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The secret origin of Zelda's temple music

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Thomas Game Docs

Thomas Game Docs

3 жыл бұрын

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SOURCES
- web.archive.org/web/200503191... [Interview 1]
- shmuplations.com/kojikondo/ [Interview 2]
- zeldauniverse.net/forums/Thre... [Samples A]
- docs.google.com/spreadsheets/... [Samples B]
- sorry not gonna link that other sample website it was dodgy af
CREDITS
- • zelda 64 beta dungeon ... [Beta Zelda footage]
- • Dawn Of The Final Day ... - [Majora “dawn of” text]
- • The Legend of Zelda: M... - [Majora 3d moon crash footage]

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@ThomasGameDocs
@ThomasGameDocs 3 жыл бұрын
Hey! So, at the end of August I was burnt out and couldn't make videos anymore. In the 3 months since then, a few people really helped me pick up the pieces and get things going again, so I just wanted to thank them here :)) - Katie and Ellie (as always haha) - All of my patrons who stuck with me while no videos came out! - My amazing KZfaqr friends xx - lawyerdads and AA twitter for keeping the narumitsu strong within me - no context tgd for making me laugh a bunch - And of course, everyone who's kept watching, commenting on and sharing my videos! Thanks SO MUCH to all of you
@ghostxtbxtbitxtbite9497
@ghostxtbxtbitxtbite9497 3 жыл бұрын
I replied
@sewkrazy
@sewkrazy 3 жыл бұрын
It would make me happy if you talked about the Sonic IDW comics. Or just talk about Sonic in general. Keep making great content!
@parrotplays7
@parrotplays7 3 жыл бұрын
Hey!
@Gravastars1
@Gravastars1 3 жыл бұрын
Think this is your best vid yet!
@basicbird2467
@basicbird2467 3 жыл бұрын
Don’t worry about it, I’d rather my favourite KZfaqrs feel good about the work they produce and also having great content that is spread out is better than mediocre content that is frequent
@vlanzingmanz
@vlanzingmanz 3 жыл бұрын
I swear Thomas's favorite video clip is the one slowly zooming into Nintendo Headquarters
@weirdsailorman4070
@weirdsailorman4070 3 жыл бұрын
or the zoom into a pixelated shitty face.... now I will have nightmares for another year
@Sansibit
@Sansibit 3 жыл бұрын
Lmao I can approve
@ShirubaGin
@ShirubaGin 3 жыл бұрын
Plot twist: He is Shigeru Miyamoto
@denaze05
@denaze05 3 жыл бұрын
I see why lol
@shrimpcupnoodle2574
@shrimpcupnoodle2574 3 жыл бұрын
I love that this clip LITERALLY happened exactly as I was reading this comment.
@chrisbeach423
@chrisbeach423 3 жыл бұрын
Apparently this 💿 “distorted reality” has been used all across gaming from zelda to silent hill to crash and spyro, and even Tony Hawk.
@enterzainment
@enterzainment 3 жыл бұрын
I believe it’s developed by Spectrasonics, and you can still use those samples today in their software synth Omnisphere. They have a huge legacy with being affiliated in the music media industry.
@enterzainment
@enterzainment 3 жыл бұрын
Actually I’m pretty sure Nintendo uses Omnisphere for most, it not all of their modern game soundtracks. You can hear in the Tostarena Ruins song from Super Mario Odyssey an Omnisphere preset. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/er5dnrKIrt69pas.html
@kairinase
@kairinase 3 жыл бұрын
It's a case of "Kouji, may I copy your homework?".
@m.t-thoughts8919
@m.t-thoughts8919 3 жыл бұрын
@@enterzainment Thanks for telling me the Plugin were the samples are stored. Now I can create the craziest atmospheric sounds with Fruity Convolver together with Omnisphere! 🥰🙏
@bobbyvee6414
@bobbyvee6414 3 жыл бұрын
I actually recognize that from my turntable days. Suddenly I have an urge to pull my 6 pound wallet chain and stovepipe jncos out of storage. Lol
@majoraswrath9590
@majoraswrath9590 3 жыл бұрын
Your extent of research of beyond anything else. You're something else man. Great work, keep it up!
@anttheman2332
@anttheman2332 3 жыл бұрын
True
@Vitorio582
@Vitorio582 3 жыл бұрын
He came out of nowhere and now he's one of the best gaming channels on KZfaq
@_deku_1361
@_deku_1361 3 жыл бұрын
Yup
@conmandouglas
@conmandouglas 3 жыл бұрын
SO True!!
@vohas2691
@vohas2691 3 жыл бұрын
It's called free-time.
@inujosha
@inujosha 3 жыл бұрын
Makes me wonder if Sony found Distorted Reality when making the opening sounds when you start up the PS2.
@mworld2611
@mworld2611 3 жыл бұрын
Seems entirely possible
@MegaManNeo
@MegaManNeo 3 жыл бұрын
I find the PS1 boot sound more iconic to be honest. But since Sony too has an entire music division in house, I wouldn't be surprised.
@tannerboyle6540
@tannerboyle6540 3 жыл бұрын
No, their composer just fell on a synthesizer
@rocsarchive
@rocsarchive 3 жыл бұрын
heya! just to let you know, it was sampled because i have the bios sounds for the startup. exactly the same tempo and sound, too.
@josephcastle3872
@josephcastle3872 3 жыл бұрын
@@MegaManNeo Agreed, PS1 boot kinda slaps.
@jerotoro2021
@jerotoro2021 3 жыл бұрын
Miyamoto watching this thinking "that rotter told me it was all original"
@erikagluck
@erikagluck 3 жыл бұрын
Ikr....I am pretty disappointed tbh ughhhh
@Ferkeshu
@Ferkeshu 3 жыл бұрын
Still is
@_Rhatsody
@_Rhatsody 3 жыл бұрын
@@erikagluck why? alot of music is sampling to make something new and unique sounding. its no different than reference work
@ShotaroAsakura
@ShotaroAsakura 3 жыл бұрын
@@erikagluck It's still original, he just remixed some few samples into an entire game's OST.
@Concon12316
@Concon12316 3 жыл бұрын
@@erikagluck i mean if you think about it every game has at least 1 sample in it. half-life is almost entirely made up of sampled sound effects, super mario 64 has many sampled sounds, doom has sampled sounds, even tv shows have sampled sound effects.
@cashwarior
@cashwarior 3 жыл бұрын
I'm actually surprised to see how far the sampling went in all the zelda music. It wasn't really something I really actively considered
@mityfresh8875
@mityfresh8875 3 жыл бұрын
seems like music sampling happens a lot and sometimes weird places. Let Mom Sleep from Jet Set Radio sampled a small bit from a British show (I know that's not a music sample but just to point out :p) Double fun fact I believe that same Islamic called to prayer sample is used in a few other games. I think it was made for anyone to sample seeing it's sample music lol, so I guess it shows there's a genre called sample music people must use it.
@LS95774
@LS95774 3 жыл бұрын
@@mityfresh8875 also, I remember the same Fire Temple chat was used in the original Monster Hunter on PS2 (and MHGU in 2017, as that theme returned for the new game) It was the Jungle area specifically
@weirdsailorman4070
@weirdsailorman4070 3 жыл бұрын
Sampling was the only way people actually created music back in day for games. With occasional actual synth melodic cues if needed or available. Because mostly keyboards were used more as samplers then actual instruments you play. Actual samplers were expensive and tech limited so in most cases two samplers plus a couple of keyboards and a PC that is it. Then rearange crap and call it a day. "I am a composer" no you're not you are a sampler... But try to explain this to the fanbase... Even tho actual creative and talented sampler people are rare. For example The Prodigy, Akira Yamaoka etc. They are fully creative with it while many just reuse shit and call it a day even go to the leghts of calling themselves composers or even given the title...
@Superabound2
@Superabound2 3 жыл бұрын
@@mityfresh8875 it's actually used to subtly brainwash the West into Islam
@Hito_Hito_Fruit_model_UncleSam
@Hito_Hito_Fruit_model_UncleSam 3 жыл бұрын
@@Superabound2 i doubt that exspcialy since japan hates muslims
@shaiky1681
@shaiky1681 3 жыл бұрын
"so out of ideas and without a clue of where to go from here" ...Koji decided to book a trip to Japan?
@stpidstuff
@stpidstuff 3 жыл бұрын
Nick Robinson
@maxeon0937
@maxeon0937 3 жыл бұрын
Well he already lived there soooo...
@maxeon0937
@maxeon0937 3 жыл бұрын
@Calum.mp4 not a good one tbh
@maxeon0937
@maxeon0937 3 жыл бұрын
@Calum.mp4 not a good one tbh
@masonsaccount
@masonsaccount 3 жыл бұрын
Maxeon 09 comedy is subjective, murray no but for real it’s subjective
@fireaza
@fireaza 3 жыл бұрын
1:47 This might have been unintentional, but when you said "a small shop, nestled away amongst a hundred other similar shops" you showed a picture of a Japanese music store called "音楽の店", literally "music store". The generic-ness of the store's name is a perfect fit for this "small shop, nestled away amongst a hundred other similar shops" you described!
@bettyunicorn6132
@bettyunicorn6132 3 жыл бұрын
Oh! So cool
@emerald0052
@emerald0052 3 жыл бұрын
*visual storytelling*
@calebschaaf1555
@calebschaaf1555 3 жыл бұрын
I met Koji Kondo back in the '90s. He and his wife were super nice. His wife used to sit with the little kids and just listen to us talk to her. She taught me how to count to 5 in Japanese.
@silentzorah
@silentzorah 3 жыл бұрын
"Wait... It's all sampled?" "Always has been."
@namedrop721
@namedrop721 3 жыл бұрын
I mean.... yes? I was a child at the time but had been exposed to ‘ethnic’ music and also done my own foley for a puppet show I wrote so...I don’t know why this is mindblowing. It’s fun though.
@stungunnotapplicable1953
@stungunnotapplicable1953 3 жыл бұрын
@@namedrop721 He was doing a meme...
@ikana1de371
@ikana1de371 3 жыл бұрын
He’s just explaining why it sorta doesnt make too much sense. Most people would understand this is a joke already.
@12DAMDO
@12DAMDO 3 жыл бұрын
that's not the shocking part! the shocking part is that Koji basically invented vaporwave
@shadowpersonoftheunknown6245
@shadowpersonoftheunknown6245 3 жыл бұрын
This is an example of using sampled music, yet making it completely their own rather than making it sound exactly the same like most seem to do
@Michael-fm8xx
@Michael-fm8xx 3 жыл бұрын
At Nintendo, I imagine this stack of decades old cds must be like the holy grail to the zelda team. It's so cool seeing how it inspired so many iconic tracks. I applaud your detective work on this man, couldn't have been easy!
@Geneolgia
@Geneolgia 3 жыл бұрын
9:11 fun fact, Iceland was also used in Wind Waker as the sound effect of the wind warps that appear when you defeat a boss.
@Fermin-hw5pd
@Fermin-hw5pd 3 жыл бұрын
True, my mind was blown when I heard it xd
@hyperbwabrzk3990
@hyperbwabrzk3990 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly that’s what I was just about to say
@LuigiSantoriniXXX16
@LuigiSantoriniXXX16 2 жыл бұрын
That's what I thought too!
@werdnayam
@werdnayam 2 жыл бұрын
Such a cool little detail! The glowing treasure lights on the Great See make that sound too. It always made me slightly unnerved to hear that in WW-amazing how some bleep-bloops can teach you when to be afraid (even though, post-MM, that sound wasn't associated with the apocalypse). Was that sound used in any other games? Or just WW?
@LuigiSantoriniXXX16
@LuigiSantoriniXXX16 2 жыл бұрын
And in Spyro too.
@rysea9855
@rysea9855 3 жыл бұрын
Being able to find those original samples.. God I love the internet And your dedication
@noiselessfox7618
@noiselessfox7618 3 жыл бұрын
Distorted Reality is a legend among Sampling-Librarys even available today as part of Spectrasonics Omnisphere 2. It was also used in Silent Hill 2 - 3 and in Spyro the Dragon!
@braumishere4890
@braumishere4890 3 жыл бұрын
So it sounds like that piece referencing a religious piece was actually referenced off of the actual thing. But I can at least see how it could have been done by accident now.
@BlastTheBat
@BlastTheBat 3 жыл бұрын
Was that the one that was replaced in a later version of the cart?
@929er13
@929er13 3 жыл бұрын
@@BlastTheBat yes
@danieljensen2626
@danieljensen2626 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I'm sure he didn't realize what it was, probably wasn't labeled clearly.
@Bhalforii
@Bhalforii 3 жыл бұрын
If only Nintendo had been open about how the composer used samples from a CD and didnt know what the chanting said we couldve avoided alot of conspiracy bull. Instead they said: "We have no idea how that got there". When they actually did.
@merendell
@merendell 3 жыл бұрын
Particularly in the pre internet or even early internet era ya. You here some singing in a different language and you have no idea if its religious, a food shop jingle, or someone reciting the phone book to a popular tune. Without an expert on that culture if it wasnt clearly labled there was no good way to look it up. Today theres an app for that, not so in the 90s.
@retromario6130
@retromario6130 3 жыл бұрын
9:50 sounds like PS2 starting up
@kpdelaney6460
@kpdelaney6460 3 жыл бұрын
i thought the same thing
@MegaManNeo
@MegaManNeo 3 жыл бұрын
More like that sound from the company whose logo appears before the intro of International Superstar Soccer 64 starts. Yes, I'm a nerd but check it out.
@teamsharpened7661
@teamsharpened7661 3 жыл бұрын
Then I am skipping it
@Fermin-hw5pd
@Fermin-hw5pd 3 жыл бұрын
@@teamsharpened7661 Bruh
@samboi123
@samboi123 3 жыл бұрын
"If you entered a dungeon, you could almost smell it!" So when you jump into a pool, do you get Water Temple PTSD from the smell of chlorine?
@everthon2457
@everthon2457 3 жыл бұрын
No cholorine there. *NO CHOLORINE THERE BRO!*
@lu_shulmu
@lu_shulmu 3 жыл бұрын
I've always been grateful that I couldn't actually smell it because I'm sure those Like Likes emit the odour of a rotting pile of garbage in addition to stealimg your shield.
@samboi123
@samboi123 3 жыл бұрын
@@everthon2457 Well, you might get PTSD from it if you jumped into a swamp or something. I’ve never played OOT myself but I’ve heard terrible things about that temple.
@justcomments
@justcomments 3 жыл бұрын
Ughhh I’d rather drown in the sea
@treeman73272
@treeman73272 3 жыл бұрын
Water temple is in a lake, it smells like lake water
@Nevir202
@Nevir202 3 жыл бұрын
Surprised that just purchasing a CD allowed such a broad commercial use 😳
@TheJunky228
@TheJunky228 3 жыл бұрын
same
@envy7522
@envy7522 3 жыл бұрын
Sample cds are basically cds that you have full rights to the use of as long as you bought them. Kinda like stock footage
@Nevir202
@Nevir202 3 жыл бұрын
@@envy7522 Ya, I get that’s the purpose, but commercial licenses aren’t always unlimited.
@Harie0
@Harie0 3 жыл бұрын
It is a bit surprising, but I believe CDs that carry sound samples are a bit more than the regular music CD. I know some volumes of sound samples can cost a few hundred, but I think they are a few CDs at least. I never ventured to far into that realm.
@_sparrowhawk
@_sparrowhawk 3 жыл бұрын
This whole video is confusing....
@Kidgib5
@Kidgib5 3 жыл бұрын
I love Zelda music. What a hella cool history lesson.
@CasualSunGod42
@CasualSunGod42 3 жыл бұрын
"But wait, Koji Kondo, is this legal?" "MIYAMOTO-SAN WILL MAKE IT LEGAL."
@GG256_
@GG256_ 3 жыл бұрын
Sampling is an art form in it's self. Koji stumbled upon a future skill to get ahead of the curve.
@DinosaurBytes
@DinosaurBytes 3 жыл бұрын
Since you have Distorted Reality now, it might be worth looking into Spyro's soundtracks too, as they lean on it's samples quite heavily too!
@edgewatersbestguitarist1524
@edgewatersbestguitarist1524 3 жыл бұрын
The Spyro games were all fun to play through. ...jeeze, we're on PS5 now?
@coolgamekh2307
@coolgamekh2307 10 ай бұрын
I also have both Distorted Reality 1 and 2.
@Lovix13
@Lovix13 3 жыл бұрын
7:36 my parents are Muslim and we sometimes go to mosques during religious holidays, or just sometimes for fun. So, yeah, to me this just sounds like a familiar noise
@Radien
@Radien 3 жыл бұрын
“IMMERSE LISTENERS INSTANTLY WITH THIS ONE WEIRD TRICK”
@bouncyclouds276
@bouncyclouds276 3 жыл бұрын
as someone who has never played Zelda, these songs are so creepy xD
@sheepaleepz
@sheepaleepz 3 жыл бұрын
as someone who had played, you’re absolutely correct haha. the forest temple feels so unsettling when you’re walking through it haha
@justcomments
@justcomments 3 жыл бұрын
Then they are doing exactly what they’re designed for :3 Hope you get a chance to play one of the games someday, they are a journey
@bouncyclouds276
@bouncyclouds276 3 жыл бұрын
@@justcomments they're not really the types of games i like playing :) btw I remembered i did play the switch one ! i can't believe i forgot
@AuroraSilverFox
@AuroraSilverFox 3 жыл бұрын
That's what makes them so enchating. uwu
@Lhama666
@Lhama666 3 жыл бұрын
these specifics tracks are actually some of the darker ones because of the dark theme of their respective dungeons/moments but the full OSTs from Ocarina of Time or Majora's Mask aren't made of darkness only!! really recommend that you check them out even without playing the games
@The8BitBigBand
@The8BitBigBand 3 жыл бұрын
Incredible video… THIS is why ocarina if time will always be my number one favorite OST of all time!! So many nuggets of composition and producing to unpack in each track!
@Brass319
@Brass319 2 жыл бұрын
And best of all, one of the albums has the best album name ever "A poke in the ear with a sharp stick" is still maing me laugh
@EmberedPaws
@EmberedPaws 3 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: The "Iceland" sample was also used in Wind Waker's portal ambiance after defeating a boss. Or at least it sounds the same, don't know if it's a coincidence.
@MAR1N4M1
@MAR1N4M1 3 жыл бұрын
The call to prayer is such a pretty sound.
@RGSTR
@RGSTR 3 жыл бұрын
When I hear him shout "Allaa-aaa-aah" I kinda wanna become Muslim.
@zawarudo4459
@zawarudo4459 3 жыл бұрын
@@RGSTR Me who is Muslim: “I am four parallel universes ahead of you”
@zawarudo4459
@zawarudo4459 3 жыл бұрын
@Aiden-Bella-Babi y k thanks I guess
@boxloid
@boxloid 2 жыл бұрын
@@RGSTR Thats great to hear as I am a Muslim as well
@boxloid
@boxloid 2 жыл бұрын
@@zawarudo4459 Assalam-u-Alikum
@Nehji_Hann
@Nehji_Hann 3 жыл бұрын
Is it just me or does the cover of "Distorted Reality" look like it features Midna? Just blur your vision and I'm sure you'll see it. 3:38
@Fermin-hw5pd
@Fermin-hw5pd 3 жыл бұрын
You mean her face?
@frankthediesel102p6
@frankthediesel102p6 3 жыл бұрын
From Playerinside
@Hunterseggs
@Hunterseggs 3 жыл бұрын
Stewart Copeland also used samples from Distorted Reality while composing Spyro 2. Looks like it really got around.
@jonnihard1090
@jonnihard1090 3 жыл бұрын
Whooah the drummer for the police workwd on that game???
@MrAlinLupu
@MrAlinLupu 3 жыл бұрын
@@jonnihard1090 yupp! Thats right. You can even search on youtube the makeing of spyro music stewart copeland
@ainsbass
@ainsbass 3 жыл бұрын
@@jonnihard1090 Yeah he composed the soundtrack for the original PS1 trilogy, and the first game on PS2 (but we don't talk about that...)
@sohaybm.3216
@sohaybm.3216 3 жыл бұрын
Okay so, I'm muslim and the "call to prayer" sample is NOT a call to prayer. It's actually the first part of one of the last surats : al-ikhlas. It looks like it would be taken straight from quran recitations, they circulated a lot over time. Who knows, maybe it's from a famous coranic recitation ?
@wiredcoati
@wiredcoati 3 жыл бұрын
Cool. Thanks for your perspective on this particular element. Knowledge is power.
@iceman00behave
@iceman00behave 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info, as I have wondered about this ever since it was removed from later versions of the game. Can you specify which lines exactly from Al-Ikhlas are used? I found the full translation, but noted that you said it was only the first part. EDIT: After trying my best to decipher the words of the in-game sample (probably due to audio compression), the snippet used in this video appears to be 2 lines, with the first being repeated multiple times. This comes from the last 2 lines of Al-Ikhlas... _Lam yalid walami yū lad_ _Wala mia yaku l-lahū kufu’an aḥad_ This (according to the webpage I found), translates to: _He begets not, nor he was begotten_ _There is no one like him. And there is none co-equal or comparable to Him._ It seems that the sample straight from the CD at 7:38 is the full 4 verses.
@silmiha5239
@silmiha5239 2 жыл бұрын
In the sample CD, they recite just the first 2 lines from surah al-Ikhlas, then segue into a takbeer call(?) commonly used in Eid days: Allaahu akbar, wa Lillaahi’l-hamd (Allah is Most Great, and all praise be to Allah)
@wyrmster4886
@wyrmster4886 3 жыл бұрын
This channel is heavily underrated
@nicolasgaticamarcotti6070
@nicolasgaticamarcotti6070 3 жыл бұрын
i wonder now if bongo bongo was designed because of the drums background, or the other way around
@Daniel_Coffman
@Daniel_Coffman 3 жыл бұрын
That New World Order sample at about 10:02 definitely sounds like it was the inspiration for F-Zero GX's ZEN track, as well; played on Aeropolis.
@horrisnorris6478
@horrisnorris6478 3 жыл бұрын
This is my favourite TGD video yet! I'm a massive fan of 90s electronic music, a lot of which makes heavy use of sampling. I'd noticed that certain OOT tracks had that sampled feel to them, so it's amazing to hear the original samples and learn how Koji Kondo processed them. OOT and MM have some of my favourite game music ever, and it's great to get some insight into how the tracks were made, and to see how similar techniques were used to some of the 90s ambient music I love. Thanks Thomas!
@KorriTimigan
@KorriTimigan 3 жыл бұрын
Whoa! That last sample you mentioned was used in a toy I had as a kid, it was wizard's cauldren that lit up if I remember right. As soon as the raw sample played I was sent right back about fifteen years! Who knew it was also used a Zelda game from the same period.
@davestrides
@davestrides 3 жыл бұрын
i love your zelda-centric videos! i cant imagine how difficult/clunky it must've been to go through the samples with such obsolete software lmao. thank you for comparing the samples, really. hearing these gave me such nostalgia
@jhovanielperez4763
@jhovanielperez4763 3 жыл бұрын
This really show how if you want to create anything using Inspiration wouldn't hurt. Almost nothing its 100% Original these days. Koji Kondo is a living legend and I hope I can see him, shake his hands and thank him for such good ost. 🤝
@buttercupkat
@buttercupkat 3 жыл бұрын
4:54 The fact that "undecu-like" is in the subtitles vocabulary makes me happy.
@justcomments
@justcomments 3 жыл бұрын
Top englishing happening right now
@midnightkitty8172
@midnightkitty8172 3 жыл бұрын
I call this inspiration, not 'sneaky tricks'.
@anttheman2332
@anttheman2332 3 жыл бұрын
KZfaq HAS NOT BEEN GIVING ME NOTIFICATIONS EVEN THO I AM SUBBED WITH THE BELL
@gooolixx
@gooolixx 3 жыл бұрын
angery mode activate
@flflflflflfl
@flflflflflfl 3 жыл бұрын
THAT SOUNDS HORRIBLE HOW ARE YOU COPING SO FAR?
@Bryan-es2tl
@Bryan-es2tl 3 жыл бұрын
Unsub the bell and redo it @Ansel
@drake2quared
@drake2quared 2 жыл бұрын
I always thought the chanting/flute sample from the forest temple was Link yelling. The chanter's voice and Link do sound similar, when you think about it.
@LocalManMakesMusic
@LocalManMakesMusic 3 жыл бұрын
You make it seem like he stumbled into a magical shop and found a Mogwai. Those kinds of sample CDs were well known and widely used by professional media composers of the time. I find it hard to believe Koji Kondo wasn’t already familiar with them. That said, nice work tracking down and matching the source material. I’m sure those are as rare today as they were common place at the time.
@counterinfluencer5684
@counterinfluencer5684 Жыл бұрын
You are right on the money @Local Man. THOMAS completely fabricated that part of the story, because Koji Kondo had already used these exact same CDs to make the Starfox 64 and Mario 64 music. THOMAS didn't do the sample research either, he ripped off all of these other KZfaqrs who already did the work: GAME TRAILERS Ocarina Of Time Episode (2013) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/i5lkgKmUr8qrc6M.html PYTHON BLUE archive of Distorted Reality samples (2013) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/op6Va6eTvbXFZ3k.html&ab_channel=PythonBlue WANNATRADEPLANTS Ocarina of Time Library Samples (2017) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jdagarhey5uudGw.html&ab_channel=WannaTradePants SAVE DATA Music of Ocarina Of Time (May 2, 2020) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fNORh7tmmJPShYE.html&ab_channel=SaveData The reason why THOMAS blurs the "sample source" website in his video is because he didn't actually find them, he just copied the content from these videos above. There are entire forums dedicated to researching this, and these samples have been archived on archive.org - but THOMAS wouldn't know this because he didn't do the research and he lied about the overall narrative for Koji Kondo. THOMAS is a total KZfaqr fraud.
@I-OMusic
@I-OMusic 3 жыл бұрын
"If you don't want to hear the Islamic call to prayer" What a nice thing to do, going out of your way for our muslim neighbours like that.
@pyr3x849
@pyr3x849 3 жыл бұрын
I also had a rather weird feeling about that comment...
@talhakayar
@talhakayar 3 жыл бұрын
Acutally it’s not a problem nor offensive imo, especially muslims are very sensitive about call to prayers and music being played together (I’ve even seen people turn their tv down) and actually they might be the ones who wants to skip it. Nonetheless being safe better than sorry right?
@DavidStarrUSA
@DavidStarrUSA 3 жыл бұрын
Kondo finding the shop is like Myamoto taking that exploration as a child. They were there to witness the lighting strike, twice. And we are all so so thankful for that!!
@midierror
@midierror 3 жыл бұрын
This is so cool. Before the days of Splice and Loopmasters, a company called Time & Space used to sell sample CDs in the UK and abroad. They used to be really expensive and in a similar way to your story - were available to listen to in some stores. Amazing to find huge computers use samples as inspiration!
@mesastreatexit
@mesastreatexit 3 жыл бұрын
are those the real sample compilation album coverS?! someone could make a whole video on the aesthetic of those cover art designs lmao
@hazimarif9042
@hazimarif9042 3 жыл бұрын
7:36 : that's not the call prayer that's more of a surah or a zikir. (It's really beautiful if you know the meaning).
@MrDoodleBrian
@MrDoodleBrian 2 жыл бұрын
I hate, they were put the song in place with lava.
@hazimarif9042
@hazimarif9042 2 жыл бұрын
@@MrDoodleBrian reminds you of allah before you go to hell 😌😌
@marcovoltage
@marcovoltage 3 жыл бұрын
This was an excellent video, and I’m sure quite a feat in tracking those origins down. Kudos 🎊
@brotherbored8770
@brotherbored8770 3 жыл бұрын
So I was listening to this random 1976 synth album "Plantasia" this past summer and thought to myself "there's no way in the world Koji Kondo didn't hear this album prior to composing for Ocarina of time." This video makes me convinced beyond a reasonable doubt, since it seems like exactly the kind of album that would have been in that little shop in Kyoto. Skip to the 13-minute mark and start listening. It's Zelda's Lullaby: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/icCbhZaB3q64o2Q.html
@counterinfluencer5684
@counterinfluencer5684 Жыл бұрын
Excellent find, you may be right! THOMAS in fact lied about Koji Kondo magically wandering into a random music store and discovering these CDs for the first time. In fact Kondo had used these exact same CDs on earlier music for Starfox 64 and Mario 64 and was very familiar with sampling even back in the SNES days. Kondo was not someone who was lacking ideas or inspiration and was well-versed in all sorts of eclectic music from around the world. I wouldn't be surprised if Kondo had heard "Plantasia" at some point in his life and it stuck in his mind. Though that's speculation. One other thing though is THOMAS didn't actually do any research for this at all, he merely ripped off content from existing youtubers without crediting them: GAME TRAILERS Ocarina Of Time Episode (2013) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/i5lkgKmUr8qrc6M.html PYTHON BLUE archive of Distorted Reality samples (2013) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/op6Va6eTvbXFZ3k.html&ab_channel=PythonBlue WANNATRADEPLANTS Ocarina of Time Library Samples (2017) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jdagarhey5uudGw.html&ab_channel=WannaTradePants SAVE DATA Music of Ocarina Of Time (May 2, 2020) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fNORh7tmmJPShYE.html&ab_channel=SaveData
@al201103
@al201103 3 жыл бұрын
Fascinating! Also, completely free of filler. Just the story laid out with the samples and the music. Awesome, thank you!!
@tileguy918
@tileguy918 3 жыл бұрын
Tom you’re the best KZfaqr for these videos, and yet you hardly pull more views than the channels with 60k subs
@senritsujumpsuit6021
@senritsujumpsuit6021 3 жыл бұрын
When your feeling down about your music skills remember even big projects from companies are simply samples put in a blender just mess around until it clicks
@HumanoidMachine
@HumanoidMachine Жыл бұрын
Those exact CDs were very common in the industry at that time. You can hear those same samples in a variety of games from Spyro to the entire Silent Hill series.
@beyondthesky2140
@beyondthesky2140 3 жыл бұрын
This is crazy. Definitely one of my favourite videos you've made so far! Oh, and may I add? If I'm correct, I feel like I hear that folk music style sample in Zant's battle theme as well. Or it may just be me.
@Korbsio
@Korbsio 3 жыл бұрын
Always love the music related videos! keep up the good work!
@JC20XX
@JC20XX 3 жыл бұрын
You're right
@_laryssa
@_laryssa 3 жыл бұрын
Man i always forget that this channel is name "Thomas Game Docs" instead of "Nintendo Game Docs"
@Helsionium
@Helsionium 3 жыл бұрын
8:21 Motoi Sakuraba used the same sample (and probably others from the same set) in his Baten Kaitos track "Rumbling of the Earth". And the "ICELAND" sample was re-used in Wind Waker as the sound effect for the warp portals at the end of the dungeons.
@WillSellari
@WillSellari 3 жыл бұрын
I think you might be selling these compositions a bit short when it comes to using samples. Prior to samples, people used synthesis and emulation to get at sounds and it wasn’t frowned upon or described as “this is going to change the way you hear the Neptunes once you find out what this Korg sounds like!”. I think the meaningful thing about a composers job is to sew together different elements and influences to inform the scene, or in this case stage, in which they’re writing for. The other thing I think people often forget is that this wasn’t some purest passion project, this was a job. And not only was it a job but an AAA title for a giant corporation, even if it’s an amazing an lovable corporation.
@DL-rq2vr
@DL-rq2vr 3 жыл бұрын
It’s interesting that zero-g made parts used for zelda, I only knew zero-g for its vocaloids
@maggiethegamer1271
@maggiethegamer1271 3 жыл бұрын
zero-g's samples were also used for HL2
@ghoulchan7525
@ghoulchan7525 2 жыл бұрын
funny because Vocaloids are also basically a bunch of samples XD.
@StephanS
@StephanS 3 жыл бұрын
I got the original DR sample CD and almost every sample is linked to a game, TV show or movie somehow. Those sounds are iconic, even thought that there is a lot of rubbish and unusable sounds on it. I'm currently working on my own sample CD, inspired by that particular Distorted Reality sample cd. Wish me luck, maybe one day there will be a video with a Zelda game, using my sounds
@_SSGB_
@_SSGB_ 3 жыл бұрын
Man, this kind of thing is so fascinating to me! So many video games used to employ samples and production sound effects, I love getting to know their origin and being able to hear them in their original quality.
@DrawtoonzStudio
@DrawtoonzStudio 3 жыл бұрын
This has been a fascinating topic for me for years. Stock samples and tracks are and always have been used everywhere, and I love it when a sound or a song I've recognized before ends up being found. Heck, even when something hasn't yet been uncovered, it's fun to pick up on a sound you've heard from one piece of media playing somewhere completely different. For example, there's a drum beat at the beginning of the Jojo's Bizarre Adventure song "I'm in Control" that I've heard in the scores of a couple other shows (and a movie). It doesn't really matter what library it's actually from, I just like noticing these sorts of things.
@NikolajLepka
@NikolajLepka 3 жыл бұрын
"ethnic sounding" is such a weird phrase; literally everyone on Earth is ethnic something, it's the least descriptive descriptor of anything ever.
@ThomasGameDocs
@ThomasGameDocs 3 жыл бұрын
That's a good point! I think the word "ethnic" was in my head when I was writing the script, since about half the album names have the word ethnic in them. But in retrospect, I should've used a better description!
@user-kb1su7mg1g
@user-kb1su7mg1g 3 жыл бұрын
its because you're an sjw. now take your medication.
@NikolajLepka
@NikolajLepka 3 жыл бұрын
@@user-kb1su7mg1g you're just mad Ukrainians don't consider themselves Russian
@user-kb1su7mg1g
@user-kb1su7mg1g 3 жыл бұрын
@@NikolajLepka medication now
@sep_timius
@sep_timius 3 жыл бұрын
@UCFMx7CXNTBVhI1RY8CR1-iQ "ethnic" used to describe traditional language, music or people has been considered offensive for years, please shut up
@hollywang227
@hollywang227 3 жыл бұрын
Honestly the most terrifying TGD video ever.
@blitzsnap
@blitzsnap 2 жыл бұрын
10:02 I think this sample was used in the Zant battle theme as well
@kevinkite3418
@kevinkite3418 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing discoveries!! I totally want to check these discs now. I love these atmospheric sounds.
@SireOblivion
@SireOblivion 3 жыл бұрын
How were you even able to track these CDs down? Amazing.
@Blueeyedmerle
@Blueeyedmerle 3 жыл бұрын
This is an amazing video, thomas. Great job! Top notch research. As soemone who samples a lot of music this is very fascinating
@davidconlee2196
@davidconlee2196 3 жыл бұрын
This was a cool video! I'm glad Kondo was able to find some cool samples to help generate ambience music.
@lucasmelo010
@lucasmelo010 3 жыл бұрын
After all those Zelda videos, you still managed to make an interesting one. Thanks!
@Zizaco
@Zizaco 3 жыл бұрын
I instantly recognized some of these samples from silent hill. I googled and found out that they used these same CDs
@Mote.
@Mote. 3 жыл бұрын
Zelda music is king
@vibe-oz2qu
@vibe-oz2qu 3 жыл бұрын
I thought this as well. Then I played chrono trigger.
@SamPearman
@SamPearman 3 жыл бұрын
Here I was thinking I was gunna sub to you purely because of the extensive research here, but instead I find out I'm already subbed.
@coloro853
@coloro853 3 жыл бұрын
"but that was easier said than done" is thomas' favorite thing to say
@Randinator
@Randinator 3 жыл бұрын
10:11 Giygas
@Ryaify
@Ryaify 3 жыл бұрын
I've Never Played Zelda But This Is A Good Video
@anttheman2332
@anttheman2332 3 жыл бұрын
Do it now
@AuroraSilverFox
@AuroraSilverFox 3 жыл бұрын
That's amazing!!
@Bangulo
@Bangulo 3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic work dude! As a musician and composer! this is some awesome detective work! that last sample in the distorted reality also sounds like the sound used in silent hill 1, In one of the cutscenes,
@illustrious-jaco
@illustrious-jaco 3 жыл бұрын
yup i thought the same thing!
@xplaygamer
@xplaygamer 3 жыл бұрын
I'm impressed you were able to track all of this down.
@parsuli.
@parsuli. 3 жыл бұрын
Hey, so great video with a lot of research but I have a question out of pure curiosity: why did you put a timestamp to skip to at 6:46? What is a reason one may not want to hear the call to prayer?
@oversleep3608
@oversleep3608 3 жыл бұрын
Some people live under a rock and hate everyone that is different in any ideology, faith, skin color, ect. I'm kind of curious as "why" as well except; conjecture could be reached that it was to cater towards those blinded by prejudice and small views.
@thegrim418
@thegrim418 3 жыл бұрын
@@oversleep3608 Could be for Muslims themselves. I know they consider it heresy for someone to just say Mohammad without his titles. Perhaps he considered some may take similar issue with a distorted version of their call to prayer.
@TheOneGuy1111
@TheOneGuy1111 3 жыл бұрын
When you mentioned taking samples from other sources, my mind _immediately_ jumped to the whole fire temple thing.
@wallywutsizface6346
@wallywutsizface6346 3 жыл бұрын
This is so cool! Awesome example of how sampling can help make music even better.
@HyruleGamer
@HyruleGamer 3 жыл бұрын
LOVED this video, super interesting secrets. I never knew any of these! :D
@anttheman2332
@anttheman2332 3 жыл бұрын
Ayyyy I know you you make cool content
@HyruleGamer
@HyruleGamer 3 жыл бұрын
@@anttheman2332 Why thank you 🙏
@christopherr8441
@christopherr8441 3 жыл бұрын
Yo, Hyrule Gamer is here?!?!
@HyruleGamer
@HyruleGamer 3 жыл бұрын
@@christopherr8441 Yessssir
@danjohnson3203
@danjohnson3203 3 жыл бұрын
This guy's just slappin' music together. Meanwhile my professors get all riled up when I don't put quotation marks, page number and citation around any two-word combination.
@SusanIvanova2257
@SusanIvanova2257 3 жыл бұрын
I mean, of they are specifically sample CDs then I'd assume they were released under a license where this use is legal and intended. Kind of like buying a stock photo.
@jonpatchmodular
@jonpatchmodular Жыл бұрын
10:50 I mean, the shop was close to his office, and he was in real need of inspiration, so maybe he would have stumbled upon it another day, or he might have found sample CD's elsewhere... Maybe he would have recorded his own samples? In any case, amazing work tracking those samples down, this was a VERY inspiring video for an ambient musician as myself (although my technique normally relies more on synthesis than sampling). Thank you for this awesome video
@trenton9
@trenton9 3 жыл бұрын
Usually when I see a video purporting to reveal new information about Ocarina of Time, it's a letdown - mostly stuff I already know. You truly delivered here. I knew samples were used in the music, but never too this scope. It's endearing to know where those samples came from. I have to wonder if any of those sample creators realize what a contribution they made to history.
@UnsightlyThinker
@UnsightlyThinker 3 жыл бұрын
The two dislikes are Ganon and Ganondorf.
@musteycraft
@musteycraft 3 жыл бұрын
Linkdorf
@FerHivore
@FerHivore 3 жыл бұрын
Who’da thunk listening to new music could be helpful when composing new music.
@typho6279
@typho6279 3 жыл бұрын
This was of course only effective in the past
@myamacke4159
@myamacke4159 3 жыл бұрын
@@typho6279 not really, it’s pretty common to listen to other music for ideas or inspiration and sampling is still incredibly common place, it’s just made much easier via the internet’s massive catalogs of music
@typho6279
@typho6279 3 жыл бұрын
@@myamacke4159 It has been scientifically proven that you can't find inspiration in music made after 2003
@user-kb1su7mg1g
@user-kb1su7mg1g 3 жыл бұрын
@@typho6279 what did you mean by this
@2thBrush
@2thBrush 3 жыл бұрын
@@typho6279 I’d love a source on this wild claim
@zackwatson8358
@zackwatson8358 3 жыл бұрын
I used to have a CD of various Zelda songs and I would listen to that mug religiously It truly is a masterpiece
@relu419
@relu419 3 жыл бұрын
For SM64 it's almost the same. LLL use tabla from Big Fish Audio Megaton in specific timestamp and 2 tabla loops, creating different and unique atmosphere. My research for SM64 is intense, but for any interesent, you can find a list about samples used. In general for SM64... found 80% of all samples until now.
@mikemaster43
@mikemaster43 3 жыл бұрын
This is a very impressive research. So fuckin Good. All music producers and sound designers are very grateful for this
@Gonereducedtoatoms
@Gonereducedtoatoms 3 жыл бұрын
Everyone reading this comment is gonna be jealous as a couple of us managed to watch this awesome video before anyone else did.
@kamil118
@kamil118 3 жыл бұрын
somebody even managed to downvote it before it went live. I'm here 3s after the release
@DeniseKazooie
@DeniseKazooie 3 жыл бұрын
hello mario
@unknowngamedev7310
@unknowngamedev7310 3 жыл бұрын
how can this comment be i day old
@DeniseKazooie
@DeniseKazooie 3 жыл бұрын
@@unknowngamedev7310 patreon go brrrr
@CasualSunGod42
@CasualSunGod42 3 жыл бұрын
I read this about twenty minutes after the video was released to the general public. I thought, "Haha, yeah, we were relatively early and everyone else is pathetic, haha, funny haha classism metaphor guys, like my comment, oh wow I'm so popular," and then I realized you wrote this comment two days before the video's release. Therefore, I suggest you do your best to brush your teeth regularly before you go zoom zoom in your vroom vroom. Health is very important and there's no shame in valuing it.
@JoPhiGURU
@JoPhiGURU 3 жыл бұрын
Oh boy! Your vid came as called! It helped me out, I think I should proceed with resampling... Wonderful influence! Thx, T.!
@editdev
@editdev 3 жыл бұрын
amazing as always. love watching ur vids as inspiration
@curesaul5749
@curesaul5749 3 жыл бұрын
Oh and Nintendo gets mad at us using their music.
@theohuotaridellgren5258
@theohuotaridellgren5258 3 жыл бұрын
Why does every british guy say "Ocariner of Time"?
@axiezimmah
@axiezimmah 3 жыл бұрын
Lindybeige has a video on that
@poppy6635
@poppy6635 3 жыл бұрын
How do you say it? Ocarinawww?
@theohuotaridellgren5258
@theohuotaridellgren5258 3 жыл бұрын
@@poppy6635 no I don’t. STFU I didn’t ask you. Bottha of wattah
@theohuotaridellgren5258
@theohuotaridellgren5258 3 жыл бұрын
@@poppy6635 anyway, let’s talk about your videos. BORING
@poppy6635
@poppy6635 3 жыл бұрын
@@theohuotaridellgren5258 okay haha
@EricE549
@EricE549 3 жыл бұрын
the use of that vocal sample in the fire temple theme is basically plunderphonics
@g2.a6
@g2.a6 6 ай бұрын
I swear that "ahhh" wailing sound i the shadow temple theme is the exact same sound in MGS2 when the colonel goes all crazy.
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