i attempt to figure out the goals and beliefs of the mysterious children of rot, that worship the empyrean demi god malenia and how they manipulate milicent into followiing in her mothers footsteps
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@TheBenignSeraphim2 жыл бұрын
You sound like a guy sitting at a bar explaining something as convoluted as Soulborne lore to someone who showed the slightest interest. Perfect.
@TheHonoredMadman2 жыл бұрын
thanks man haha i like to think vaati was his way of explaining lore and i have mine
@StopItGarrison2 жыл бұрын
This completely changed this video for me midway through, lol.
@Jason-mg2vj2 жыл бұрын
@@TheHonoredMadman Vaati isn’t exactly perfect. I find his voice overly performative. It’s like listening to lore from someone behind a cash register. I like your more laidback style, but I think you could get a lot more pull if you perked up just a tiny bit. I loved the video, but in some sections it does sound like you’re falling asleep xD Overall, great content dude :)
@ckotherletters2 жыл бұрын
This is how I explain Dragon Age lore to my 70 year old coworker who told me he liked Lord of the Rings once.
@bings28672 жыл бұрын
I like it too but damn he makes me tired
@naota9092 жыл бұрын
"they're just him and a bunch of goddam centipede dudes w/ spears - not exactly a great crowd" this man keeps it 100
@Rare_D2 жыл бұрын
This line made me laugh- "man has a giant t-rex looking ass dog out front, so you can trust him or you cant trust him. Your call."
@geordiejones56182 жыл бұрын
It almost feels like half the species we encounter are really just aliens who've found an ecological niche during these ages of intense war and regime change.
@ajackass59502 жыл бұрын
There is one of those scarlet aeonia blooms just to the left of Melanias boss room. Which means the third bloom happens during our fight with her and her second stage is a true goddess of rot.
@TheHonoredMadman2 жыл бұрын
yeah that would explain the lake of rot at the bottom of the haligtree as well, i almost want to make an amended version because someone else said that as well
@billfox8472 жыл бұрын
@Jacob M the remembrance doesn't say that, the scarlet bloom incantation does, which could still be proof that she's only bloomed twice by the time you got the incantation, but it could also just be flavor text written to sound like text that was written long ago. After all, her remembrance is literally called "Remembrance of the Goddess of Rot" so I think there is definitely proof to the contrary. I actually think the scarlet bloom next to malenia's boss room was her first bloom, and the fight with radahn was after Miquella made the haligtree. but that's just m
@coldbacon48692 жыл бұрын
@@billfox847 I’m pretty sure the remembrance is called rot goddess because that’s what she is known as by her followers and she’s been called that since she first bloomed fighting with radahn righ?
@kekstee12 жыл бұрын
@@TheHonoredMadman Could be related to the abduction of Miquella
@launchbase49442 жыл бұрын
that one is not from her, as you pick up clothes from a "traveler" from that bloom. gowry mentions that Millicent and those of her kind can also bloom, and Millicent herself blooms if you choose to invade her, that one outside of Melania's boss room is completely unrelated to her
@tylerhassett91202 жыл бұрын
Her first bloom is probably early on when she contracted the rot, the second one is the nuking of Caelid, and her third is when you fight her this "Goddess of Rot".
@TheHonoredMadman2 жыл бұрын
ive definitely considered it due to the title goddess of rot but i just couldnt find anything about it happening prior to radahn but ive only been looking thru in game descriptions and my resources are rather limited
@ajackass59502 жыл бұрын
@@TheHonoredMadman the first bloom is located next to her boss room, in a hallway to the left of the grace just before the fight, the second was against Radahn, the third was against us.
@MidnightatMidian2 жыл бұрын
@@ajackass5950 exactly
@neurosis512 жыл бұрын
Yeah it only makes sense that the third bloom is when you fight her considering there is another Scarlet bloom in the room before her boss fight, and the second being Caelid. As a matter of fact, depending on your fight she becomes a triple goddess if she keeps spamming that scarlet aeonia attack.
@SouthernEngineering242 жыл бұрын
Her first bloom is when she nuked Caelid, the second is in the bedroom area next door to where you go down to the roots of the haligtree (you can see the Aeona Bloom in there with Aeonian Butterflies all around not sure what caused the second one probably just time or could be noticing miquella was taken) the third time is when you kill her and she blooms the final time into the goddess of rot with wings and etc.
@xavier846232 жыл бұрын
melenia is totally unwilling too. she is constantly seeking a cure to her rot, and also she is hold it back, only allowing it to bloom as a last resort
@TheHonoredMadman2 жыл бұрын
yeah and in our fight she only uses it only after shes basically dead
@Dustaroo2 жыл бұрын
He is a pest. So that leads me to believe their whole goal is to basically replace Malenia as she has abandoned them or just add another rot Valkyrie to progress the rot quicker. Also shows that's pests are likely as intelligent as humans but can't shake their origins as insects.
@TheHonoredMadman2 жыл бұрын
yeah i believe that he resents malenia and how complacent the other pests have become as they just await her return and he accurately assumes shes never coming back and is actively working to bring them a new god
@muninrob2 жыл бұрын
He's something that can posses pests and use them as temporary bodies - make a new character and go kill him a few times, listen to what he says.
@SouthernEngineering242 жыл бұрын
Yeah i believe hes some sort of sage of rot that can take form in the pests. If you kill him he dematerializes into a dead pest... but then will be right back at the abandoned shack the next day after waiting and tell you just to forget about the whole incident. Gowry and the rot cult is very mysterious.
@petercottantail78502 жыл бұрын
Him unphased at dying because he can choose from others feels very similar to shibiri if you kill him. He says "shibriri is chaos incarnate, i cannot die" taking in this person. Perhaps each outter god has a essence that lives on. And maybe there are more for other outter gods. Something another video brought out was that you can read map discriptions and the rot lake underground, "It is said that the divine essence of an outer god is sealed away in this land." Only counterargument is that the difference between this and frenzy flame is the fingerprint shield says it's from a tomb of an ancient god. Not sealed just a dead god.
@gajspalt2 жыл бұрын
@@muninrob His something similar to shabribri I believe, an entity or force that uses a host to further their own plans or that of their respective God.
@aranthur2 жыл бұрын
My first thought when you mentioned the body parts of Malenia being grown into Millicent and her sisters was... Well, it's Elden Ring and there are 5 of them. What if they were the fingers from her missing arm?
@brreakfastYT2 жыл бұрын
Or, since miyazaki is behind it, her toes~ uwu
@Swagswag8372 жыл бұрын
Bruh I didn't really think it through but that makes total sense, and since I'm guessing millicent was based off of malenias arm where her prosthetic currently is, I'm guessing the body part of origination degrades the fastest
@Anenome52 жыл бұрын
Problem is there's lots of two fingers, dead on every tower.
@saveachip26202 жыл бұрын
This is exactly what i was thinking, and just like cutting buds off a plant, cutting part of it off and planting it elsewhere to grow a new plant
@loch16942 жыл бұрын
@@Anenome5 What? he's talking about Millicent and her sisters. You even read the comment?
@2chrono22 жыл бұрын
I think the pests don't worship Malenia, but rather the great old one that cursed her with rot in the first place. The cloister we see them worshipping in was probably built to honour it. Their worship might be what allowed it to place the curse of rot upon Malenia in the first place. I really hope we get to interact with the great old ones on a Bloodborne-esque level in the DLCs, but that's some wishful thinking lol
@TheHonoredMadman2 жыл бұрын
yeah when i made this i didnt have as complete of an understanding of the pests as i thought i did, but ive covered some theories on the rot outer god on my blind swordsman video
@Mephil2 жыл бұрын
The first time she bloomed was probably not in her fight with Radahn, because she was already called the blade of miquella at that point. Miquella had already grown the haligtree in order to try to cure her of the rot, and she was already missing an arm, her eyes and legs to the rot by that point. Also a fun fact, that if you kill Gowry, he turns into a pest and says that "We shall meet again you and I, there are countless pests to choose from" indicating that he is likely the god of rot trying to influence the blooming to spread the rot throughout the world. The pests are not worshipping Malenia, but they are probably worshipping "gowry". There are multiple lore bits from items referring to an outer god of rot which was sealed away by a blind swordsman. They are probably trying to free it.
@TheHonoredMadman2 жыл бұрын
this is why i love the lore i always learn something i didnt know by making these.i didnt even know abot the blind swordsman. but i dont think jus because her title is blade of miquella means that she bloomed prior to it, miquella grew the haligtree before the shattering though didnt he? and Malenia was Born with the rot already affecting her and he was kidnapped during the shattering and after malenia bloomed she was carried back to the haligtree where miquella was already gone. its funny tho i had never tried to kill gowry before but holy shit it reminds me of the collectors from mass effect "assuming direct control" id say yeah its highly likely that they worship a outer god of rot that will sometimes take over the bodies of its followers to get shit done and that possibly means gowry wants milicent to be the vassal for the rot god since malenia fucked off and refused to bloom a third time til her fight. i admittedly missed every single bit of lore about the blind swordsman
@TheHonoredMadman2 жыл бұрын
but yo comments like this are why i started posing videos
@ivorymantis10262 жыл бұрын
I think Gowry is more like Shabriri. Shabriri has somehow separated his spirit or soul or consciousness and can manage to even possess the bodies of the dead. Gowry is obviously doing the same with the Pests. I am curious if it will ever be explained why, as Hyetta also appears to be one of these individuals with Irina.
@magimon918342 жыл бұрын
I think malenia serves more as a manifestation of the rot God, so the pests still worship her. Like how the normal society worships the greater will and it's manifestation in Marika. Of course Marika played ball with the outer god a lot more than malenia is
@AlexHyena12 жыл бұрын
I think the abandonment mentioned in the Pest Threads is talking about how Malenia rejected her rot in favour of the sword and her brother, as mentioned through dialogue
@TheHonoredMadman2 жыл бұрын
well i agree to an extent. he mentions that he dedicated himself to malenia after she bloomed in the swamp
@VenomousTeddy2 жыл бұрын
I really like how you're not doing a tryhard intellectual voice like the majority of people that make videos discussing fomsoft lore.
@TheHonoredMadman2 жыл бұрын
thanks i appreciate it, and yeah i lack the fancy accent and i get kinda stoned before recording audio
@loch16942 жыл бұрын
@@TheHonoredMadman lmao I can’t unhear it now, especially cause I’m high too
@Doomseer2 жыл бұрын
@@TheHonoredMadman Haha I'm subscribing 😂
@theketaminekid12412 жыл бұрын
@@TheHonoredMadman Ha based
@kazukixivv92522 жыл бұрын
@@TheHonoredMadman just for this comment im subscribing lol
@Khornecussion2 жыл бұрын
Minor note: When you find her, her arm is already severed. She lopped it off in a vain effort to stave off the rot and it had spread to her torso. That's why she requires the prosthesis later.
@TheHonoredMadman2 жыл бұрын
yeah i noticed that after, i figured she either cut it or it legit rotted off but either way, great catch
@TheCnicus2 жыл бұрын
Melania has only bloomed twice the Aeonia flower in the room is from her fight vs Radahn (Finlay carried her home in it since she was in a coma) and the Aeonia flower in the arena is from her fight vs the player ofc. People say her fight vs the player is her 3rd boom hence the sprouting of wings in 2nd phase. However, the ghost in the swamp recalls seeing Melania sprout wings several times before even in her fight vs Radahn, this means that her 2nd phase wasn't the "TRUE GODDESS" form many people think it was. Lore states that her 3rd bloom will be a true goddess. Players think that wings = 3rd bloom, yet NPC states that she has been seen sprouting wings before. Therefore wings =/= 3rd bloom. Name =/= 3rd bloom either since she is referred to as the goddess of rot long before her 2nd phase vs the player. There's no proof that she has bloomed 3 times and the only counter argument is a 15sec clip in the promo trailer which i wouldn't base my argument on instead of an actual npc in game who gives you lore about her
@TheHonoredMadman2 жыл бұрын
im not entirely sold on either side of it being her third or second bloom, i figured she bloomed on the battlefield cuz of that promo clip but i think the scarlett aeonia implies she still hasnt bloomed a third time so i honestly think it could go either way, and the thoery that it wasnt her third bloom in our fight could seemingly be verified by the fact that milicent doesnt reborn as a scarlet valkyrie like shes supposed to if we help her sisters and then kill malenia, which could possibly indicate that she hadnt bloomed a third time yet. that mystery bloom in the room could also be a previous attempt of gowrys to replace her but theres not much to back that other than the armor set found at it
@piedpiper11722 жыл бұрын
She blooms in the fight versus the General in the opening, in game cutscene. So I’d say that counts. Also, all prior Formsoft games the CS’s were canonical lore. No reason to discredit it.
@deadmemes18242 жыл бұрын
"Chernobyl via scarlet rot" God I love these games
@dimdorman33002 жыл бұрын
I want to say, this casual, 'I'm not quite sure,' presentation; I love it. No ambiquity, no communal, 'we're still speculating'. This is how a person registers the lore as they play. You got a sub, keep up the work!
@fumomofumosarum58932 жыл бұрын
no sensationalising clickbait like " I have the correct answers to everything, i have it ALL figured out!!!1 "
@njreiswig2 жыл бұрын
The Pests design seem to be really inspired by silverfish along with centipedes.
@GREATGAIWAIN2 жыл бұрын
In the room beside her boss chamber is a second scarlet bloom. So the first one is in the fight with Radahn, second is beside her boss room and third is when you fight her.
@launchbase49442 жыл бұрын
that bloom isn't from Melania, gowry mentions that Millicent and others of her kind bloom, and Millicent herself blooms if you invade her. knowing that, and seeing as you pick up a dead travelers clothes off of that bloom, we can come to the conclusion that this is another sister of Millicent
@lemon932 жыл бұрын
It's one of millicent sisters you get the same clothes millicent wears
@TheCnicus2 жыл бұрын
Astel was summoned by the greater will in the form of a falling star to destroy Nokstella, on his way down he also obliterated Faram Azula. As to why he's still down there my guess is that Ranni intervened at some point to use him as a gatekeeper for Moonlight alter. And tbf he does make a good guard dog for anyone who isn't a mage and thematically works great as a filter to Ranni's quest.
@TheHonoredMadman2 жыл бұрын
this is very insightful, i didnt know he took out farum azula on his way down
@michaelwerkov34382 жыл бұрын
isnt he hemmed in by the lake of rot? somehow thats got to play in to it
@JeancarlosRPerez2 жыл бұрын
This whole thing in Caelid feels like a 40k Nurgle playground xD And the Pests really feel like daemons or ascended cultists. Gj on the video man 👍
@billfox8472 жыл бұрын
game theory the outer Gods are actually the chaos gods and eden ring takes place in the warhammer 40k universe
@noahfranke4672 жыл бұрын
@@billfox847 warhammer Fantasy more probable
@jeambeam31732 жыл бұрын
@@noahfranke467 how would that work? They don't fit on the Warhammer fantasy map which is one planet vs being a planet that exists in 40k as there are many planets with medieval or less advanced level of society
@noahfranke4672 жыл бұрын
@@jeambeam3173 warhammer Fantasy has magic, gods and aliens. No guns or tech tho, just like Elden ring
@jeambeam31732 жыл бұрын
@@noahfranke467 you didn't even listen to what I just said. With that logic it make just as much sense that Elden Ring exists in the Lord of the rings universe. I will reiterate since your brain dead it makes more sense that Elden Ring is a Planet in 40k with a medieval tech level society which does exist in 40k and can exist without any tech influence from the wider galaxy which makes way more sense then Elden Ring being a continent that some how no one in the Warhammer fantasy world knows aboutb
@TheHonoredMadman2 жыл бұрын
So another thing i missed is that the pests in the grand cloister are worshipping what appears to be the remains of their sealed away outer God of rot in the form of the scorpions stinger which is said to made from a relic of a sealed away outer God. This outer God is likely using malenia as a vessel but she appears unwilling or just absent which is why they feel abandoned and gowry is trying to replace her with milicent via his very specific ritual. Atleast that's my working theory now
@willardtk29792 жыл бұрын
"hidden away for...whoever the fuck knows how long" lmao love it
@TheaussieNoonga2 жыл бұрын
this guys videos are like when you're out the back of a friends place slowly sobering up at 4an and he's explaining the lore of a game
@ir31882 жыл бұрын
I'd call myself a casual player of this game that is very interested in the lore, which is a difficult position to be in. As there isn't a single "side quest" it seems that doesn't play majorly into the story and end up cascading into you being the arbiter of some miserable being's fate. Very hard to wrap my head around all the interweaving quests and characters. Great video
@TheHonoredMadman2 жыл бұрын
As one extremely helpful commenter pointed out I missed the whole concept of the blind swordsman that sealed away the rot. And since learning that and reading the item descriptions I definitely will make a follow up with some new theories surrounding the lore behind the mysterious blind swordsman and the rot god
@ghosthippie84652 жыл бұрын
I feel like she hasn't actually reached her full God form... Like... She wasn't completely lost to the rot, she was dedicated to Miquella even in her Goddess of Rot form, I have a theory that she's only blossomed twice, the first time was in caelid, and Finlay most likely carried her blossom back to the halligtree after her draw with radahn, then she blossoms again, after our fight, but she never blossomed mid fight only after we full on defeat her does her body turn into one of those Rot lotuses, so I feel like we're going to be seeing again eventually, but in her True Goddess of Rot form.
@weeabrolyfe43132 жыл бұрын
what's cool is if you kill him a dead prawn is left behind in the shack
@orochirel2 жыл бұрын
The T-Rex Dog outside the sage’s cabin has a collar, or several ones… like he is a pet.
@0Vladislav02 жыл бұрын
Man, thanks for the vid. Hate other channels that started mimicing VaatiVidya. I appreciate your casual style, you are different.
@zacharyhawley16932 жыл бұрын
I wonder if we'll be given the chance to cure Malenia for some crazy ending. By either killing the avatar of the rot god sealed away or using a perfected needle that ends the fight early.
@ootey63732 жыл бұрын
I'm with you on that, especially Millecent stating she has something to return to Malenia during her questline. Wishful thinking. I'm hoping the dlc is related to Miquella in some form and would lead to an alternatative to killing Malenia.
@Krendoss2 жыл бұрын
I think shes only bloomed twice. That flower before her boss fight is probably one of her "daughters" since u find the traveller set right in front of it which is what millicent and her sisters wear if im not mistaken but idk
@TheHonoredMadman2 жыл бұрын
i have such a scatterbrained memory sometimes i knew there was some reason that i thought that wasnt her bloom but thank you for reminding me you find the traveler set there and it could have easily been a previous attempt of gowrys I.E possibly from a previous iteration of "adopted" sisters by gowry
@MidnightatMidian2 жыл бұрын
Actually no. The rotten wing insignia specially mention that the other sisters can't bloom. ''The Four sister were born in the swamp of Aeonia, and came to the Haligtree under the aegis of Gowry. And yet, those buds were doomed to never blossom. ''
@TheHonoredMadman2 жыл бұрын
Yeah the daughters of aeonia they were bred expressly for the purpose of one of them ascendeding. That one being milicent the others needing to be the ones to hunt her down seems to be apart of the ritual, sort of like a sacrifice so that milicent can ascend when the person who she trusts most betrays her which also seems to be part of the ritual, judging by what gowry says.
@TheCnicus2 жыл бұрын
@@MidnightatMidian If the other sisters can't bloom then why does Millicent leave behind a flower when you kill her? clearly the other sisters can bloom as she does so at the end of her quest upon betraying her. In fact the lore even states that in order to bloom they need to be betrayed or fucked over somehow, basically they can't bloom until they give up all hope and give in to the power of rot.
@TheCnicus2 жыл бұрын
@@MidnightatMidian Millicent literally blooms into a scarlet aeonia flower if you team up with the sisters to betray and kill her at the end of the quest. Clearly the description of that item was mistranslated or misunderstood. I also recall reading a descrip that mentioned how they can only bloom once giving up all hope or being betrayed.
@TheAzureEnd2 жыл бұрын
This questline is also a reference to Drakengard 3. Malenia has five other "sisters" who were created through mysterious means. Millicent has to kill her other sisters. And sacrifices herself for our sake. Malenia is a mysterious swordsman with a metal prothesthetic arm. And is cursed by an evil god seeking to rebirth the world through its twisted means. Not to mention Malenia, and Millicent turn into flowers that rebirth them into goddesses. It's one to one to Drakengard 3's Zero, and her Intoner sisters.
@TheHonoredMadman2 жыл бұрын
damn thats a deep cut reference, ive only played nier but drakengard is the same series right?
@MCdeltaT-2 жыл бұрын
3:21 in the room on the left before her bossfight there's a scarlet aeonia, that might imply that it bloomed again and when you kill her in the bossfight that's the third bloom, hence why she's called "the rot goddess," implying she's now a true god.
@TheHonoredMadman2 жыл бұрын
i was super curious about that flower too i couldnt find any explanation for it but that sounds like a possibility
@TheHonoredMadman2 жыл бұрын
Very likely
@SynKyller2 жыл бұрын
If you go to the area in Calid where the meteoric ore blade, there is a tomb with baby rots jumping out the coffins trying to kill you and theres a guy there shooting poison at you. I thought he was a necromancer and he was turning the dead bodies into new servents of rot.
@TheHonoredMadman2 жыл бұрын
i know exactly where youre talking about i totally forgot about that. that definitely seems likely, could explain the mushroom hollows too
@petercottantail78502 жыл бұрын
If you get their hat (the mushroom people in that tomb sitting poison at you) it says they were "great lords" who served the scarlet rot. You can find the mushroom crown(there are two versions incase you look up the wrong one) in the underground lake of rot hanging off some ruins above death frogs. Mushroom lords must not all have died when the blind swordsman "sealed away the rot god" (odd enough an outer god is sealed 'somewhere' in the underground rot lake, my guess where the bugs are worshipping) since we see them around poison and those tombs you mentioned. Maybe trying to rebuild what they lost. Very convenient for them the queen of the golden order has a child who was cursed with rot and could just randomly nuke an area with rot just like that 🧐🧐🧐
@whichphilosipher90232 жыл бұрын
If you kill gowery you find out he's a shrimp thing too
@piedpiper11722 жыл бұрын
Do you? I killed him for the talisman and didn’t learn this. I did one shot him… does he like, transform or something?
@whichphilosipher90232 жыл бұрын
@@piedpiper1172 yes after you kill him he turns into one and says there are many vessels to choose from
@TheHonoredMadman2 жыл бұрын
if you kill him after the quest he just dies regular and drops the talisman
@badguyd65232 жыл бұрын
Me an my buddy simply call them nutters
@francisdillinger50512 ай бұрын
Looking back at all your Elden Ring videos before I play the DLC. Really glad you made so many of these.
@SeIfmadeEndboss2 жыл бұрын
Good stuff my man! Keep going, love this shit!!!
@ivorymantis10262 жыл бұрын
I really like how the KoREx talisman looks like half of the Cursemark of Death.
@robertcajucom32032 жыл бұрын
I think Malenia’s second bloom was at the Haligtree, which brought forth the rot there. Miquella created the Haligtree to become something like the Erdtree, but due to Mohg’s intervention was not able to do so. I also thjnk it would be cool if in like dlc we could pull a cleanrot knight Finlay and get some way to transport Miquella from the Mohgwyn Palace to the Haligtree
@TheHonoredMadman2 жыл бұрын
yeah her blooming there would both explain the massive waterfall of rot down there at the base of the tree near the area wheres shes resting. because we know her bloom is akin to a nuke going off in that in literally changes the region it happens off and leaves seemingly permanent lingering rot.
@skinward57072 жыл бұрын
Astel sits in the crater he made when he landed on the land between
@Datcoopguy2 жыл бұрын
Low key love the just chill telling how it is vibes of this video.
@DavidHill-im2zg2 жыл бұрын
When I first saw the centipede dudes I wondered how they came to be. They aren't very humanoid at all, although they do have some features similar. The closer I get to Astel though, I notice these huge centipede-like aliens with gravity magic and it seems to be coming together in my head. The gravity magic and the rot have something to do with each other as they're both common in Caelid and in the cave ruins with Astel. The huge centipedes are obviously alien, likely vassals to the outer god of rot in the same sense that the elden beast and two fingers serve the greater will. The little centipedes I believe to be either the byproduct of interspecies breeding or of a blessing from the rot vassals like Astel upon the human servants like Gowry.
@semi-useful51782 жыл бұрын
I think it's more that Caelid was where the seat of Gravity magic is and the Scarlet Rot moved in after Malenia fucked everything up.
@TheCnicus2 жыл бұрын
The Alabasters look nothing like centipedes but they are the ones Radahn learned gravity magic from, in turn Radahn summoned Astel in the form of a falling star to take out Nokstella for the greater will, and as a result (whether intentional or not) Astel collided with Farum Azula on the way down smashing it to pieces and preventing further communion with the dragon lord. The Godess of rot was sealed away prior to this, and it wasn't until then that Malenia was chosen as the next vessel. Rot is a natural part of the world, nothing would have happened if the greater will hadn't sealed it away in attempt to remove it from the world completely, upsetting the natural balance of life/death/decomposition/rebirth
@puppetarmygaming37562 жыл бұрын
@@TheCnicus Radahn learned magic at Sellia when he was younger.. and had nothing to do with astel crashing through faurum.
@jackstyles72742 жыл бұрын
Go zoom in at the statue inside the cloisture.
@TheHonoredMadman2 жыл бұрын
Looks like that rot outer God we hear about occasionally, likely the one sealed in malenia that will come out after the flower blooms 3 times. I'm kicking myself in the head for not mentioning
@PersianGhost2 жыл бұрын
It is a scorpion snake something something. I believe the god of rot is insect related, probably a scorpion
@stevenyanis90512 жыл бұрын
Is that Marika?
@stevenyanis90512 жыл бұрын
It has a beard 🧔♀️?
@kalzero33192 жыл бұрын
That statue is actually kind of disappointing. It's of a man holding what appear to be tablets or maybe books. He looks like he has a beard but because the statue is covered in rot fungus it's hard to make out. The good news is this same statue is right in front of Mohg's boss room and is all over the the blood cocoon room too. The one where the blood noble and albinaurics are standing in front. We can see that the beard is not actually a beard but appears to be tentacles that run down through the robes and down by the legs. The disappointing part is that for the life of me I can't seem to figure out why these two locations would have the same statue. Do the Blood cult peeps worship the same outer god as the scarlet rot bugs? I'm pretty sure they don't so it looks like they just reused the asset.
@Fundywhatshappening2 жыл бұрын
Could have been cool if you attacked Gowry at the end so we could see him as a pest
@Viper-py4pg Жыл бұрын
bahaha I love your sense of humor and I'm binging your channel for bedtime sleepies~ you're a gentleman and a scholar
@EmmaEquinox2 жыл бұрын
"some old sketchy guy living in the middle of Chernobyl" Lmao
@Mediocre_warlock902 жыл бұрын
Glad I found the channel hopefully you explore some other deeper meanings and explanations on inner religions or stuff like that in the game. New sub thanks for making this, I enjoyed!
@Lord_Akkon2 жыл бұрын
outside Malenia's boss room is the third bloom, in a room around the corner. she has her third bloom during the fight, thus goddess of rot
@h20Forward2 жыл бұрын
You get Millicent's Armor from it, I reckon it was one of Millicent's sisters who bloomed like Gowry wanted for Millicent.
@TheHonoredMadman2 жыл бұрын
could definitely be a previous attempt of gowrys
@pbrown75012 жыл бұрын
Not even gonna watch the video, just here to say how much I hate these dudes. The design inspires gut-churning revulsion. So, well done.
@TheHonoredMadman2 жыл бұрын
i can respect that
@morsorcus81522 жыл бұрын
Theres another bloom outside of the room where you foght Malenia. So whem she fought us that may have been her third bloom which is why she is then called the rot goddess. I dont think anything confirms that the bloom I'm talking about was hers though so who knows lol
@TheHonoredMadman2 жыл бұрын
thats how im looking at it too, it could be hers but im pretty sure when she leaves a flower like that shes inside it so when she comes out of it the flower like retracts kinda. i think its a previous version of millicent or something
@GINNERMAN2 жыл бұрын
Nice video, well done mate :)
@golagiswatchingyou29662 жыл бұрын
0:42 this made me laugh, thx.
@trnrred4892 жыл бұрын
4:00 they’re worshipping astel… not just the rot. The twin underground cities got attacked by outer gods presumably. At 1 location obviously the rot and astel. Astel is a giant bug, the locust things are bugs. Mini astels and astel big are the things in the temples next to the prawn things. Before that you have the giant ants. They have connections to the rot as some of their weapons like the antspur rapier inflicts rot damage. Some of the ants also have what looks like fungus growing out of their backs. This is normal in nature as zombie fungus take control of ants to spread their spores, and the swamp in caelid has tons of alien looking fungus that is not seen elsewhere in the game. Something big happened in the twin cities regarding god killing weapons and turning against the golden order. Hence outer gods influences got through, and they started amassing in power.
@TheHonoredMadman2 жыл бұрын
i figured they were worshipping whatever the stinger dagger used to be apart of
@SevenPr1me2 жыл бұрын
They'd be facing towards astels direction if they were worshipping astel, so no.
@trnrred4892 жыл бұрын
@@SevenPr1me that’s not a debunk. He’s the boss of the area. He’s an insect from space, just like they’re insects worshiping an outer god in space. There are other mini Astels underground that shoot rocks at you, with more of the locusts near by. They’ve invaded this architecture spaces following the astels that invaded the same areas to destroy the ancient city. The antspur items like the rapier buildup rot, showing the ants that lead to nokstella are also connected to the rot. There is undoubtably a connection between all the insect fauna, and the Rot outer god from space. The locusts pillgramiged all the way to the haligtree just to follow Malenia because she’s becoming a vessel for the Rot outer god. If no one has noticed the Rot is terra morphing the environment to be more suitable for insects and creatures of the Rot. The influence of the rot outer god is terranorphing the environment. The same way the erdtree crashed down in The royal capital and started terramorphing the area around the royal capital to make it yellow, as you see seams of yellow all through the ground near the tree. It terramorphijg too make an environment that’s suitable for the elden beast and greater will, the same way the scarlet rot is terramorphing to make an area more suitable for the outer god of scarlet rot.
@SevenPr1me2 жыл бұрын
@@trnrred489 I disagree
@trnrred4892 жыл бұрын
@@SevenPr1meyou’re more than welcome to. It is baseless because there’s no reason, but you’re allowed to your opinion :)
@nodude48632 жыл бұрын
Milicents quest line is my favorite of all fromsoft games such a great character
@chelseaisking2 жыл бұрын
500 different Gods is very George RR Martin esque
@josef20122 жыл бұрын
Great job,Mr.Plinkett!
@ebayaccount6752 жыл бұрын
Milicents sister can be summoned to help you get the needle from the veteran commander
@puglord87lol552 жыл бұрын
The second bloom can be seen as there is a bloomed aonia or however you spell it on your way through the base of the haligtree
@jackreacher74952 жыл бұрын
I think the third bloom of Malenia is the flower in her boss room after.
@NAWWMANNN2 жыл бұрын
It's been pointed out by other comments, but Melania's scarlet rot bloom in our fight with her is likely her third bloom, as her name changes to Goddess of Rot. It looks like her second bloom may have been in the one room right by her boss arena. One thing I don't understand is why would she have to resort to allowing herself to bloom in some random room next to her arena? I was under the impression that Melania only blooms like she did in our fight with her when she's at a point of desperation and cannot overcome an enemy. So it does seem pretty weird that she would choose to go nuclear in some random room in the fortress of her own brother.
@TheHonoredMadman2 жыл бұрын
idk the fact that the bloom is smaller and has millicents fit seems like its implying a swamp sister bloomed in that room, i made a fun video on how it couldve been malenia though, and i think scarlet aeonia, which you only get from defeating malenia implies she has yet bloom a third time, we know shes sprouted wings before as well
@thebingthing84212 жыл бұрын
You’re really good at articulating and theorizing 👏 👏 awesome vid man I’ll sub for sure
@JohnRivers82 жыл бұрын
I love the passion in your voice, man
@TheHonoredMadman2 жыл бұрын
best comment
@LosFM2 жыл бұрын
like the breakdown bro 👍🏽
@cloudwhitehart2 жыл бұрын
This is the most down to Earth lore video Ive ever watched 🤣
@prestonvandenbulcke49922 жыл бұрын
They used Millicent to become their new Malenia.
@hombreg12 жыл бұрын
Really likes the video dude. I'll be subscribing
@fierygamingzilla692 жыл бұрын
Melenia actually has bloomed two times already before we fight here for the third bloom, the first being in the room next to the grace before her fight, the second being the fight with raddan and third is our fight
@TheHonoredMadman2 жыл бұрын
its possible. my personal favorite theory is that the first was with radahn and then after finlay took her to the haligtree, her old mentor the blind swordsman caught wind of what she did in caelid (red chernobyl), and promptly decided to try and hunt her down but when they fought its said he gained wings, we know from her fight that she gets wings when she blooms, so its possible the second bloom is from a fight with her mentor, it could also be reversed and be her first bloom if you want to go with the theory that she killed her mentor before she fought radahn, which is just as likely, and its also likely that since she gains wings every time she blooms and our fight could indeed just be the second bloom as the one in the room next to her has millicents set and could just as easily have been a previous attempt of gowrys to replace malenia. none are confirmed and theres a case to be made for all of the possibilities
@fierygamingzilla692 жыл бұрын
@@TheHonoredMadman that definitely probably true never know with fromsoft games for 100% but I'd agree. I just had to mention that she in fact did already bloom twice before the players fight with her. I love that mentor theroy
@maxwellvindman72122 жыл бұрын
If you eat them you get a defense buff
@AaronJuddMusic2 жыл бұрын
Did you enjoy making this? It's impossible to tell...
@TheHonoredMadman2 жыл бұрын
lol
@TheRavenParty2 жыл бұрын
You can see her first bloom in the fight with Radahn her second is in a room not far from her arena and her be third is in the fight with you. She became the goddess of rot out of her will to stay undefeated. At least that is how I understood what happeneds.
@HexagonThatReallyLikesVinegar2 жыл бұрын
I think the 3rd bloom was during our battle with her, and she is also called a "goddess" of rot in her second phase, she probably bloomed once before the fight with Radahn.
@evelyntelevision2 жыл бұрын
Well done, as always!
@ty-xq7bl Жыл бұрын
do you think there is any relation between the nox and kindred of rot? Their coneheads are similar to swordstress helmet and the lake of rot is near noxtella.
@Leftismforever692 жыл бұрын
I heard somewhere that she bloomed before fighting radahn, I think something to do with miquella. Making our fight with her the final time, gotta complete that rule of threes by the end of the game and all
@AsianVideoGamer2 жыл бұрын
Malenia probably tried to fight Ranni and Astel was there as a protector
@stripesisdead2 жыл бұрын
Malenia’s second bloom is found before her boss room. To the right of nearest sight of grace by her room you’ll see another bloomed scarlet rot flower. Her third is in the boss fight hence why she is now known as “goddess of rot”
@xanderbrindle Жыл бұрын
Do you think it's possible they're centipede-like, because they used to be servants of destined death before it was sealed away? Perhaps they are drawn to the God of rot due to the fact that this God is also associated with death/ decay. The centipede motif seems important, given the fact it's the mark of death, and talked about ingame.
@davidgomez30442 жыл бұрын
When she blooms during our fight, it is the third time. We fight and beat her at goddess strength. I believe the other time she bloomed besides when fighting Radhan is in creating the Haligtree. I believe the entire tree itself is a product of rot.
@TheHonoredMadman2 жыл бұрын
miquella grew the haligtree but was kidnapped before it finished and malenia was brought to the haligtree after the radahn fight, and rested "until her brothers return" which would never happen because we kill her. i cant find anything that suggests she bloomed after radahn besides in our fight
@thedeathofreason2 жыл бұрын
@@TheHonoredMadman her scarlet aeonia spell says it's already bloomed twice and it's said if it blooms a third time she'll become a goddess, then in our fight it blooms and her title changes to "goddess of rot" this implies that was the third blooming. The fight with radahn would have been the second blooming since she slept until we meet her. So there would have been one other time before that.
@Dom4z2 жыл бұрын
@@thedeathofreason well yes she does become the goddess in P2, but gets slaughtered by tarnished hero = player character "you". So essentially, we never let her recover full strength and at same time allow her to become goddess of presumably scarlet rot (similar to Marika goddess of greater will), in essence we also probably fight the strongest version of her in comparison to Radahn battle with her. Tl;dr we stop her before she becomes envoy of whatever outer god is trapped in lake of rot, for good.
@kalzero33192 жыл бұрын
If you look at that flower outside her room there's an item right next to it that is the traveler's garb armor set. This is the set that Millicent and her sisters wear. Item placement is very important in Soulsborne games so it's likely just a bloom from one of the daughter clones of Malenia that have made the journey to the Haligtree to see their mother. Scarlet rot seems to be kind of fungus related. So the "daughters" and Millicent might be spores that Malenia spread around in Caelid when she nuked it.
@Coal29562 жыл бұрын
@@thedeathofreason maybe the first blooming was during her birth? Could be why she's so fucked up and decripid
@tizben2 жыл бұрын
Your voice sounds exactly like the channel weapon snatcher
@kwowgaming23345 ай бұрын
there is a bloom near the grace by melanias boss room which could be the second
@Ira_Rosenberg2 жыл бұрын
I just figured out who you remind me of! Dale Denton from Pineapple Express. Same hilarious deadpan fast speech. Ever make a birthday cake for your dead cat?
@TheHonoredMadman2 жыл бұрын
that movies such a classic, i actually saw it in theaters fucking forever ago
@nobilisvaga52672 жыл бұрын
Any one else notice that the talisman make a mirrored death seal?
@TheHonoredMadman2 жыл бұрын
you're right it looks exactly like the cursemark but inverted, i wonder if theres any significance to that
@TheProphet492 жыл бұрын
Malenia has already bloomed twice when we meet her. The first bloom is sitting right outside of her boss room and you can stab the unalloyed needle into it to get a new needle back. Her second bloom is against Radahn and third is during the fight with us which is how she comes back as a 'god'
@TheHonoredMadman2 жыл бұрын
ive revised this in another video
@fivehandsmash7802 жыл бұрын
I like how you tell the lord in a I dont give a f*** tone
@fivehandsmash7802 жыл бұрын
And now I notice the typo
@jatwood96482 жыл бұрын
Melania did bloom 3 times. The 3rd being in your fight. Before her boss room, there is a small bloom in a side corridor.
@TheHonoredMadman2 жыл бұрын
got a video im going to finish today that addresses this and the blind swordman and other stuff i missed in the rot vid
@TheCnicus2 жыл бұрын
Not true. There's no proof of a 3rd bloom in game. We have 2 flowers and the lore states that she has only bloomed twice so far. No idea where people are getting the idea that her fight with the player is her true form when everything related to her in the game infers otherwise. The flower you are referring to is from her fight vs Radahn she was carried back to the tree in it by Finlay since it put her into a coma. The 2nd flower is in the arena after defeating her. Where's the proof or argument that she has bloomed 3 times?
@jatwood96482 жыл бұрын
@@TheCnicus One bloom vs Radahn. One bloom in side corridor near her boss fight. One during boss fight. 1+1+1 = 3. Pretty simple math. The only issue is if the bloom in the side corridor isn't her's. Which is possible if it's Millicent's somehow. Also, perhaps the lore is 2 blooms before you fight her. Her name changes to "goddess" after all.
@masonscruggs12092 жыл бұрын
Great video!!!
@johngillette37522 жыл бұрын
New subscribe love the info!!!
@frogonawall49312 жыл бұрын
Nick Mullen makes elden ring lore videos
@Ezmoney_6622 жыл бұрын
Poor malnourished horse 🤣🤣
@TheHonoredMadman2 жыл бұрын
Leonard do be fasting doe
@sturmguard86132 жыл бұрын
bro this whole thing just sounds like nurgle from warhammer í mean the lore
@aidenfuhrman85792 жыл бұрын
Doesn't the Alexander shard only become the alexander's shard after you kill the fire giant implying he ate the fire giant who had red hair
@TheHonoredMadman2 жыл бұрын
its definitely possible i was just going off the chunk missing from radahns armor but now im not as convinced because the armor could be damaged from morgott and radahns fight
@Sunny-jk3pq2 жыл бұрын
Theres a scarlet bloom in the room before Malenia, I honestly do think her scarlet Aeonia explosion during the bossfight is her third
@TheHonoredMadman2 жыл бұрын
yeah this seems highly likely, im working on a follow up about the blind swordsman, ill address this in that
@TheCnicus2 жыл бұрын
@@TheHonoredMadman The Aeonia flower in the room prior to her boss fight IS the flower from when she bloomed fighting Radahn. Finlay carried her all the way home in it since the attack left her in a coma. There's no hard proof that Melania has bloomed a 3rd time and i'll tell you why: The main reason people think her 2nd phase vs the player is her 3rd bloom is because she sprouts wings and the name changes to Goddess of rot. However, the ghost in Aeonia swamp mentions that Melania was seen flying with wings in her fight with Radahn, meaning her 2nd form we see isn't special or unique to our fight alone, it has happened before. i personally think an npc ghost is more reliable for piecing together lore than a 15 second trailer clip that was made to promo the game. Just because Melania wasn't seen with wings in the trailer doesn't mean anything, i'll take the ghost's word for it instead. Also Goddess of Rot is an actual great one read the scorpion tail weapon. Melania is just a vessel for her she's not THEE Goddess just a host for the Goddess' power. TLDR: Idk why people say she has bloomed three times when there's only two Aeonia flowers in the game, and Melania is confirmed to have been seen sprouting wings prior to our fight with her. Meaning her "Goddess of rot" phase has happened before... in her fight vs Radahn specifically.
@zekiel25332 жыл бұрын
@@TheCnicus I havent been able to find that spirit. Only a spirit mentioning that he would love to see her fight one more time
@bzopz31662 жыл бұрын
@@TheCnicus yep and the incantation we get after killing her says she bloomed twice, Im not sure if its me being dense but I cant see how this specifically is a point of contention
@johnayer43042 жыл бұрын
I disagree that Melenia did not become a godess. Melenia did become a goddess midway through the fight. Her rot bloomed the third time, her form changed, and her name changed from “Melenia, Blade of Miquella” to “Melenia, Godess of Rot”. I would also speculate that’s the reason that fromsoft put so much effort into making the Melenia fight so cinematic and challenging is because slaying a god becomes a major goalpost for the character in the main story. So fights against gods should be hard whether that’s Merika/Radagon/elden beast or Melenia. Also, I think we are able to kill her even without destined death because as a godess associated with the other outer gods Melenia wouldn’t be protected from death by the golden order. That’s just my theory though.
@TheHonoredMadman2 жыл бұрын
i think its entirely possible for it to have been the third time, i just couldnt find anywhere that confirmed whenher first bloom was. i do however think you are correct about not needing destined death to kill her but im not entirely sure how destined death works as we can kill several demi gods who appear to stay dead outside of morgott and rykard who leave behind a type of remains of sorts, without the rune of death. im far from an expert on any of this though
@TheCnicus2 жыл бұрын
"Her form changed" If you mean the wings, there's an npc who states that she has been seen with wings many times before and that she has been known as the goddess of rot for a very long time that's why she's worshiped. Her 2nd phase with the player isn't the first time she has sprouted wings and changed form, it's just the first time we see it as the player. Melania has been the goddess of rot for a long time and sprouted wings before, that means what we seen in phase 2 wasn't her true form, she literally does that every fight. Also if that was her 3rd bloom why is there only 2 aeonia flowers found in game? it's heavily implied that the flower in the room prior IS from her fight vs Radahn and that the other is obvs after we fight her ourselves... So if your theory is correct then where's her original flower and what's different about her 2nd phase that hasn't been seen many times before according to the npc? Because according to the worshipers she pulls that 2nd phase shit almost every fight it wasn't special or her true form.
@piedpiper11722 жыл бұрын
@@TheCnicus Shouldn’t the flower from the fight with Radahan be, well, in Caelid? If we are to believe she bloomed for real during the fight with Radahan, and we are treating the big flowers in game as evidence of her blooming, then we are short one flower. There are two in the Haligtree. One beside her room, and one left after her defeat. There are no flowers in Caelid, particularly not in Radahan’s boss area, which is precisely where the two fought (this is visually clear from the cinematic and also told to us, as he goes mad and is left wandering the same battlefield). Also, presumably, we are the only entity aside from her to possess the incantation-which is pulled directly from her soul. To me, this means the incantation’s description is temporally located after her death. Perhaps composed by the finger crone? Two flowers in game, she only bloomed twice. Once at some point in the past (possibly the first flower in the Haligtree if it even is hers, and not a prior attempt by Gowry), and once upon her defeat. I suspect we can’t really rely on the flowers themselves to locate her blooms. Rather, I think the fights with Radahan and with us are the two bloomings the incantation refers to. She did not live long enough to bloom a third time. Also, I think her casting the incantation and truly blooming as separate events. She clearly has the ability to use it repeatedly, yet in Caelid she was left unconscious-and it Chernobyled the entire region rather than the like, 20 meter circle the incantation produces. In summary: I suggest that we cannot definitively locate her two “real” bloomings, but fighting Rahdahan and the Player Character seem to be the most likely examples. More, the incantation she uses during the fight and the one the player later acquires is merely an echo or minor manifestation of the same power. The real second bloom is during her phase transition, and is visibly bigger than the incantation. She also herself states “the scarlet bloom flowers once more.”
@kevindangelo10912 жыл бұрын
Set playback speed to .75 and it sounds like a drunken lore video. Not a bad idea. I would watch
@thenathanbyrne73332 жыл бұрын
What about the one near her boss fight? With all the butterflies surrounding it. Would that not be the second, could of been caused by her needing to recover after her fight with redahn
@Python_John2 жыл бұрын
You are a little mistaken with the queen's bloom the fight she had with general radon was her second bloom and the fight with us as the player was her third that's why her name changes second phase to goddess of rot plus the turtle pope even says it in his dialogue after you study some incantations edit: I'm dyslexic af so don't mind my spelling
@TheHonoredMadman2 жыл бұрын
dont trip my spelling is abysmal sometimes and i agree that thats a possibility but ive seen credible arguments for both cases, because theres no doucmented evidence of her blooming before or after her fight with radahn, the flower to the left of her arena could be hers but it could just as likely be one of gowrys previous "daughters" attempt at becoming a valkyrie, as you find a set identical to milicents at the flower site. i think it could go either way
@Killerwhale3172 жыл бұрын
I call them the white roach xenomorphs.
@TheHonoredMadman2 жыл бұрын
man now im thinking that they procreate like them too given the weird relationship with the dudes with mushroom growin on em