I love that. Thanks for sharing :)

There's a book I read recently that must be titled "It's monsters I like", it's a graphic novel, kinda hard on the heart (many hard topics covered), but it talks exactly of this feeling. Recommended!

Léa Mu Biu You’re referring to _My Favorite Thing Is Monsters_ by Emil Ferris. I really enjoyed it, but it was extremely hard to follow because text was all over the place with no rhyme or reason and it was super dense. It was one of those graphic novels with more text to read than pictures. I felt as if I had come across a mentally ill person’s journal, which is actually a good thing.

Similar to how Lady Gaga refers to her fans as monsters, because most of them are those who are outcasted by society

@@MildMisanthropeMaybeMassive Yeah, that was it! I read it in French, hence... Yeah it was very dense, and the art is amazing, shockful of detail, and the whole narrative is very emotionally charged. It doesn't help that it's not super polished, that the artist used lined paper and ballpen. Gorgeous in its own way, but also sort of messy. Fundamentally the narrator lives and sees things in a peculiar way. It can be called childish fantasy, it can be called mild dysphoria, but it's certainly rather disquieting.

I don't think the fish does either... _or any hair for that matter_

one could think making a movie that was so woke is a cynical move. It's what I think of as the best representation of a woke story. This is where it works really well whereas woke elements are jammed into other movies. Accepting the moral majority of an industry could be thought of as an intentional direction. I know the written material he likes is very un-woke... stuff like HP Lovecraft and Robert E Howard and all that fantasy from the old days. He wanted to do H.P. Lovecraft's Mountains of Madness but instead did a woke romance? I think the market dictated this move. Good movie though.... just not an indication he's not cynical or hasn't learned anything by not being able to make his dream project because it might be too un-woke.

@@MicahMicahel you are deeply reading into things I think

@@MicahMicahel Ikr this film was literally leftist white male genocide WTF sjw propaganda

When I hear his name I just think of the stereotypical weird dark fairy weird folktale with shocking weird dark moments and the characters doing strange unrealistic things like automatically thinking scary creatures are their friends. They are silly plots that make no sense.

I literally cried watching the movie it was so breathtakingly beautiful

That's by far my favourite dialogue of the film

Because she was never incomplete,in his eyes they were the same

And Hawkins, as always, delivers perfectly.

That line actually made me cry and I think I just cried through the whole rest of the movie afterwards.

How is a black woman and a gay man an outcast in 2021 🙄 if that's the case add straight white trumper to that or biblethumper

@@OoToxiToxioO It's pretty obvious that you didn't watch the film. The movie took place in 1962 during the Cold War so yes, their characterization can be seen as outcasts especially during the time that this film took place in.

@@OoToxiToxioO dude seriously? Go back under your rock, cos seriously the gulf….no, the CANYON of difference between being othered because you’re gay or disabled or a different colour/culture, and a trumpanzee who hates and would happily destroy all of the above is staggering.. obviously the idea of love being beyond appearances, beyond social mores, beyond religion…….is beyond you.

@@OoToxiToxioO u sound slow

@@OoToxiToxioO The movie takes place during the Cold War with the Soviets in 1962 you dingus-head. Watch the movie then come back to us

No, it's far more than that. It's a love letter to all who feel outcast, undesireable, different, and alone in a society that fears and hates us because we are "other".

@@docrasey2232 I know, it was just a joke, I got the point. Besides, saying it's a fanfic is not a offense itself, if you go further than "well, what if this character banged this other", fanfics reflects the watcher's view and subverts them into the active and creative role by writing a new possibility

@@docrasey2232 it's still a fanfic though. Youre operating under the assumption that fanfics are created simply for sexual fantasy and dont have good writing or attack core issues. Fanfics can be one or the other or both.

True. I'm actually doing the same thing with him, every time I read something I dont like I will stopped reading and made my own version of the story inside my head. The fact that he actually has the skill and determination to make it into reality is really inspiring. what an icon

the shape of water: black lagoon-inspired fix-it fic, 100k word slow burn, found family, strangers to lovers, with a dash of monsterfucking. yeah i'd read this fic. and bookmark it.

“Defiantly full of hope” is such a lovely way of putting it ❤️

maybe that's why...why pan's labyrinth resonated so much with me as a girl and even now...why I saw myself in ophelia

I remember watching pans labyrinth when I was reallyyyy young and I’ve loved him since

and that's why I love Pacific Rim so much

I betchu feel a kinship with Downeys, too. 🤣

In beauty and the beast (the animated version only), it’s also about looking past the appearance. Belle loved his personality because if you remember, she said she loved him, he transformed in front of her eyes and she was skeptical of this human man in front of her. But she looks into his eyes and finds the man she fell in love with. She doesn’t judge his appearance but shows that what she fell in love with was the man she got to know. I feel like people focus too much on his appearance and forget this. Del Toro spelled it out a bit more but beauty and the beast achieved the same message.

@@inuloveskago That's true! You're right! I never picked up on the eyes thing.

*Gaston But yeah

because EVERY romance movie is this set up... compasionate too good for her enviroment chick... guy with obvious short comings... asshole representing sociaty.... side kick (usually minority/forigner/special intrest group to fully drive home the point that GIRL really is too good for her enviroment) that represents the potential ov sociaty (usually killed by asshole representing socity). the only diffrence is cgi... amount ov tits and dick shown... and who the minority we are ment to root for as an attempt to pass as 'sub context'

You remind me of a comedian who poked fun at TV Guide. "Streetcar Named Desire" -- Stanley's bowling game is interrupted by a visit from sister-in-law Blanch.

Guillermo is Mexican, Mexico is in the west. This movie is western. Or are we not white enough for your definition of western?

@@ericktellez7632 That's literally what I'm saying. I'm literally saying that other stories in Western pop culture can also be perceived as strange but aren't. And even though Guillermo is Mexican, the movie was distributed by American companies. Wikipedia literally says it's an American movie hence why I said Western. I'm sorry that the omission of the word "other" hindered you from understanding my comment and you responded by being combative and defensive.

Tbh no one had a problem with Tom Hanks falling in love with a mermaid in Splash!, so when people went on about how weird and out there this film was, it kind of made me go?? But then again, I've been involved in fandom spaces and have been terminally online for much of my life, so maybe my life long monster fucking self just normalized this and it seems pretty normal to me now.

Yeah... these same people, who think this is weird, have no problem watching anything Marvel related or alien type stuff. Like filling in love with an alien isn't just as "out there" of a concept but there's action in between so that makes it okay. 🤷🏻‍♀️😑 Edit: spelling correction

Perhaps movies where men have sex with female monsters often follow the trope of "sexy woman catfishes man and turns into ravenous monster once he's aroused in order to nom him"? So there's sort of a morality tale/warning injected in there: beware the power of the sexy woman in case she eats you part way through. But these tales are more about lust than love. I didn't personally see the sex scene as being too male-gazey. The camera didn't linger on Elisa's body in that creepy way it usually does. The sex scene felt like an organic part of the storytelling, necessary to highlighting the connection between the characters. And the fish man...ahem...he was hot, despite some monsterism. I hope they ended up meeting in the ocean and swimming off happily together.

It's also just really funny to me, who reads and watches a lot of fantasy. The Genre is FULL of human - Monster romance. Beauty and the beast is beloved by all. Twilight Features human - Monster relationships. Half the Fantasy Anime i grew Up with featured this in one way or another. Hell, Guillermo dem torro already used that trope in His Hellboy movies! The big difference is that in this Iteration, the Monster a) doesnt Turn human at the end and b) isnt LOOKING human. In Vampire romance, you get a Monster thats also a literal Predator and as likely to rip your throat Out as it is to kiss you. But people are comfortable with that because they LOOK human. Same with the weird age Gap hypocrisy where all is Well as Long as the 300year old Guy LOOKS Like a teenager. I find a visible non-human Monster much more engaging because it forces you to engage with the otherness. You cant Gloss over it, you cant ignore it. And that is why people dont know how to handle it.

Fish boi was hot tho 🥵

@@TiffyVella1 I mean, no one is arguing he isn't hot. Doug Jones was over the moon about how hot his butt looked in the costume. Doug has had dance training to build muscle, but clearly his body simply can't create fat, so he'll never have a juicy butt. So that must have been fun for him.

@@annabeinglazy5580 What's so interesting about all these different monster/human romances is that they almost always involve men as the monsters, and in every case, the monstrousness is a thin metaphor for male violence against women. Beauty and the Beast is a sort of reverse "Taming of the Shrew" story, a guide to managing violent husbands so you can enjoy their wealth. In a world where women couldn't generate or inherit wealth on their own, this is an essential lesson. But Twilight demonstrates that this lesson has still to be learned, romanticizing the task of turning predatory Peter Pans who chase under-age women into passably decent partners. The big difference, of course, is that Beauty and the Beast seems a more necessary lesson for surviving feudal Europe as a woman, while Twilight is about hanging on to romantic notions that feminism has long proven both obsolete and profoundly damaging.

This is a beautiful comment

Underrated comment right here. I like how you pieced everything together!

Best comment ever!!!

You just dropped the mic on all other comments 👍👍

Funny you should mention Strickland and how men are only allowed a limited "masculine" personality or else risk being ostracized. Masculinity is supposed to be about strength and fearlessness, but really it's about conformity and complacency. It's not even worth picking apart the difference between 10 men when they're all just trying to be the same thing to varying results.

I never thought of it that way. Now I am less confused. Thank you. I was so confused how she could live in the water if she could not breathe under there. I have not read the Red shows, but I completely did notice notice the parallels to the Little Mermaid. Now I have a new perspective. Thanks.

@@gabrielleduplessis7388 There was a line in the movie where they say how she was found by a river with cuts in her neck as a baby and there are more details you notice if you look for them

@@meloetta1542 i will definitely do that next time. Thanks. Eases my confusion a bit.

Another fun thing I noticed re:this movie and the Andersen references is that instead of being Eliza with a 'z', the protagonist's name is Elisa with an 's', which is also the name of the protagonist of The Wild Swans, another of Andersen's most famous stories, who has to break the curse on her brothers by not speaking and staying completely silent until she's finished weaving shirts made of nettles for all seven of them. Not the same as movie Elisa being physically mute, obviously, but an interesting detail and something I haven't seen anyone else point out afaik

I love how you called it a fairy tale. That's what I consider this movie to be. Happilly ever after and all. The fact that while this movie is for mature audiences, that it almost made me feel like a kid again...Del Toro is a genius.

​@being yourself aspergers hasn't been in the dsm since 2013 so there isn't a distinction between it and autism anymore ! /nm

I love cartoons and anime

As a fellow monster, I fully agree with everything you shared, as if I said it myself. Our struggles may be different, but our aspirations align. I truly hope you find what you are looking for, and may it be worth the wait. 🙏

You might like this manga called Yankee-kun to Hakujou Girl, it's about an outcast delinquent falling in love with a blind girl and their relationship and daily hurdles. It's super sweet and wholesome.

I grew up with two brothers who were in wheelchairs (Muscular Dystrophy.) I have seen and experienced first-hand what you are saying. I remember, too, meeting a woman with Spina Bifida, who relied on crutches to get around, and being very disappointed that she had a boyfriend and was monogamous, because she was so amazing that I wanted very much to date and be with her. I mentioned that to a friend and found myself being publically mocked for "wanting to f**k a cripple."

Ah, she isn’t deaf! She is mute, I believe her vocal chords were cut when she was little (hence the scars on her neck). Therefore, she uses ASL to communicate.

Mute, not deaf. But yes.

@@julzeeb4 Point still being she cannot communicate the way society deems as "normal"

Same

finally someone said this!!!!!

Ah, then you should have watched the Ron Perlman/Linda Hamilton Beauty and the Beast show G.R.R.M. worked on. I used to watch when I was little. Also, I thought that the Prince in the Disney version looked weird. Maybe it was how the light hit his face after he turned around. I remember feeling disappointed. lol

Beast would’ve got bigger dick anyway -belle, probably

Shrek did a better job than beauty&thebeast

While I don't disagree with the over all point I think that specific example wouldn't be the same if it were a merman (instead it would just be made fun of for being "mommy porn").

@@an8strengthkobold360 you mean a human and a merman? Although the thing they mentioned was a male human and a mermaid.

@@FaiaHalo women × merman

@@an8strengthkobold360 The example she gave in the video was a human male and female mermaid

@@user-hb4zz4gh5e yes I'm aware, that's not my point.

Yes, they don’t feel forced, which does happen in modern movies unfortunately

💙💙💙💙💙💙💙

The popularity of games like Mass Effect shows that interspecies romance isnt that obscure after all.

@@shinjite06 Exactly. Not to mention in Beauty and the Beast, I HATED when he became human just like Guillermo lol

Preach, Elisa and the Asset fall for each other due to their personalities, not their appearances, and see the other as a kindred spirit.

@@chubbybunny6975 I saw it when I was a kid once and for many years I remembered only the story but not the transformation of him back to the human. I was somehow baffled when I rewatched it.

It’s missing the mark to say you wish he had stayed a beast though. You’re not accepting him as him. Belle loved his personality because if you remember, she said she loved him, he transformed in front of her eyes and she was skeptical of this human man in front of her. But she looks into his eyes and finds the man she fell in love with. She doesn’t judge his appearance but shows that what she fell in love with was the man she got to know. I feel like people focus too much on his appearance and forget this.

@@inuloveskago You're absolutely right, people conveniently forgets that part of the movie where Belle was actually afraid that the Man in front of her was not the Beast she fell in love with. His eyes told the truth though... and they were in love.

@@inuloveskago yes, and love also transformed the beast from the cruel lonely beast to a kind thoughtful beast who put Belle’s needs before his own. Belle didn’t ask him to change, she didn’t expect him to change, but love changed him. And because he changed, Belle fell in love with him. It was only after Belle admitted she loved him that he physically transformed but he had emotionally transformed before that.

@@inuloveskago tbf the original comment said "when I was a kid". and I feel like we were so accepting of the beasts appearance, it wouldn't have mattered *what* he looked like as a human, it was just a shocking transformation. I feel the same way when my husband grows a beard, I get used to it and then he shaves it off randomly - it's like I'm seeing a different person for a few days.

@@FrankysABoysName The comment says “since I was a kid” which gives a different meaning, as in saying that they still believe to this day.

Yes -- all my sentiments exactly!🙂👍🏻🧜🏻‍♀️💦🥚🎞💙

Yes!

ME JUST FINDING OUT HE DIRECTED BOTH OF THOSE AND THATS WHY I LIKE THIS MOVIE SO MUCH

My god I can't STAND those people, they make school _sooo_ much more tiring

*antagonist. Elisa is the protagonist of the film.

I always found The Little Mermaid to be so, so bleak (original story, not familiar with the Disney version) for how the Ultimate Reward for the mermaid was to give up her uniqueness and her gifts and mermaidness to earn a pain-stricken human body and finally an eternal soul. AND she was yet another who sought the love of a conventional prince. It's a denial of who and what she already was, and she lost her perfect voice. Del Toro would treat the Little Mermaid with a lot more respect.

I wish more werewolf movies portrayed a gentle and tender wolf man. I hate the angry murderous werewolf trope because real wolves aren’t like that. I’d love a more positive emphasis on werewolves. And no twilight doesn’t count lol.

@@georgiajohnson4983 There is one werewolf movie that managed to strike that chord with my. When Animals Dream/Når Dyrene Drømmer. The werewolf is used as a very well-handled metaphor for growing into womanhood. Unfortunately I lost my DVD in a move and the film is impossible to find online (unless you wanna give money to Amazon, I guess)

@@PoppyHapalopus I'll try to look for that movie thank you ❤️

@@georgiajohnson4983 Try Mamoru Hosoda's animated film, Wolf Children.

I enjoyed the themes of humanity and treating everyone fairly despite our differences. Also, how humans have the urge (not all) to experiment on creatures they have never seen before. Sometimes the military looks fir their next biological weapon. I just get deterred by the intimacy of two creatures who don’t share the same genetics physically because I think it too literally. Also, how can live with him. She has no gills. She can’t breathe under there. Maybe it is wrong for me to think this way, but while I can suspend my disbelief, it is difficult to not think literally or logically sometimes. However, the friendships in the story make the movie a must watch.

Edit: i forgot she grew gills at the end. Sorry.

I'm always surprised when people don't like Del Toro films. From giant mech droids controlled with the power of friendship and nuclear energy all the way to a murder mystery with helpful ghosts that just want to warn you about the oddly close siblings. I just love GDT.

@@gabrielleduplessis7388 That’s what love is, though. Love persists past if you can work intimately with someone, it’s genuine care for their well-being and loving them despite possibly not being able to be intimate, or finding creative ways to get around it and bond. He was humanoid in shape, could understand language and comprehend consent, and could give that consent. Despite looking different, he was worth loving 💕

@@chubbybunny6975 i get that. And I admired that aspect of the story. I guess I am one of the few people who has a hard tome getting past that part, but it dies not mean I don’t respect and admire what they went through to be together.

I concur, while the style and story won't be to everyone's tastes, the message about loneliness and the need for companionship is still relevant today.

Their love story is probably my favorite in the entire anime/fiction in general. It's love in the purest form without any judgement and prejudice, just based on mutual respect and love for shogi

I don't even think it's that she was blind so much that she was humble and kind, yet also fearless. And not fearless because she was blind, but because just in general life was always against her and yet she carried on and did the best she could. And if she couldn't do that, she was resolved to die.

YESSSS I’m glad i’m not the only one who thought that too!!

Meruem and Komugi remain to be one of my favorite romances ever. Seeing it develop and the effect she had on him was so sweet

Meruem and komugi's love story is one of my favorites love stories in anime ever! I cried so hard watching them

Yeah, he kind of illustrated how most human disregard their humanity while all other creatures in his works displaying a huge resemblance of humanity more than most human characters in his works who are blind by either greed or wrath or ego.

I don't think so personally. I think he would have gone the other way and made it too dark and creepy strange. It is not supposed to be a dark tale, but a true adventure with sad aspects but also mainly the joy of a quest and friendship.

@@Lotsielots actually him wanting the films to be more light and adventure focused is part of why he was taken off the project. the producers wanted them to fit exactly into the lord of the rings movies previous and to turn as much profit as possible-- del toro wanted to do the hobbit justice. so i can see why you'd guess what his take would have been but you're wrong in your assumption here

@@Lotsielots it's weird that you think Guillermo del Toro is just "dark and creepy strange" when...he's more than that? all of his stories are always aggressively joyful and optimistic even with its dark tones and creepy aesthetics. he deeply values human connections, platonic or romantic, in his stories and he has explored it in many ways, many contexts - if anything, love and understanding is a moving force and consistent theme in a lot of the stuff he writes. his stories are what fairytales really feel like and should be once you overcome enforced shiny, wholesome sheen mainstream media has continuously sold onto us as the idea of fairytales. and as someone else pointed out, del Toro _wanted_ the Hobbit films to be light and adventure-focused but the producers didn't want that, they just wanted the next epic Lord of the Rings even though the Hobbit book was never meant to be anything like LOTR. (Lindsay Ellis has a brilliant video essay series on the matter.) i would also add that i have a feeling del Toro would've given _all_ the dwarves the focus that was supposed to be on them in the first place, instead of shafting them later on in favour of more marketable, conventionally attractive characters like Kili, Fili, and the elves. he certainly wouldn't have forced a love triangle - or, frankly, he may even have written a more compelling one if he had to. you assume that he wouldn't deliver on "a true adventure with sad aspects but also mainly the joy of a quest and friendship" - but Guillermo del Toro's heartfelt storytelling and his ability to have a _range_ tells me he absolutely would've been able to. (sure he favours a kind of aesthetic, but this is the same guy who could make a gothic-horror romance like Crimson Peak _and_ a balls-busting sci-fi kaiju/mecha anime-homage with Pacific Rim; there's also the fact that Pan's Labyrinth hits the classical fairytale-esque beats of "main character must fulfill x amount of tasks/quests" to an excellent tee.)

I hope you enjoy it 😊

i hope that you liked it. it’s such a beautiful movie!

I really hope you like it. Deadass a top 10 movie for me. 100 percent deserved all of it's awards.

If you have ever felt alone, or "outside", or unloved and unloveable, if you have ever felt you had no voice in the world, this movie will speak to your heart. It's Del Toro's love letter to all who have ever felt that way.

Thanks for the kind words! 🙏🏽

I openly sobbed for a good half of it and I still cry when I watch it, so you're definitely not the only one.

I haven't watched the whole movie yet but the part where Elisa tries to say how she feels about the fish man has me crying like a baby

She got them cheeks clapped.

I was in tears from the opening narration on. I still cry both happy and sad every time I watch it. The scene when Elisa does the dance steps down the hall, then smiles to herself because she can sense a change is coming gives me the shivers. Then, when she goes outside to the bus stop and sees a man holding a birthday cake with one piece missing, and green and blue balloons, foreshadowing the imminent rebirth of Elisa and all she touches, I am just in awe of Del Toro's story-telling power.

WOW. I've never considered that silver screen monsters were an interpretation of veterans. This is incredibly eye opening. Thank you

@@selty yeah, it's a really moving history when you look into it! I think that's why those older movies feel so painful and sad - and why they're so different from nineteenth century literature where disfigurement just signifies evil

Same. I heard "fish monster gets the girl" and came running. I was not disappointed in the slightest. Del Toro is the secret Hollywood operative us monster f***ers need.

sameeee, i totally agree with del toro's statement about beauty and the beast. we need more monster x human love story

@@mori6434 Teratophiles: We came looking for gold and found gold.

@@skullcrusade3436 finally, some good fucking food

I wish we could favorite comments bc this. This would be mine.

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 beautiful comment and so true

Especially the ejaculation scene LMAO what a wild ride and I still struggle to interpret all the meaning in that movie. But Splash, Pirates of the Carribean are two good examples.

@@selty I looked to the replies of this comment to see if I could have context as to the “weird” part. I don’t know if this counts as context, per se, but that definitely counts as…perspective.

In that movie, yeah. But 'Shape of Water' actually reminded me a lot of 'Splash' but in reverse. The mermaid also ends up hanging out in Tom Hank's bathtub, and they get chased by people who want to put her in a lab and in the end he runs away with her and learns to live under water.

Totally agree, the true monster of the movie is Strickland

Its called a mask and no normality is good

Fellow xenophile and same. It took me a long time to get around to watching it but I loved it even before I did just on principal alone. Then I watched it and fell even harder in love by how heartfelt and emotional it was. Del Toro really do be out here making our dreams come true huh?

All human beings have the nature of exclusivity to a certain degree. It is more so in the realms where people are trained to belittle individuality and simply demonize anything that is different than the norm.

It's illegal in china?

I understand how you feel!! It’s one of my favorite movies but to hear others reduce it or make fun of it( even worse, AFTER WATCHING IT) is so frustrating. But in a way that brings us closer to the movie…

@@AnaSofia-xe2wg China has a morbid and strict quota system for importing foreign films. Apart from the disgusting censorship part, the films that are allowed on the silver screens here are usually mindless ones, or at least the ones that can be camouflaged as "superficial Hollywood Blockbusters". No way in hell they can challenge the Chinese "core values" or the government.

@@AnaSofia-xe2wg This was one of the cases that were allowed in. Also a main way many Chinese people watch foreign films is pirated resources. And they really have a hard time understanding any relatively complicated movies. Most of the time they remain hateful against "western values". Considering the themes of Shape of Water and how much a "traditional" nation PRC is, it was surely condemned by most.

Jesus, did you take your meds friend?

I totally understand what you mean. I'm just glad Del Toro doesn't seem to be someone who grew up thinking that that's something applicable in real life.

Therapy appointment better be scheduled soon, my guy

That's a good point, actually! There are a lot of "romance" movies where a change of music would make it into a horror. Maybe baby Guillermo wasn't listening to the music...

As a child I watched these kinds of horror movies at late night with the TV at a very low volume, to not wake up my parents, and I think the point about the music is quite right. Once you throw the music out of the equation, most of the time these monsters stop being something to run away from, and more like misunderstood beings failing to connect with humans.

That’s an interesting point to bring up because the antagonist of the film does exactly that (lusted after Elisa because she can’t speak), and it’s definitely framed as a bad/gross thing. I personally don’t think she seems any more sexual than the average woman. She’s a regular person who masturbates and enjoys sex 🤷🏽‍♀️

@@QualityCulture Yeah, I just noticed that theme of “sexy mute woman” pops up a lot, and it’s a little alarming. To Del Toro’s credit, it’s coming from the movie’s villain.

@@cremetangerine82 This is indeed an interesting aspect. When I watched the movie I thought that it was a explicit critic. It is also obvious when Strickland has sex with his wive (about half an hour into the movie). There he covers Elaine's mouth with his hand. And he also uses his hand with the rotten finger, which makes it extra gross. And the soundtrack is really interesting: When Elisa and Fishmann have sex the music makes it clear that this is romantic. But when Strickland has sex to the sound of him banging (excuse the wording, but this seems more appropriate here) his wive transforms into the sounds of the facility. I think it was a great way to show that this is really not positive. And from Fishmann''s perspective (and also hopefully the audience) Elisa is the only person that can speak to him. But this still might worth criticizing...

Yeah, I interpreted it as a critique of the trope, and showing how the villain doesn’t truly care about the woman and her individual agency. In our society the voice is a symbol of power, so the suppression or lack of a voice is seen as a lack of power, and this may play into the villain’s focus on it

Lmao love this hot take

*ded*

your done 🤣🤣

I love your detailed description of del Toro and how his work makes you feel, you hit the nail on the head. He somehow manages to draw out beauty even in dark stories and it really speaks to our subconscious desire to connect & be vulnerable. I can’t wait for Nightmare Alley 😭

Thanks so much, I really appreciate that

Literally no one cared about Beastars but weebs, and given the mangaka is a furry, the "ew, furries" sentiment was solid. But don't act like a bunch of people were screaming about their kids over it when not even most weebs gave a shit until youtubers started doing videos about it.

@@nachgeben your inability to process anything past "muh furry shit" is pathetic

Which is weird, because the truly disturbing part of that series is the cannibalism lol

I’ve seen far more Europeans complaining about furries than Americans, but okay.

Literally nonody cares about beastars... This movie got international backlash because it was "weird. Why are you comparing an anime nobody cares about to a movie with massive reach?

I hope you continue to experience more compassion/understanding in your life

You know, I had the same reaction re: The Shape of Water winning the Best Picture Oscar. I was thinking they'd give the award to either Three Billboards or Get Out, and when they announced it was The Shape of Water, I was so surprised and ecstatic! Of course, all along I was really hoping it would win Best Picture, but I wasn't expecting it to actually win because, as you said, the other films in that category were "safer" bets. I was SO happy (and still am) that the Academy chose to give Best Picture (and Best Director) to The Shape of Water. 🙂💙🧜🏻‍♀️💦🥚🎞

It's because Thanos is just entertainment, where this movie covers some uncomfortable truths.

this movie truly is filled with just tired old tropes. as if that hasnt been seen like a billion times already.

@@KossolaxtheForesworn yeah ppl act as if the movie is something deep and meaning ful its just a cut out story except in this one a fish fucks a lady

@@toniotrussardi8126 yeah agreed the whole 'who is the real monster' thing where the 'othered' is secretly nice has been seen way too many times already -- not that it can't be done well, but I'd like something a bit more nuanced for a change sometimes I like the idea of using fantastical/surreal/monster elements to explore these themes but I think the basic version of the look beyond appearance trope has been done far too often and we desperately need more refreshing takes on this

Both sound incredibly human

@@Sevren_ yeah both sounds like what human would do, but only one sounds humane, don't you agree? Or are you confuse about humane and human?

You would probably like 'that one guillermo del toro movie' by Innuendo Studios kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ptZdeNCk0qnXgnk.html There he goes into the 'other' and the 'monster' and how it is subverted by Guillermo del Toro in his movies

Those words are fine. Don’t let the pc culture create doubt in your vocabulary

@@stephnue7790 thank you so much for sharing !

@@picklep9812 Thanks !

Glad to hear it helped in some way, hope you feel better soon ❤️

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I love that film! I think it's just not very well-known, especially because it's in Spanish