The Sega vs Nintendo War: A Very European/UK Perspective (Over 100 Games!) - Kim Justice

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Kim Justice

Kim Justice

Күн бұрын

#sega #nintendo #documentary
Sega vs Nintendo! SNES vs Genesis! The Console Wars! NES vs Master System! Or, in this case, the Super NES vs The Mega Drive, as it should be. There's a lot of stuff about this glorious time kicking around...but here's a video looking at what it was like in Europe and the UK. Needless to say, things were a bit different! So let's have a look at what happened, what the biggest games were, some of the differences between PAL and NTSC games, the advertising...so much. And if nothing else, there's footage of over 100 classic 8/16-bit games to pore over! So relax and enjoy this look at just what happened over here back then. Enjoy!
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Featured music:
Sega CD Boot music Ver. 2
Ninja Gaiden - Act 2-2
Phantasy Star - Intro
Zillion - Pure Stone
Gauntlet (NES) - Song C
Alex Kidd in Miracle World - Main Theme
Power Strike II - Level 1
Gimmick! - Slow Illusion
Super Thunder Blade - Stage 1
Super Mario World - Fortress
Sonic The Hedgehog - Scrap Brain Zone
F-Zero - Silence
Street Fighter II: The World Warrior - Ken Stage
Tommy Lasorda Baseball - Inning 1-3
East 17 - House of Love
Bottom - Opening Theme
Filthy, Rich and Catflap - End Theme
H.W.A. feat. Sonic The Hedgehog - SuperSonic
Columns (GG) - Clotho
Super Mario Land - World 2-1
Aladdin - Agrabah Rooftops
Chrono Trigger - Secret of the Forest
Star Fox - Corneria
Zero Wing - Natols
Super James Pond - Main Hub
Phantasy Star IV - Tower
Super Metroid - Crateria
Streets of Rage 3 - The Poets 1
OutRun (SMS) - Passing Breeze

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@Kim_Justice
@Kim_Justice 5 жыл бұрын
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@Sm0k3dogg
@Sm0k3dogg 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent documentary, much better than this one kzfaq.info/get/bejne/frh-i7ml2s7diX0.html
@stewartfennell8926
@stewartfennell8926 3 жыл бұрын
I totally forgot that Rik Mayall was in Nintendo ads....
@eldartaghiyev8422
@eldartaghiyev8422 3 жыл бұрын
Got other country on Europe 🇪🇺 type Sweden 🇸🇪, Denmark 🇩🇰, ect Sega channel or not? I is Swedish 🇸🇪.
@eldartaghiyev8422
@eldartaghiyev8422 3 жыл бұрын
It was 2007 not 2004.
@G.L.999
@G.L.999 2 жыл бұрын
I know Americans and Canadians definitely would've appreciated Terranigma. But I also think it would've been pretty cool if we got some the European sports games you guys exclusively played in your region. I think it would've helped us Americans understand and appreciate other sports played outside the U.S. much like you guys with Madden.
@chramb
@chramb 7 жыл бұрын
The biggest differences to me from a german point of view. 1. Similiar to the UK with the Sinclar ZX, the C64 was very popular in Germany. 2. It seems that almost every kid in Germany had a Game Boy, so Nintendo was a allready established name. 3. In Germany you could get the Nintendo Club Magazin (Nintendo Power) for free at your local toy store. 4. Nintendo put a lot of effort into localization! (It was even printed ontoo the boxes "Mit deutschem Bildschirmtext", so Zelda-A Link to the past, was a huge sucess, simply because german kids could finally got what was going on and follow the story.) 5. No Arcades! The legislature put video game machines in the same categorie as slot machines, so you wouldn't find Video Games outside of shady casinos, billiard saloons etc. all prohibit to persons under 18 y.o. (Therefore no kid in germany would even know what an arcade mode in a game was. We just called it ultra hard mode or mode with time limit^^) 6. No comperative advertising, also prohibit.
@nickthelick
@nickthelick 4 жыл бұрын
Wow man, that sounds pretty fucked up about arcades being prohibited... I take it that it was something to do with there being an East and West Germany at the time?
@MrAlex-vm4gf
@MrAlex-vm4gf 4 жыл бұрын
I live in germany but I didn't experience that time. Nice to know how it was in germany back then!
@stevenr224
@stevenr224 2 жыл бұрын
Ehm no. The explanation was given, that it fell under the same law as slot machines. Yes, it was stupid and I am thankful to know arcades from the US Armee basis. But still, sometimes we could experience it at festivals etc.
@HappyBeezerStudios
@HappyBeezerStudios 2 жыл бұрын
Actively I only experienced the late part of the "war", with one friend of my parents having a SNES and another one an Amiga 500. So that is basically the stuff I played. Later on I had a Gameboy and got the PS1 from my father, chipped obviously. So I was one of those who had both, a Playstation and N64 back then. Games like Speedball 2, Lemmings, SWIV, Wings of Fury, Super Mario World, Lion King, Donkey Kong Country, Tetris, etc
@HappyBeezerStudios
@HappyBeezerStudios 2 жыл бұрын
@@nickthelick I think it was a bit more about gambling. Not unlike what is happening today, just in a slightly different way.
@Sut1978
@Sut1978 8 жыл бұрын
Brilliant video once again ! The Americans sometimes have an hard time believing the NES and Nintendo weren't omnipotent. Thanks for bringing the European story to the masses.
@haruhisuzumiya6650
@haruhisuzumiya6650 8 жыл бұрын
+Martin Sutcliffe Nintendo did lose Europe but it was a close effort, Japan and the USA were Nintendo's and Sega did push USA market, Australia was also an area of interest, in the end, Nintendo had the numbers in Japan and USA to stop Sega from winning the 16 bit wars.
@drunkensailor112
@drunkensailor112 7 жыл бұрын
Haruhi Suzumiya it wasn't close at all in europe between nintendo and europe.
@joed5150
@joed5150 6 жыл бұрын
It's hard to understand because as much as I loved my Genesis, NES and SNES just had truly superior libraries.
@desther7975
@desther7975 5 жыл бұрын
@@joed5150 That, and something I picked up on even at a kid was that the SNES had superior graphics and sound to the Genesis. I was happy to be an SNES owner and had endless fun with my small library of games for it.
@leonleon3267
@leonleon3267 4 жыл бұрын
amen to that, growning up i knew ONE person that had a nes my cousin, and he was a fucking pleb anyway, always laugh at the americans disbelief that not everybody loves nintendo
@THENAMEISQUICKMAN
@THENAMEISQUICKMAN 8 жыл бұрын
Still can't believe that the European SNES never got Chrono Trigger. What a mistake.
@chrisw5654
@chrisw5654 8 жыл бұрын
+Shinku Quickman The European SNES never got EarthBound (which was released in North America) either. Europe had to wait until it was released on the Virtual Console for Wii U to play it legally.
@Bunnellius
@Bunnellius 8 жыл бұрын
+Shinku Quickman Based on this video they really got burned rpg-wise. :\ Rough stuff...
@zacotb
@zacotb 8 жыл бұрын
+Bunnellius Well, Europe did get Terranigma. Never got released in America.
@geekgo4
@geekgo4 7 жыл бұрын
There was lots of games neither those in North America or Europe have gotten.
@THEGREATMAX
@THEGREATMAX 7 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I was gonna say Earthbound but someone beat me to it. Seriously, with no EB and Chrono Trigger, you guys BARELY HAD A SNES
@avideogamemaster
@avideogamemaster 8 жыл бұрын
As for what happened here in Brazil: Sega was huge, the Master System and the Mega-Drive sold well. After that I didnt hear much of them. 32x was nonexistent and the Saturn failed miserably in comparison to the playstation. One big reason was the high price of the games and the impossibility of playing pirate games (the playstation could play pirate games and piracy is a disease here in south america). The Dreamcast did ok, but again the piracy killed the system.
@ppgranja3
@ppgranja3 8 жыл бұрын
O Mega-Drive e meu console favorito! Tenho memorias fantasticas dele nos anos 90!! Good old times!
@Madchaskon
@Madchaskon 8 жыл бұрын
in chile the megadrive was kinda popuiar, but we had one of the worst tv commercials for sonic 1.
@Bellocks1
@Bellocks1 7 жыл бұрын
Juan Vedder for me in the UK the Mega Drive/Genesis was king. I didn't know anyone who had a SNES.
@RodrigoPalmer91
@RodrigoPalmer91 4 жыл бұрын
The Dreamcast was born dead.
@Halbared
@Halbared 3 жыл бұрын
@@Bellocks1 I has a Megadrive and then a Snes, and knew several who had a Snes, but i think the Mega sold more in the UK.
@RazorEdge2006
@RazorEdge2006 6 жыл бұрын
It's funny how the Sega vs Nintendo war was the reverse in the UK/Europe compared to the US/Canada. In the US/Canada, Nintendo won the 8-bit war before Sega gave them a tough 16-bit war. In the UK/Europe, Sega won the 8-bit war before Nintendo gave them a tough 16-bit war.
@HsienKoMeiLingFormerYANG
@HsienKoMeiLingFormerYANG 6 жыл бұрын
Razor Edge Actually Sega didn’t even win so called 8 bit war in Europe.
@TheBeird
@TheBeird 8 жыл бұрын
After the Kimblitz, I'd reckon you would have taken a long break. But these last few weeks have been the best videos you've ever done. This vid in particular is important, I find, because the European theatre (as it were) for the 16 bit wars is never covered. Your stuff is exactly what games journalism should aspire to; intriguing fact based information mixed with opinion steeped in the personality of the content maker which is approachable, charming and NOT condescending or pandering to the viewer. Keep up the good work Kim!
@renbymon
@renbymon 8 жыл бұрын
+H.D Beird Absolutely this. I can't echo this enough.
@Ali-Britco
@Ali-Britco 6 жыл бұрын
This is my first video of Kim's. What's the Kim Blitz? Yes I know the original comment is a year old but I'm hoping you'll see past that and answer anyway :P
@barneyharper7568
@barneyharper7568 8 жыл бұрын
Very refreshing to see how Nintendo and Sega faired in the UK/Europe during the late 80's and early 90's. Mirrors my experience from that time perfectly. I wish I could recall the Rik Mayall ads though.
@onaretrotip
@onaretrotip 8 жыл бұрын
First video of yours I've watched. Wow, these must take ages! Great watch.
@Spitta504TV
@Spitta504TV 5 жыл бұрын
To get this good. It takes Ages.... Sega
@oldskoolraveruk
@oldskoolraveruk 8 жыл бұрын
Have been watching your videos for year or 2 now and I must say they are probably some of the best on YT. Keep up the great work. This shits better than ANYTHING on the telly!
@Fattydeposit
@Fattydeposit 8 жыл бұрын
I hope a few American enthusiasts end up stumbling upon this. Being a Brit in my late '30s I can obviously relate and concur with a lot of the observations and views here. I was lucky in that as a child my first proper start with gaming was with a Sega Master System (with Hang-On / Safari Hunt built in & the light phaser peripheral and Afterburner) which was bought abroad in the States circa 1988. It took a year or so before I knew anyone else with one but it wasn't before long that loads of Speccy and C64 owners had upgraded. NES owners were always rare but we all knew that the Mario and Mega Man games were amazing thanks to the timed demo pods the local Virgin Megastore had (games were Mario 1, Mario 2, Turtles, Mega Man and Bayou Billy) - alongside a proper booth area which was dedicated to the Sega Master System. Curiously, the demo area for the SMS didn't have control pads out for the public to try: You had to wait in line and ask to try a game out, but of the selection on offer most would be ones from the budget-but-quality line - titles like The Ninja, Secret Command, Wonder Boy and Alex Kidd in Miracle World. Double Dragon was far and away the most popular game, though - it was all about that 2-player co-op. Shinobi and Wonder Boy in Monster Land were the most traded games amongst the kids in the neighbourhood, and Wonder Boy III: The Dragons Trap was popular even after we'd got our minds blown from grey imported Mega Drives sporting Super Hang On, Super Shinobi and Ghouls n' Ghosts. PAL Mario 3 carts finally appeared in shops after the Snes Mario 4 bundle came out, by the time which the luckier amongst us had already mastered the first wave or two of Super Famicom games.
@WR3ND
@WR3ND 5 жыл бұрын
"I hope a few American enthusiasts end up stumbling upon this." Why's that? Shame we didn't get Elite on the NES at any rate. Cheers.
@Halbared
@Halbared 3 жыл бұрын
@Johnny B. Bad I was a UK Nes owner, rare made some of my favourite games, I had most, they were just the best.
@Halbared
@Halbared 3 жыл бұрын
It's funny, the most traded games in my playground were Super Mario 2 and Zelda. Toys'r'us had yuge selection of Nes games (and Master and C64)
@walvegasgunsandoutdoors
@walvegasgunsandoutdoors 7 жыл бұрын
Wow going from the Spectrum to the Mega Drive I bet you felt like a boss
@lucasoheyze4597
@lucasoheyze4597 4 жыл бұрын
It was like the future had arrived...I remember sitting up all night playing games like Wonder Boy, Budokan and California Games, just blown away by it.
@firemonger5409
@firemonger5409 3 жыл бұрын
Double Doobie Nah going from spectrum to the Super Famicom. THAT is when people felt like a boss
@firemonger5409
@firemonger5409 3 жыл бұрын
Lucas O'heyze Nah it wasn’t. If you play Super Metroid, Star Fox, R Type, F Zero, Contra 3, and Sonic Blast Man, those games will blow your balls off.
@golangismyjam
@golangismyjam 3 жыл бұрын
@@firemonger5409 I like how you are dictating other people's memories 😂
@francisbrodie9140
@francisbrodie9140 3 жыл бұрын
Lol I went from an amstrad to mega drive it was amazing I couldn’t believe what I was seeing
@michaelhalliday395
@michaelhalliday395 3 жыл бұрын
I think this my all time favourite Kim video. And that’s saying something
@DJTwenty2020
@DJTwenty2020 8 жыл бұрын
Kim, your documentaries are excellent, please keep up the great work! I always get excited when I see that you have uploaded a new vid!
@AdiSneakerFreak
@AdiSneakerFreak 8 жыл бұрын
Another top video Kim, keep up the great work.
@darinherrick9224
@darinherrick9224 2 жыл бұрын
One thing I find REALLY interesting about this is that some people in the game industry had this goal that a game console would be a long-term household item in EVERY home, line a telephone or a television, but the industry competition kept pushing for more better faster stronger and expected you to buy a new console every couple of years. But in Europe and South America they ACHIEVED that appliance state where a console was so popular you could keep selling them forever, but they threw this advantage away in favor of unified strategy. As an American I gotta say I would far have preferred long tail product cycles like we saw with SONY where the PS2 and PS3 were sold ten years after debut. Honestly I would prefer that a really good piece of hardware be manufactured forever and they just update it slightly (give the N64 and PS2 HDMI output, fix the Dreamcast so that every game works with VGA output). Alas...marketing.
@renbymon
@renbymon 8 жыл бұрын
Your videos are quickly becoming the best thing about Mondays, especially your documentary like videos. Can't wait for the next vid. :D
@talkshushigeisha
@talkshushigeisha 8 жыл бұрын
Another fantastic video, honestly one of the best researched and presented channels I have seen on KZfaq. You'd honestly write an amazing book as you are great at not only breaking down a topic but also looking at events from another perspective. Well done :)
@malBOROkid
@malBOROkid 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Kim, this is one of my most watched vids of yours, excellent work!
@ShapeyFiend
@ShapeyFiend 8 жыл бұрын
On an anecdotal level I saw 10 times more NES consoles in Ireland than I saw Master Systems. This I believe was spurred on by there being lots of Playchoice 10's in arcades. There were MS games for rent in video shops though so someone must have owned them although I only knew one kid. The Mega Drive seemed to do slightly better than the SNES because it was cheaper and people didn't have much money at the time but there wasn't much between them by the end.
@RyanDanielG
@RyanDanielG 8 жыл бұрын
Another great video Kim!! Wonderful to hear a thorough point of view from another perspective. Keep up the GREAT work!!
@THEGREATMAX
@THEGREATMAX 7 жыл бұрын
I live in the US, and I had a Master System, but I didn't get it until the end days of the NES. I already had a Genesis/Megadrive by then, but I was just a kid who loved games and wanted to try more and more kinds of games
@flamingwoodz
@flamingwoodz 8 жыл бұрын
One of your best videos yet Kim! They were such magic days *sniff*
@TipsterLIVE
@TipsterLIVE 8 жыл бұрын
I always love hearing about the video game market in other parts of the world. Thanks for sharing!
@eddiepurple
@eddiepurple 8 жыл бұрын
Yet another fantastic video, what a great body of work you've produced, nice one.
@heilong79
@heilong79 8 жыл бұрын
Here in Ireland it was Nes all the way, very similar to America, I only knew of one person with a master system. The mega drive was the better system in the early 90s besides the fact that all the multi platform magazines were very Nintendo biased. Although all us MD owners dreamed of owning street fighter at the time the SNES had it packed in.
@thommohawk1216
@thommohawk1216 6 жыл бұрын
The fact that Chrono Trigger never saw a release over here on the SNES was bloody criminal.
@MicahBuzanANIMATION
@MicahBuzanANIMATION 8 жыл бұрын
The amount of detail you put into your videos is inspiring.
@billyh88uk
@billyh88uk 6 жыл бұрын
Brilliant video, so good to finally get a UK perspective! I grew up with an Amiga 500 until getting a SNES in 1994, a second-hand Mega Drive around 1997 and an N64 in 1999. 16-bit games were extremely cheap and easy to find in the late 1990s as everyone was buying Playstation/N64 games instead - I almost doubled my game collection in 1998 alone.
@alexshadowfax1119
@alexshadowfax1119 Жыл бұрын
I had never even heard of the master system til I found some retro games channels on KZfaq, it's very interesting seeing all the different perspectives, awesome video, just found your channel, have a great day everyone.
@MannyBiggz
@MannyBiggz 8 жыл бұрын
You do great work Kim. Keep it up!. Also, good on ya for dropping an OSW Review reference.
@CasperEgas
@CasperEgas 8 жыл бұрын
Great video again! Thank you Kim.
@TheElclipper
@TheElclipper 8 жыл бұрын
Great video Thanks Kim!
@joeyvlo
@joeyvlo 6 жыл бұрын
This video is marvelous at almost 42 Mins! Very good job!
@walnutpearl
@walnutpearl 8 жыл бұрын
Every video you have made lately is pure deep fried gold.
@iestynthomas2065
@iestynthomas2065 8 жыл бұрын
Another great video Kim, i've really enjoyed your last 4-5.
@KaotikKnight
@KaotikKnight 8 жыл бұрын
I still remember the TV ad that said "Do me a favour... Plug me into a SEGA" aww good times.
@GeoNeilUK
@GeoNeilUK 8 жыл бұрын
+KaotikKnight Is that the advert with the talking colour bars?
@KaotikKnight
@KaotikKnight 8 жыл бұрын
GeoNeilUK yes it was.
@MegaFeeso
@MegaFeeso 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks for clarifying the snes pronunciation differences, I always wondered why people spell it out online lol
@vdubwise
@vdubwise 8 жыл бұрын
another great video, really enjoyed it. Very informative some interesting facts I did not know
@AumchanterPiLetsPlay
@AumchanterPiLetsPlay 8 жыл бұрын
Love your stuff. Patreon next month.
@mediaphile
@mediaphile 8 жыл бұрын
Excellent video as always. Shadowrun and Flashback for the Sega Genesis/Megadrive were my two favorite games of that generation, and I still play them through every year or two. They were both so unique and beautiful and interesting. If anyone hasn't played them, I recommend them even today.
@sumptuousturkey6933
@sumptuousturkey6933 7 жыл бұрын
This video is absolutely amazing great work Kim justice these videos are amazing keep up the great work 👍
@mulderscully3707
@mulderscully3707 8 жыл бұрын
Awesome video mate!👍👍👍👍
@Gxpblog
@Gxpblog 8 жыл бұрын
Another fantastic video Kim. You seem to somehow be improving the quantity and quality of your work? Incredible stuff! :-)
@D0nCab
@D0nCab 8 жыл бұрын
big up youself kim. your content is always awesome and your channel is my new favourite on the whole of youtube.
@etansivad
@etansivad 8 жыл бұрын
As a Yankee who never knew any of this side of the story, this was a great video. Thank you so much.
@WickerMan73
@WickerMan73 8 жыл бұрын
brilliant video as always
@thinkstump
@thinkstump 8 жыл бұрын
Great channel Kim Justice!
@AumchanterPiLetsPlay
@AumchanterPiLetsPlay 8 жыл бұрын
Big like dudue! I LOVE your documentaries man, you're my go to guy. Keep up the good work.
@ChrisDoesTV
@ChrisDoesTV 8 жыл бұрын
Great video Kim
@trnbutcher5780
@trnbutcher5780 8 жыл бұрын
Another awesome vid, thank you! Incidentally, the console wars 'The Northern Version' was: The hard kids got a Mega drive, the rich kids got a Snes, the rest of us played Street Fighter 2 on our Commodores. Your best mate was basically the kid you knew with Sensi soccer and a second controller :)
@98of99
@98of99 6 жыл бұрын
Awesome video Kim - definitely a different experience you had in the U.K. with the console wars than we did in the US, just like it was with computers. I’d be interested in a similar video on the BBS experience there including BBS games. Thanks for being awesome!
@jamesarmstrong2137
@jamesarmstrong2137 8 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed that, thanks Justice
@tentringer4065
@tentringer4065 6 жыл бұрын
Fun fact, the boffin actor in the Sega adverts would go on to play Spudgun in Bottom, which starred Rik Mayall
@Nate1979
@Nate1979 8 жыл бұрын
Can't wait to dig into this. Cheers!
@harrydiplock6915
@harrydiplock6915 8 жыл бұрын
Awesome video man! Subbed.
@Myollnir98
@Myollnir98 8 жыл бұрын
I recall reading a preview of Chrono Trigger in either Total or NMS and getting very excited for it, only for it to never show up (at least until the DS, but I didn't wait that long to play it!). Another superb vid with a much needed alternate perspective on the 16-bit days, those were great times indeed.
@yank3656
@yank3656 6 жыл бұрын
thanks for sharing Kim Justice
@GamerSi
@GamerSi 8 жыл бұрын
superb video Kim, I've wanted to see someone do this subject for years. Very well done. Isnt it odd that the star of Segas adverts was one of Rik Mayalls crowd and best known for playing Spudgun in "Bottom" alongside Mayall?
@alienspacebat5218
@alienspacebat5218 6 жыл бұрын
The Sonic 2 on the Master System wasn't a port of the one on the Mega Drive/Genesis, it was an entirely new game.
@captainbeefy917
@captainbeefy917 8 жыл бұрын
Sweet! Got my Kim Justice fix tonight!
@battroman8965
@battroman8965 8 жыл бұрын
Also yeah it's always been pronounced seega in Australia and I found it odd when I started seeing videos of people that pronounced it different But apparently we are the ones not saying it correctly ???
@eila2088
@eila2088 8 жыл бұрын
+S Wils Sega pronunces it like the American "SEGA!" in ads and pre roll you hear in many Sega games. Is also pronunced and written as "SEGA" in Japan. Some marketing firms didn't stay on message. On an aside, in Canada we say both S N E S and snes but as "sness" and not "snez". I hear the former less often among non retro/gaming people though.
@CynicalBastard
@CynicalBastard 7 жыл бұрын
nice. you dug through alot of interesting facts, and went down some interesting avenues. truly, a nice history lesson. and F' me, you put in the list of music; excellent.
@battroman8965
@battroman8965 8 жыл бұрын
Bloody amazing Kim thanks again
@yansproductions
@yansproductions 8 жыл бұрын
man im a brazilian gamer and in brazil we don't say sega genesis we like japan and europe say sega megadrive
@adamfrazer5150
@adamfrazer5150 2 жыл бұрын
@<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="820">13:40</a> I love how on the promo material for the SNES you can see ZELDA III amongst the other launch titles 😎
@RMoocher
@RMoocher 7 жыл бұрын
That was a very informative video, thanks.
@screwdriver1996
@screwdriver1996 5 жыл бұрын
Great as always
@jrherita
@jrherita 8 жыл бұрын
Great Video Kim Justice! As an American it's great to hear the UK/Euro perspective on this and the early computers... Now to see if you have a video on the Atari ST.. :)
@Horzuhammer
@Horzuhammer 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks for another awesome vid! It's very interesting how all these things went down in different countries. Here in Finland, the Nes and the SMS were released virtually at the same time, and the Nes was even about a fifty euros (in today's money) more expensive than the Master System, but still the SMS was totally obscured by the big N. Don't quite know why, but my guess would be Super Mario Bros. Even the MegaDrives were quite rare in comparision to other countries.
@eila2088
@eila2088 8 жыл бұрын
Best strike witches but poor taste (Sega boy here) in old consoles!
@Horzuhammer
@Horzuhammer 8 жыл бұрын
Strike Witches seems pretty interesting, at least after five minutes of research. First time I ever heard of such a thing, so thanks!
@Halbared
@Halbared 3 жыл бұрын
THe Nintendos' really sewed up the Nordic area.
@leonreaper90
@leonreaper90 5 жыл бұрын
Ah The Bit Wars, I served in the Sega Army. Many of my fellow comrades never came back. 😔😔
@caseycu
@caseycu 6 жыл бұрын
LMAO! Kim I absolutely LOVE your “SEGA!” impersonation at <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1018">16:58</a>! 🤣
@grype83
@grype83 7 жыл бұрын
Appreciate the video, as an American i thank you for the educational video. Being a life long gamer in my 30's i had some knowledge of the differences between the US and European game markets but you brought up a lot of details that i had no idea of. I'm actually a little shocked that so many people had no idea that the video games market was vastly different in other countries. Even today there are significant differences depending on where your from, just look at how hard of a time Microsoft has had in Japan since the original Xbox.
@leonleon3267
@leonleon3267 9 ай бұрын
I think a lot of it is basic economics for uk familys at the time, spend 40 quid on a game for an nes in 1988 or buy a microcomputer and get games for as little as 99p (cents) or 7 quid for a brand new release and that's it really, when sega came along they managed to keep the price pretty low while the quality was as good in not better than the nes so people got on board with sega also i think the arcade recognition helped with games like outrun shinobi eect ect
@MetalHorrorGamer
@MetalHorrorGamer 7 жыл бұрын
i just realized I've been watching a lot of your video and i must say. Wow you have great content. I also love that your not American because you have a different perspective on console and specific eras like the 16 bit wars. I'm subscribing now. Again great content and keep up the great work.
@justsomeguy8385
@justsomeguy8385 8 жыл бұрын
I grew up with an NES(I'm American) and the whole time I never knew the Master System existed. I actually thought Sega's first console was the Genesis until just a few years ago. It looks like a great system.
@edbadyt
@edbadyt 8 жыл бұрын
It was a lot stronger. Look up Phantasy Star.
@justsomeguy8385
@justsomeguy8385 8 жыл бұрын
Did you mean to reply to a different comment?
@alexojideagu
@alexojideagu 7 жыл бұрын
America did a complete Number on the US brainwashing it. Europe had a thriving diverse games market
@justsomeguy8385
@justsomeguy8385 7 жыл бұрын
I think you mean marketing. Brainwashing is something else.
@AlexOjideagu2
@AlexOjideagu2 7 жыл бұрын
Brainwashing is a turn of phrase, meaning Nintendo completely manipulated Americans through marketing and illegal practices.
@3venFl0w
@3venFl0w 3 жыл бұрын
Great video 👍
@andrewalexander4331
@andrewalexander4331 7 жыл бұрын
I grew up in England and only knew the NES and SNES well. Tho equally, it seemed like an even amount of kids in school were raving about Sega as much as Nintendo, it felt very even.
@Halbared
@Halbared 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it was about 50/50
@Rohaldos
@Rohaldos 7 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy watching your videos. thank you
@HeathenDance
@HeathenDance 6 жыл бұрын
The Sega dude, on the UK commercials is Welsh actor Peter Wingfield, he was part of the Highlander TV series cast.
@HappyBeezerStudios
@HappyBeezerStudios 2 жыл бұрын
We didn't really have a video game crash in the early 80s. By the time Nintendo came around with the Famicom/NES, 8-bit micros and homecomputers were already well established, and stayed like it far into the 90s, with some of the later machines being things like the Amiga and Atari 500.
@spriles
@spriles 5 жыл бұрын
Love the video!
@jerrylee7666
@jerrylee7666 6 жыл бұрын
Nice video man
@SQGReviewShow
@SQGReviewShow 7 жыл бұрын
Another fantastic video, Ms. Justice! I always knew the Sega Master System did better in Europe since they got Sonic 2 8 bit and Sonic Chaos as far as 1993, while Master System ceased production in 1991 in North America if I'm not mistaken. I just had no idea it competed that well with the NES.
@TheRealAmericanMan
@TheRealAmericanMan 4 жыл бұрын
Anyone got any idea what the background music being used around <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1320">22:00</a> - <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1380">23:00</a> is? It’s like a mix of Sonic and 90’s club music and I kind of need it
@thadonis.
@thadonis. 5 жыл бұрын
Does anyone know which was released in the UK first? Sega Megadrive or Nintendo Gameboy??
@philv2529
@philv2529 8 жыл бұрын
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1025">17:05</a> that actor looks like Methos from the Highlander TV show.
@Kim_Justice
@Kim_Justice 8 жыл бұрын
+Phil V He is!
@RockRedGenesis
@RockRedGenesis 8 жыл бұрын
He is welsh actor Peter Wingfield, also known for playing in Soldier, Solder; Stargate SG-1, Holby City, NCIS: LA, and he had a role in X2: X-Men United as well as the awful Catwomen from 2004.
@robbierupac9442
@robbierupac9442 7 жыл бұрын
Phil V I thought I saw a puddy cat. Kidding thought at first glance I saw a Seth Green
@gamesessions
@gamesessions 8 жыл бұрын
Another amazing video - thank you for making this - really great to here the British (our) perspective on the console wars. Very nostalgic and oh so very true :)
@Jutrzen
@Jutrzen 4 жыл бұрын
What's the music you can hear during the sega commercials between 17 and 19 minutes?
@Fellipe2k5
@Fellipe2k5 8 жыл бұрын
Alex Kidd is GOD in Brazil \o/ Master System and TecToy forever, man!!!
@TheChestnutBowl
@TheChestnutBowl 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this window into the 16-bit wars in Europe. You guys got some nice releases over there; Flink, especially looks great. Much more color than I would have expected from a Genesis game. Edit: Just looked up Flink and realized it did get a release in the US. It's over $100.00 now, though.
@andrewalexander4331
@andrewalexander4331 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video! It's so interesting that back then, being pre-internet, we were so unaware of the differences between UK video games and the outside world, particularly 1) How far behind NES games were. I was probably only just discovering the magic of Mario 1 when Mario 3 was coming out in Japan. 2) I had no idea what a turn-based RPG was. I thought Zelda was an RPG. 3) Name changes. Shadow Warriors, Starwing, Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles, Illusion Of Time .... nowadays I'm almost forgetting the names of these games I originally knew,
@Halbared
@Halbared 3 жыл бұрын
Did you not read the mags at the time? I remember getting Club NIntendo and them saying Archon would come out, then I'd get C&VG or Mean Machine and see it wasn't but then I@d see all the import games that wouldn't play on my mattel Nes, I was pretty annoyed! I even wanted to start importing games! I also thought Zelda was a RPG and still do to this day, don't like the turn based stuff. And I also got confused over some of the name changes. :D
@Champion2D
@Champion2D 8 жыл бұрын
Superb vid Kim. Another thoroughly entertaining doc that for once was refreshing to see the UK perspective. It's so weird for me hearing the nes didn't have much of a foothold here as I had a nes back then and I never got that impression. Most of my mates had nes consoles and I remember when the tmht game got a pack in release it was a pretty big deal. Of course I did know people that had micro computers and master systems but the nes seemed just as high profile around my way. Maybe it was just in London as I have been told the nes was virtually non existent in other parts of the country in particular up north.
@Halbared
@Halbared 3 жыл бұрын
Same here, I had a Nes and so did friends. The sales were 50/50
@geekfest2000
@geekfest2000 8 жыл бұрын
Yeah, they pronounce it "See-ga" here in Australia. I found out the British pronunciation from the song "Jump Around" by House Of Pain!
@stufaman
@stufaman 7 жыл бұрын
Seems strange that Sega had Spudgun and Nintendo had Rick Mayall from Bottom. Yes, the UK pretty much had it's own game industry after the crash of 83. NES didn't impact much over C64, but Master System did.
@AlexOjideagu2
@AlexOjideagu2 7 жыл бұрын
There was no crash in Europe whatsoever
@stufaman
@stufaman 7 жыл бұрын
The crash only really had a negative affect on the US IMO. Japan carried on with the console. Europe had it's own computers and developers.
@Halbared
@Halbared 3 жыл бұрын
C64 was the main machine up until the 90's, then both the 8-bit consoles took over. Commodore and Amstrad saw the writing on the wall a lil earlier and tried to make consoles which both bombed.
@madfunkyone
@madfunkyone 8 жыл бұрын
HUGE kudos for using the HWA track. I thought I was the only one who remembered (let alone bought) Super Sonic.
@RAEMONDORMIN
@RAEMONDORMIN 8 жыл бұрын
great vid mate
@Kharnivore2099
@Kharnivore2099 8 жыл бұрын
It's always interesting when talking about games with people that only have the US history to go on. People will preach about how we wouldn't have games today had it not been for the holy Nintendo, yet have absolutely no idea of what was going on in other parts of the world and no knowledge of the home computer market. Nintendo obviously did a lot of great work, but to give them all of the praise and all of the credit when they did just as much to destroy it, it's just a crying shame. Given how expensive the games were and how much alternatives were on offer, some people will just not understand that Nintendo didn't really effect your time with games. I have some fond memories of Nintendo games, but they are a very small part of my time with games.
@Halbared
@Halbared 3 жыл бұрын
I think that just comes from youtube being very American dominant, Even Brit KZfaqrs pronounce things like septics these days. I had commodore, Sega and NIntendo, but it's NIntendo that made up most of my gaming in the UK :D
@MrSlashStudios
@MrSlashStudios 8 жыл бұрын
A NEW KIM JUSTICE VIDEO WOHOOO! :D
@oddsox827
@oddsox827 6 жыл бұрын
I am so shocked that Sega done so well in the UK, I only knew one person that had a mega drive, my mates older brother, and I only once saw a master system at a cousins house.maybe it was a south London thing. I remember MD adverts but not MS, I remember when I got my NES, I'd never played one, I couldn't believe it would get any better than that.I had come from a C64 mind you.
@Halbared
@Halbared 3 жыл бұрын
I was a C64 then a Nes owner. I knew Sega did well even though I myself never knew anyone with a Master. To hear some here talk you'd think Nintendo didn't exist in the UK! I then got a Megadrive. :D
@Halbared
@Halbared 7 ай бұрын
@@Mr_Smith_20 Wrong. In school I knew kids who had Nes, Amiga, Atari, no master. Then it was Megadrive and Snes. I'm not daft or ignorant enough to assume kids never saw Master's though. 16 bit started in the UK with the Amiga and the 8 bit and 16 bit time co-existed till the mid 90's when both the Nes and Maser were discontinued. By 1991 Nes had sold 800,000 and the master 700,000, the lead flip-flopped a few times and by the end they'd both sold 1.5 million. Biggest selling console of 1991 was the Nes with 325 units shifted (pre-price drop), a nice Turtles tie-in. The master sold one third of it's total haul in 1992 (536 units) after the price dropped in 1991, since the Megadrive had been released and the Master was 50 quid, 500,000 units shifted. The Nes then dropped it's price in 1992 and sold 275k units, because the Snes was out. Sales speak for themselves though, as opposed to anecdotal tales, and they don't change. My own anecdotal memory of school yard is swapping Nes games. The chat at that point was Amiga and Nintendo as far as home games went.
@Halbared
@Halbared 7 ай бұрын
@@Mr_Smith_20 Yes you were wrong about the Nes not being a thing, the sales are the sales, and you ignorantly label me; not unusual with some sorts. Computer games were the real cheap games, 2 quid for a tape, cheaper if you copied (this was the case for disks later on too). My first machine was a 64. By 1991 Nes has 800.000 units sold, the master 700,000. The Nes was the best selling console of 1991 and best 8-bit of 1993. Master was the best selling 8-bit console of 1992. Megadrive was the best selling of 1992 and 1993. All those so called 'rich kids buying Nes' and making it the best selling machine of 1991. All machines were 'expensive' kit, until they were reduced, which happened to all machines as they age. The price of a Vic 20 in 1980 was more in real terms than a Nes in 1991.
@Halbared
@Halbared 7 ай бұрын
@@Mr_Smith_20 Four rapid replies, blimey, temper tantrum! Somebody got their knickers in a twist. I gave you the benefit of the doubt, I see now that was misplaced, ah well, c'est la vie. "copy and paste", now that is funny. "Lies" too, anyone with basic reading ability (so not you) can check on the independent figures, one thing Nintendo were never shy about is figures, unlike someone else, but there's good reason for that. ;) Anyway, it's a matter of independent record. I did try and find a Nes a while back, to use on a modern telly, there was loads. I still have my original 1987 Mattel® version but I've not had a crt for years. The one thing you are correct about (stopped clock?) is Nes games being roughly a tenner more than a master. In 1991 this was not as bad as it was ten years earlier. "Preserve of the rich kids", your ignorance and chip is really quite telling here, it's also illogical. Bu there's no helping some people. The fact you say Nintendo has been proven to lie about sales figures shows me what you're about. Ho-hey. ;) Also, you lay claim to how Brits should talk, you were born in the late 80's so it's no surprise that you are totally ignorant and clueless about this period, but there are scans of magazines from that time, which help; Argos catalogues too, to help people who weren't actually there. ;) Walk into any newsagents and half the consoles mags were about the Nes. 2000-2004, wow, such a font. I've seen lots of Nes games at car boots. Just weren't popular when they were half the 8-bit market, haha, OK genius, all those magazines, Electronic Arts and all websites are all in on the scam, because your knowledge from 2004 is the best knowledge! No that really does deserve a LMAO> Euro 8-bit nerds? Crikey lad you're thick as you are ignorant as you are rude, there's o helping sorts like you. I was a gamer, go read up on sales figures. I went out and earned my pennies, as did most gamers back then. Thinking on, seems you're a tad xenophobic as well. Always the case though, when facts don't mater cry and scream and attack the person.
@BigWillChannel
@BigWillChannel 8 жыл бұрын
Rock vs stick! Only 2000 BCE kids will understand.
@RiC_David
@RiC_David 8 жыл бұрын
Aw man, I was born too late.
@videotape2959
@videotape2959 6 жыл бұрын
Are you a 2000 BC kid? Fuck I'm not but I wish I was, I wish I was born in Babylon. But maybe I'm an old soul that got resurrected because Iraq is still my favorite country in the world, that place resonates with me. Huhm.
@RazorEdge2006
@RazorEdge2006 6 жыл бұрын
Rock vs Stick is so 5000 BC. In 2000 BC, it was all about Bronze vs Iron!
@Imgema
@Imgema 8 жыл бұрын
Great video. I was expecting a bit more coverage in the original Donkey Kong Country phenomenon though. That was just as big (or even bigger) push for the SNES as SF2.
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