All of that was covered in the podcast. You should listen to the entire podcast before saying “what they don’t tell you “

Actually, all of that was covered in the series. Listen to more than the first episode before passing judgment.

Dude. You totally should listen to the whole story before making broad, sweeping overtures.

My stepfather needed spinal surgery 3 years ago. He has a degenerative spine condition so they needed to fuse 4 or 5 lumbar vertebrae. The surgeon did the surgery from the front. The surgeon prescribed NOTHING for pain. I have never seen my stepfather so pale. He was in so much pain he just writhed and moaned. They finally got him pain meds 12 hours after he had arrived on the floor. Which caused another problem as the surgeon then didn’t prescribe anything to prevent or ease constipation. My stepfather is 75 and already has a slow gut. However it got worse. 5 days later they discharged him. He feels pretty good. Seven days later, he was in terrible pain and could no longer stand much less walk. His legs are swollen. My sister-in-law is an ER nurse and after hearing this, she tells my mom to take him to the ER because she suspects blood clots. The ER says he is fine. My SIL told him to go straight back and demand a Doppler test. They immediately readmitted him. She saved his life. He had to have filters put in and they found a large clot within inches of his heart. This happened because the surgeon forgot to prescribe blood thinners. Over the next two years, my stepfather has needed 4 surgeries to try and fix the damage done but in the end he had to have a spinal stimulator put in to relieve his chronic pain. I will NEVER forgive that surgeon for what he put my family through.

You're making me think back to when I was in high school and volunteered at the local children's hospital. There was this infant on the surgical short stay unit that had a g-tube. I will never forget the first time I assisted a nurse with feeding that infant through the g-tube- she explained that the infusion must be slow or the child will throw it all back up. She explained how holding the tube lower slowed the infusion and holding it higher sped it up. Anyway, there was a different nurse there that I assisted with a feeding later on who held it up high to make the infusion go as quickly as possible. I asked her about it and she said something to the effect of "the kid's getting fed, right? I'm doing my job." A short while later the infant threw it all back up. I asked the nurse why she was a nurse since it didn't seem as though she liked her job and her response was "I realized I didn't want to do this too late in my training. I had too much debt and didn't want to start over." I was 16 or 17 and just in shock. I didn't know what to do with that response so I just kept my mouth shut. It upset me then and still pisses me off to this day, almost 20 years later. Some people just aren't meant to work in healthcare.

It's been said before: Somewhere in America there is a group of doctors who went to all the right American medical schools and came in dead last in their class and barely squeaked through graduation. And tomorrow some has an appointment with them.

So... I started this podcast, but someone put a lot of time and effort into it-- so I just could not continue.

Since starting my career in medicine I find that the majority of great docs aren’t afraid to say “I don’t know”. It’s a generality, but, I feel like docs who are willing to admit limits in their abilities are also willing to question their perceptions and learn more.

Yes, yes, yes! As a chronic pain patient, I always interview several physicians if I move or someone retires and it has served me fairly well, but suggesting I ask their nurses, PAs, techs, is genius! This should be common knowledge and I intend to share your message! Thank you so much for making this video!

As a nurse we cannot, without possible repercussions, say to a patient not to go to a certain doctor because of whatever reason. We do, however, say, "If it were me or my family member I would prefer Dr.Soandso because I know more about them and have seen such great things blah blah..." I can't say, "Dr.Poopybutt is a drunk, awful doctor who has the most ridiculous complications I've ever seen." I know the nursing managers know and definitely most other staff knows. Not sure what else I could do. Anonymous tip??? It is honestly frightening.

The Dr. Death podcast did feel overproduced and dramatized, but the story told scared the hell out of me. It was there that I learned not even all doctors were competent. An idea I hadn't even entertained.

I SO agree with you on all points. Our current culture (at least where I live) is such that administrators rarely side with non-physicians and the nurse, NP/PA, manager who brings up the concern is the one who receives disciplinary action, training on how to deal with others, and (sometimes) termination of employment. We need to get to a place where practice related feedback can be viewed not as an attack but rather as a genuine attempt to improve each other and keep patients safe. Sadly, the egos that cause the majority of practice issues are the same barrier that will thwart attempts to change practice.

So I’m with you on most things but you sorta missed it with Dr Death. I think if you had listened to the rest of the pod casts you would have realized the people referring to him didn’t really have any idea how horrid he was. his reputation was really kept to the chatter in the OR and amongst the surgeons. He had no negative online reviews (which blows my mind). Some of his pts were self referrals or second opinions. How ever I do agree that many times docs will tell you who is good but pt options are limited by insurance. Despite being a little overproduced you should try and listen to more of the podcast because it gets better.

I've listened to the entire pod cast, totally excellent take on all of the systemic failures that produced and allowed him to go on maiming and killing!

The podcast covered all of his cases, showing that Duntsch was a sociopath who did not care that he had killed and maimed patients. I listened to the podcast in disbelief. Normally, if a surgeon kills a patient, there would be remorse, regret, and a self-questioning of his or her skills, but Duntsch didn't react normally, and carried on, blaming the problems on others or fate. The point of the podcast, I believe, is that the hospital administrators did nothing to stop him, and Baylor had him continue operating after several botched surgeries. In addition, two surgeons, a neurosurgeon and a vascular surgeon, witnessed Duntsch's butchery, and Dr. Kirby, the vascular surgeon, even stopped him from continuing to operate on a patient, probably saving the patient's life. They also wrote letters to the board with medical records, called the medical board, and got law enforcement involved. I'm a physician, and I would report a colleague who could potentially harm people. I believe most docs would-at least the ones I've known.

I feel like you, and your ZDoggMD team, are my virtual muses in the way you address and deliver important topics/subjects. I can then go back and discuss these with my Hospice team members. Thank you so much! 💚🌺💚 #NoMoreDebatesJustVaccinate #AskQuestions #BeOpenToIdeas #WorkTogetherForThePatients #SeeSomethingSaySomething (To anyone you feel safe to do so with)

Great, so now I’m even more afraid to go see a doctor ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I stopped watching this video after 10 seconds because the guy doesn't seem to know what he is talking about, but what's wrong about this video is that he doesn't really cover the scariest thing.

Great video, kudos. 👍

Good points. BTW I loved the podcast and thought it was exceptionally well done.

Who learned 007 from greys anatomy. 🙋‍♂️🙋‍♂️🙋‍♂️

If you listened to the whole thing, doctors DID step up, as well as a nurse. Good for thought.

I have a surgeon at a VA hospital that has fucked me up twice. Other doctors have said they wouldn't want surgery by him. I'm suffering everyday and other doctors are covering for him, while my medical records are intentionally "doctored" so that other doctors don't have the correct information to fix me. I've proven it with the hospital during an ethics consult meeting and nothing is being done about it. The pain is so bad that it's causing me such misery that I've thought about suicide everyday. I am still holding out hope that other doctors will believe me instead of the corrupted medical records.

"I didn't listen to the full podcast, but here is the part no one talks about" ... uh ok, you act like you're too smart for something because it's a radio drama, yet you don't hesitate to make yourself look like a fool. They did talk about this in the podcast

Hey, you're speaking FACTS. Whoever works in the medical field will know what he is saying is 💯 true. There should be a reviewing of all surgeons on standards of their practice, starting with the number of complications each surgeon gets for their patients, and if it were preventable or not.

I agree with your suggestions-very well said. However, your arrogance and complete disregard for the podcast you are referencing (not even taking the time to know correct name of the production company) was incredibly unnecessary. Perhaps you were trying to be internet funny but in my opinion and perspective: it exuded utmost disrespect. Additionally, the very issue you were addressing was mentioned in the series. Again just illustrates how educating yourself on something prior to criticizing it would be best.

As a retired RN in the pre and post areas, I have reported physicians to admin. Or, to doctors they work with. Nothing gets done. Eventually they move elsewhere, super scary. I think nobody wants to get involved for understandably reasons. But, on the other side, I have seen unhappy family members contact the medical board, they make the docs jump through hoops and pay fines for things that never happened🤯. So glad to be retired, but seriously worry about the future of medicine, especially with the so called recent election outcome🤯🤮🤬

I agree with you, something needs to be done. I hope the Health care system can make some good changes and I know you are doing an amazing job. Keep information coming to us so we can be knowledgeable :)

From the standpoint of an OR tech, it's pretty obvious that our hospital has to make money and the OR is the leading source of revenue - specifically spine & joint surgeries. There are a couple of surgeons who struggle, rely too much on sales reps, who have more post op complications than others - I wouldn't refer anyone I know to those doctors, just like you said. I still have to work with those doctors and all I can do is advocate for the patient as much as possible while I'm with them.

ZDogg I agree with you 100% There is a right way and a wrong way to "call someone" out on their practice performance. I've been in healthcare for a long time and I think it's important to put the right people in charge who have the skills to address patient safety concerns when someone's practice is in question either because of lack of knowledge, mental health issues and addictions, or just plain careless and outright disregard for standard of care. It is much easier to turn a blind eye and allow behaviors to continue until something tragic occurs. There needs to be a way that the Medical Board, Nursing Board, etc. is more forthcoming in how they can help the group of individuals they license where it is appropriate to provide retraining and rehabilitation programs so that those who are able to return to practice can do so without a scarlet letter on their back. When the leaders become examples and encourage holding our peers to high standards we may not be as uncomfortable in situations that arise of talking to each other about concerns before you have a healthcare provider who has been practicing a good number of years and becomes known as the one "you wouldn't let touch your dog ( in my case cat!). It may be that Dr. Jones just doesn't have the skill set/ability to understand the knowledge necessary to be a cardiovascular surgeon however would make a great general surgeon. Nancy nurse is great in ED however is not able to notice the subtle changes in assessment and trending to make the best ICU nurse. As you mentioned, not wanting to put ourself in the spot light, often times we become sympathetic and make excuses for our peers to rationalize why that individual is not practicing at the top of their game or even apathetic because we are just to busy to address issues that we feel are not directly affecting us. I am a Nurse Practitioner now, however, I spent several years in administration. If I always put the patient at the center of my actions then it made it easier to address practice concerns. You want to maintain respect and empathy yet drive home the safety of the patient and the provider/caregiver. If the provider/caregiver can unlearn bad practices, accept retraining where needed, seek counseling/medication for mental illness or enter rehab then hopefully all sides win. The provider/caregiver probably will be unable to return to same role in same hospital however, will have a fair chance at redemption.

Um, yeah. Here's the thing, Ive been an RN for 33 years and if you would have the nerve to call out a provider who is bringing money into the hospital system it would be your neck and not theirs.

Do you have any comments on drug trials? I just saw a video on, "The drug trials that went wrong: emergency at the hospital (medical documentary) - Real Stories". I would like to hear your opinion on that case if you have the time to indulge me.

What I see more than incompetence is people who simply don't care. I've worked with people who are sloppy, consultants who write notes but may not see the patient, or will render an opinion and sign off despite the patient still being unstable, or refusing to do something that will help the patient because they can't be bothered. More than anything you need to be compassionate to be a good medical provider and a lot of people aren't. They're in it for ego, glamour, and money or only want to do the things that are exciting not the mundane things that patients might need.

You can’t give your takeaway when you couldn’t even sit through the podcast.

As a medical student I witnessed a male health care worker tell a teenage female pt in a psych unit he would stick his foot up her ass after he saw her making fun of his limp. It’s not a surgical procedure but I was the only person who witnessed it besides some of the other teen girls and felt that for a teen with a history of sexual trauma that health care worker was extremely inappropriate. I actually filled out paper work and reported what I saw. I felt bad for the guy with the limp cause I’m sure it sucks when a pt is making fun of you, but you should NEVER talk to a patient like that even if they’re talking shit about you. Things I haven’t reported are the negative things attendings have said to me because I fear what will happen if I do grade wise and my future. It’s because they have a certain power people don’t always speak up.

This guy isn’t lying. There are too many doctors that aren’t good. I just spent thousands of dollars on dentist that must have just graduated from dental school. I have to go to another doctor to fix everything.

Yeah, no, they mention everything you said. You’re just impatient

Feel like this applies to many fields

We had that ONE ruse on our floor and there were numerous complaints but it takes a lot more than complaining to managers to remedy this kind of situation. One must have written documentation about WITNESSED negligence or incompetence. Once you have made appropriate complaints with documentation then something can be done. Don’t just go to a manager about “scary” “stupid” “incompetent” nurses or doctors.

Agree with many of your statements. What people are glossing over are the people in the training program. These people graduated him despite not having done enough supervised surgeries. If they had his incompetence would have been revealed. People in the training program wrote letters of reference despite never working with him. I think they graduated him thinking he would do research. Not enough money in that.

I like how he disagrees then plugs his 4.99 product

What about the killer docs who move from state to state and around to other hospitals without ANYONE being aware about how much of a danger they are? Ditto nurses...how do the deadly ones get to keep working?

also legally its dangerous. if the doctor goes to court and says that he cant find a job because of you and he would be making 2 million a year you could be forced to pay him 2 million a year for the rest of his life.

The scariest thing is he paid to be rated number one in best docks when he was a butcher

That’s kinda rude not naming the producers of the podcast “whoever they are”…

I'm just a house cleaner today, but I drop out nursing(RN) one year before graduation, and is sad when a house cleaner can see wrong doing, but as you say I keep my mouth closed because it will interfere with my graduation and they will hunter me down but at the end I have to leave because I could no afford being in College forever, also the school system is more interested in cash on you date teach you, all a big scan and shame.

So if I need to ask should I say who is 007?

Wouldn't one open themselves up to being sued for libel if they spoke ill of other doctors? Maybe it's not the fear of being castigated themselves, it's more the fear of being sued and the monetary costs associated with defending oneself.

There is also the thought from admin " but they won't refer pt to our facility." Right.

I agree with you on how no one says nothing at all

We have medical schools, licensing boards, residencies, and board examinations, and STILL we can't seem to weed out these fake and/or incompetent doctors. To me, I think the problem is more than simply the "culture of medicine." Yes, we don't generally like to call each other out as it is seen as unprofessional, especially when we are not involved in the case in question. But what about the hospital administrators who recredential and reappoint these doctors year after year after year, and then blame us for not disagreeing with their decisions? That's why these committees exist - to protect the hospital and the patients, but all to often I find that they either overdo their job and basically protect the existing doctors from competition, or are frankly ineffective and let anyone and everyone in, leading the problem you just mentioned. As a physician, my responsibility is to refer my patients to competent doctors if I can. But this is increasingly difficult as their insurance plans often don't pay for the good doctor, and I am forced to refer to someone I do not know and pray he will have a good outcome.

pretty much the same in every other field. the coworkers maybe the best source of info regarding someone's reputation

I watched you for a long time and trusted you. I am a thinker and I pay attention to everything. It seemed for a while if someone didn't donate money to your channel, you paid them little or no attention on LIVE videos. I am the one who was disabled due to several bad back surgeries. My husband owned the local community pharmacy and still does. This week the "gag order" was lifted and 2 Bills were signed supposedly to lower drug prices. In the entire speech from the President not once was "PHARMACEUTICAL BENEFIT MANAGERS" mentioned. I have seen the figures of the contributions made to the campaigns of elected government officials. I see why they hesitate to restrict the PBM's role in drug overpricing. I was a little pissed when the President signed the bill making it law that musicians receive their royalties. I think they should receive every penny they're entitled to. But I've been writing the President, my Senator, the HHS Secretary, the Chairman of the Reigning Senate Majority for 2 years. I doubt any the musicians has their life on credit cards. I'm ready for the PBM's to find someone else to torture. I want the profits they stole from us just because they could take all our profits and did not have to be transparent or explain the billions of dollars they made over the past few years. HAVE A NICE DAY!

Well the medical error deaths have to come from somewhere...would the supporting staff be considered accessories/accomplices? Even than there is still high percentage of trust for healthcare workers #DoNoHarm

During his residency, there were clear indications of things to come. He was "suspected" of operating under the influence of hard substances in 4th year of residency. Unfortunately, no senior dr can even politely correct trainees these days in US. Otherwise her/his own career will be in jeopardy.

"This will happen again"

"the medical boards are thoroughly corrupt?"

Unless this poor performer is a nurse, then we arrest her!

I don’t disagree on the point that we should LISTEN to people who are below MD credentials. I don’t disagree with what you say about the “preserve the institution at the expense of the service they provide” The problem with the case of Christopher Duntsch is that he did this deliberately. Everything on discovery showed that.

I disagree about what you said about why we never say anything . it’s because when we do nothing is done . Retaliation is likely however . No one is ever held accountable and it’s terrifying . We had a pediatrician here in pa molest his patients and no one ever believed them despite multiple reports . The board let him continue to practice because of his accomplishments… that in itself should tell you that unless you’re important enough to be heard it will continue to happen .

Amen!

There is a caveat to your statement regarding how well members of the medical community know the quality of certain physicians - how long it can take for them to catch on. I had a situation with an Internist that was treating my grandparents. He had recently relocated to our town and was highly thought of by other members of the local medical community. Meanwhile, I personally witnessed his unprofessional behavior during patient visits and his refusal to order specific tests (despite numerous requests from family members that worked in the medical field for decades) hastened my grandfather's death. Another family member filed formal complaints against him and nothing was done. A couple of years later, when I was in nursing school, I spoke to my instructor (who also worked as a triage nurse at a local hospital) about the incident involving my grandfather. She asked for the identity of the doctor and was stunned when I told her. Presumably because of his then- "golden boy" reputation. Meanwhile, a friend of mine started seeing the same doctor. I warned her about him and when she realized that it was the same guy that treated my grandfather, she was shocked. However, she decided to continue seeing him because of his excellent reputation. Fast forward a few years later... My friend started to question some of the choices and behavior of the doctor but was still on the fence about whether to remain his patient. One day, a client of hers who was a nurse at a local hospital came into my friend's work. During the course of their conversation, the nurse discovers who was my friend's doctor. They warn her to move on ASAP and told her that the doctor had several unfortunate incidents on their record and had developed a bad reputation. Needless to say, my friend immediately sought out a new Internist. However, it's been nearly two decades since my friend dropped that doctor and he is STILL practicing in the area.

Facts!!!

What’s really bizarre is that provider that I think is absolute trash will have some patient who doesn’t know any better fooled into thinking they are Gr8

The peer review committee in private,community hospitals already serves this process. My advice is stay away from academic centers if you’re uncertain of the specialist. The trickle down effect of unsuccessful specialists heading back to a university setting to do the high volume that the research academics are not doing is rampant. Stick with community based medicine, bad apples go out of business due to lack of referrals and hospital peer review recommendations.

This reminds me of the Catholic church scandal. People kept moving him around so they didn't get sued. Didn't report him to the medical board because they didn't want to get sued by the doctor. This fucking guy though...what is his point?

we recommend a good mechanic to work on our cars or ones to avoid that rip you off. so the human body is a bit more important than your car....be your own health hero ad Dr. Nandi says. Do your homework always.

I have one surgeon who we just keep an ICU bed on standby two days post op for his infections. He will cut anyone for anything. I swear he would do a hyst on a dude if you let him.

I love this. Yes!!!!

Isn’t hindsight a beautiful thing

I tried listening also but it has wayyyyyy too many commericals, only made it to the 3rd episode. Too many commercials and they're also TOO LONG.

Well, also, it's really hard to accuse someone when you don't have physical proof to present. HIPPA makes it nearly impossible because we all "hear" about how specific patients were butchered, but we cannot provide victims' names because either a) we don't know or b) weren't supposed to know.

As a nurse I’m glad I watched this!!!

Check out the history of the whistleblower and you will see a person and their family ruined. Administration is quite aware of flawed surgeons where I work, yet set protocols to reduce complications for the bedside personnel. This only hinders healthcare workers more. Once complications cause sentinel events and money, does the administration truly get involved. Like any good business.

If you would have listened to the rest of the podcast you could have seen that it wasn’t that simple. The whole case was set on the two variables. Was he a sociopath or was he just a bad Doctor and instead of realizing he is bad at what he does. He does more to try to prove everyone wrong.

We need more websites like Rate My Professor/Yelp for Doctors where we can all openly discuss as a community. It took too damn long for the white coat gods to do shit and 40 (+???) people suffered for life because of it. If they could’ve warned the next… :/ If MD’s are such big honchos they can handle some accountability and transparency. We deserve it as their patients.

whoa.......i’m surprised there is a real dr death named jack kevorkian

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Sorry the producer of the podcast didn't want to sound like a teenager recording in their bedroom with a phone. If that's what invalidates a very well done podcast series enough for you to dismiss it so easily, I don't know what to say other than you wear your arrogance very proudly on your sleeve and I'm just going to not listen to anything past that statement on this video.

Why are M&Ms not held to a higher standard? Either the physician is allowed to gloss over the details or modifies the story to suit his needs. I agree PA/NPs are the first to feel blame-regardless of what the truth is, continuing the hierarchical culture of protecting physicians. How do you change such an ingrained behavior?

Not always true.. many co workers of medical physicians, just say the doctors they are employed by are reeeeealy good. Money sucks!

100% right. Especially dentists. The culture is total bullshit and it's doing real harm. Hopefully this case will change something.

Doc Z, the USA needs a National legislative Health Professional Council.....

the real saint of medicine. dr know it all. poking at not so gifted colleagues. the worst type of person in medicine. pray my patients will not visit him o or they will find out how bad a doctor I was. hyppocratic oath obliges doctors to respect and refrain from criticizing other doctors unless there is a real ground, not just gossips and subjective impressions. and by the way: who is without guilt let him throw the stone first.

I don't trust this Doctor. Seems arrogant, and doesn't listen to whole story. But who knows

I went to UT with this insane dude!!!!

Over-produced? dramatic? Love ya Dogg but you’re missing the mark here. Of course it’s dramatic- it’s horrifying. And they produced a bunch of interviews with actual patients/victims, families, colleagues, etc, involved in the whole sordid mess. And they talked plenty about the culture of silence in medicine regarding dangerous practitioners. How would you have had them tell it? …of course none of Your material is ever over-produced or dramatic 🐱

Tell you you're full of it? OK. You're full of it. There's too much grey area to "do something" about providers you THINK you know are dangerous. Sounds like you're comfortable with ruining careers and reputations based on anecdote. Hell, you couldn't even be bothered to listen to the entire podcast which was the basis for this video...

Yes the podcast was dramatic it's a podcast they want views

You're full of it.

Maybe actually research before flapping your lips on KZfaq

I feel like this is in overreaction to this case. This is was a highly atypical case, so generalizing it seems alarmist to me. I don't know about you guys but I also worked in hospital and when mistakes happened (this only happened) the nurses did not cover for one another. Often they would document meticulously and turn each other if they could demonstrate that a patient suffered from incompetent care. Im just a medical student but I from what I have seen so far, Doctors aren't shy about criticizing each other either. So the sentiments expressed here don't really jive with my own experience.

Whats the culture of medicine. What kind of answer is that. I'm sorry could u elaborate. As for the work the other people put into making those other videos and podcasts that were too "dramatic" don't deserve your criticism. Your video is boring and pretentious lol

This isn't about Dr. Death. This is about America. I live in Canada.... the greatest country in the world. We have free health care.