Can you imagine the US government asking Kubrick why it took 624 takes of Neil Armstrong taking his first step on the moon?

I was there and The Shining had a reputation as an epic movie and we were all terrified. Also, it made $47 million, well over the $19 mil investment, hardly a box office failure.

People seem to have trouble interpretting media sometimes. Just because there is a subtext that supports the theme doesn't mean the whole movie is secretly about that one thing. They forget to follow the metaphor through and to understand what it adds to the whole of the film. It's like a tapestry. One would be better served to ask "what does this story and the metaphor have in common?"

The Apollo 11 sweater may not be that much of a conscious choice as you think. If you think that kind of a specific sweater is weird, you probably didn't grow up in the 70s or 80s with a grandma that knits sweaters for her grandkids. I had one with a bear and one with a car on it and they looked exactly like Danny's sweater.

Steven king looks like the jim carrey grinch

Barry Lyndon was not boring. I don’t think Kubrick was bored with it either. This guy has a tendency to impose his own ideas, for what they’re worth, upon other people and things. BL is widely considered a masterpiece along with his other films. Stick to what you know, whatever that is.

I have a couple ideas about that Playgirl. Jack is a writer, so it could be that he either has an article in there or was genuinely checking it out for some kind of research purpose. Could also be that they decided on the fly that they wanted him to be reading something, for whatever reason a Playgirl was the most convenient thing at hand, and they figured that it would be far away enough and out of focus enough that no one would notice.

There is another bear everyone misses...it's at 19:42 , as Danny is riding his Big Wheel, to his right as he goes down the hall, there is a bush in the planter that looks like a bear with its paws up. To the Indian theory: In "The Outlaw Josey Wales" soldiers wore red pants and were called 'red legs', Ullman is wearing red pants. Jack is also wearing a 'red coat'. The Danny opening the pantry door makes sense because not only is Danny seeing blood, he's writing Redrum, but the girls were also killed and they tell Danny he'll be with them forever. They may have put Danny in a trance to unlock the door. Jack may not be in his full killing rage yet with Danny running off after unlocking the door (another maze foreshadowing). The Kubrick doesn't make mistakes idea is in a sense is true, he did make mistakes (helicopter shadow in the opening scene) but to think directors do not intentionally dress sets or remove items is dismissed to fit your opinion and video. Kubrick intentionally made sets for his travel reasons but also for the control he liked to have which meant a greater control of his actors, crew, everyone. Nolan for example is VERY deliberate with his sets. Chairs disappearing, the giant maze not being seen in the helicopter shot in the beginning, bear rugs, cartoon stickers are very deliberate. Wendy herself is dressed like the Goofy toy in Danny's room, guess that's another coincidence? I think not. Why does the typewriter change colors in the movie if it wasn't intentional, the paper changing colors? What about the cigarette in the ashtray? Wendy smokes, we don't ever see Jack smoking. The Marlboro pack is on the left side of the typewriter and the cigarette is as if someone was where Wendy was when Jack reprimanded her and has a very long ash as Wendy had in the therapist scene (a famous meme was made about that extra long ash). The twins were actually visiting the set and sparked Kubrick's interest in that idea so once again, thoughts about set or around the set can in a masters hand...become iconic. The Playgirl and bear imagery go hand in hand with incest as do bears in the undertones of child molestation/abduction in "Eyes Wide Shut". The blood from the elevator scene was shot in miniature and is done so well that everyone believes it is scaled to actual size. What people see is the reflections from the lights and the sets reflections that make for a weird looking figure as the blood pours out.

Dick Hallorran survived pennywise in IT. He had enough shine to be able to survive. Dick was a gunslinger.

Take another look at the Jack's Novel theory. It explains why Kubrick purposely put continuity errors - because sometimes we're watching real life Jack and sometimes we're watching his character in his book. The real Jack gets inspiration from the hotel and it's history for the character Jack and all the ghosts. It also explains the discrepancy in Grady's first name. Dismissing the theory in 30 seconds and treating it as more out there than Kubrick in the clouds is ridiculous. it's a great video in that it brings together some of the wildest theories, but as for the Jack's Novel theory, you're going to want to revise it.

2:13 This is very subjective. Especially adding in that caveat, Canon to "Kubrick's" the shining, and especially when referring to what the story meant. Specifically referring to the artist who adapted a story into a VERY different story, one that he never elaborated on, you cannot say doctor sleep is definitively Canon to Kubrick vision, as Kubrick is dead, and nobody working on that movie could possibly know what Kubrick actually intended for the story. Doctor sleep isn't a Kubrick story or a king story. It's a Flanagan story, attempting to tie the universe of Kubricks the shining with kings original novel, follwing kings novel and sequel more tightly, which was never Kubrick's original intention. It would be one thing if we were talking about a larger franchise like the mcu, one that's a grand story with many artists and only a few long running story's without much mystery or meaning, but when discussing the meaning of a singular arthouse film from 1980, calling a sequel without any of the original work's creators on board with a completely different intent almost 40 years later "canon", and suggesting that it answers anything at all, is completely disingenuous

Nice video man. Breaking the video up into segments really makes the video seem more thorough than your older breakdowns. Should definitely do more iceberg videos, i loved it.

Now, I would believe that Kubrick had some intention with continuity error to simple unnerve the audience subconsciously. No really big reason just to confuse the audience and cause them to be uncomfortable

Been waiting for this one

Need some more iceberg videos for sure 🔥

Oh great! Another Rob Ager video about the Shining.....oh

The storage door being the first physical manisfestion (potentially) of spirits is not technically true. The implication of Danny's ripped sweater is that he was assualted by the spirits. Mr. Halloran's emphatic warning to stay out of room 237 implies the potential for harm, my take has always been physical harm.

Kubrick hired a mythology scholar who helped him to hash out the original script, so ideas such as the minotaur in the labryinth may have come from her.

Thanks for making and posting. Bill Watson is one of my favourite characters but most of his lines have been cut out in the TV version. He says more during the interview in the cinema release version.

Excellent vid! I could watch hours of this stuff...😁😁👍👍

I think the whole 'jack is gay' was a reference to Jack's creepy relationship with his own father. It's implied his father molested him and that despite feeling bad for his mother when his father started randomly beating her he lost respect for her because she never stood up to him or left him even when she had the chance. In the movie they made wendy more like his mother than the strong woman in the book and i think Kubrick wanted to make jack abuse danny because he didn't want to reference Jack's father

Just as we shouldn't take all continuity errors as significant and intended by Kubrick, we shouldn't reject them all. Some are intentional, if only because the characters themselves comment on them (see tom cruise, who says: not everything is black or white, at the very moment when a black telephone appears on his bedside table, which was white before...).

What an amazing video essay!!! Subscribed!! One theory that makes just as much sense, in my opinion, as the Indigenous genocide theory is the marriage theory. It goes something like this... This is a film about marriage, about men living through the aftermath of second-wave feminism and finding it homicidally hard to do. The ghosts of generations of men in the past call to Jack to take the power back, take it with force and very toxic masculinity if you have to, but get that power back from the feminists, from African Americans, from everyone who "should" in their eyes be beneath him. White man's burden and all. Under this theory, any reference to Indigenous genocide is there to surround Jack with a cultural memory of what "real" men do, they kill, they take what's theirs and so on. The Overlook represents the isolation and pressure of the suburbs, of marriage, of expectations on a male provider to be all work and no play anymore, no drinking, no affairs, but no sex from your wife either. You're in a world where you are reduced to menial work while women (like your wife the female physician who examines Danny) have the authority to tell you you're a bad father and need to stop drinking. If you accidentally get a girl pregnant (like Jack says he did with Wendy) that's it, your stuck in an cycle of isolation and pressure that never ends and it drives men insane. And the woman in the bathtub...that's the trick of marriage in a nutshell, she's all beautiful at first but she ages, grows hideous to you (literally or just psychologically), but your stuck anyway. It's almost like a rationalization for, or perhaps just an explanation of, toxic masculinity (excuse the anachronism). Just thought I'd put this here in the off chance you happen to see it. And OMG I LOVE YOUR WORK!!! By the way, I'm a woman. I subscribe to none of this ideology, but it IS indeed an interesting and coherent theory 🙂

41:03 Danny is being strangled. We just can't see the hands doing it.

DR. Sleep is a stand alone 100%

I have spent hours looking at those clouds. Glad that it isn’t just me that can’t see it!

The Shining is my favorite horror movie. Phenomenal video dude!

My all time favorite film. And I love the fact people are still making videos on it. Isn’t this one of the most studied films in history?

I think you have it all wrong regarding Hallorann. He has the shining but it's low power with him. He can see things in the hotel but that's it. How do we know this? For one, Danny reminds himself that Hallorann told him that things in the hotel are "not real, like pictures in a book". Also, Grady tells Jack that his son is attempting to bring an outside party into it. Danny used his power to summon Hallorann. Hallorann did not have the power to ask Danny if he's alright. Finally, when Hallorann arrives at the hotel his power doesn't help him at all. He's just not anywhere near as powerful as Danny. If you see the shining ability as a power source for the ghosts, then you will understand why the level of shining ability a person has makes all the difference. So not only would the hotel not want to absorb Hallorann in particular, it wouldn't have the power to do so since Hallorann's shining is so weak.

20:50 Because Danny was always watching Road Runner outsmart Coyote every which way in the cartoons, some folks theorize that he purposely let Jack out of the pantry to lure him into the hedge maze. We don't see Danny "hiding" in the metal cart in the hallway, but bravely jumping out of it - right in front of Jack - and dashing around the corner to bait him into giving chase... right out into the cold to be trapped.

Withdrawal symptoms can be intense. Jack irrational behaviour can be contributed to that to a degree. It was shown Danny in sequel used alcohol to dull the shine. It could indicate that Jack alcoholism might be related to him having shine as well. Numbing the pain of trauma happens more than I think people are willing to admit. Trauma can be haunting until it’s properly coped with.

I hate media theories...as far they are about cartoons or straight forward/explicitly stablished stuff. So this is a breath of fresh air,given how ambiguous this movie can be

Good job 🎉❤

I really like The Shinning film. For long stretches very little happens. It’s more of an ominous atmosphere and deep feelings of unease. I think that’s why so so many people have added their own backstory and theories. It’s almost just a frame that you can hang your own print inside of. Just my theory.

This was a very good video, also you should watch Meet The Feebles, very Dark and has some huge facts around the production

lol this is in my recommend; and imma come back and watch it!

fun fact astronauts did not bring Tang to the Moon with them

the doc ROOM 237 is great, I had a great time watching it (wish I could've experienced the Forwards and Backwards _thing_ but alas) the thing is.. you just can't win with conspiracy nuts

Why don’t we just go back to the moon to put the conspiracy theories to rest?

One thing I have not seen anyone mention is the fact that Kubrick did not deem the 144min (one in video) Shining as the definitive version, rather the 119min one; which removes a handful of the scenes that back up these theories. Of course, most of these theories aren’t true at all, but knowing that this wasn’t really the “official” version just kinda backs that up.

I love the Kubrik and King versions of the Shining, as well as the original book. imo Kubrik's hedgemaze is a reference to the many references to Alice in Wonderland in the novel, and I think an argument could be made that the Playgirl is a reference to the white rabbit (could Jack be the White Rabbit, or the Mad Hatter? Cheshire grin?). The mallet in King's tv version and novel was a reference to the queen playing croquet in Wonderland, I think a really interesting theory could be made drawing parallels between Wonderland and the Overlook; of course the outfits on the twins are replications of Alice's classic white and blue dress, and the girls being twins rather than sisters of different ages (as in the novel) could be Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum. So many references to time that I think could form an interesting theory. Also, in the deleted scenes from King's TV version, Grady's hand is shown to be the one who opened the door for Jake. I know Kubrik wasn't faithful to the novel and the TV version came later, but I think Grady is the most likely to have opened the door. Great video, thanks for sharing.

The lore of how KZfaqrs censers words is great

I’m actually shitting myself over the gay theory and the way you talked about the Kubrick in the clouds theory 😂

About the door opening, and the idea the house hasnt "physically manifested" yet. What about the first drink in the Golden room? Jack drinks it, its real.

So we are doing iceberg videos now? Nice👍

We need this for eyes wide shut

The first time u watched The Shining, I knew nothing of any theories, and I was instantly enthralled. The fact it was initially, universally panned, is crazy to me. I guess the average movie, at that time, were very...different?

Surprised you didnt incude the subliminal SHONES (just youtube it), those blew my mind because you cant unhear them and theyre so obviously a looped audio track of kubrick whispering a word with the reverb cranked up, and its used tons of times in the film.

I think Kubrick's The Shining is much different than King's and i wouldn't consider any sequel done without his say so to be canon. That world was Kubrick's teams vision and it was crafted for that one film, and a later hollywood sequel only serves to tarnish it's mystique in my opinion My two cents anyway

Yes, because explaining shit makes everything more interesting and spooky. So did Dr. Sleep explain how the shining is actually midichlorians in Danny's blood stream? Sounds like a great idea for a movie.

Pretty sure I was told there is a hotel in Yosemite that inspired the carpet design and you can still go see the original carpeting in the hotel.

I dunno, it sure seems sus that 2001: A Space Odyssey WASN'T an exploration for "faking the moon landing" ...

39:02 The Torrence’s car was red in the book, Kubrick way of differentiating between the movie and book

I always figured that wendys hallucinations was her way of using the shine. Like not actually using it but just having it there

The homosexual theory could explain why the summer caretaker is staring at Jack with such disdain. There really is no reason for Jack to be looking at a Playgirl magazine, even if for some reason it was just left in the lobby, it would have been uncommon at the time for someone to be openly homosexual. Partaking in light pornography in public is not socially acceptable, whether hetero or homo, and would be a very odd thing to do at a job interview. There probably is something to be read into with that choice of prop. 21:15 The spirits also physically interact with Danny when he gets bruised in room 237.

they found a second door in the pantry 21:59 u can see the doorframe behind the shelves, someone found it at the beggining of the film during the tour the get out from that door.

Oh and on the why did the house leave Halloran alone? Well, in the bathroom scene the house, even though Halloran has worked there for years, is only refered too as a racial slur. Given the make up of the party crowd in the Golden room, maybe the house was racist?

I see Kubrick's entire head. To the left of the first shot before you zoomed in. I couldn't see it when you superimposed the images. And I couldn't see it on the zoom in. But from The wider shot yes. To the bottom and to the left. BTW, I like the Wendy Theroy. Been way down the rabbit hole on that one over the last few years.

I think Kubrick heard the conspiracy theories and bought into it to boost his mystique and ego!

My theory is that it's an adaptation of King's novel. So that if you watch it, you get to find out what happens in the book, without the arseache of having to read it, and picture it in your own head.

Dopey theory is interesting

I see it!

21:12 you say "but other than this one instance we haven't seen any evidence that the spirits can interact with the world". WRONG!!! We clearly see Jack interacting (kissing and touching) physically with the lady in the bathtub.

32:45 Honestly, i can see a face there. It's smaller than when you put his face there. I also won't say it's purpeseful and it's too vague to really look like any perso (Kubrick) in particular. This is probably just us humans natural inclination of seeing faces in things.

Honestly you should read Dr Sleep, the movie doesn't do the book any justice.

Danny Larson: "The hotel tried to kill me! The hotel tried to kill me! The hotel tried to kill me!"

I counted 43 vehicles, theres some kind of truck near the lone tree on the right. in the back near the building

15:05 Oh god jumpscare Vincent D'Onofrio. WHEN I WAS A BOY

9:05 also if you make the word moon, where does the r go? Or what about room and the n? You can’t just get rid of letters!

Some compelling theories. If none are true they're at least fun and entertaining

Very curious to see how this is gonna turn out.

Im glad you point out that Kubrick was a human and capable of error. We tend to mythologize our heros, and he is legendary. But he's still fully capable of screwing up.

There 's also something about reading too much into it. Some theories ok but too much is too much

The windy theory can be explained by Kubrick making Shelley Duvall do her scean over and over again. That can lead to more continuity errors with her specially.

At exactly 44:00 I can see him in the clouds, clear as day!!! I couldn't see it the first time!!! I'll draw it out and email it to you

I think the overlook kills people who have the shining in some way. Like the building is evil and 'eating' people.

There's some important information missing regarding the moon landing theory. Though I don't remember the name of the documentary, it shows how the moon landing footage may have used similar spacial tricks and set design as 2001. It went and showed side by side images and video. So there's important information not here. Though it is understandable as it might be out of the realm of this video.

Thats probably an average. At its farthest the moon is 252,088 miles, at its closest, the moon is 225,623 miles.

Loved the video, thanks for making it! One quick note, take it or leave it. You don't have to explain why you don't believe in this theory or that theory. It distracts from the purpose of these iceberg videos, which is exploring perspectives and theories. Just present whatever evidence exists and move on. The editorial comments takes you out of the flow of trying to get into the headspace of the people who have come up with these (often insane) theories. Thanks again!

Whats missing from abbey rd?

12:17 Look at the eagle over the name...

Doctor Sleep is a great movie actually. Surprisingly good!

Dr Sleep is only cannon to the book. Pretty sure Spielberg and Kubrick agree the movie is not the book

I think the Playgirl connection is too on the nose. Definitely just a cheeky, rare gag and nod to the source material. Cooking with gas about him being sexually curious though. I believe it represents less forelorned homosexual desires on Jack’s part, but something more fluid; curiosity of what the other side could be like. Almost playful with the idea almost simply because he grows to despise his wife - a resentment he likely always carried to a certain extent rapidly exacerbated by instigating spirits. Maybe Kubrick is a prophet and predicted that men will become so misogynistic and red pilled that they’ll start finding women ugly and admiring men…but now I’m just yapping

15:06 -- ??? Full Metal Jacket was released in 1987.

Theres a suggestion that all Kubrick cared about was filming and the actors hitting their lines. This isnt true. Kubrick was incredibly aware and involved with set design.

I like the Wendy theory

If you look real closley at the playgirl u can see the cover has an article about "incest parents sleeping with their own children" maybe jack did more than just hurt danny physically ❤ love how u brought that out.... They say the easisest way to hide something from someome is to put it in plain sight

Regarding the faked moon landing,Id suggest people read Dave McGowan's "Wagging The Moon Doggie". He completely dismantles any credibility of that event

Something people who arent even into conspiracies point out how much Barry Nelson is a dead ringer for JFK . Why include that in the film? Seems so random but specific. I always figured Watson was the "real" owner of the Hotel, like youre being interviewed by the boss but hes the one whos really deciding the interview. Which has some interesting connotations about the president/JFK.

last couple of years? cmon dude

This is practically copy and pasting Room 237…

I see the eggman from sonic in the clouds does that count

I can see him...

...its all about archetypes..

I lowkey see a face in the clouds just not at the place you imposed him on

just cause you asked...i see the clouds.

Deniers is why AI is frightening

The hitchhikers guide to the galaxy? 42?

I can believe that Danny Lloyd grew up to be Ewan McGregor… …but Cortland Mead as Danny Torrance was the absolute worst casting choice of any movie ever filmed (albeit a made-for-tv mini series, my statement stands).