Yes they can get that level of fulfillment using long line but there's the associated and unnecessary danger of entanglement and chocking with long leads and collars on large acreage that e-collars eliminate. e-collars are more effective, safer and sensible than long leads. Although long leads are effective, mostly safe and are sensible, modern scientific technology has expanded the training effectiveness, safety, and sensibility and range of long lead training. It's correct that you say "e collars are keeping them out of trouble and safe while allowing them an enormous level of freedom."

@@cfogle100 I am in agreement with your statement on long lines being a danger in this situation. I personally would not use them in this situation either.

@@cfogle100 Spot on - risk of injury is so real. After having a dog with a permanent chest injury from a long line getting caught on a tree stump, and after me having a rather gnarly scar from the line accidentally tangling with my ankle on a dog fetching a ball... I moved to an e-collar and never looked back.

​@@cfogle100I don't see how those dogs would have been able to get that level of freedom if they were on a long line. They wouldn't have the same amount of freedom. Care to elaborate?

@@cfogle100A dog that is completely free is different than a dog on a line. They have the ability to make choices good and bad. That’s why dogs are more relaxed off leash. Dogs on a leash do not have the ability to fight or flight. They can only fight.

I am one of those people who never took the opportunity to learn the benefits of an e-collar. From listening to Ivan’s podcasts my mind was changed. Couple this with my first very high energy dog with a terrible recall. And had to use an e-collar. I am now a believer in the benefits of an ecollar when used correctly

Well it’s not! And hundreds of trainers don’t use or need to.

​@@xGHOSTHAWKxand hundreds of dogs DO NEED IT. Ivan said it, if there's an other way, just prove it. 😉

@@xGHOSTHAWKx I guess people like you and trainers like you think it’s much more humane to jerk a dog around by a flat collar or slip lead. I’ve seen more damage done to a dog by inexperienced people who think they know what they are doing with simple tools than I have ever seem with an E collar. At some point the stupidity has to stop. Ivan is a proven expert and a great trainer. You would be wise to follow his methods and see the improvement in your dogs

@@xGHOSTHAWKx hundreds of trainers who don’t use it also give up on dogs with prey drive and aggression! Their methods are not safe for the dog or their owners.

Which state has outlawed e collars as I love over seas and did not know this was happening in the states.

@@hawkeye98 not a state in the US. I am in Australia.

Couldn’t agree more. I have two Malinois one personal protection and one French Ring. I walk them both in my neighborhood with e collars. I actually had an HOA lady (funny side note, her name is actually KAREN) reported me to the police for animal abuse.

Best comment! I concur!

My adopted dog, probably 7yrs old, I had for 1 year unable to let him do what he had always done...catch squirrels and rabbits or trying to attack coyotes. He caught rodents on 10 ft leash, even. He had been allowed to run wild until he returned exhausted, but had been lost more than once and had some kind of traffic incident where he had become terrified of vehicles. I helped him cure himself of the terror in one lesson by stopping his predictions through walking in star-pattern until he was mentally exhausted and he walked right onto on a very busy road sidewalk and his terror was over then. Still I could not trust him when he was in the woods because he would be gone until he decided to return. I used food reward and praise for easy recalls but that never would work not when a wild animal chase began. Then I heard one word that changed everything > "existential". Make it existential. So I withheld food one day and stopped feeding him at home. The next day he was noticeably changed on our first walk in the park and I let him go free with many fast recalls for a little food all through our walk. By the way, electric collar on, in case something went wrong. He had been accustomed to it and how to turn it off. Everything changed when food came only through listening to recall and electric collar if he did not respond due to prey drive. Now he can fly through the woods and he can be trusted to not disappear. One whole year and then a one-day breakthrough from feeding change and back up with ecollar. He has freedom back and it's my freedom back too. I hated having him only on leash because he's a super runner who can fly over or through the broken branches. Could not do it without ecollar and him understanding that the feeding came through cooperation. Not about treats any more. A different dog, a happier dog resulted.

What what your correction level on the e collar? My dog is still testing me

@@lilpap974 First I taught him how to turn it off - by obedience to a commands that he knew well, at high enough level to bother him if he refused, and immediate turn off when he began to obey. I know that Ivan does not use that method, but I'm of low skill level. When he was excited in prey drive and staring at a squirrel, I'd call him, give him a half second to show any response, then if ignored, full power for a split second. Full power on my $45 collar might be a lot less than full power on an expensive unit. I have nothing to compare to, except I sure wouldn't want it. Also, it depends on fur and sensitivity of dog and probably charge level of battery. You know it's not enough or not in good contact if he ignores it. When in a hunting mood with prey in sight it's different than when sitting at home. Naturally the dog must know the command very well or never use the collar like that. It freed him and me and he's VISIBLY a happier dog to have a lot of autonomy outside in the woods running about like he wants to. It was that or he would be doomed to boring walks and lack of real exercise and being tired out. Now that I've let him chase so long as he returned when called, he is testing the boundary, so I'm undecided on whether or not to let him continue to chase within my vicinity. Tired dog is good dog, so I am very tempted to keep allowing him limited chase range so long as he returns well when called. He's testing now though.

Very well said!!!

As the owner of a rescued Spanish galgo: THIS☝🏽

Really? That's so sad 😢 they are still legal in most countries in Europe, I thought it was only France and some parts of the UK? Its not banned in Ireland today but we'll see. It'll probably just be a matter of time ⏲️ 🙄

Thank you for the input! Cannot agree more

Thanks

Thank you

I would argue that force free methods are 'perfect' for mental stimulation. A lot of dogs get mentally stimulated by free shaping which most of the time causes frustration on the dog because they have to figure out how to get the reinforcement, they feel pressure and that pressure is turned off by them once they've solved the problem (negative reinforcement)

I use one too when walking with my highly reactive prey driven GSD

I agree