The Sexist Thalidomide Tragedy | Sci Guys Podcast #65

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4 жыл бұрын

Sexism in STEM is certainly a problem, this week we talk about a disastrous outcome of this bias. The Thalidomide scandal is an example of the dangers of poor testing and sheer recklessness.
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Пікірлер: 83

@SciGuys 4 жыл бұрын

Should we test medicine on animals?

@OliviaBohan14 3 жыл бұрын

Cory’s description of unconscious bias, sexism, racism and why we need to actively be anti-sexist/racist is

@echannel6162 4 жыл бұрын

Can we have an episode on testing biases? During college, a lot of my friends talked to me about this and just how behind health is if the user is not a cis-male.

@abby-cally 4 жыл бұрын

oh dear, I accidentally read the title as 'the sexIEST thalidomide experiment' oops haha

@XigXag 2 жыл бұрын

Appreciate Corry doing his very best to explain stereoisomerism as a preface to the actual episode content despite it being something that takes like two weeks of explaining to second year chem majors

@kaitlinberanek4539 3 жыл бұрын

Re: sexism in science/medicine...men are seen as the "default" human. Those models of human muscles? Male bodies. Women's muscle structure is a bit different. Early signs of heart attacks? Male bodies. Women have different warning signs.

@amaladorling-prag441 4 жыл бұрын

Do an episode on periods. Even though I've been having them for 5 years I know nothing about them other than: egg is not fertilised - there is blood and pain. Like why do I have cramps in my legs, legs have nothing to do with my womb, right?

@michaelpemberton8820 4 жыл бұрын

This was an ongoing storyline (thalidomide) in "Call the Midwife" in past series. Without the scientific background, though.

@lottiebeard1638 4 жыл бұрын

I wonder if cis women are partially disregarded from medical research as we seem to be considered as ‘potentially pregnant’ at any time (i.e you could be in the early stages of pregnancy and it is now considered unethical to test on pregnant women).

@vanessa8642 4 жыл бұрын

As a German it was really funny listening to u guys trying to pronounce GmbH right 😂 and glad that u looked it up

@genuinepolyester9445 4 жыл бұрын

Here's a nice wee comment

@ecoonrad4753 4 жыл бұрын

Testing on animals also has a strong male bias as well, a specific example I remember was rats, and if I recall correctly a lot of the time the excuse for only studying bio-males is that they don't menstruate and don't have a hormone cycle so the results will not depend on when you study them, but it's like you guys said, the study isn't necessarily applicable to bio-females and can have much worse effects, diversity in race is also a big issue in studies because not all races react similarly to the same drug, but it seems that your bio-sex effects how drugs react more than race

@intense_orange283 4 жыл бұрын

abt the right-shelled snail: a recessive mutation in any of a number of genes could cause the left-shelled phenotype, so i.e. Jeremy was rr recessive (>>right-shelled) and HH dominant and his mate was hh (right-shelled) and RR, so when they combine the dominant gene in both combinations (hH and Rr) result in right-shelled phenotype.hope this helps!😅

@alexthejustok 4 жыл бұрын

Reminds me of the artificial heart issue. The only one approved for use in the US is designed to fit 80% of all males. Unfortunately it only fits about 20% of females.

@mliljegard19771209 3 жыл бұрын

Thalidomide is still used today in cancer treatment and against leprosy and its also a medical treatment for ulcers in the mouth and stomach but you are not advised to take the treatment under pregnancy anymore.

@Felix-bw6oj 4 жыл бұрын

saved this bad boy for monday so i could watch it on my birthday day. 10/10

@goreyfantod5213 3 жыл бұрын

29:12

@conlon4332 Күн бұрын

I read that they did notice some birth defects in the rodents they tested it on and just ignored them. And honestly, I find it kind of hard to believe that none of them were pregnant during the experiments, as rodents get pregnant