Little Mac has something that no other character will ever have, the heart of a champ

"His side B is very good recovery" *Watches joker grapple 50 ft off the stage*

Hey, I've mained Ike since Brawl released. I remember the years when performing NAir once meant you just killed yourself. And look at it now. Anything can happen, Mac mains. You've just got to keep fighting.

As a mac main since smash 4 this felt like I was in a therapy session.

Who would win? An inconsistent, bad designed piece of doodoo or A very optimistic boi

I think his design is purposefully flawed. He has always been an underdog. That's what makes winning with him so satisfying. I do think they've been overdoing it just a bit though. Nerfing an underdog just seems cruel.

Mac in normal smash: meh Mac in WoL: *deep breath* ONE PAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWNCH!

From a mac main to a mac main, this makes me teary-eyed.

Little Mac: the character that is pretty much inarguably the worst character in the game and yet still nobody wants to fight against him.

"Little Mac has the single worst counter in the game" Mii Brawler wants to: -Know your location

Any character mains: - Your main is bad. - NOOOO it's perfect!!1!!1 Little Mac mains: - Your main is bad. - We know.

When game he comes from is all about dodging and punishing you would think his Dodge wouldn't be such trash

Peanut: _"I'm gonna pretend I didn't hear that"_

13:37 I got so used to Ultimate Knockback that I thought that wasn't going to kill

Nintendo: Does not nerf any of the OP characters. Also NIntendo: Nerfs little mac into non-existence.

Solution to platform camping, make his moves destroy platforms

To make Mac slightly viable is: 1- Removing his penalty of using Side B once. 2- Improving his grab range and at least giving back throw a more knockback, so it wouldn't be a situational kill option at 145%. 3- Arranging his airdodge to have a more decent distance and functionality. 4- Fix some inconsistencies on his ground game for his follow-ups

I feel like Ken and Ryu do pretty much everything that Little Mac should have been able to do. AND THEY HAVE PROJECTILES!!

I swear...whenever I play against ppl that use Mac, I just feel so bad. Like not in a condescending way, but just that, I know macs recovery is ass and the second I push them far from the ledge, I gotta watch them fall to there doom. Had so many Mac players just SD on there last stock when I still have 3 stocks or 2 stocks. I literally find myself apologizing when I send them far away and watch them drop with no chance to get back. I even tried using Mac myself and realized...this man needs a saving grace. Like get this boi some milk containers full of buffs. 😢

I said from the very beginning that Mac is a completely misdesigned character within the context of SSB's general flow. The fact that he loses to pretty much every character in the game simply due to his terrible air-game is an almost insane conceptual issue, and basically makes him unsalvageable without actual redesigns. Buffs alone won't balance him out - he needs new moves. A good anti-air, an anti-projectile, and a proper setup tool to make him more unpredictable, in addition to giving him actual advantages (like way superior shield damage or less endlag on whiff).

I don't understand why Sakurai cannot have Mac's Side B have reset ; - ;

They should have designed Mac to consistently play like he looks in Replay Hut videos, dancing around his opponent and pulling off Sheik combos with the perfect precision and execution, like a real boxer does.

"Okay. Little Mac. We made his ground game about as good as a realistic boxer should be, and as a result his aerial game isn't his forte!" "But what about if he wants to get a kill around the edges of the blast zone, where it's just plain easier to kill? What if he's getting pressured off stage in a game where you die if you're off of the stage?" "Pssh! Then just Don't Get Hit™!" "You know he isn't the fastest, bulkiest, nor the hardest hitting character in the game right?" "Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh THE DIE-HARD PLAYERS WILL ADAPT OKAY?"

4:40 You forgot one major perk here my dude *-DORIYAH!*

I think that Mac could vastly be improved by the reworking of a single move, his counter. Both Incineraor and Joker have shown us just how powerful it is to have a counter that boosts your stats and moveset, giving the same thing to Mac would help him immensely. Imagine having a counter that fills up your KO meter, especially if you'd give Mac the option to hold down counter like Joker can. Mac's problems with projectiles would largely be solved, people would have to actually fight Mac. Mac would have a decent landing option, but he would still have bad recovery. If they rework his counter, Mac will jump from the absolute bottom tier to mid-tier in a heartbeat.

I have mained little Mac since the dawn of smash 4 and continue to do so in ultimate and I can say I have NEVER seen that happen in ultimate. 21:50... This character is a travesty I tell you... EDIT: also the 2nd worst nerf Mac got was the removal of the orange alt...

Shout out to the people who main little mac y'all are the real champs 😭🏆

Seeing the footage of the marth and simon camping at the end absolutely enrages me. Its completely unacceptable for a character to be that shit its infuriating

James charles : makes a 40 minute video exposing tati Tati : makes a 40 minute video exposing james charles This guy : makes a 40 minute video exposing a video game boxer

You know, when I play Mac (I main him too), I don't feel like I'm playing smash, I feel like I'm playing Punch Out. In his own games, Mac's always been at a disadvantage, and I feel this translates well into smash. Weather or not this feeling of constantly being behind your opponent was intentional or not, Mac is and always will be the underdog. This is actually something a lot of people can relate with, me included. How many people out there are the best at what you want to be good at? Exactly. People can relate with being the guy who seems like the whole world is against them, but still have the strength to fight for their goal. They fight not because they WILL win, but because they CAN win, even against all odds. That's why I will never betray my main, no matter how low he gets. I'll be there with him to the end.

Little Mac suffers a lot basically for being a noob killer. And Ganondorf is even better at that anyway.

“LIL MAC MAINS RISE UP” “wait” “he can’t do that”

good lord smash 4 looks like its in slow-mo when shit gets hit hard, maybe they could make his neutral b a charge and store style move like samus neutral b or dk's. would need some more start up frames but it would make it dangerous and usable

As a Little Mac Main in smash 4, I was so ticked off about all the people who got their hands on the Ultimate Demo and said "Little Mac is so busted, Nintendo needs to tone him down!" As soon as the game came out we found put he was not that great, you can't make such rash decisions based on a first impression of a volatile character. I'll still play Mac and have a good time, in spite of his flaws.

Who would win... A goddess with a magic stick Or A really good boxer

Since Mac is a character that relies on reads, what if they implemented a feature that extended the length of his side-b and up-b for every successful counter? Or better yet, what if he had a Revenge feature like Incineroar that made his aerials slightly better

Nice to see someone speak about a character most people forget exists

"Buffer system" Is that whats causing everyone I know to airdodge and SD at least once a night

I main Little Mac, it suits me perfectly because I have no off-stage game.

Despite everything, there's still so many of us who choose to play Little Mac, and are fighting against all odds. I just found Peanut on YT about 2 months ago and his dedication to Mac is unlike anything I've ever seen. It gives me hope in my little Mac heart

So here are my proposed changes for a better Little Mac: The main goals here are to make his weakness less apparent while keeping his playstyle in tact. Let me know what you guys think. 1) give grounded side-B really good invincibility / armor. This would help him beat zoning. 2) make it so that he can store the charge on neutral-B. This gives him a way to force an approach from the opponent, and gives him access to a really scary kill move. 3) aerial neutral-b gives him vertical momentum at a similar angle to wolf flash. This gives him one more recovery option, and helps him deal with platform camping just a little bit. 4) completely change down-b. Instead of counter, give him an invincible dash downward, similar to Lucario in Project M. He now has a better landing option and can pseudo-waveland.

This is a really good video and I appreciate the time spent analyzing this character, but this just made want to cry because of how bad mac actually is.

Ways I would buff Mac: -Give him back his Smash 4 combos -Give him the least amount of end lag in the game out of all of his moves -Increase the range slightly on his side+b -Increase range significantly on up+b -Give him more damage output -Make his counter similar to Grininja's, giving an answer to projectiles -Give his aerials a bit more viability. Just a bit. Give them more range or keeo them out longer Ways Sakurai and his tean buff Mac: _MoRe SuPeR aRmOr_

WELP looks like this story gets a happy ending! Post patch 13

What if his side B in ultimate had heavy armor in terms of buffing recovery? You can decide the max tanking percent of the heavy armor. Or maybe light heavy armor for charging smash attacks so weak hits don't make him flinch when charging? If these changes were to come as well as other buffs I would not have issue with it because of the counterplay.

I think if you take mac versus peach you get a perfect example of just how important aerial mobility is. Peach has decent to bad moves all around but shes a top tier skill pick because of the aerial mobility .

Can YOU grab someone with boxing gloves! That's what I thought

18:47 are we all gonna just ignore that amazingly big brain play, extending the hitbox on the bike

It sounds rude, but I hope this video becomes irrelevant soon.

I would give an extremity for there to be a video this well-made and informative on every Smash character

Little Mac is basically a man in depression arc.

How to fix him -Give his KO invulnerability frames until he can react again -Give back his down tilt and make better his grounded moves in general -Make better his airdodge -Give him back his side B when hit after using it while airborne -Change his neutral B, now it has a consistent hitbox and it can be charged -Change his aerials so they have angles that give them ultra combo potential, but giving them the same endlag and startlag they have now (This is important for the next point) -Changing down B, now it is not a regular counter but when someone hits you while using it, all of your aerials, tilts and jabs change their frame data for a reasonable amount of time so that they start on frame 2-3 and they can be cancelled in any moment of the animation to use another move, any normal move that seems affected by this property and has kill power lowers it power so instead of it being a kill option it turns into a combo option, this special is called "fast frame" or "fatal frame" -Make his KO consistent

They should've made his counter in ultimate the combo counter custom move he had in 4. It'd give him a unique counter move, and it'd be a better representation of his games seeing as when you get a hit off on the opponent in punch-out, you generally don't just get one strong hit and instead get set up for a string of hits.

#BuffTheMac ? Maybe? I mean Ken was kinda laughable in Ultimate and then 3.0 came and buffed him makig him a real threat, so why not Mac?

They did buff his Jab a lot in 3.1.0. Surprised that that wasn't mentioned

mac isn't a glass cannon, more like a good cannon that's been sawed in half.

Sakurai designed Little Mac for For Glory, and only For Glory :0

Personally ways that I think they should buff Mac: • Increase his grab range • Give him a dodge effect like Bat Within or Foresight, but give him either more armor or to not take any damage when performing it. The idea behind this is to match his style of combat in Punch Out (Dodge and counter! Dodge and counter! -Doc Louis) and give him a better way to deal with air threats. To a similar effect, they could buff his counter too. I’m not saying for them to increase his damage though because Little Mac deals very little damage in his games as well. He’s meant to not be the strongest.

This video gave me the inspiration to create a similar video about kirby, as I've been feeling disillusioned with him since the beginning of smash 4. Thank you making a great video Rekzius!

"Buffer system doesn't do anything for anyone" Ice Climber mains: hold my hammers

THANK YOU! for this video. I've been saying for a while now that people who ask to get buffs for Little Mac need to realise that it won't make him good. Buffing what's good about him won't make him better, and buffing what's bad about him still won't make those moves good because they need a complete overhaul as moves. Little Mac as a character is just stuck in the wrong game and I struggle to even call him functional, having half the moveset that other characters do. I REALLY wished they'd change him going into Ultimate but at this point they might as well remove him just so they can add him back with serious changes.

"The sun may not look as bright on the horizon as I originally thought, but is that because the sun is rising or setting? I guess only time will tell." Dang, great way to end the video. I've always wanted to main little mac, but I don't have a wii u or switch. But If ever I do, I'll play little mac from time to time, and will always hope he gets buffs.

In smash 4 I played mac a lot and also thought that the counter wasn’t great, but couldn’t think of something better. After seeing incineroar’s down b in ultimate though, I started to feel that revenge is exactly what mac should’ve got ...

I don't quite like Ultimate's KO punch. Goodness, he kills himself if he uses it even slightly close to a ledge. That little jump he does just throws him off.

And now we have Peanut making Little Mack look like a god.

Dtilt UpB isn't gone. It goes by Dempsey tilt now. Watch Biglightning

Little Mac's only move that is based off of gameplay from from his home game is also the worst of it's kind in Ultimate. R.I.P. Down B.

Little Mac is basically Rock Lee without the agility and boosts

4:44 PICHU WANTS TO KNOW YOUR LOCATION

I'm only watching this 40 MINUTES VIDEO ABOUT LITTLE MAC (of all things) because I know you make quality content xD It's crazy tho

On the fix Little Mac Project: 1. Down-tilt leads into combos ala Smash 4- return _all_ of his combos from Smash 4 2. Initial jump is higher (enough to reach lower platforms so gimping isn't much of an issue) 3. Side-b "recharges" when you get hit (makes being edge-guarded manageable instead of impossible) 4. Preference- Make his counter the Slip Counter from Smash 4's custom moveset. Less damage and knockback, but faster and knocks your enemies slightly away from you, allowing for combos instead of one strong hit 5. Something no one's talked about- allowing Little Mac to "pocket" the B-neutral, similar to DK's charge punch or Samus' Charge Shot. Despite the terrible lag, the mind games would be unreal if you could that move stored up and unleash it in any time during the match- you could use it as a quick movement tool, a way to circumvent mac's range problems (SA should be>most projectiles), and even as a way to recover if you're off the stage and have no other options The other options were super armor on Side-B and up-B, though i'm not sure if that would completely break him

I feel like they need to remove the side-B flaw so you can use it more than once in the air and give it back it range on the ground. Remove super armor on his smash attacks but replace them with some type of shockwave,make it someone like Roy's sword mechanic where it dose more damage if his fist hits. Give back his tilt combos back,and give more range for his grab. Make his throws more easy to combo with. and more his jump a little higher and fix his shitty air dodge.

I love talking about buffing characters and how to go about it, personally I really want Kirby to be buffed cuz he’s close to being good but he’s clearly being held back. Mac just feels like they wrote it in paper and said it was fine but in reality it was not as good as they thought, I’d love to show you and discuss my Buff list ideas for Mac if you’d like ;)

As a kirby main, I understand your troubles in smash 4

They just need to make him actually scary on the ground. Give him old dtilt Side b again if he gets hit and.it make go over projectiles. A actual grab Safe moves

I hate how when I'm fighting someone with mac and win and they say you only won because the KO punch buts its because he disregards it and forgets it goes through shields

and my future dream is... to be the greatest little mac main

Bro he literally has boxing gloves on, no wonder his grab is ca-ca smh.

How to make Mac's neutral 4x better instantly: Allow him to combo DThrow into KO Punch Let him grab release/DThrow into upward FSmash Let him punch projectiles out of the air consistently

“You did good son... you did good...” -Doc Brown

This is one of the best Videos I have seen about Mac and Smash in general. I agree with everything you said here. Very well organized and well put together video. Spread the word guys. #BUFFMAC

The blue costume was my favorite too! Idk what they're doing tbh

*Every smash player in existence: oMG LIttlE maC IS sO bad, wHo PLaYs hIm?* *Peanut: Allow me to introduce myself.*

As a secondary character, Little Mac got a major buff in Smash Ultimate in that stage select comes before character select. If your other character can deal with tri-plats, you can stage strike other stages, and pull out Little Mac only if the remaining stage is reasonably favorable for him.

Smash Community: Little Mac Sucks! Also the Smash Community: They can't buff little mac he'll be so toxic if he got buffed!

🎶He might not be very tall He might not reach you at all But one punch, and you will FALL!!🎶😉

So a couple of things that this video didn't mention: Smash 4: -Neutral B is an extremely situational move. Nearly useless, but it still has it's application. Having even a little bit of heavy armor makes it ideal to be able to counter rapid jabs. It was even a consistent way for me to punish Marth/Lucina's down angled dancing blade finisher every single time because of how weak the individual stabs were at the end. Given enough distance, neutral B was also a really good option after a shield break, being able to take opponent's stock at earlier percentages. The distance was consistent enough that when I saw other little macs charging even a smidge closer to the opponent, it was clear that the move was going to miss. -When neutral B turns into KO punch, the move also turned into an option to use for recoveries. If you were sent close to the top corners of the screen, you can use KO punch's momentum to get yourself back onto stage. So not only was it a move to early KO your opponents, but to help yourself back onto stage as well. Also, the boost that you get from jump cancelling the move wasn't mentioned, despite the fact that it covers ground pretty well, with an instant version catching people off guard. Oh, and Gazelle punch. -I was honestly surprised that you didn't mention about the angled f-smashes, more importantly, body blow (down-angled). Sure, the move wasn't the best thing in the world, but it was his answer for people who are more shield-happy. It did a decent amount of damage to shields, and it was pretty satisfying to pop shields using that move. It was more troublesome that it could be punished by tether grab characters, but with how Smash 4's mechanics worked, you could run past your opponent to perform the move on your opponent's back. -Counter is an interesting move since I generally didn't use it for it's intended purpose; I used it as another option to recover. With how mac's counter works, you can get some horizontal (which is a much needed direction for mac imho) distance, in which you can then use double jump or up-b to get back on stage. The move proved to be EXTREMELY inconsistent with the PK boys' thunder, but it was still another tool for recovery. Also in most situations that you would use a counter, you can easily replace with an armored move for a much bigger punishment. All in all, I believe that little mac was a character that was designed for smash 4, that unfortunately didn't get the fine tuning he needed to get into smash ultimate. The main mechanic that a lot of people didn't like about running past shield was one of Mac's tools to keep the aggression going, and with how the new side b works, tech jumping off walls can actually lead into an SD (I don't think it's fair to make someone lose a stock for executing a tech.). If anybody reads until the end of this post, I thank you from the bottom of my heart. Little mac was my main. I really enjoyed the time that I took to learn this character, and I liked just how much Rekzius put in effort to make this video.

At 4:43 as soon as I saw rage exists, I thought of the insane mario up tilt and up air chain. Ah, the Mario glory days....

I genuinely believe little mac needs to be completely reworked. No more of this 'not an air fighter,' shit. I feel like little mac is less fun simply for the fact you have 5 moves you don't/ can't want to use. He needs to be a normal character. To trade for his grounded moves make him more technical, like dancing blade but many more.

I actually disagree about his new Neutral-B. I'd say the move is probably one of his biggest buffs from the transitions to Ultimate. You can land with it, not reliably, but against certain characters (pretty much all of them with weak aerials like Sheik or Multihits like Ness or Samus), it's actually a pretty good option in more matchups than I thought. You can Tech-Chase with it after your opponent missed the tech against an F-Tilt or sth, and if you react quick enough, it's actually pretty consistent. And most importantly you can - again depending on the matchup - ledge-trap extremely well with it. Just space yourself away from the edge that a getup-attack wouldn't hit you. If they don't have a strong projectile or an aerial with huge range and damage, they can't hit you. If they regular getup, you release; if they getup attack, you release; if they roll getup, you reverse release; if they jump getup, you shield-cancel into up-B; if they hang on the ledge they lose their invulnerability, so you can shieldcancel and run up to down-tilt them, forcing them to pick an option right now or probably die. I've tried arround a lot with that move, and while it's still pretty niche, it at least has many niches and got me quite a few kills over time. Definitely not the most reliable special, but a massively underrated one IMO. But that aside I agree with at least most of the stuff you said. Something you didn't really talk about is his "new" KO Punch. Not losing it over time is nice, the added range onto platforms is nice as well, but the Hitbox is terrible, you have almost no horizontal range, a blind spot just in front of you, the move sometimes b-reverses off-stage for me and kills me, the lag is still incredible and it doesn't even get super armor. Of all his moves, why would you just let me waste my KO Punch just to get interrupted in the first few frames? And there are also no combo's into it anymore (at any% that would kill). Whyyyyyyy...

"Personally, I prefer the *GROUND."*

How to make Mac good: Make his neutral B savable like Donkey Kong's punch. Cut the endlag by half. Make Mac be able to control his up b by slightly tilting it left or right in the air, like he can in the ground. Make counter stronger. Make KO punch be time limited instead of damage limited, like cloud's limit. Cut endlag by half. Give slightly more super armor to Neutral B as well. 15%.

6:48 but it is so satisfying to land cause its basically a *FULL COUNTER* 8:20 are you telling me that a BOXER Can not even CLINCH without being at a disadvantage.

As an elite smash little mac I have to say I am a elite smash little mac as if I'm vegan

i genuinely never thought that id ever see a serious video about mac, let alone a 40 MINUTE VIDEO about mac.

Drops like Hits like Dashes like Recovers like A brick.

I see your point, and it honestly makes sense. But I’ve been Maining Little Mac for a while, and these problems are EASILY worked around. It mainly requires hit-and-run tactics on the ground, as well as being extremely defensive. Let them come to you; that’ll have a far lower chance of getting exploited. Spirits also help if enabled, and the Big Bee Style dojo also helps counter Mac’s bad jumping a bit. I still think that Mac is a good character. Not AMAZING, but still good: he gets the job done and WINS in the right hands. Plus, like his roots as a boxer, getting used to him is grueling and sometimes unfair at first. But with enough practice over time, Mac CAN become viable. Plus there’s also future patches possibly buffing him a bit. Tiers don’t matter, honestly; if it can KO effectively, it works in some aspect. The ONLY reason he’s Bottom Tier is because of the bad air moves. He may be the worst tier, but he’s FAR from the worst character. It’s like being the Minor Circuit Champ; lowest group, highest rank of said group. I’m honestly just glad you went in-depth on this instead of using a blanket statement. But if one can give Mac enough time and practice in Ultimate, he can deliver IN SPITE of his weaknesses.

It’s so weird that how little mac a ground focus character doesn’t work but Jigglypuff an air focus character can.

They just nerfed him lol. 4.0 is halarious.

I always hear about how easy he is to destroy, and how horrible he is, yet I feel like I see half the community saying they main him