter. Fighters always seemed kinda generic to me, now I can't wait to play one.
@TheRobversion1
@TheRobversion1 3 жыл бұрын
Great vid as always Chris. Agreed that this is the best fighter subclass though I wouldn't say by a mile. I'd still say battlemasters and samurais are close behind. But yeah rune knights are way ahead of eks, champions, arcane archers and the psi-warrior.
@theWebWizrd
@theWebWizrd 3 жыл бұрын
Dealing 1d6 extra damage on every single attack + resistance to nonmagical damage already makes them easily the strongest fighter subclass. Then you add the million other things they get.
@TheRobversion1
@TheRobversion1 3 жыл бұрын
@@theWebWizrd yup. Just saying its not the best for all the archetypes so there's still value for a few subclasses. Grappler? Sure. One-shot booming blader? Sure. Tank+minor control? Sure. Multi-hit alpha striker/nova? Nope. Battlemasters, samurais and the echo knight are still ahead.
@mojorn8837
@mojorn8837 3 жыл бұрын
@@theWebWizrd the extra damage is only 1 attack per round, and the delay to setting up damage resistance because of bonus action bloat need to be considered, but it’s still the best fighter in the game, save maybe the echo knight. Just think it’s important to keep the perspective that the abilities aren’t quite rage, despite almost adding up to its equivalent when all set up.
@theWebWizrd
@theWebWizrd 3 жыл бұрын
@@mojorn8837 I didn't notice that they did nerf the 1d6 additional damage from the UA. Thanks for pointing that out. It says a lot that even without an additional 1d6 damage every round I still stand behind the notion that it is far and beyond the strongest martial class in the game.
@_princeovpeace6512
@_princeovpeace6512 2 жыл бұрын
I’m playing a twilight domain Cleric in my current campaign but damn I can’t wait to roll a rune knight and take my revenge on Marley.
@fyng.1582
@fyng.1582 3 жыл бұрын
The power on this one feels a little over the top... It's not Twilight Cleric, but its pretty crazy. The sheer number of abilities you get is staggering, and compared to other classes a lot of the rune abilities are flat better than full subclass features (like, compare Cloud Rune to the Enchanter wizard's feature to redirect attacks which requires a failed save AND happens prior to hitting)
@elliotbryant3459
@elliotbryant3459 3 жыл бұрын
and even 2 pages earlier in the same book, for the same class. The rune knight can try to restrain a creature from level 3 without any action for up to a minute, while the psi warrior doesn't get it until level 18 via telekinesis -and it uses their action each round.
@josephlieberman8295
@josephlieberman8295 3 жыл бұрын
I don’t make adventurers. Our party is a couple of rune knight artificer multi classes that run an equipment rental agency for adventurers. Capitalism, that’s the rune knight’s true power.
@anniedarkheart5224
@anniedarkheart5224 3 жыл бұрын
An interesting interpretation on Rune Shield regarding Advantage/Disadvantage: The attack roll selected is the higher/lower of the two. Rerolling the D20 makes them reroll that one. Lets say I have advantage and I roll a 20 and a 15 and I reroll my 20 and get a 1, so my advantage rolls are 1 and 15. This interpretation doesn't take away advantage or disadvantage either.
@rcschmidt668
@rcschmidt668 11 ай бұрын
I have a gladiator rune knight that is distrustful of magic and offended if anyone claims that he uses magic. For role play, Giant Might is flavored as battle focus, which makes the battle area seem smaller.
@CaitSith87
@CaitSith87 3 жыл бұрын
I would love a rune wizard subclass. :)
@taelok
@taelok 3 жыл бұрын
my party currently has one of these in the form of a squirrel-kin 4th level fighter gained from a Deck of Many Things
@pandoraeeris7860
@pandoraeeris7860 2 жыл бұрын
A chaotic evil Rune Knight is a Ruin Knight...
@Thergood
@Thergood 3 жыл бұрын
Time for my professional wrestler heel character to come out. Suplexes, drop kicks, and sleeper holds. Leg drops, cross body blocks, and body slams. Let's goooo. Also stone rune will be roleplayed as mesmerizing people with dancing pecs and flexing.
@--DW
@--DW 3 жыл бұрын
Boy is my DM sick of my bugbear rune knight holding all her monsters prone and out of reach. With skill expert feat all my athletics checks at advantage with double digits bonus. Then when she finally lands a good hit it hits an enemy instead. Such a great class so much fun.
@theeye8276
@theeye8276 3 жыл бұрын
I kinda felt this would of worked better as a barbarian subclass initially since they're the strength class.
@TVMAN1997
@TVMAN1997 3 жыл бұрын
Thought of a cool Rune Knight concept The character learns runic magic from an Oni
@insertphrasehere15
@insertphrasehere15 3 жыл бұрын
I love the Rune Knight so much. I built a Norse warrior. While he has a typical tragic backstory (all of his friends and family are dead), there's a plot twist: he wants to join them in Valhalla, but feels cursed to live forever. He is so resilient in combat that never once has he been truly challenged in combat. I went for VHuman with Heavy Armour Master. When you start adding on the Hill Rune (7th level), nonmagical damage basically deals no damage after you reduce to half (round down) and take off 3. DM said to start with an uncommon item (Adamantine Plate), so he doesn't fear crits either... another PC is a Twilight Cleric. With the constant infusion of temp HP, he's Nigh untouchable until we go up against some legendary supernatural foe.
@insertphrasehere15
@insertphrasehere15 3 жыл бұрын
Funny story about using the Cloud Rune: My teammate gets hit with 20-something damage off a crit from an ancient dragon's claw attack. We were only fighting one creature, so I used the Cloud rune to direct it to myself, suddenly it wasn't a crit anymore (Adamantine--reduced to 19), it was reduced by half (Hill Rune--reduced to 9), and then 3 damage was removed. I took 6.
@Megidramon
@Megidramon 3 жыл бұрын
Rune Knight is the closest thing to Rage while still being able to cast spells.
@curiouswind9196
@curiouswind9196 Жыл бұрын
Yes finally I can turn my warforged to a giant mech with a power claw and chainsward
@michaelj4729
@michaelj4729 Жыл бұрын
I've done a ruin knight/Artillerist build Heavy repeating crossbow + Force balista rocks
@scottyrose9106
@scottyrose9106 2 жыл бұрын
Would be cool to see a fairy runs knight. be as bid as a thumb, then suddenly large/ huge sized. LMAO!
@patricks2645
@patricks2645 2 жыл бұрын
Rune Knight x Bladesinger = never failing concentration checks
@flickerr.6775
@flickerr.6775 2 жыл бұрын
Well, if the weapons became like the ones in the monster manual, well, RK would be broken as hell 2d12 x4 > 8d12 a turn, having the chance to double if it crits
@binolombardi
@binolombardi 3 жыл бұрын
Giants might and stone rune each taking a bonus action takes a while to set up...
@Sarinadragon
@Sarinadragon 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video, been enjoying all your coverage of the Tasha’s content. I will say honestly this just feels like one of the weaker subclasses to me, so I was very interested to hear your opinion. I do agree the rune effects are strong but at the same time they are a single time between short rests which can be hit or miss how often they happen and then some of the effects either aren’t good enough or don’t scale like the fire rune chains. Other than making yourself large to provide being an obstruction, I feel like this class should have removed the giant aspect entirely. Focus more on expanding the rune book as well as having scaling better done, maybe would overlap with the Eldritch Knight a bit but it’s hard to say. I want to like this, I really do, but I can’t help but feel that having abilities that work all the time on a resource system or not is more effective than one good shot and it’s gone leaving you with basic fighter compared to Battlemaster or even Samurai. Finally as you and another commenter have said, the subclass is starved for bonus actions and reactions leaving you having to make difficult choices all the time in combat when to do what every turn. I’ll be honest, Rune Knight doesn’t feel like it was playtested before release.
@elliotbryant3459
@elliotbryant3459 3 жыл бұрын
Ya, I also find the Giant thematics kind of unnecessary and think generic runes might have been cooler and more versatile, allowing for more options. -It is pretty disappointing at level 3 when you only have 3 abilities and your subclass starts shutting off after 1 use, but Rune Knight is crazy strong. It might not be as versatile as Eldritch Knight or battlefield controlling as the Battle Master but it does things they either wish they could or can barely ever do, and that usually have ongoing effects rather than instantaneous/one round effects. -And at level 15 they get 2 uses for each of their 5 runes per short rest -Also 5+ giant's might uses and 5+ runic shield uses per long rest -while Battle master only has 6 dice per short rest, eldritch knight has 9 spell slots per Long Rest [4 1st, 3 2nd, 2 3rd], -arcane archer still has 2 shots per short rest (+1 on initiative if at 0), -psi warrior has only 10 dice (+1/short rest) -used for all of their subclass abilities per Long Rest, -and samurai still only has 3 advantage rounds per Long Rest (+1 on initiative if at 0) and an occasional extra attack [bearing in mind that a failed save against the fire rune could restrain for up to a minute providing attack advantage to all for the duration, preventing movement, dealing fire damage and disadvantage to their attacks and dex saves -w/o a costing your bonus action].
@reespewa
@reespewa 3 жыл бұрын
Had similar feelings. The runes aren't a flexible resource like battlemaster dice or EK's spell slots so feels less fun to manage this resource. I also feel like the Giant theme makes the subclass flavour too narrow. It could've been drawing on the power of languages monstrous species instead: Draconic, Giant, Sylvan, Primordial etc. I would probably propose this as a way of reskinning the class to take flavour from any of the games monsters! Also not enough rune choices means that at high levels the subclass doesn't feel very diverse. This used to be an issue with Battlemaster but with more manoeuvres available this has been fixed.
@TainakaRicchan
@TainakaRicchan 3 жыл бұрын
regarding rerols on advantage or disadvantage: I tink the most common interpretation is, that you reroll one of the d20 (unless the wording says to reroll the entire check) and then apply (dis)advantage with the one original rol and the oine new roll. But I don'T know where i picked up this interpretation.
@Ramschat
@Ramschat 3 жыл бұрын
What? So why is it worded so different from the lucky feat, if people mean it to work similar to that!?
@TainakaRicchan
@TainakaRicchan 3 жыл бұрын
@@Ramschat The difference is: Lucky lets you roll an additional d20 and then choose among all rolled die. this has several effects: a) you are not forced to use the new result, as the old result is preserved, b) lucky effe4ctvly overrides disadvantage, and this is intentional. in case of "defensive lucky" this is slightly different, but you still roll an additional die, and chose betweeen the roll of the creature (wich already has evaluated for (dis)advantage) and yours. any "single die rerolls" let you reroll a single die, and you have to use the new result, this means, in a disadvantage case, it cannot get better then the die you DIDNT reroll, and in case of advantage, it cannot get worse. In case of a straight roll, it can go either way.
@Ramschat
@Ramschat 3 жыл бұрын
@@TainakaRicchan I forgot about the part where you have to take the new result. Though in fairness, the attack has already been determined to hit before you do this, so the only downside is that it might turn it into a critical hit.
@Ramschat
@Ramschat 3 жыл бұрын
With runic shield specifically, it says "reroll the d20", so in that case I agree it would reroll one die. Though there is room for interpretation
@TainakaRicchan
@TainakaRicchan 3 жыл бұрын
@@Ramschat Yeah, there is a lot of room for interpretation,. I forgot about the part that you use the shield after it is determiend to hit, so my best interpretation in this case would be, that a single d20 is rerolled, regardless of advantage and disadvantage and the new result is used. this is absed on the interpretation, that advantage/disadvantage "collapse" to one final die after determining wich die is used die to the circumstances.
@cradillium7089
@cradillium7089 2 жыл бұрын
Gargantuan faeries are canon now!
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