#shadowoftheerdtree #eldenring #lore a very light video to start off the DLC series, no major spoilers, just speculating on a few minor dungeons and their contents
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@TheHonoredMadman3 күн бұрын
Okay so when i recorded this i hadnt yet found shaman village and as soon as i found the braid i was like well shit. Damn games an onion
@cjh.19203 күн бұрын
@@TheHonoredMadman there’s an astronomical amount of content buried in the DLC. Everyone I go back through something while I’m backtracking for Scadutree fragments, I find something I missed.
@hypotrain2 күн бұрын
it's wild that something as seemingly minor as the pots might literally be the catalyst for the entire story of Elden Ring
@TheHonoredMadman4 күн бұрын
Next video is about how i misunderstood mohg for two years
@kunknown23404 күн бұрын
I swear if you call him "mog" through the whole video im gonna blow a gasket.
@cjh.19204 күн бұрын
Please call him mog* the whole video
@friendalex73844 күн бұрын
Mohglester beat the allegations!
@calebgraham33344 күн бұрын
Pro Mohg! Poor fella was used and abused. We were all bewitched by Miquellester...
@alastor80914 күн бұрын
The memes about him and Miquella were right
@Moss_and_Such4 күн бұрын
Kindly Miquella, friendly miquella, tender miquella …….dearest miquella. Poor Mohg. In hindsight, he seemed like a pretty down to earth guy.
@ORLY9113 күн бұрын
Mohg had a more realistic vision for those rejected by the Erdtree, and a more honest one, even if it was still harsh, but what is harsh in an even harsher world?
@ALaz5024 күн бұрын
You misunderstood! The Shamans are Marikas people. Marikas vilage was Shaman Village up north. The Hornsent oppressed them and used them to create the jar people. They have an affinity for attaching to other living things. The hornsent spirit at Bonny Village talks about how thats all Shaman are good for. The meat pile people that attack have Marikas symbol on their forehead and Marikas look. All this in lore btw.😢
@scarlletnull28112 күн бұрын
He didn’t misunderstand he just missed that part. Everything he said is still true
@teleroboticКүн бұрын
It’s not actually Marika’s rune. At least not in isolation. It has both the upward curve but also the downward curve and the Norse maðr and yr runes superimposed on itself. Smoghtown has a high resolution shot of it in their recent video.
@doug33186 сағат бұрын
And that’s probably why all the empty jars are around minor erdtrees; Marika is trying to save the souls of her people from the jars to be reborn through her golden order
@geordiejones56184 күн бұрын
I did not expect you to be the first of my favorite Elden Ring loretubers coming out with new content. Always enjoy your perspective and your style.
@samueltitone56834 күн бұрын
As someone who thought Miquella was a bad guy from the start, I’ve been feeling very vindicated lately.
@Dastardly_DuoКүн бұрын
Right! I'm in the official Discord and I feel so amazing. While they were making fun of people for thinking Mohg was being mind controlled, saying it didn't make sense
@Kaptime4 күн бұрын
Perhaps this is just my interpretation but I think this is the most major plot point of them all... The insides of the jars are Marika's people (villagers from the Hinterlands) before her apotheosis. The Hornscent are responsible for this and as a result, Marika understandably orders Messmer on a crusade against the Hornscent after she becomes a God. If you look at the people inside the jars, they have a forehead seal (a la Berserk) that matches Rada/ika's Soreseals. Messmer's Shadow Castle also has a triage area in the basement as though they tried to help Marika's people after their Jarification. It's possible to visit Marika's village in the top right area of the DLC and she's has left a lock of her hair and an incantation there. Retroactively, I can see why Marika was disgusted by the Omen twins and treated them horribly. The Hornscent aren't innocent.
@Nolimitsbestfriend4 күн бұрын
doesnt justify imprisoning her children she was jus unhealed to that traumatic experience , kinda lucky morgott has (i think has holmes syndrome) and was a loyalists to the golden order and mohg wanted to create a new dynasty staying in the shadows
@TheHonoredMadman4 күн бұрын
Im familiar with this theory and ill admit i hadnt noticed the seal, but i still cant find enough evidence that the shamans = neumans. But i havent read all the new item descriptions, not even close so its very possible i just havent come across the evidence i need yet
@TheHonoredMadman4 күн бұрын
I definitely love this theory tho
@eW91dHViZSBpcyBjZW5zb3JzaGlw4 күн бұрын
The omen cursed of marikas children most like comes from the empyrean grandam. She a hornsent that with horns. Whatever a way to piss off a vile strumpet who cooked ya people with her own children getting horns. It's probably way Marika locked them away under the city under the Erdtree
@Fullmetalnyuu04 күн бұрын
@@TheHonoredMadman Given that the village was explicitly stated as Marika's home and we know Marika is a numen, it's just putting 2 and 2 together imo.
@gabrieldehyrule4 күн бұрын
SPOILERS AHEAD Marika was from the Shaman Village as confirmed by item descriptions and officials sources calling the Land of Shadow the place where Marika first set foot (thus making the Shamans part of the Numen as Marika is also a Numen, I'm guessing the Shamans are not the only Numen tho as they still exist in the current age despite an item description telling that the village was empty by the time Marika went back to bless it, making it seem like all the Shamans but her were killed), no wonder she went on to crusade against the hornsent and impose a purge on the omen in revenge for making jar abominations out of her people. Messmer also has hospital rooms in which it seems like the tried to cure the jar transformed shamans. The gates of divinity are used by both Marika and Miquella to ascend to godhood (as seen in the story trailer and the final boss cutscene respectively), but an interesting detail is that those gates are made out of a shitton of non horned bodies (we see it was flesh rather than stone in the trailer), so the hornsent probably created them through methods akin to how they made the jars, or maybe the jars are even a part of the process (explaining the "saint" thing). Why they made it? To ascend to godhood seems like the obvious answer, the tower also has a big Tower of Babel theme, fitting with it becoming their downfall as Marika, seduced by the two fingers, is the one who uses the gates against the hornsent by becoming a goddess.
@kevexcellent3 күн бұрын
@@gabrieldehyrule they do have horns though, go look at the gate again
@gabrieldehyrule3 күн бұрын
@@kevexcellent oh crap, you are right, the map parts of the gate and Ener-Ilim architecture are unhorned, but they glued to the door a bunch of horned bodies, I wonder if the mix of unhorned and horned heads have a significance or the unhorned ones are like that just because of a lack of model detailing.
@Scadu_Orhyn2 күн бұрын
@@gabrieldehyrule yeah, i think it was just part of the hornsent’s natural culture to sacrifice people (willing or unwilling) to grow life. If you notice, Enir Ilm’s spiral towers are actually made up of the same bodies. Same as the trees found in the same area. So my thinking is that, Hornsent genociding Marika’s people wasn’t personal. They just commit these terrible acts as a cultural practice, and portray the sacrifices as being “saints”
@kevexcellent2 күн бұрын
@@gabrieldehyrule I went back and took a good long look at it. It appears there's different layers of corpses made into it. There is an underlying layer that appears to be melded/grafted together flesh. The hornsent corpses look to be added later. Also, if you look at the top of the gate, you can see these long ropes/braids of something entangled with the corpses. There's clearly a lot of detail put into the design of this gate and coupled with the Marika scene, implies there absolutely is a mystery to be unraveled here. The secret rite being written on white bark makes me think Marika gained the knowledge, but allowed the hornsent to prepare the ritual, only for Marika to pull a fast one at the last second.
@vrygon88932 күн бұрын
@@kevexcellentshe probably got close to high ranking hornsent officials to get that information before doing it, hence the "betrayal" that the hornsent mentions
@annquach66134 күн бұрын
Those jars are filled with Marikas family.
@TheHonoredMadman4 күн бұрын
I cant find definitive proof that shamans = neuman because theres ghost that have horns and are begging not to be turned into jars
@eW91dHViZSBpcyBjZW5zb3JzaGlw4 күн бұрын
Shamans are most likely neumans. The lands of shadow are outside the lands between. It's pretty much confirmed there one and the same.
@GangstaMonkey2144 күн бұрын
@@TheHonoredMadman There's a numen rune in jarburg, and jar enemies have the symbol of Marika on their forehead
@UltraStarWarsFanatic4 күн бұрын
@@TheHonoredMadman Did you not find Marika's home village, which is called "village of shamans?" Or the developer message in front of her statue?
@blinkrush61014 күн бұрын
@@TheHonoredMadmanyeah I have to agree with the other commenters. Firstly, the shaman village provides plenty of evidence. Secondly, the Hornsent are begging because all of the shaman jars contained a single living shaman and several cut up dead non-shaman criminals, presumably almost entirely Hornsent.
@beansnrice3214 күн бұрын
1st up to bat with the lore videos! I appreciate the light touch. Just enough to spark discussion but not spoiling anything late game. =)
@Auzzymandias2 күн бұрын
About the Lands Between jars; I had a theory after the second or third time I found Alexander trapped in a hole. What if the purpose of the jars in the lands between is to feed the Erdtree/minor erdtrees? Golden Order burial customs involve placing the dead in the Erdtree/Greattree roots, and the roots can be seen absorbing the bodies, and Miquella fed the Haligtree with his own blood, so clearly these trees grow from blood, viscera and perhaps souls. This could be why there's dozens of jars around many minor erdtrees, their roots may not go deep enough to be used for burial purposes so the jars feed them their contents directly. Alexander might subconsciously be digging himself into holes near an unsprouted erdtree seed.
@friendalex73844 күн бұрын
The new gaols are interesting to compare to Marika's Land's Between because there are no fully formed gaol systems but there are Evergaols. When she took power, everyone who didn't want to be part of her order was murdered, and any individuals who committed crimes afterward were kept in containment, basically as they were, forever. Another example of obsessively trying to uphold some kind of status quo situation and an example of the stagnation that comes with it. Kind of understandable given what was done to her people. It's also an example of From's exceptional environmental storytelling because they actually use negative space to do it.
@piyoweb3 күн бұрын
This DLC literally gives "Living Jar" a new meaning!
@alliesotherness94564 күн бұрын
Keep ‘em coming! Your vid’s have easily become my favorite I love your level of laid back speculation. Also definitely do individual vids for each npc I feel like there’s a lot going on there for each of them. Moore seems very simple quest wise but I’d bet there’s something going between him, the kindred and the version of the rot we see in the dlc maybe even some connection to the mother of fingers because of his weird armor and shield but that’s pure speculation
@TheHonoredMadman4 күн бұрын
I kept this one pretty light because i really dont wanna spoil any major events, that being said i think there maybe a spoiler in the final thoughts
@odeegrotsniffer41664 күн бұрын
Spoilers? People can just not click a video
@fabianpino49104 күн бұрын
Bro, can you make a video about the shaman village and the shamans in general? Seems like a pivotal plot point in game, thanks in advance
@madmorgo62334 күн бұрын
Joined ya for the Outro 🔥 Based video, I'm excited to play further into the DLC... it's so good! and the music is fantastic 🤩 I appreciate you taking it easy for now. I'm keen asf to talk abiut it too XD
@kevexcellent4 күн бұрын
It's my understanding that shamans and sages were targets of the hornsent as heretical things.
@Scadu_Orhyn2 күн бұрын
Eh, shamans weren’t heretical, the we’re just foreign, and the hornsent people didn’t have mercy for foreigners. But the “sage” youre are talking about is particularly heretical due to inheriting a demonic life source that can kill the souls that Hornsent pray for. Not spoiling who, I’m sure you know who, but the “sage” posses power that contradict the practices and beliefs of Hornsent. Sages aren’t heretical, but this particular sage is
@cjh.19204 күн бұрын
Dude this DLC shook up the entire lore foundation we thought we had. The lore bombs in this DLC are immense and give me the full emotional spectrum.
@dZ06474 күн бұрын
None of it makes sense…so it def shook the foundation up that’s for sure
@cjh.19204 күн бұрын
@@dZ0647 it all starts to come together the more you explore. There’s an excessive amount to unpack. Definitely worth the $40
@Dastardly_DuoКүн бұрын
@@dZ0647what doesn't make sense??
@andreaven22874 күн бұрын
The inards enemies are very similar to the grandmother inside the tree in marika village. I think that means all the jar are filled with shamans, the women only culture of young marika ( much like the black blades wich marika have ties to).
@Robbiebandz20204 күн бұрын
Been waiting for a dlc vid
@stephanie_jjb4 күн бұрын
I'm kind of disappointed you didn't talk about shaman village in this video, the implications of that area along with lore details with Bonny village is undoubtedly my favorite part of the DLC
@KaedNinescarred4 күн бұрын
So excited for the eventual Igon video!
@stampede2744 күн бұрын
If you want to know more about their origins, seek out the Hinterlands. Marika has a history with these things.
@calebgraham33344 күн бұрын
Awesome video, as always. Keep this shit coming, brotha!
@EFFLUVIUMWRITING2 күн бұрын
WOOO WE LOVE HONORED MADMAN CONGRATS ON THE 26K
@whimsiquisitive4 күн бұрын
I remember I found a cookbook item which indicated Bonny village was the origin of the jar practice. Also the use of the jars in the shadow realm as a sort of insane punishment seems quite different than in the lands-between, where they seem to be used as basically fertilizer and not made from prisoners seemingly. Alexander just gathers up remains from the battle of aeonia after all. POSSIBLE SPOILER: Someone mentioned a theory that Marika's people from the Shaman village in the Hinterlands were actually taken by the Hornsent and mashed into the jars and Marika was the sole survivor. That's why the minor erdtree incantation says she bathed the area in healing light despite knowing there was nobody left. If true it would explain a lot, like why she wanted the Hornsent wiped out in the first place and why she removed death from the Elden ring, as an effort to prevent the suffering she went through from ever happening again.
@dadevi2 күн бұрын
She wasn't the lone survivor. The remaining numen went to the lands between with Marika and participated in the night of the black knives.
@lordgorgrath17734 күн бұрын
Yummy yummy strawberry jam
@Level1Bacon4 күн бұрын
subbed at your bong rip, thank you for that.
@facundovera32274 күн бұрын
I'm back to watching Madman's videos to get the full picture of the lore without playing the videogame, same as Elden Ring's original release. Good stuff.
@Faris-jj2wi4 күн бұрын
10:20 Habibi we want everything 😂
@Faris-jj2wi4 күн бұрын
Cool video BTW
@BierhalterКүн бұрын
One point that is interesting to me now is the difference between the potentates in the lands between and the lands of shadow. while in the lands of shadow the potentates are rough and gruel butchers in the lands between the jars demand a potentate with soft hands. Maybe that was something Marika invented, as someone with soft hands is clearly not violent.
@devinport.3 күн бұрын
Anyone with an item like the bewitching branch was NEVER GONNA BE A GOOD GUY
@98Dreadboy2 күн бұрын
Actually a bit creeped out exploring that cave and the specimen storeroom, felt like bloodborne vibes man I loved it
@ehhg94 күн бұрын
“We’re a pro Mohg channel now” I cheered
@coraline27704 күн бұрын
Ive been loving the lore im finding in the dlc
@topcat594 күн бұрын
Cool vid bro.😺
@TheHonoredMadman3 күн бұрын
When this was recorded i had not yet been to shaman village so ya know, my bad lol
@gtjoe1464 күн бұрын
I wish we got a bit more lore in the DLC, but I am amped to see what you got cooking once the spoiler-free time has passed.
@terilien61243 күн бұрын
"Get in the jar shaman shinji."
@world3ter7923 күн бұрын
I think the knot symbol on the lid is representing the crucible as it is considered holy by ppl of realm of shadow
@dadevi2 күн бұрын
Maybe Radagon is Marika because of a jar. This would explain a lot.
@Sorrus-B4lyfe4 күн бұрын
The place creeped me out… yet it’s tragic, they’ve become morphed together blop of a being.
@OmegaUberDeathbot4 күн бұрын
I always thought the jars were piled around minor trees because they were being collected to feed the tree. Erd tree burial and all.
@Etticos.3 күн бұрын
Letsss gooooo dlc lore
@cjh.19204 күн бұрын
So holup. Miquella seems way more complex to me than he’s just a bad guy. I think Miquella is the definition of “the road to hell is paved with good intentions”. I don’t want to spoil things for anyone so I won’t get into it… but I can be very very sympathetic towards him. The story for this DLC is heartbreaking.
@ApocryphA4204 күн бұрын
I tripped out cuz the bong was still ripping after finished. 🤙
@josephdellavecchia78283 күн бұрын
I would prefer individual videos about each of the dlc characters. Damn its hard to choose a favorite, Thioller, Ansbach, and Igon were all great
@TheScrootch4 күн бұрын
I think it's more likely that the jars served the golden order and therefore became saints. Sanctified by the golden order
@slouch1864 күн бұрын
i wanna know who at fromsoft came up with this jar concept and how they convinced everyone else to go along with it. they are so creepy but also goofy at the same time.
@Idontevenknowman7794 күн бұрын
Best lore vids
@TheScrootch4 күн бұрын
You know, I don't think I want to be the potentate for Jarburg anyway. Seems like some nasty work
@mrpuggerson3 күн бұрын
Heck yeah awesome video I’m sad that it’s just a sound effect at the end instead of an actual rip. Nobody starts talking half a second after that fat of a rip without exhaling at all :(
@FlagellantSalt4 күн бұрын
#justiceformogh
@minespatch2 күн бұрын
Haven't played yet but been reading spoiler threads in discords. The saints sound like the mummified budhas I read about in Inuyasha.
@ZeroN1neZero4 күн бұрын
I haven’t watched in a while but I’m happy to announce i still clapped like a chimp for the bong rip💖❤️🔥💖love ya madman
@user-jy4kb4wu1k4 күн бұрын
Good stuff, please keep more dlc content coming. Spoilers are over.
@lukemohr3024 күн бұрын
Can you make a video on Igon
@ebbtide42333 күн бұрын
I think the saint jars were stuffed and made out of the inhabitants of the marikas home the shaman village
@giano37153 күн бұрын
I think you got the who is the jar wrong. they aren't hornsent. they are people from the shaman village, where Marika came from.
@billybois57454 күн бұрын
Quoting a Zone-sama porn animation: "I've always wondered how sausage was made!"
@VuittonDon134 күн бұрын
Multiple videos. I’ve already beaten Messmer and gotten almost no real lore of what the hell is going on. Except chasing crosses that Miquella left. Edit: Ainsbach did mention Mohg got done dirty! Possibly wasn’t a Mohglester
@Nolimitsbestfriend4 күн бұрын
definitely mohglested
@alastor80914 күн бұрын
Why are the Jars a thing when there are no Minor Scadutrees to wster?
@JustAskYourQuestionAlready2 күн бұрын
I wonder if the shadow realm jars are Marikas people
@darklordauron4 күн бұрын
I'd prefer singular videos for each unless you want to make a three hour video with all of the interconnections.
@jessiesewell407617 сағат бұрын
I wonder if Ensha was Trina's first consort? Going back at his armor, knowing Trina is the female aspect of Miquella, the gems on the bones matched the Haligtree Prayer windows in coloring.
@alexwci82643 күн бұрын
I didn't listen to fuck all but i heard the whole video so heres a like
@leonjenkins57413 күн бұрын
What about the npc igon
@thebarbecube3173 күн бұрын
HI MADMAN!
@Niru6844 күн бұрын
Can you talk about how wack that ending was.
@TheHonoredMadman4 күн бұрын
I definitely alot of thoughts and feelings about that but ima hold off for a bit
@ppete49854 күн бұрын
Aldia upload when
@killervic73794 күн бұрын
Hey buddy
@VultureXV3 күн бұрын
4:41 That's because these innards were crafted from Shamans; Marika's ilk. For one reason or another, the denizens of the Land of Shadow began to target the Shamans for their jar ritual. Probably because Marika's original sin. A form of disgraceful attack was done against the Shaman hometown, which (ultimately) led Marika to send Messmer on the Crusade to exterminate as many as possible for what would be the wanton slaughter of her people. I feel this initial attack was due to the Original Sin of Marika doing something to upheave what would have been an Age of the Sun (aka Horned Fell God of Fire as depicted by the Furnace Icon). Note, I can't believe I never caught this until now...but there is _no sun_ in the Lands Between. None. You can't even select "sun" in the in-game message system. You can select Moon, Stars, Night, Day, etc...but no "sun". Even the Sunflowers face the Tree. The Horned Fell God, God of the Sun, who's totem animal was that of a Lion (considering the final endgame zone and the Divine Beast Dancing Lion boss and all the other Lion iconography). I think the story of Apollo and Crytie is best fitting for this. Crytie fell for Apollo (a sun god) but Apollo had eyes for another. Crytie called upon her father to bury this other woman alive. Apollo, outraged, cursed Crytie to be a sunflower and forever gaze at the sun. I think a very, very similar story plays out with Marika and her oldest rival; the Gloam Eyed Queen. The Sun God wanted the Queen, not Marika, and so Marika betrayed the Queen and caused the Sun to retreat forever from the Lands Between. I feel that is the best thing I can assume the Original Sin would be.
@AnotherSyouz2 күн бұрын
i ll just say #justiceformogh if you know... you know :(
@alastor80914 күн бұрын
How do you misspronounce "potentate" when Jar Bairn says it for you? You even made a video using JB's footage.
@TheHonoredMadman3 күн бұрын
I play the game on low volume sometimes and i have a habit of pronouncing things how they look. Leads to these types of situations. Force of habit honestly
@oliorogue3 күн бұрын
Everyone thinks they're the good guy.
@baraldogrant3 күн бұрын
Individual
@Uramessi3022 күн бұрын
Respect the rip 😂
@jacobgill21104 күн бұрын
Hating the no spoiler children holding up all the lore uploads and indepth convos about the dlc while they can't wrap their heads around the new blessings because they can't be bothered to read a description
@samueltitone56834 күн бұрын
Do they not know how easy it is to not click on videos?
@Fullmetalnyuu04 күн бұрын
It's just common decency to not be blasting spoilers not even a week after this thing came out...use your head
@Jumpboy51004 күн бұрын
@@Fullmetalnyuu0if you don't want spoilers don't go online. It's the only way to avoid them.
@homerlol90584 күн бұрын
@@Jumpboy5100well said
@facundovera32274 күн бұрын
Lore videos are _fine._ But people uploading the Final Fight hours after the DLC release date are just unthoughtful.
@Arc-ug7dc4 күн бұрын
Thanks I hate it! :D
@someguy-et6pd3 күн бұрын
U got some lore wrong bro
@Sodabull3 күн бұрын
Dude you clearly have no idea what you’re talking about lol keep posting and you’ll get that $ tho doesn’t have to be good content just has to be content
@HeyGuy43213 күн бұрын
2:20 im guessing those potentates dont have "slick slidy" hands
@johnj98773 күн бұрын
Bro please make a video on Ymir and the fingerbeast I did the quest and have no clue wtf I fought lmao it’s a younger sister of the Elden beast or something