No "heavy" songs on Diorama? Apparently, they skipped One Way Mule. That song is heavy af.

It would have been cool if they had released both records together as a double album. It would have helped ease us into the new sound.

If Johns hadn't erased that and put Diorama together with that album, we'd have a Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness (Smashing Pumpkins album) 2.0

I am indescribably appreciative upon recently discovering Silverchair and im studying them in depth in my own musical journey. They are so creative. No better teacher or example in my opinion

I heard about this before. It really kills me cause Neon Ballroom is my favourite album.

As much as I LOVE early Silverchair (my favorite band of all time), seeing the refreshing change of direction that they went, where they chose uplifting catharsis over harnessing pain was so powerful. He chose rebirth over conformity, and fought for what he knew he could trust, not what the world was saying to do. The evolution and maturity that you hear in the journey from Frogstomp to Young Modern is just remarkable. There is literally one album for every type of person out there, and if you're like me who's mood fluctuates a lot, there's ALWAYS a Silverchair song you can find that will fit. Prior to the podcast, I never even knew about how he scrapped an album, and I thought I knew everything. As much as it would've been marvelous to hear them go hard just one last time, I'm so glad he didn't. I think it would've eaten him alive, as his mental health was already just recovering from a very delicate state. I'm more than happy with what Diorama came to be, it's truly its own sonic theatrical experience. Daniel Johns as a songwriter & composer is truly OTHER WORLDLY. His love with the art of music itself always shows, whether it's Grunge, Baroque Rock, Orchestral, or Electronica. It's 100% possible to love ALL the phases of Silverchair, & I wouldn't have it any other way! 😭🌟💖🔥🎶

You don't need to be backed Into any corner. You can make albums that sound completely different from eachother. No two albums need to sound the same.

I really wish he didn’t delete it

Diorama is heavenly!! Anybody that bashes it & dismisses it as "garbage" are the same boring ppl that are incapable of listening or receiving with an open mind & also the same ppl that just wanted nothing more than Frogstomp 4.0 🙄

Diorama is an absolute masterpiece. I’m glad he deleted it and created Diorama. Incredible stuff

Too bad he didn't shelve it instead, and release it now, would be better than anything today.

i kind of dont believe this story of erased album. sure he might had some demos that were similiar to previous record that he deleted, but i dont believe that he had "finished" album (meaning songs that chris and ben also already arranged) that he deleted , and siliverchair menagment team allowed it like that if he really worked it on 18months. they would have for sure some rights to it or at least some demos locked , but u never hear anything about that "deleted album" from anybody else but daniel. I really like the dude, especially in that era, but to me he sounds now like he is trying to create some kind of mythology to his progression path, that would allow him to benefit from his acomplishments and the huge amount of nostalgia his fanbase have twords him

Been listening for 25 years. I'll still be listening in 25 years. A bit sad when he said he thinks of his relationship with Ben & Chris like a divorce.

I absolutely love Diorama but DAAAAAMN that would have been great to hear a whole album of heavy stuff, seems like such a shame

I'm 43 at the time of posting and I've listened to Silverchair since I was 16 which is as soon as they became famous. Every album has its own special meaning for me depending on my mood. Diorama is the one album that I still play from start to finish where I tend to shuffle the entire Silverchair, Dissociatives and Daniel Johns playlist if not. (I can't seem to find the songs that he did separately with Paul mac anywhere at the moment) I love his new stuff and also the dreams album, dissociative album...everything Daniel does means something to me. It's almost like Daniel was created to entertain me. It would have loved to hear this album and it wouldn't have fixed me on him being better at one music type over others. He's a genius! It's quite obvious. I'm so happy hearing that Daniel is creating music for himself because this is why he has been so successful. I honestly love you man x

Dioramas one of my favorite albums ever but I'll forever question that deleted album

If Daniel not deleting that album means Diorama never gets made I’m thankful he did. Maybe that deleted album woulda been amazing, it’s Silverchair of course it woulda been, but I know what Diorama is and I wouldn’t want to risk it

If he made that album Diorama would not exist today and it is my favorite album.

And what a horrific mistake he made. That was when Daniel’s Lucifer-like fall from grace occurred. I once worshipped Silverchair and fiercely defended them against ANY haters…until Daniel left me no choice but to become one of those haters myself. DIORAMA was the dying gasps of the once flawless band I loved, before being brutally murdered in the follow-up musical massacre. It baffles me how a musician as fantastic as he was, could go from composing and releasing three albums of the most amazing and most beloved music I have ever heard (plus a pretty solid 4th album) to then vomiting up some of the most repulsive, melodically unpleasant excuses of “music” I have ever had the displeasure of enduring, ever since. YOUNG MODERN broke me. I now have a primal, seething hatred for that abomination. It is far easier for my heart to convince myself that he died after releasing DIORAMA (which did still have some good material on it) rather than face the far more tragic truth. YM was its own irredeemable genre that I officially dubbed “Twinkledink Glitterfunk” and I hate every second of it! Their other albums each got hundreds, if not thousands of plays from me. Yet (to date) I have only managed to stomach YM about 5 times total. And the God awful solo defecations he pumps out now is like hearing a Hellspawn amalgamation of Tiny Tim, Bjork, Primus, David Bowie and Justin Timberlake if they all got lethally drunk and recorded…..”sounds”(?!?) together. I just hate it all so damn much! If I could travel back in time, I would go back to just before he tragically hit the “Delete” button on the “unreleased” album and knock that dude out to keep him from making the most terrible mistake in rock music lore and hopefully prevent (or at very least delay) the impending nightmare that was going to happen because of it.

And look at that, Diorama is my favorite Silverchair album. Would be cool to hear those deleted songs though.

I was(and I`m still) pretty devastated because of this delete...😒😐People are saying if he hadn`t it deleted it Diorama wouldn`t had appear,but i think he could release two albums-Diorama as an official album and that 2 hours hard stuff album he could release as,for example internet album on official SilverChair page,as free gift for fans who,I`m shure will really appreciate it.Releasing that stuff doesn`t mean `no Diorama` 😀We should also remember that 2 hours stuff(it was material for....even 2 albums ! )it`s only a Daniel`s demos,without Ben and Chris.

Can't have a heavy raw silverchair album, that would be too awesome

Man I came across your channel about a year ago and can I just say how great your content is keep it up bro 😜

I remember being so Excited and intrigued when I put diarama in the day it came out. The greatest view came on and I was like Woah! I respected them so much I gave the new music a chance And it grew on me. Years later it’s a masterpiece to me

Daniel was not silverchair - what did the others in the band think of it? There are 3 guys in my band, I record all of the songs, imagine if I deleted an album's worth of it as if I were the only one in the band? I could, but I wouldn't.

one way mule and the lever is silverchair style. I like Daniel’s work. he’s an artist can’t please everyone

Damn. I’d love to have heard that album.

That's great to know. Maybe he didn't delete but gave it to somebody he could trust not to give it back....... Hopefully soon we'll get to hear it

They could have at least shelved it. Deleting it is like destroying art.

I loved diorama like any fan did but … I would have loved to hear that heavy rock album he trashed - and let the fans decide

Would have been awesome to hear that, I remember when i heard him talk about this the first time many years ago and thinking the same thing because i do enjoy the heavier stuff a bit more. and the mix that was on neon ballroom was really dope. daniel was very good at emoting all that pain in his music. He could articulate everything very well. I actually met a good friend of mine in austria ( im from ny originally) in a silverchair chat room in 99. by 2008 i was living in austria in his band. after 2011 or so we had a falling out. I think there is still a big misunderstanding to this day. thats a bummer. there was a special connection with him but for some reason he didnt value it the same way after a point. I was lost in pain for a long time. i could still go back to that. i understand the same feelings daniel has about music and the fear of making new music. eh theres too much to say. i never even got started because there was always too much pain to do what i loved most its too complicated.

Freak Show is my favorite.

Diorama is legendary! Proves what happens when record company business turds the are put in charge of artists

As much as I think I would have like that deleted record better, I really respect Daniel for making this decision in the aspect of doing what he wanted as a musician and not just doing things to make others happy instead of himself.

Too bad, I didnt like the direction they went 🤷‍♂️ His band his choice.

I suspect the tracks One Way Mule and The Lever are reworked from the deleted album. This is 100% speculation, but they fit the sound he describes and don't really match the rest of Diorama.

Silverchair's Pet Sounds

Diorama is one of the best albums ever made. I have no problem with him deleting the ideas for a heavier album, musicians make music all the time, there's only room for 10-12 songs on a record, no biggie.

I don’t wanna listen to Daniel John’s unless it’s Silverchair related music

Really do enjoy your content. Great channel man.

Newspapers and Magazines draw lines with labels. Grunge is rock ! My take after buying Frogstomp back in 95 was Silverchair had a fresh chunkier sound unlike Nirvana or Pearljam.Great vid ! Been checking out your content ,off and on , not sure why I haven't subscribed until now .

I just need this album of the hardest metal he could produce. I love silverchair become less famous sadly but I feel more people are learning about them that around my age. Just to think what would’ve come.

Neon Ballroom was released in 1999 and Diorama was released in early 2002, so when was Diorama actually recorded? And when was the Kyuss influenced album recorded?

I never want to live in a world without Diorama

I would bet $ the recordings exist somewhere. When recording to tape via a console, you generally have the initial tape, then the bounce down to buss tape, stereo buss mixes etc.

Hopefully there is a copy somewhere

When he hit the delete button on that tape, he deleted his younger self in lew of some supposed person he would become. Well, he became a sad sorry immitation of a person manipulated instead by mass culture, he got manipulated either way. We got a great album out of it, but ultimately also the death of the band entirely because he went too far down the pop rabbit hole and turned into literally his teenage selfs worst nightmare, a camp, deranged person with no observable tact or taste anymore. Basically started making Millenial Whoop music. Like an alcoholic blaming their troubles on the substance and not themselves. What he should've done was simply release both albums at the same time as a double disc of entirely different records. "Diorama" as a name would've worked perfectly for something containing a myriad of sounds. He could've called Disc 1: Past and Disc 2: Future. OR, release the metal one only online for the pirates (this is 2002 btw, peak piracy/internet culture) and had truly something worth talking about. Daniel, you fucked up. Instead of making just Diorama, you could have had Diorama truly be a reflective work of who you were and who you were going to be. It'd have been a true resolution, which you clearly never got. You also would've been able to trick all the Limp Bizkit people into listening to all of the music, the heavy and the baroque.

I would love to hear the heavy stuff ugh 😩 he could have just had another recording ugh noooooooo why I’m so mad this shit is lost in time 😭 they could have done a double album. I’m gonna lose a bit of sleep over this. I can’t imagine deleting music I’ve written. He could have done both I feel like deleting it is to extreme.

Every single album is leading up to diorama.

I NEVER delete any of my recordings!! All of them including all jams and solo by myself ideas are saved in multiple sources. I doubt the label allowed him 100% control to delete the 8 songs, there are copies somewhere. They most likely signed a contract to not release the copies or something. I do wonder how long that clause is though? If it is a lifetime that,is a 70 year clause so most of us who were in our 20s back then would be in our 90s or older when those songs are released, if not leaked!

If you want to know what the deleted record would’ve sounded like, throw on One Way Mule. That’s the only track that’s survived erasure.

Loved it all but would love to hear the heavy album. His music style after silverchair wellll no comment.

In my opinion,Silverchair had a tough time brushing off the Nirvana influence on the First and Second album.Maybe thats why he deleted it after Neon Ballroom.

Hollywood is one of those lost 8 songs.

One Way Mule=HEAVY

One way mule is the only song I like from Diorama

My opinion, keep the hard album on the back burner release the diorama album and see what happens you can always release the hard album afterwards

It's weird hearing people from overseas talk about silverchair... especially the post 90's era. down here everything they ever did was successful.

I’ll never get over the loss of this gift from the world in saying that Diorama is a masterpiece that will be treasured for eons. 💙

Diorama is interesting. In some ways it reminds me of some Nolan movies like Tenet where the idea and production is amazing and gets better with more time but something is off from making it a classic. I give them an A for the general concept but execution was still a bit of a misfire overall. The only country it sold well was Australia which is because Silverchair can release anything there and it does well. But the markets that Silverchair had a lot of success in before like America, Canada the Atlantic record executives were correct in that it didn't sell. Even looking over the critics again no one was raving about it. It wasn't getting bad reviews but mostly 3-4 stars out of 5 type of album meaning it was good but it felt like it was missing something.

Oh well big mistake Daniel. It’s why people say never throw out photographs.

that deleted album I think it was being made in 2001 . During a video of them recording demos there is a part of a song which is kinda heavy

Also, as a musician myself. it annoys me to no end that common music "fans" don't want a band/artist to explore new territory and show any form of growth/maturity. a true music fan would understand this. Look at a band like Queen, for instance. They released a full-on "club music" album (see Hot Space). Did it fail? absolutely. Even the band wishes they could delete it out of existence, but I respect them for trying something new which is why I still love them to this day. Not every album has to be a certified "banger". Also, being a musician, playing the same style of music and not exploring other musicial landscapes gets tedious and boring. Would a Kyuss-inspired Silverchair album been awesome? Maybe, maybe not. We'll never know. I completely understand where Daniel Johns is coming from though on scrapping an idea completely and trying something different. It's how us musicians grow and become better artists. I wouldn't have cared if he wanted to release an album of covers of show tunes, at least he gave it his best shot and it shows me that he is doing what he wants to do, even if the "fans" don't like it. Also, these days, you don't really need a big record label. Sure, it's extremely hard to self-promote yourself without major label backing but, there have been many bands that I'm personally a fan of that had major label backing that received pretty much no promotion from that label whatsoever and have been relegated to complete obscurity because the label execs (who typically have zero understanding of what people actually want to hear) don't think that release is commercially viable (which translates to...won't make those execs a fat stack of cash. As for the thing about a major label shelving an album, that happens all the time and us fans don't get to hear what could've/should've been until the artist/the main musical force in a band dies.

It would've destroyed him. Fragile dude at the time. I'm older so I loved the growth. Prior to that there was too much PJ Nirvana AIC worship going on.

He waited till Tomorrow

Happy to have kyuss and qotsa and silverchair on my list.

I think frogstomp was them growing up and the new albums are them still young.. then I realise it's the other way round

The music might have been deleted, but the light that bounced off him and everything else during the recording is still out there in the universe travellng, and perhaps one day in the far future when we can captuer light somehow, recombine it and watch movies of old times as they really happened. but with no audio? that would kind of suck, im sure they'll find a way for audio too

I want the other album too

Diorama: In my opinion, the best Silverchair's album.

Personally I didn't really Silverchair much after Freak Show. But that album he deleted might have been ripping off Kyuss too much.

Is that Lars Ulrich talking?🤔😂✌️✌️

Errrrr PAUL MAC ????

Kyussrama

He ruined the band.

Both sad and happy… Sad because musically it was the worst silverchair project but happy because he went to a place that HE wanted.

He erased the 1st neon ballroom then remade that album. Not Diorama.

daniel johns is so dope!

I mean, that dude could barley stand on straight lines or something idk

@danieljohns please back to grunge for old fans, don't be ego... go trow it the paul mac on you're brain please..🥺

he shoulda released it

nice

Yeah you should do what the fans want sometimes.. We made you rich remember. You went from hero to zero with your artistic journey

Glad it wasnt a heavy album cause im not a huge fan of Freakshow. Diaroma is a musical masterpiece.

Never realised how pretentious he is

Not sure if he weird, wired or wacked...... shame.....

maybe this time he realized he's only making crappy pop commercial music since 15 years

Boy influenced by Kyuss! It will probably kick ass, I mean, people blame themselves for like, if they don't like Diorama is because they don't want him to grow up... But I really don't indentify myself with his soft moanings with cotton ideas and care bear riffs, and last thing... Let's remember that he was listening to Kyuss and not Coldplay right!? so why he expected for us hooligans to like that soft heart full of feelings thing... Nice video bro, loughing stoned as I write this and hope you get some Loughs too! But it's what I think anyway By the way he could grow up to a sludge stoner mother fucker guy too!

I don't believe shit like that. I'll bet he kept some tracks and Diorama is heavy just different heavy. He's quite the genius though.

it's good the album was erased because we got Diorama instead... but Daniel's is the full fruitcake these days.... his latest release is best described as bizarre... sadly, he left Ben and Chris and went off on a drug and alcohol fuelled tangent for years... it's unlikely he'll ever make a recovery.

byłoby świetnie posłuchać usunięty album

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Na I don’t like the campchair after first three albums.

Diorama - Greatest Australian album of all time

He's a bit of an emo eh

so daniel wants to put a new album out but never wants to tour or do them live as that's not his thing, lol. so in other words he just want to put it out and sit back and watch the money roll in, haha.... 90s grunge at its finest. it better be a good album with good songs that people like if that's what he think's before it's released lol.... ; )

He should've stuck with the heavier sound because that album was complete trash

Get back to the Grung/🎸

I don’t like piano playing and I don’t like chorus music or choirs in peoples music I like rock music not gay music

He wrote utter crap after that