You guys should have Bryson on the show. I bet he'd come out and talk specs with you all, he's a huge gear nerd.
@iLovettGolf4 ай бұрын
That would be fantastic - and can see Bryson enjoying this as much as the TXG boys but nowhere near as much as us 😊
@mishellgagnon57714 ай бұрын
Very good suggestion. It'd be a treat, though we'd maybe need a nap afterwards...
@Taos11324 ай бұрын
That would be amazing!
@MXJEFF944 ай бұрын
This is the best idea I have ever heard of. Ian, reach out to him!
@Lefishn4 ай бұрын
100% reach out to Bryson cause the insight you would get would have so many views
@En5an34 ай бұрын
This is they type of content that made txg blow up in the first place, flexing golf technical knowledge and all us nerds eating it up.
@brianjarvis3134 ай бұрын
100%
@iLovettGolf4 ай бұрын
Feels like cheating getting this information for free. Never had a lesson but I’m sure these guys helped me reduce my handicap from 18 to 0 in 4 years 🎉
@chubeviewer16 күн бұрын
Anyone answer this? Doesn't the fact that the face opens on a toe strike (as that is what causes gear effect) not start the ball slightly right anyway?
@markpilutti45324 ай бұрын
Finally a throwback video of what TXG used to provide your audience, I love the new gear but I especially love the gear talk. Cheers guys trip down memory lane with this video cheers guys
@Huntgolfride4 ай бұрын
A good friend of mine works for LIV golf and has spent a lot of time chatting with Bryson. He says Bryson is a really good guy and fun to be around. I love him!
@ForzaOwnz4 ай бұрын
Any chance he can get me some of those heads? Being dead serious haha
@Huntgolfride4 ай бұрын
@@ForzaOwnz that’s likely way above my status in all of this :)
@jpxst180s64 ай бұрын
@@Huntgolfride Awh so it’s a friend of a friend of a friend 😂😂😂😂
@Huntgolfride4 ай бұрын
@@jpxst180s6 No, its a friend, and a good one, but Im pretty sure the ask from this far is out of reach:). I went to their website, actually not a bad price, although at my swing speed, completely useless for my game.
@mosttwisniewski54764 ай бұрын
I used to think he was a douche bag but been watching his you tube channel last 6 months really changed my mind on him he seems a really good guy
@Seektruth-594 ай бұрын
Bryson is my favourite golfer and personality. His YT is more fun and interesting than any tournament.
@jcrbama4 ай бұрын
One of the most interesting things that has come out of the LIV split is what gear those guys are playing now that the sponsorships are gone. I've noticed some interesting choices, like Phil using a LAB putter and how many guys choose PING products without a sponsorship. You get some insight into what gear a pro really likes, instead of who's paying them.
@sandersson28134 ай бұрын
Their sponsorships aren't gone. Some may have lost them but most are still affiliated to the same brands as before.
@jsee23854 ай бұрын
Bryson using ping until last weekand and he's not a listed sponsored player for them . I do believe there are a few Pros using gear they aren't paid too. As far as the big names go in liv. I don't know forsure
@Matthew-of9sp4 ай бұрын
@@sandersson2813Exactly, they’re not gone, but it’s probably more likely that they now have so much guaranteed money that when their contracts end, they choose freedom over signing with an OEM.
@sandersson28134 ай бұрын
@@Matthew-of9sp It looks as if LIV will have paid off their clothing/hat sponsors, but clearly they still have show sponsors and club sponsors in the main. Haven't seen many of them diverge from what they played on PGA.
@dseych4 ай бұрын
As someone who wasn't around during the old TXG days, I'm totally here for this type of video. It's encouraging seeing all the comments under the video talking about this is what TXG used to do. Keep putting out the technical stuff every once in a while. It's a super interesting watch.
@Huub1e4 ай бұрын
I’ve been watching a bit of Bryson on KZfaq and he uses strike location to shape his shots. He wants to keep his swing exactly the same every time. So in order to shape the shot he adjusts his strike location. When watching his KZfaq you will hear him say “I want this to draw so I’m gonna hit it on the toe” He says this mostly with driver but I’ve noticed him also do it with irons. So I think this has less to do with trying to hit it straight and more that Bryson wants a swing we can hit exactly the same way every shot but still get the shape out of the ball that he wants. Everyone focuses on his swing speed but in this case I think this is more about his single plane swing and him applying the scientific method to get repeatable shots that don’t rely on feel. He’s dialed in every swing the same with repeatable changes. He knows exactly how far a 60 degree wedge will go based on the clock method to 15 minute intervals. He knows exactly how far his putts go based on how far he takes back his club. He measures everything precisely on the golf course. So unlike most equipment that is designed to hit straight with off center shots, Bryson actually wants shape with different strike locations. This is why his equipment doesn’t work for regular players and not necessarily his swing speed which has been more and more common on tour.
@TheStaniG4 ай бұрын
I think you nailed it right here.
@InwonKim19824 ай бұрын
Thank you for touching on this matter. I think it is a great time to dive into the single-length iron topic again. Thank you!!
@rossadamdixon4 ай бұрын
And MOI matching. Single length sets are all the same MOI from the grip end of the club. There are huge advantages to this but you can match MOIs of standard set too.
@tylerfj244 ай бұрын
ive always wanted to try this setup but i dont think the average fitter has the ability to accurately fit, swing weight, and loft each iron to the specs needed to have accurate gapping..
@latenite39314 ай бұрын
I would love to see a "scientific" series where Ian uses slow motion video to explain some of these things. I love to nerd out and I'm sure there's a bunch of viewers who would like to see that.
@PYGolf4 ай бұрын
Bryson is a Rockstar, get him on the show please
@ianfrasergolf4 ай бұрын
Would love to get together with Bryson to talk about gear.
@mathieunorman-fortin97184 ай бұрын
As a golf nerd, I really appreciate this content. Keep up the good works lads!
@ericbriggs73834 ай бұрын
I've been watching your content for years and I'm happy to say I thoroughly understood every point being made in this video. Cheers to Fraser University
@Taos11324 ай бұрын
We need a golf nerd series! You guys have in-depth knowledge that very few possess. Let it shine!
@camchann4 ай бұрын
You guys should reach out to Bryson. He LOVES sharing the technical end of what he’s doing. Get him on the channel to break it down with you!!
@johnbrodnik8394 ай бұрын
Now this has to be The Best video on golf physics i have Ever seen. Well done, Ian!!! And Bryson is the only LIV player i like and will watch.
@CamMacMastermusic4 ай бұрын
Had these guys kept the TXG name and put out more shows like this one there’s no telling how big their channel would have gotten ! Great show guys !
@mastermariner78134 ай бұрын
Love the physics of this.
@brianlhenaff3834 ай бұрын
At BDs swing/ball speed, his shots are doing things us normal players can't fathom. Makes sense why he would want horizontal roll to help with miss hits. Love how he never stops tinkering and searching.
@baemp1re4 ай бұрын
Past few years I have really started to nerd out and get real into the equipment, science, how and why certain things fit certain people. You guys have really fed my want to know more and I love it. This was awesome. Keep it up!
@drgrzz4 ай бұрын
Awesome. I like how Bryson is willing to push the norm.
@jasonkelley61853 ай бұрын
Don’t need a nap. This is the kind of stuff I love. More of the same please!! Great job.
@davidreid2301Ай бұрын
I've only been back playing 18 months after a 33-year hiatus, but I'm a science nerd, and this nerded right up my street!
@brentgehrmann46983 ай бұрын
Really good! Anyone who understands the swing numbers will get this video. Thank you for doing it.
@jonathanscott9074 ай бұрын
I noticed the curve on my driver face as a kid and intuitively tried to figure out why it was like that. I thought hitting the toe or heel would cause opposite spin than it actually does. Based on the face to path youd think it would curve right for a toe strike for a righty, but bc of the rebound of the face opening up it emparts opposite spin and the thing i thought would make it spin right just gives it a slightly right initial start line. I honestly thought of this and thought why dont they have concave club faces? But i had the physics opposite
@jd.schultz-qh1ui4 ай бұрын
Thanks for going over this, always been a big nerd like Bryson, just a really poor golfer.
@RogueSquidward4 ай бұрын
Damn didn’t think I’d be back in geometry and physics class this early in the morning… I need my coffee first…
@nealfreeman014 ай бұрын
I like to talk about the gear effect like pitches that a baseball pitchers throws over the plate. Lots of different ways to get there when dealing with spin axis from a particular start location of the hand.
@heretoday85194 ай бұрын
Would like to see a video with you all using different iron lofts with same shaft length to see impact on distance. That is also a huge part of Bryson's irons.
@mlh78664 ай бұрын
Wish I could “Love” this video. Ian at his absolute best! Mikey appropriately impressed.
@spacepatrol5183 ай бұрын
Great video. Im sure it won’t be your most popular video but the science you dive into is excellent!
@marcusgeorge182522 күн бұрын
Two words. Simply Awesome!
@silverfeathered14 ай бұрын
The best part of Bryson's contribution to golf is the CLEAR separation between us mortals and a dedicated professional athlete. (There's a few players on the tour that make me think; "hey, maybe I can do that ...") The physics in play for that level of golf are nothing but theoretical for the rest of us.
@BuffaloNickel94 ай бұрын
um no, it didn't take "Bryson" to realize the level of dedication of top athletes
@silverfeathered14 ай бұрын
@@BuffaloNickel9 Nobody said anything about realizing anything. Players like "Bryson", Tiger, and Jack are a danger to the gentle game of golf. Moving the goal post of golf physicality at the elite level, often destroying their bodies in the process, is very different from those that focus on long careers of walking in the park.
@xavierperez97254 ай бұрын
Let’s go!! More nerdy videos!!
@CWashburn803 ай бұрын
Need part 2 on this video after bryson took 2nd at the PGA. Get Bryson on or the guy from Avoda to talk more detail on it. Would be sick to have bryson in studio to demonstrate exactly what hes going for and why its working for him
@hatchhatchhatch4 ай бұрын
currently gaming a older adams DHY 21 degree hybrid with the buldge/rolled face. not a super fast swinger but can feel it helps on off centre strikes!
@VanishingTime4 ай бұрын
You guys did an excellent job explaining that!
@henryanderson33014 ай бұрын
Been using the krank fire pro 7.5 Deg and it's amazing!! Swing around 132 average and it's better than all I've tried so far. Very straight and ball speeds are incredible on monitor 🤙 Should get one in to test, I think Mr Fraser would be in heaven, colours match well with the VF 😉💣
@DavidPetryk4 ай бұрын
I second that this would be a great video to see
@DuTch_-0-4 ай бұрын
Very interesting! I honestly think that it could help a bunch of golfers.
@drewt24774 ай бұрын
Love the tech talk
@ianfrasergolf4 ай бұрын
💙, we enjoyed this one also!!
@djparra414 ай бұрын
At what swing speed should you consider a driver head to “too much” bulge and roll? Because I’m around 120 mph driver head speed which is above average but no where near Bryson’s.
@craigbailey26284 ай бұрын
Excellent video guys! Appreciate the gear talk. I am definitely a golf nerd and really enjoy these technical discussion. I look forward to the review of the Avodoa irons one day. great stuff!
@golf007sd24 ай бұрын
This is pure gold....thank you guys!
@Holt02163 ай бұрын
Imagine paying to be a member 😂
@MrChunpack4 ай бұрын
I love the gear head nerd talk! The weeds are the place to be!
@aljitjoy60204 ай бұрын
So cool. Have you done a video with the Krank driver
@jcrocksthehouse4 ай бұрын
Really enjoyed that. And yes, I’m a golf nerd.
@rossadamdixon4 ай бұрын
My understanding is that the gear spin is created due to the horizontal difference from the CG of the club. It is not to do with the head moving in one way and the ball moving another. I know the PGA teach it this way but I believe this is incorrect. On impact the ball wants to move towards the CG. When you strike the ball out on the toe, the ball wants to move towards the centered CG. Thats what creates the spin axis tilt. On a center strike, the ball is horizontally aligned so no spin axis tilt is imparted. By the same token, the CG position relative to the face impacts the back spin. Think low spin drivers like the SLDR. The CG was very farforward and low. The ball gets struck and is pulled towards the low CG, countering a little the loft creating backspin. (note CG of the head also impact the shaft so there is more at play interms of backswpin) The distance the CG is from the face also makes a difference. The bigger the distance the more the effect. The reason irons don't need to counter this is that the CG is always very close to the face and that the ball can never get that far away for the center. In both cases the effect is so minimal. I totally agree that as speed increases the effect on the spin axis tilt, and that for the majority of people there is absolutely no point in having bulge and roll.
@chongannyap75624 ай бұрын
According to TPI research, a 1/2” off-center strike horizontally will cause a +/- 2.6 degree effect on start direction, which may result in Gear Effect depending on the 3:1 Face-to-Path relationship determining curvature. For ball speed lesser than 150mph (ie. club golfers), unless the off-center strike point is more than 1/2”, and the Face-to-Path delta is larger than 3 degree, the compensation from Gear Effect may not be noticeable even for a Driver with Bulge and Roll. For any iron, given that off-center strikes are usually lesser than 1/2” toe or heel, coupled with CG being close to the Face, Gear Effect is probably non-existent even for lower lofted clubs with lofts >15 degree.
@derrickcalcote38084 ай бұрын
Anyone else remember the Wilson 1200 GE (Gear Effect) irons from back in the day?
@lancesedevie5484 ай бұрын
Makes me think of the ts2 driver and its minimal use of bulge in a forgiving driver🤷♂️
@laogx40264 ай бұрын
Would be awesome to deep dive on Avoda irons and why Bryson’s irons are different from production set available from avoda. Questions: What iron ball speed is gear effect on irons effective? What loft does h-convexity make sense? Does it make sense of wedges short game? Does trampoline effect (smash) of players or cavity iron contribute to need for roll and bulge or does a more springy face take care of some gear effect rendering roll unuseful?
@keernhaslem18454 ай бұрын
Thirty years ago, when golf transitioned away from persimmon, the trade off was diminished gear effect. It used to be a common part of golf.
@donsmnc53194 ай бұрын
What's key to any of the things Bryson is working on it involves his swing speed, which very few if any of us actually have
@DavidPetryk4 ай бұрын
Great video and explanations thanks for more great content for us total golf nerds.
@Liam-sw1iz4 ай бұрын
Very good explanation at the start
@gerencher4 ай бұрын
Its not deflection that causes the gear effect its CG placement and reaction forces caused by the moment arm. This is why you want the CG lower than the strike point to create backspin and not topspin ... its just the same thing in the left/right axis vs top/bottom
@gerencher4 ай бұрын
The bulge/roll compensates for the gear effect spin, by starting the ball off to the right or left, bringing the ball back to center line with a draw or fade.
@stevemccrory91304 ай бұрын
T-shirt slogan - FRAZZLED by Fraser.
@ianfrasergolf4 ай бұрын
😂😂😂, sorry about that!! 🤯
@krusher744 ай бұрын
bulge and roll was on infomercial irons years ago.
@whocares39864 ай бұрын
The good old Controller driving iron.
@ndmagic994 ай бұрын
Love my Krank Fire driver. Definitely something to the bulge and roll helping its accuracy.
@paulhoekstra93573 ай бұрын
Can't wait to see the new Cobra's printed
@Zad2514 ай бұрын
I love my one lengths, I play a Radspeed set in the winter and Forged Tec set in the spring+. Golf never completely stops here in Tennessee, at least for me raised out west, these Southern dandies hang it up when it gets below 60. Shit, it's still shorts weather anywhere above 40. Would love to see a review of the Avoda "Same Length".
@iLovettGolf4 ай бұрын
Could this help explain the BRNR Mini’s insane fairway finding abilities? A 3w with bulge on a larger face 👼
@EdReed20DB4 ай бұрын
Woods and hybrids have bulge and roll as well. It would be more pronounced in the mini driver because it is a larger head and would impart more gear effect though.
@michaelhocking90374 ай бұрын
I don’t play golf but I like any one that want to change the norm and seems Bryson is willing to try something new.
@hulksmash68584 ай бұрын
Bryson us single handedly why I hit as well as I do. I'll hit 330, 340 easy on the course 2, maybe 3 times, in the fairway. I have been playing 4 years. Golf needs his approach, and his tenacious propensity towards innovation.
@mpchmr13174 ай бұрын
really interesting, thanks guys
@lawbinson4 ай бұрын
There are lots of things you can learn and use from Bryson’s game. But, his clubs are unlikely what you want to replicate unless you have a ton of speed like him.
@MussbacherIndustries4 ай бұрын
Sort of agree however, till a set of irons with either a positive or negative bulge is available, you never know. Interesting to learn more.
@lawbinson4 ай бұрын
@@MussbacherIndustries they did exist back in the day. They were called Controller irons. That said, I'm all for experimentation.
@futuresmart25054 ай бұрын
would yall ever do this same review but with toe and heel strikes that are more dramatic and lower swing speed like the average golfer? I see your impacts and most of those are all places id be ok with hitting.
@JTPHS4 ай бұрын
Yeeesss! Go deeper, you have the audience for this. Even if you make more in depth videos a side channel. Love nitty gritty details.
@torlefborsting4714 ай бұрын
I love the science. So interesting
@lettuceb23364 ай бұрын
it would be interesting to see what different iron tech brings to this discussion. For example, I'd expect most (all) classic blades to act as you've demonstrated. Cavity backs are likely to have more variance, but not enough to warrant the complication. What about the foam-filled game improvement irons played by a person with poor head control and decent swing speed? Food for thought...
@joshualin69714 ай бұрын
in theory, i think this test is absolutely right. However, at least for me personally, if i were to hit the heel with an iron my face tend to be more open, vice versa with toe strike. Reason being that i want solid contact. My ball tends to fade when i miss it out of the heel, and it doesnt have a leftward starting line due to the face that there isnt curvature on iron's clubface. I'd love to test out irons that does have face curvature to test the theory myself.
@aspencer094 ай бұрын
Great content guys again 👏🏻
@j.davidsemple69884 ай бұрын
I’m lovin the content guys !
@Bearded1DurGolf4 ай бұрын
8:19 I love the weeds! Do an episode where the weeds are over your head!
@AAkCN1Күн бұрын
fascinating
@allandandeneau73574 ай бұрын
Did Wilson explore this concept in the 1980's with their model 1200 ge irons? They had an entire line of gear effect clubs introduced at the time. Those irons were the first set I ever played. However, as a new golfer then I couldn't feel any potential difference in those irons versus other conventional brand models.
@pltyes214 ай бұрын
I have an old Controller 1 iron that has a curved face and it does seem to shape the ball more than my normal driving iron.
@mattfloyd70953 ай бұрын
good stuff boys....
@dannypagano3234 ай бұрын
So, increased energy delivered to the ball due to faster swing speed results in a more pronounced gear effect, because there's more deflection on off-center strikes? The added roll works to move the start line further from center to compensate for the increased gear effect?
@ianfrasergolf4 ай бұрын
👏🏼👏🏼, you aced the test!!
@dalewier97354 ай бұрын
I agree that our equipment will not take as much as the LDC equipment can. I am 63 now but when I was younger I had to replace my TaylorMade driver every 2 years. Broke my Titleist driver before the 1st summer was over.
@jeffreylondongolf34484 ай бұрын
Damn I’m a super golf nerd eh I was loving that
@bilbobaggins70954 ай бұрын
Great video boyz!
@lukehoffman57854 ай бұрын
My friend help Bryson build his iron set, cool story behind those irons.
@karenolmstead97344 ай бұрын
I would love to hear that story.
@No_Fear_334 ай бұрын
If Brysons bottom 3 wedges were not one length and his putter stroke wasnt so dictated by his leading shoulder (which can fatigue) he would be sooooo much better
@greasby1golf8714 ай бұрын
I'm Bryson awaits awaits your humble You Tube opinion
@MrAhuraMazda4 ай бұрын
Youre absolutely clueless and have accomplished literally nothing in golf.
@jon47154 ай бұрын
Bryson plays his wedges at 6i length? I feel like you’re right about that being a hindrance. The benefit of the 6i length clubs is really for the 2i/3i/4i/5i imo.
@BigDawgCAM4 ай бұрын
I was thinking that about his wedges. It’s a massive advantage to have a 35” lob wedge in terms of accuracy. I think his one-length clubs are like 38” or 39” which must be so difficult to control the club face on pitching/chipping strokes. His putting actually improved tremendously when he switched to arm putting, so I don’t think that’s his main problem though he’s obviously not the best putter either
@dennissmith19044 ай бұрын
@@BigDawgCAMI wonder if he has tried a LAB putter.
@starks19744 ай бұрын
So what would a slow swing speed produce? I assume that over corrects those bad shots off the heel and toe.
@eldaygo58474 ай бұрын
I'm sure @brysondechambeau would be happy to be on the show to explain his theory, considering you have filmed with Piage.
@gregschulte29534 ай бұрын
so interesting. Again, these guys are playing a completely different game than the rest of us.
@alexeiglass86194 ай бұрын
In the future you guys could have a 3D printer in the studio and print out golf clubs 😂
@hypent5004 ай бұрын
Can you do a test on same length irons
@ForzaOwnz4 ай бұрын
There isn't much to say that others haven't already You lose some distance at the top end of the bag due to shorter leavers which can be offset by slightly stronger lofts. You are more likely to hit the centre of the face due to the slightly shorter shaft You can gain distance in the higher lofts due to the same thing, such is a reason why Bryson has so many wedges. Inverse to the longer irons, you may find that you can't find the centre as much due to the added shaft length but that is offset by you not swinging the short irons as hard every time. I have a set, been playing them since covid and absolutely love them
@hypent5004 ай бұрын
@@ForzaOwnz what length are you using for all your irons
@ForzaOwnz4 ай бұрын
@@hypent500 37.5"
@mattscallon38204 ай бұрын
great review of the clubs. Love the mad scientist and all his ideas about how to make clubs better. Cant wait to see his clubs get released eventually and fingers crossed as always that they come out for lefties
@mistersooty4 ай бұрын
I really don't understand gear effect. When my club face is open the ball slices. So how does having the face more open on the toe make toe strikes go left? I don't get it.
@jazzed2b4 ай бұрын
I wonder if that actually makes the golf club harder to work the ball left to right right to left?
@ShepMike39344 ай бұрын
Maybe have Bryson in and hire a iron Byron to mimic his swing to test his assertion
@TimG9074 ай бұрын
So if I'm understanding correctly: Faster club speed benefits from more bulge & roll? If this is true, could we say that the opposite is also true: Slower speed would benefit from less bulge & roll? Do golf companies vary their bulge & roll amount already? For example: "Women's drivers" that are targeted at slower swing speed players. Do they have less bulge & roll? Has anyone compared the amount of bulge & roll across OEMs? Which companies have the most? Which have the least? Could the amount of bulge & roll eventually be a customizable option, similar to the flex of a shaft or the loft of a club?
@dadthumbsz55334 ай бұрын
Would a better example have been hybrids? Do they have roll and bulge? Has Bryson gone full bag of hybrids that look like irons?
@dublingb4 ай бұрын
Fascinating.
@justgettinby82604 ай бұрын
Class is in session!
@mitchh64 ай бұрын
I actually had no idea why the driver face had a bulge and roll. I figured it was that way for some important reason but never thought o ask why.
@jacobmccain80824 ай бұрын
To bring your toe and heel shots back toward the center via start line. Sends heel shots left so they can cut back and toe shots right so they can draw back. At least that's what I've been told.