The Smashing Pumpkins: Whatever Happened To D'Arcy Wretzky?

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Whatever happened to The Smashing Pumpkins bassist D'Arcy Wretzky?
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Growing up in Michigan, D’Arcy Wretzky would be the middle child of three sisters gravitating towards punk and post-punk music.
.Wretzky would tell Addiced to Noise about her upbringing “My mother always played music when I was growing up. We always listened to the radio. My mom played instruments and myself and my sisters were always encouraged to play instruments. I played classical violin for about 9 or 10 years. And oboe ] and I was in choir and everything. It was just always a part of my life. I've done so many different things. I have done a lot.”
In high school she played in a handful of cover bands before moving across the pond to France to join a band that had already disbanded by the time she was set to join. She would head to Chicago with little more than her bass guitar and move in with her sister, join a band and a few months later meet the Billy Corgan who changed her life.
Corgan would come across Wretzky when the frontman was 20 and it was initially an argument over the pair attending the same rock concert that saw Corgan criticizing the band that performed that night. Corgan’s first words to the bassist being and i quote "You're full of expletive"). According to rolling stone . Despite getting off on the wrong foot Corgan and Wretzky shared similar tastes in music with her telling the Flint Journal "I listened to his tapes from the band he was into prior (to the Pumpkins) and I really liked the music they were doing. I wanted to be doing it, too. I loved it."
Despite musically being on the same page, there personalities clashed right off the start with Corgan telling Spin magazine
Well, when I was 20 and met D'Arcy, my whole thing was A, music, music, music, 24-7. And I couldn't understand why D'Arcy wasn't music, music, music, 24-7. D'Arcy was like, "I have to have a life. It can't be that way." And at the time I couldn't respect that.”
The band would round out their lineup with guitarist James I’Ha and drummer Jimmy Chamberlin. The band would release their first album Gish in 1991. It was during the making of the album and tour that I’Ha and Wretzky became romantically involved and subsequently broke up.. I’ha would tell rolling stone “It was really bad,”. “All the normal stuff that would happen between a boyfriend and girlfriend who had broken up after a long time was happening, only we were stuck together. Under normal circumstances we probably would have said…, I’ll never see you again,’ but since we were forced to be together, we eventually got over it. I still feel pretty close to her.” Wretzky would marry Catherine drummer Kerry Brown in 1993. w. They formed Scratchie Records, which has released singles by the Chainsaw Kittens and others.The band’s sophomore record 1993’s Siamese Dream made the band superstars, but with the new found fame came its own set of problems.
Corgan’s controlling style would lead to tensions within the group as he would play most of the guitar and bass parts on the band’s first two albums albums as Wretzky would contend that corgan did this since he could nail the tracks in fewer takes. Adding to the tension was Corgan’s openness to discussing the band’s problems out in the open with him telling SPin in 1993 about playing the guitar and bass parts “I gave them a year and a half to prepare for this record ... yet they continue to keep failing me."Add Jimmy Chamberlin’s substance abuse issues and the band was a powder keg, ready to explode.
During a 1994 piece on the band, Rolling Stone would interview the whole band including Wretzky and the bassist who always seemed press shy was no different hiding her attitude towards Corgan telling the publication My mom always told me,” “if you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say anything at all.” The publication would go o

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@lichtfilme
@lichtfilme Жыл бұрын
Man i was so in love with d’arcy in the Siamese dream era
@haletosis1380
@haletosis1380 Жыл бұрын
Same. Had such a crush on her. Always wondered what happened to her
@blackphillip8486
@blackphillip8486 Жыл бұрын
She was always so hot.
@ralphtarr5931
@ralphtarr5931 Жыл бұрын
Oh ME TOO 😎 Such a classic beauty and I am always attracted to female musicians.... I'm a drummer and as you know that can cause problems 8n a band 😁
@gsxerwhite
@gsxerwhite Жыл бұрын
@@ralphtarr5931 haha in my early 20’s my band found this dime piece with a pretty decent voice to sing back ups on a few tunes and the plan was we’d pass her around the band (hey we were all like 21) and then, one day shortly after we all agreed, she just happens to end up the lead singers girlfriend lol. Shoulda saw that coming. Oh well they ended up married with kids happily ever after. I still kinda feel like he betrayed us lol
@jeremyturner745
@jeremyturner745 Жыл бұрын
Me too
@vanmelum
@vanmelum Жыл бұрын
I wash D'Arcy's car as I own a mobile car wash and detail business "We Dry Harder." She's always been the sweetest to me. One time she played the bassline to Bullet With Butterfly Wings just by herself, acoustic, in the driveway. I was amazed.
@BPH55
@BPH55 5 ай бұрын
D’Arcy still drops into my donut shop, “Donut You Want One?”, every now and then. She is always so kind to my staff.
@nuzh1981
@nuzh1981 4 ай бұрын
My first concert was Hennipen Ave Block Party in 1998 downtown MPLS, 70,000 people packed in a empty parking lot with Smashing Pumpkins playing, remembering that night still gives me chills.
@stevebanning902
@stevebanning902 4 ай бұрын
Yeah darcy comes into my tractor supply shop called "Sneeds, feed and seed - formerly chucks". Very kind and thoughtful, although did seem to pick up a lot of fertilizer for some reason - weird!!
@icankillbugs
@icankillbugs 3 ай бұрын
She comes by the brewery I illegally operate out of my garage. She's a big fan of my Cumin Cider.
@gpwildcat77
@gpwildcat77 3 ай бұрын
​@@stevebanning902every now and then she'll pop into my buddy's plus sized men's store, "Big Guy? For You!" and is always a sweetheart
@MrsBlaileen1
@MrsBlaileen1 Жыл бұрын
That original lineup couldn’t be beat. Saw them on the Mellon Collie tour and it’s still one of the best shows I’ve ever seen. Didn’t hurt that Garbage opened for them, at their peak.
@highnote8094
@highnote8094 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, the original group just filled the room with a certain kind of energy. Saw them in Chicago with Gish and then in Michigan with Siamese Dream, can't say which was better. They were just unbelievable.
@MrsBlaileen1
@MrsBlaileen1 Жыл бұрын
@@highnote8094 Energy is right! They all complemented each other so well, off stage dynamics notwithstanding. Very unfortunate they couldn’t all stay together for the long haul.
@taipeitaiwan10
@taipeitaiwan10 Жыл бұрын
I’ll never forget the free concert in downtown Minneapolis that they played in ‘98. Had to be like 100k people
@EM-ol6rb
@EM-ol6rb Жыл бұрын
That Butch Vig connection 😂😮😮😮
@MrsBlaileen1
@MrsBlaileen1 Жыл бұрын
@@EM-ol6rb Amen amen…
@thomassimmons1950
@thomassimmons1950 Жыл бұрын
I worked with Darcy in a small coffee shop, off Clark in Chicago, in the late 80's. She always seemed like a genuine, sweet kid. Fame is a helluva drug. I wish her well. Nothing but fond memories of the Lass!
@luiz7607
@luiz7607 Жыл бұрын
Wow, that must have been an amazing experience
@thomassimmons1950
@thomassimmons1950 Жыл бұрын
@@luiz7607 It was a bit of magic time for all of us. Cheers, mate !
@susiex6669
@susiex6669 Жыл бұрын
Thak you for saying something nice about Darcy. Too many people are quick to be dismisive and mean.
@thomassimmons1950
@thomassimmons1950 Жыл бұрын
@@susiex6669 The last few years have taught me that most people are idiots. Hold on to the good ones. They are more precious than diamonds !
@Motownisyourtown
@Motownisyourtown Жыл бұрын
@@luiz7607 Why? At the time he was probably just working with some young woman, she wasn’t a rock star or anyone significant. It’s only in retrospect that it’s interesting.
@petestutti3731
@petestutti3731 8 ай бұрын
As a 16 yr old Dutch exchange student in Ohio USA in 1996 my host family took me to my first ever concert. We travelled all the way to Fort Wayne, Indiana to see two bands whom I never heard of before: Garbage and the Smashing Pumpkins!! That night became a core memory. We were front stage and I was feet away from D'Arcy and was hypnotized by her presence and aura. Ever since Ive been a massive fan of the band and a concert junky in general. Thanks Faulk family from Ohio for introducing me to punk rock and live concert!!🤘
@YodaZemunski
@YodaZemunski 7 ай бұрын
Awesome story!
@sd5458
@sd5458 7 ай бұрын
That's awesome. I'm glad you got to have that experience!
@blacknapalm2131
@blacknapalm2131 Жыл бұрын
I was lucky enough to see The Pumpkins in their glory days during the 'Big Day Out' concert down here in New Zealand in 1994. *I was front row and I can tell you that D'Arcy was so beautiful that it was almost supernatural.* Guys and girls alike, all eyes were fixed on her. And she knew it! She was doing the strangest and most intense facial grimaces and silent screams and strange smiles throughout the performance, and all timed perfectly to her amazing bass playing. It was like a kind of performance art that I have never seen before or since. During the end of 'Silverfuck' the rest of the band fell silent and it was just D'Arcy who played her droning bass line on and on almost like a solo for what felt like 5 minutes straight until the crowd was swaying, almost in a trance before Billy screamed and the entire band kicked back in for the climax of the song. It was the greatest live performance I have ever seen in my life and truly memorable and D'Arcy was a big part of it.
@shaunkellison1761
@shaunkellison1761 Жыл бұрын
I saw them in 1996 and I just remember how average looking she was compared to my date.
@lisagibson2975
@lisagibson2975 Жыл бұрын
she was my first girl crush :D
@pumpkinrott6472
@pumpkinrott6472 Жыл бұрын
Sounds amazing!!!!
@TerrorballNoise
@TerrorballNoise Жыл бұрын
Yeah i was there too, though i was curled in a ball at the back under the stands on acid. Sounded pretty good, i preferred The Breeders though.
@DemocracyManifest
@DemocracyManifest Жыл бұрын
D'Arcy and amazing bass playing definitely don't belong in the same sentence
@jiveassturkey8849
@jiveassturkey8849 Жыл бұрын
I was actually fb friends with her and spoke to her quite often around 2016-18. Yes it was actually her. She would send recent photos of her and her horses. One time I posted that my father was having surgery and she posted on my page that she was praying for him and I commented thank you and people recognized her and she had to block me because most of my friends were trying to contact her. Haven’t heard from her since. But it was cool while it lasted.
@mrfuriouser
@mrfuriouser Жыл бұрын
My buddy's sister was "best" friends with her in high school. The things I heard from her painted Darcy as a pretty nice, genuine person. This sounds like something she would do. Too bad she was overwhelmed by the others. Cheers, thanks for sharing!
@jiveassturkey8849
@jiveassturkey8849 Жыл бұрын
@@mrfuriouser Yes I don’t think she just blocked me I think she just deleted that account altogether… hopefully it wasn’t solely because of that incident. But it was so cool talking the her off and on for those couple of years. It was obvious she didn’t want to talk about Billy Corgan, and I never ever asked.
@1w598
@1w598 Жыл бұрын
I wanna see the photos she sent!
@jiveassturkey8849
@jiveassturkey8849 Жыл бұрын
@@1w598 how am I supposed to upload photo to a KZfaq comment?
@edwardmajka6464
@edwardmajka6464 Жыл бұрын
Yeah sure right
@bathcat3759
@bathcat3759 Жыл бұрын
SP made me realize there was awesome music outside or rap. Without them, I would not have the appreciation for music that I do. They started the journey
@drugmoney1369
@drugmoney1369 12 күн бұрын
Interesting comment and one that I can really relate to, except Nirvana was the band that did that for me.
@jobiazgarza9571
@jobiazgarza9571 Жыл бұрын
I saw them with Wretzky twice and regardless of what if anything she put on the Gish or Siamese Dream albums, she played well live and she is a great stage presence. A good counter energy to Corgan. They are far better live with her in the band.
@AxleTrade
@AxleTrade Жыл бұрын
Her vocals were pretty underrated too. Being Corgan's foil in terms of sound in both instruments and singing brought a lot to the table in how solid they were both in the albums and live.
@simpleagain1
@simpleagain1 11 ай бұрын
@@AxleTrade-agreed! She brings a certain energy to the table and overall chemistry of the band. You can’t mess with that chemistry. That’s what makes the band magic in the first place
@zefdin101
@zefdin101 10 ай бұрын
@@AxleTrade - I was just going to type that.. her voice is delightful and hauntingly beautiful on backing vocals.
@alesiap.6062
@alesiap.6062 7 ай бұрын
Omg absolutely! That is not even a band worth seeing without D'Arcy on bass.
@alesiap.6062
@alesiap.6062 7 ай бұрын
​@@AxleTradeShe had a great voice. I wish she had been the singer and the bass player personally. I loved the Pumpkins through about 1997. Then my interests were elsewhere. I was also a devout Alice in Chains fan. They were my favorite band by far in the early 90s, and mid, and late. But I like the pumpkins as well. I just could not stand Billy's voice. And the fact he is the biggest a**hole to ever be in a rock band lol.
@robwalsh9843
@robwalsh9843 Жыл бұрын
I liked when the Smashing Pumpkins had that heavy psychedelic aesthetic on Gish and Siamese Dream as opposed to the more post-punk/goth thing they had going on later in their career.
@mattgilbert7347
@mattgilbert7347 Жыл бұрын
Agreed, although I thought they got some of that old vibe back with Oceania
@qwerwerterytrtyutyuiyuiouiop
@qwerwerterytrtyutyuiyuiouiop Жыл бұрын
post-punk is a completely incorrect descriptor for what you-re trying to say SP catalogue is 0% post-punk
@annone3428
@annone3428 Жыл бұрын
@@qwerwerterytrtyutyuiyuiouiop kinda BS, their demos and gigs before gish were pretty post-punk.
@qwerwerterytrtyutyuiyuiouiop
@qwerwerterytrtyutyuiyuiouiop Жыл бұрын
@@annone3428 that wasn't the context of the original post, poindexter
@LannieLord
@LannieLord Жыл бұрын
I agree. Mellon Collie is VERY over-rated (only about ONE discs worth of good songs - and I am alone when I say , I HATE that song "1979") . I was alive in 1979-- that song makes me feel nothing .
@thinkingjack
@thinkingjack Жыл бұрын
D’Arcy was my first musical crush. I was enamored with her and even tried playing bass because of her before becoming a guitarist. I always wondered what happened and this is super sad to learn of her struggles
@justingoers
@justingoers Жыл бұрын
I really miss D'arcy and the energy she brought to the band. She had the sound, the vibe and the look. I hope they can all get back together and be friends some day.
@redconfetti
@redconfetti Жыл бұрын
Actually, I can't find the article that references it, but he shared how he was trying to work on a track and she told him to sing softly. He actually said in the interview "you mean like 'Stay cool'?" mocking Corgan's vocals from Cherub Rock. She told him to lay down on some pillows with the mic right overhead and sing. She did a vocal take on the song "Cancer" from Title of Record, and he was like "wow, I don't think I can do better than you did there, can we just use your vocals". This totally showed me that she was a creative influence, she worked with people. She wasn't just a pretty bassist.
@jamiehovis7722
@jamiehovis7722 Жыл бұрын
@@redconfetti that is trivial. corgan wrote all her bass lines. end of story.
@alukuhito
@alukuhito Жыл бұрын
I'm not sure she had the sound as Billy played bass on most of those old classics.
@covid19alpha2variantturboc7
@covid19alpha2variantturboc7 Жыл бұрын
Dude they're all so old now. Even if they did all kiss and make up, it would never be the same. Oh and Darcy has lost "the look" for good.
@devon_darko
@devon_darko Жыл бұрын
@@alukuhito The fact that people keep saying that and there's tons of videos of them playing live where her bass tone is awesome.
@Ninnjette-
@Ninnjette- Жыл бұрын
I started listening to smashing pumpkins when I was 12 years old, I grew up with them. When the pumpkins broke up, it was like parents divorcing it was devastating. I wish Darcy nothing but the best, she’s a beautiful soul.
@jeremysiron9622
@jeremysiron9622 Жыл бұрын
Ava adore made the break up a little easier to swallow
@susiex6669
@susiex6669 Жыл бұрын
Agreed Ninnjette. I loved Darcy in the 90s. Wishing her well.
@mericanignoranc3551
@mericanignoranc3551 Жыл бұрын
Parents divorcing is a good thing and healthier for all involved , especially for children . Mericans are backwards, ignorant and weird ...smh
@odasdefe
@odasdefe Жыл бұрын
I was about the same age when i started listening. Nirvana was the buzz all over, even though i lved in Tijuana, Mexico. It was fun listening to them but the smashing pumpkins they really hit me in the feels, from the grunge days to Ava adore. It's really sad they couldn't stay toguether and to be able to evolve as a band.
@shaunkellison1761
@shaunkellison1761 Жыл бұрын
She is a TERRIBLE bass player.
@RavenBlaze420
@RavenBlaze420 Жыл бұрын
I hope D Arcy gets the help she needs. This is pretty sad on all ends from the pumpkins to her. I'm sure both have valid points on each other. I just hope one day we can see the OG line up of the pumpkins
@FoxyPinkGirl
@FoxyPinkGirl Жыл бұрын
She’s healthy. She’s been healthy for a few years now.
@RavenBlaze420
@RavenBlaze420 Жыл бұрын
@@FoxyPinkGirl glad to hear. I'm a bassist myself n like to think there's a brother sisterhood there among bass players so I'm glad to know she is healthy.
@rickpeterson8825
@rickpeterson8825 Жыл бұрын
Why you watch something and comment in a completely uninformed manner which leads others to be misinformed..so damn stupid!
@deathkampdrone
@deathkampdrone Жыл бұрын
Billy and James are assholes, obviously. Billy is a genius, but he is no easy dude to please. I hope she is well after all.
@RavenBlaze420
@RavenBlaze420 Жыл бұрын
@@rickpeterson8825 the fuck are you talking about?
@paulvato
@paulvato Жыл бұрын
I met her when Smashing Pumpkins were the musical act on SNL (Cameron Diaz was the host) back in the 1900s. All I can remember is how super super nice she was to me. A total class act.
@Hallucination
@Hallucination Жыл бұрын
All the way back in the 1900s!? Hahaha!
@michaelskoomamacher5652
@michaelskoomamacher5652 Жыл бұрын
Finally I can say *in a proper meaning* Smashing Pumpkins were waaaaaaay ahead of their parents' time.
@bookmarksbindery7850
@bookmarksbindery7850 Жыл бұрын
Cameron Diaz held up an Edison Cylinder of their latest release and told everybody to go and buy it.
@exotictrap_
@exotictrap_ Жыл бұрын
I’m just surprised you still remember that after at very least 123-113 years later
@Duncan_Idaho_Potato
@Duncan_Idaho_Potato Жыл бұрын
I feel like The Smashing Pumpkins were Gen X's Fleetwood Mac, in a way. A group of great musicians who made great music, but were just a time bomb waiting to go off in personal matters. Drug issues, personality issues, creative issues... I think we were lucky to get three truly great albums out of them before they began to disintegrate.
@pesco3773
@pesco3773 Жыл бұрын
Good comparison. Even more credit to Stevie Nicks, then. She demanded she stay in the band and that her ex sing the songs she wrote about their breakup.
@willrunriot
@willrunriot Жыл бұрын
Just saw them last night. They still put on a good show, but I wasn’t really feeling the newer material. Luckily the set was mostly the ‘90s stuff. Jane’s Addiction absolutely killed it though.
@user-kt8vn6ip2w
@user-kt8vn6ip2w Жыл бұрын
That's a beautiful analogy.
@miameramusic
@miameramusic Жыл бұрын
This is so true I bet even they would agree with you.
@alukuhito
@alukuhito Жыл бұрын
Gross. Fleetwood Mac? Get out of town.
@BeamFox311
@BeamFox311 Жыл бұрын
I saw Pumpkins live in '94 when they played in Saginaw, MI. There was a special shout out to D'arcy who was all smiles because her hometown was only 3 hours away. The band rocked, and D'arcy was just mesmerizing in the way she played and sort of swayed back in forth that put us in a trance to watch her. First time I got to crowd surf all the way to the front of the stage, so I'll always remember this one!
@olat2597
@olat2597 Жыл бұрын
Wow. D’arcy performing so close to her hometown, you crowd surfing to the front for the very first time. The joy of it all! What a beautiful memory. It made me feel nostalgic for something I didn’t even experience myself. 💖
@simpleagain1
@simpleagain1 11 ай бұрын
Them were the days!
@ratiod2289
@ratiod2289 Жыл бұрын
Miss D’arcy! Without her the pumpkins never were the same.
@deluxsound123
@deluxsound123 Жыл бұрын
Your right, they are much better without the dead weight.
@shaunkellison1761
@shaunkellison1761 Жыл бұрын
LMAO! You would never notice, dude. Unless you were watching a video...
@matt79hz
@matt79hz Жыл бұрын
@@deluxsound123 they've been pretty terrible since melon collie.. Zwan was better than anything since imo.
@deluxsound123
@deluxsound123 Жыл бұрын
@@matt79hz I dont care what you think. I didnt ask you if you liked the band. You can hate them all you want. I dont care.
@matt79hz
@matt79hz Жыл бұрын
@@deluxsound123 I love the pumpkins, and of course don't really care what you think either.. free platform to comment right ?
@Deetroiter
@Deetroiter Жыл бұрын
I still think the tone of her bass is by far one of the best I've ever heard. It's so prominent and so warm sounding, it has a strength that never sounds harsh or blown out.
@downeybill
@downeybill Жыл бұрын
Sounds like that tone was a product of Corgan and Butch Vigg.
@someperson8151
@someperson8151 Жыл бұрын
Op, listen to the video. Corgan played most of the songs that were on the album, because he wanted to do it on fewer takes. Wretzky was just eye candy for the band.
@devon_darko
@devon_darko Жыл бұрын
@@someperson8151 Watch the live performances from the 90's, dingbat. She's on stage playing well and with a great tone. That's what the original commenter is talking about. Smh.
@lawnmowerman7
@lawnmowerman7 Жыл бұрын
@@devon_darko commenter only mentioned tone, which may have been set up by someone else for concerts
@simpleagain1
@simpleagain1 11 ай бұрын
@@someperson8151-that’s not true at all. She’s obviously not the player or writer that Billy is but she held her own when she was sober. That girl could rock out and was definitely a plus factor in that band
@bmaluginthevanishingman6034
@bmaluginthevanishingman6034 Жыл бұрын
Anybody in the comments.. do you remember when you got The Melancholy and infinite sadness double cassette tape. My mom had got it for me the following Christmas and I fell in love with the atmosphere and the imagination in each and every song
@88_TROUBLE_88
@88_TROUBLE_88 Жыл бұрын
Naw, I borrowed the double CD from a girlfriend at the time..
@dhammaboy1203
@dhammaboy1203 Жыл бұрын
It defined an era of my early 20’s and yes - first time I ever heard the album was the week of its release at my mates place. I was mermerised! It was so dense, psychedelic, heavy, light and epic all at once!
@TheSomagish
@TheSomagish Жыл бұрын
I remember my best friend and I we were obsessed with the pumpkins got that album cranked up volume and started play. I think I got a boner when I heard 1979 for the first time chills went through my soul hearing that strange echo like new guitar sound and such a catchy hook. Plus being 18 at the best time in the USA it was a surreal moment
@TheJoeyG88
@TheJoeyG88 Жыл бұрын
Huge Pumpkins fan, saw them a few times last few years, and of course got the new album.. I must say, they just ain't the same without her.. Her gritty Bass is definitely missed by me..
@Paganscot
@Paganscot Жыл бұрын
There is no doubt Corgan can be a total arsehole. Sad to see Darcy spiraling like that. I hope she is doing much better, she really was a great bass player. I still adore the Gish album.
@loganrohr8573
@loganrohr8573 Жыл бұрын
i think billy has really cleaned up his act in recent years. i haven’t heard about a bad encounter with him in a long time.
@ndesdsadfd
@ndesdsadfd Жыл бұрын
@@loganrohr8573 Corgan always had a HUGE ego. Anyway yes, it seems he's kind of mellowed out a little, these past few years.
@totallynotfbi5837
@totallynotfbi5837 Жыл бұрын
She is. My dad and I met her a few years ago. She's got a real nice place and is just doing her paintings and tending to her horses. You can tell she's found peace
@balthasardenner5216
@balthasardenner5216 Жыл бұрын
@@totallynotfbi5837 Glad to hear that! It sounded like from what her bf said on social media a while back that she was doing well.
@Superman_305
@Superman_305 Жыл бұрын
Just like he did with the smashing pumpkins Billy Corgan found something else he can destroy wrestling because he owns the wrestling promotion N.W.A which he sucks at.
@marknjoannelucier714
@marknjoannelucier714 Жыл бұрын
Big fan here. Followed this story really closely at the time because I was really hoping for an original line up tour. Corgan stated he did reach out to her and she never showed up to practice and hadn’t picked up a bass in years. She wouldn’t have the stamina to keep up with a whole tour and didn’t know all the songs. She wanted in 100% they invited her to participate here and there but had a bassist they’d been practicing with. Corgan said he was over the drama and wished her well with her horses.
@Lobosalsa9
@Lobosalsa9 Жыл бұрын
Stern interview?
@EmmaBev4
@EmmaBev4 Жыл бұрын
The mixture of tenses you narrate your videos in make my head spin, but thank you for this. D’arcy’s playing was a huge influence on me as a teen.
@ouackstrax7356
@ouackstrax7356 Жыл бұрын
Do you still play bass?
@prodiggy88
@prodiggy88 Жыл бұрын
D’Arcy is a Queen ❤
@ericthiel4053
@ericthiel4053 Жыл бұрын
I once saw an interview with Doyle Von Frankenstein from the Misfits and he summed it up the best. He said "I'll never understand why people cant get along. It must be awfull just playing music and making million of dollars" . Said sarcastically of course and this is what I think of every time I think about smashing pumpkins. It's crazy how ego just DESTROYS absolutely brilliant bands.
@ericthiel4053
@ericthiel4053 Жыл бұрын
@@xombiekat13 Undoubtedly so!! Just imagine if Danzig would have been more "cooperative" lol. But luckily, all of them found sucsess. But yeah I'm sure it was directed at him lol.
@shocbomb23
@shocbomb23 Жыл бұрын
Ego and heroin
@klocke5247
@klocke5247 Жыл бұрын
For what it's worth, as a musician that's been through this a few times, it's not always about ego, though that's often the case. You're working on a song and your co-writer(s) takes it in a direction that, in your mind, ruins it. And vice versa. Or, it's their/your song and you/they feel it sucks so bad, you're embarrassed to be seen playing it. It can be extremely difficult to keep everyone on the same page.
@ericthiel4053
@ericthiel4053 Жыл бұрын
@@klocke5247Ah I see what your saying. Yeah I can imagine that crap takes place a lot too.
@midgetwitha50cal13
@midgetwitha50cal13 Жыл бұрын
I'm gonna see the Misfits this weekend in Dallas.
@augustjohnnycrashed
@augustjohnnycrashed Жыл бұрын
Sianese Dream is unmatchable pure guitar genius and still underrated by guitarists.
@garylagstrom3864
@garylagstrom3864 Жыл бұрын
I saw the pumpkins on lollapalooza in 94 and loved hearing Gish and Siamese Dream! Both records are pure HEAVEN! Billy, James, Darcy, and Jimmy doesn’t get better than that! I’m not gonna lie: I REALLY MISS DARCY BEING IN THIS BAND 💔
@matt79hz
@matt79hz Жыл бұрын
Correct, it never got any better than that.
@commiehunter733
@commiehunter733 Жыл бұрын
That was heaven
@truthhurts79
@truthhurts79 Жыл бұрын
They suck after 1st album
@racializedkanadian
@racializedkanadian Жыл бұрын
yup. THAT was a fantastic lolla that year. They were truly AWESOME.
@natesbored
@natesbored Жыл бұрын
At Lollapalooza in ‘94 Corgan got mad at the audience because Green Day and beastie boys absolutely crushed their sets. The audience lacked energy during pumpkins and he was upset about it. They practically booed him off stage. I never felt the same way about Pumpkins again despite how amazing Siamese dream and Gish were. Beastie Boys and Green Day though 🔥🔥🔥🔥
@danfred7127
@danfred7127 Жыл бұрын
I just saw Smashing Pumpkins on Saturday night Oct. 22nd, they were supposed to be touring with Jane's Addiction, but J.A. abruptly cancelled, and didn't even tell anyone. No one realized until we were already at the show because they didn't announce it. So the Smashing Pumpkins had to perform an extra 40-50 minutes to make up the time for them. And you know what? I didn't even miss Jane's Addiction because the Pumpkins were amazing. They still sound so good, look up some concert footage of their tour so far, they just started the beginning of October and there's video on youtube of some concerts. Also, tickets have been on sale since like March, and Dave Navarro only announced days before the tour was to start that he wouldn't be joining. Screw Jane's Addiction, Smashing Pumpkins still rule, however.
@zilksmooth
@zilksmooth Жыл бұрын
I saw them in Nashville and JA was terrible. Perry is the only one left. 1/2 the show involved barely dressed strippers grinding to the songs and PA hopping in on the action. And he’s old now, so you can imagine the vibe it gave off. Smashing Pumkins was stellar though.
@paulweston8408
@paulweston8408 Жыл бұрын
Hell in my opinion the crowd lucked out! I have NEVER understood why anyone likes Jane's Addiction.
@mywhychromosome
@mywhychromosome Жыл бұрын
@@zilksmooth "PA Hopping"?? Do you mean like, jumping over the speakers? (I got the rest of it, perfect mental image for a current, trying-way-too-hard Jane's Addiction show lol)
@thegrandbeef
@thegrandbeef Жыл бұрын
I found Billy's secret KZfaq account! I'm kidding, I'm glad you had a good time. Good on the Pumkins for showing JA how to rock correctly! I'll check out clips from the show.
@-elijahriggs-
@-elijahriggs- Жыл бұрын
My first show was the Mellon Collie tour. The first show I ever asked to go to and asked my parents for tickets. It was fantastic. Before the show I didn't realize what a stellar guitar player Corgan was (lead wise). Fountains of Wayne opened. They sucked and were heckled accordingly.
@nongthip
@nongthip Жыл бұрын
I used to play Pumpkins songs *loud* in my soft top convertible (I turned it down at stop lights) and it's still one of the most iconic bands of the '90s. Unfortunately, as is so often the case, epic hardcore music comes out of various degrees of mental illness, deep depression, drug abuse, paranoia, panic attacks, and maybe suicidal tendencies. Be well and take care, seek help if you need it.
@michaelhaydenbell
@michaelhaydenbell Жыл бұрын
I've played Pumpkins songs *loud* in my car, but it wasn't a convertible, soft top or otherwise, and I also turn it up at stop lights. Is this ok?
@AlisonBryen
@AlisonBryen Жыл бұрын
​@@michaelhaydenbell it's fine, I still play them loud at traffic lights, in my tiny 10 year old red Hyundai i10...on a CD player...
@360entertainment2
@360entertainment2 Жыл бұрын
Everything I’ve heard about her relationship with Billy Corgan has always come off sounding toxic and this video solidifies it. I hope she’s living her best life right now and that things are going well!
@jsogman
@jsogman Жыл бұрын
Such an excellent bassist and Central component of SP's (mostly early) sound!! Very glad that Billy, Butch Vig and Flood Let Her shine, esp in the intros and quieter parts of their songs...
@ralphtarr5931
@ralphtarr5931 Жыл бұрын
I've been in unsuccessful bands with people who didn't get along and even if it was Uber successful it's like staying in a marriage for the kids, it's just not going to be good. For ANYONE PEACE AND LOVE D'ARCY 😘
@baileycuervo
@baileycuervo Жыл бұрын
Would love to have seen what she could have contributed to music without S.P. as a solo artist. I hope you are doing well D'arcy 💗
@lchamp7946
@lchamp7946 Жыл бұрын
Introduced to the Pumpkins by my buddy during Army AIT in 1992. We went to see them in El Paso together in 1994 when they were touring during release Siamese Dream. Totally mesmerized by D’arcy during that concert. My buddy suffered tremendous desert storm PTSD and substance abuse issues which led to his eventual suicide a couple years ago. Miss him always and wish we could spin Gish together one last time. Will be thinking of him when I see them live in Dallas this August.
@danielnewton5867
@danielnewton5867 Жыл бұрын
I saw them play in 1997 and they were sublime!
@MonTube2006
@MonTube2006 Жыл бұрын
Did they played Santoria ?
@chzzyg2698
@chzzyg2698 Жыл бұрын
It's amazing that no one in the band got along yet they managed to make awesome music.
@schirmc1
@schirmc1 Жыл бұрын
Because it was all written by one guy, Billy Corgan. He wrote all the parts of the songs (excluding drums). In many cases he recorded all those parts in the studio as well (excluding the drums). James Iha has a total of 5 cowritten songs throughout their glory days in the 90s. I think it is amazing they stayed together as long as they did considering that Billy was doing all the star power work.
@KoolAidManOG
@KoolAidManOG Жыл бұрын
@@schirmc1 The chemistry was still necessary. Corgan never made anything close to the Pumpkins' first three albums after that core group broke up, let alone other projects like Zwan, etc
@schirmc1
@schirmc1 Жыл бұрын
@@KoolAidManOG Very true. But most people cant keep producing hits. The creative juices only last so long.
@Janzer_
@Janzer_ Жыл бұрын
honestly, this is pretty normal for quite a few bands...
@simpleagain1
@simpleagain1 11 ай бұрын
@@schirmc1-artistic creativity decline is directly tied to declining testosterone levels in males
@CristinaF210
@CristinaF210 Жыл бұрын
DAMN, one of my fav bands of all time, and I didn't know about any of this. Darcy I hope you get the help you need, man I looked up to you I started playing after watching you in a few concerts I went of Smashing P. in the early nineties. I pray you get everything you need and want ♥especially happiness you deserve it♥
@ZenEndurance
@ZenEndurance Жыл бұрын
D’Arcy, if you ever want to jam, I’ll hang out with you anytime. Your music changed my life and it would be an honor to be your friend! Stay safe and know you are loved by so many.
@Zothiqueness
@Zothiqueness Жыл бұрын
Wow, great video. Gish was such an important album to me when I was a teenager, I had just moved my freshman year of high school and it was pretty stressful. I didn't know any of this backstory tho.
@Bob-hq5lj
@Bob-hq5lj Жыл бұрын
I was friendly with Darcy and other girls in High School on the girls varsity tennis team, I even rode my motorcycle to their out of town matches to cheer them on. Many people don't know that she was involved in a fairly serious car accident around that time and busted up her face pretty badly. She was probably one of the prettiest girls I'd ever seen and had a huge crush on her.
@chis5050
@chis5050 Жыл бұрын
She was on the tennis team ?
@Bob-hq5lj
@Bob-hq5lj Жыл бұрын
@@chis5050 Yes and she was fairly good
@chis5050
@chis5050 Жыл бұрын
@@Bob-hq5lj interesting. Thanks for the response
@paulweston8408
@paulweston8408 Жыл бұрын
This is truly One of the sadder stories in rock that didn't involve multiple deaths (not that the One wasn't horrible). To I think almost any fan Smashing Pumpkins is the original Four people and anything else is just another group using their name, even if it has Three of the Four in it.
@tylerstamps2786
@tylerstamps2786 Жыл бұрын
Saw the pumpkins at a small club in Nashville while on the Gish tour in ‘92ish. It was my intro to “alternative” music. They absolutely crushed it and I haven’t been the same since!
@calilove5758
@calilove5758 Жыл бұрын
I thank God I got to see them in 1993 at the Paladium in Hollywood. Siamese dream album. My all time favorite. It was an amazing show I'll never forget
@blackphillip8486
@blackphillip8486 Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for uploading this video Rn'R True Stories! I always wonder about her when I listen to SP which is fairly often. I mean, I kinda knew what happened but I didn't really know. You know? Now I'm informed. 👍❤🎃❤
@LetsGoMetsGo33
@LetsGoMetsGo33 Жыл бұрын
Saw the Pumpkins last week, with Janes Addiction. Great show. Her failure to put up with Corgan reminds me of a comment by the Misfits’ Doyle, made before they finally reunited with Danzig: “ rock ‘n’ roll is the only business where people can’t put up with each other enough to coexist, and make millions of dollars“.
@varsityathlete9927
@varsityathlete9927 Жыл бұрын
There is an argument for some sports, like 2 drivers in a motorsports team. You have F1 stories like this, two drivers same team can't stand each other both earn millions and have to coexist due to a contract.
@pentegarn1
@pentegarn1 Жыл бұрын
Thank you!!! We need more D'arcy in our lives again. :)
@a.j.nowaczyk3107
@a.j.nowaczyk3107 Жыл бұрын
Good stuff, man. Great research and presenting it.
@scottbakanumba1heathen313
@scottbakanumba1heathen313 Жыл бұрын
Always wondered what became of D'arcy. Circa 1995-1996, her posture with her bass guitar when performing live always amused me.
@itsmeAshley84
@itsmeAshley84 Жыл бұрын
I just started getting into the Smashing Pumpkins more and wondered what happened to her ❤️❤️❤️ Loved them as a teen
@n0kturna1
@n0kturna1 Жыл бұрын
Miss her so much.. maybe it was the tension in the band that produced at least 3 unparalleled masterpieces
@Cheddar_Curtain
@Cheddar_Curtain Жыл бұрын
Smashing Pumpkins were royalty in Chicago, and there were a thousand teenage girls who picked up a bass guitar guitar because of D'arcy. I remember when she called into the 'radio station', which was Q101 in Chicago. She had been off the radar for quite awhile and nobody was quite sure what she was up to. I believe the call was completely unsolicited and the DJ seemed as surprised as anybody to be hearing from her. Made for some interesting radio that day.
@FoxNewsChannelSux
@FoxNewsChannelSux Жыл бұрын
I remember that. I was listening too.
@refrigeratornoise3046
@refrigeratornoise3046 9 ай бұрын
The audio of that nterview is here on KZfaq. Just saw it this morning
@Cheddar_Curtain
@Cheddar_Curtain 9 ай бұрын
Nice. I remember listening to it live. @@refrigeratornoise3046
@SteveFrench_420
@SteveFrench_420 Жыл бұрын
Corgan did everything on Siamese Dreams, except the Drums.
@morgancatherwood5665
@morgancatherwood5665 Жыл бұрын
dream
@LumiMoonCh
@LumiMoonCh Жыл бұрын
@MARQUIS de QUEENSBURY 5.0 Totally different situation
@clownnookie
@clownnookie Жыл бұрын
The Philly Setlist was Phantastic, and I even enjoyed the songs he played from the newer albums.
@honorladone8682
@honorladone8682 Жыл бұрын
I saw her alive and followed her ever since. She really influenced my mind and soul. Thanks doll. Philadelphia USA
@billsutherland3935
@billsutherland3935 Жыл бұрын
So you’re a stalker?
@mantistron
@mantistron Жыл бұрын
Darcy (Miss Blue) was the subject of songs on + appeared on a Filter's Title Of Record LP. I think she provided BVs for a number of the tracks although only credited (as Miss Wut) on the track 'Cancer'.
@SuperChillin11
@SuperChillin11 Жыл бұрын
I've wondered this so many times! 😂 She was great, saw her in concert with the Pumpkins on many occasions.
@AZ-hg6kw
@AZ-hg6kw Жыл бұрын
Pumpkin fans (me, being a big one) love to scapegoat Darcey and this whole fallout. The truth is, at least at the very end, she nailed Billy. She totally called out his bs. He did not like the embarrassment and that was that. Darcey was right at the end though. I say this as a very big fan of Billy's.
@lordkayx
@lordkayx 11 ай бұрын
When you listen to all the band members talk about each other from interviews it's amazing they stayed along together for as long as they did
@Livemusic1800
@Livemusic1800 10 ай бұрын
That's crazy. I'm looking into this bands history. It's very interesting to me. I'm a musician too but play a different genre. I can say alot famous and upcoming bands always have problems within in. Maybe ego personal issues even money. It's sad that great bands have split up over stuff like this.
@semiprofessional8470
@semiprofessional8470 Жыл бұрын
I was born and raised in the town that d'arcy is from. I used to see her sometimes. I did some work at her house a couple times. She seemed overwhelmed so I just respected her privacy. I was about 18 and really wanted to talk to her though.
@PhantomFilmAustralia
@PhantomFilmAustralia Жыл бұрын
I felt a degree of tragedy and sorrow when _The Smashing Pumpkins_ lost D'arcy Wretzky. Eleven years later I felt the same when _The White Stripes_ lost Meg White.
@mirellalastar
@mirellalastar Жыл бұрын
They do not really compare though in terms of musicianship. Meg White's drumming skills are really not that good.
@bradyblackburn7877
@bradyblackburn7877 Жыл бұрын
I didn't know most of this. Jesus, can you imagine going through a break up, panic disorder, addiction issues, a miscarriage, and a ton of other personal problems while being stuck with a raging egomaniacal douchebag like Corgan? It's a wonder she's still sane.
@mariecait
@mariecait Жыл бұрын
Women deal with this stuff (myself included)
@Garf2O
@Garf2O Жыл бұрын
@@mariecait ego much
@ratlungworm7035
@ratlungworm7035 Жыл бұрын
@@mariecait Tons of people, men and women, deal with this stuff. And 9 times out of 10 it is due to our own folly.
@curadhanpowell5007
@curadhanpowell5007 9 ай бұрын
@@ratlungworm7035 yeah, but being that 1 out of 10 thru no fault of our own really sucks bad.
@Errcyco
@Errcyco Жыл бұрын
If you were a boy born between 1982-1986… D’arcy was probably your first crush. I thought she was the prettiest chick I’d ever seen and then she was also incredibly cool and talented.
@tonydiesel3444
@tonydiesel3444 Жыл бұрын
They all tranz people lol inverts. That's a dude mtf sorry
@joedecker3900
@joedecker3900 Жыл бұрын
I was born in 69, you were too young then.
@RycheForOrder
@RycheForOrder Жыл бұрын
She has a house down the road from me in a very small town in Southwest Michigan. Seems to lead a very private life and has a horse ranch across the street.
@austenbradshaw6816
@austenbradshaw6816 Жыл бұрын
The 2018 incident was because since she hadn’t played bass live in 20 years or even met up with the band that she wouldn’t be able to perform their strenuous 3 hour set. So Corgan was trying to have her play however many she was comfortable with and have Jack Bates who had already been playing with the band do the rest. Corgan has always made the music the #1 priority, and works really hard to have it be the best it can be, and doesn’t let other peoples musical shortcomings hinder the music because he’s put in the work to have that ability . And that’s pretty much the reason he gets called an asshole and controlling when it comes to the songs he wrote.
@WhiteDevil-du8ne
@WhiteDevil-du8ne Жыл бұрын
Corgan is a known asshole. It goes beyond just his music. He's had feuds with a lot of people. It's not a secret.
@jlinms8721
@jlinms8721 Жыл бұрын
That would be really believable if Corgan wasn't absolutely dog shit singing live.
@dixienormus6941
@dixienormus6941 Жыл бұрын
The thing is: with a few months rehearsal she could have got up to scratch. Hell, I could pick up a bass and nail all those parts in a few weeks.
@christopherdiedrich40
@christopherdiedrich40 Жыл бұрын
@@dixienormus6941 I doubt that
@FlatlanderAudioRecording
@FlatlanderAudioRecording Жыл бұрын
Facts!
@davidmeichner8346
@davidmeichner8346 Жыл бұрын
For me, the is no SP without D'arcy also included. And D'arcy's editing input cannot be overstated.
@alukuhito
@alukuhito Жыл бұрын
Thankfully it's not up to you, because they've recorded so much good music since she left the band.
@EQuinn-cr9oc
@EQuinn-cr9oc Жыл бұрын
D'Arcy and Nicole Fiorentino were some of the few to be willing to tell Billy no, and well, we've seen how that went for them. The music is better when he has someone to contradict him every so often.
@murk4552
@murk4552 Жыл бұрын
​@alukuhito yeah but not their original sound
@Mediocre_JT
@Mediocre_JT Жыл бұрын
I've been thinking about her a lot lately, odd that this vid came up. Thanks
@Amy_Ramirez03
@Amy_Ramirez03 Жыл бұрын
All for the best for D’arcy wherever you are. ❤ hope all is well ❤🎃
@drinkmorewater3904
@drinkmorewater3904 Жыл бұрын
I bleached my hair in high school and darkened my eyebrows in an attempt to look like her.
@te9591
@te9591 Жыл бұрын
And?
@constancemerryweather525
@constancemerryweather525 Жыл бұрын
She did have a striking look to her!
@RadicalSharkRS
@RadicalSharkRS Жыл бұрын
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@kingfish4200
@kingfish4200 9 ай бұрын
So happy I got to see the original lineup right after they did a stadium tour they did a small club tour and they came to Cincinnati, OH to a club called Bogarts. I went to get tickets as soon as they went on sale and got 2 before they sold out in 2 mins!!!! Fucking amazing show that night in such a small place!! One that I will never forget!!
@shannonlee3671
@shannonlee3671 4 ай бұрын
She and this band is the reason i wanted to play bass guitar to this day. I worked every summer to save up for my first bass and lessons. I was 14 and now 44....still playing. I miss that girl.
@INDRIDCOLD83
@INDRIDCOLD83 Жыл бұрын
The year was 1995 I believe. I was just a young man at 12 years old. I remember seeing her in the video for the song Tonight, Tonight on mtv. I thought she was the most beautiful woman ever.
@jeronimolegua6606
@jeronimolegua6606 Жыл бұрын
D'Arcy: As mom always said, "If you have nothing good to say, say nothing at all." Great advice for life, explains a lot here.
@alukuhito
@alukuhito Жыл бұрын
Passive-aggressively saying that she has a lot to complain about, ignoring the actual intent of that phrase.
@santaclase3410
@santaclase3410 Жыл бұрын
CooLLLL i was just here Thanks for sharing??????🥰🥰🥰
@deathkampdrone
@deathkampdrone Жыл бұрын
Easily the most likable, relatable member of the band. Her playing ability is so underrated, she totally kills it at all those shows until Adore. Sweet D'arcy
@johnniea4684
@johnniea4684 8 ай бұрын
The most attractive. James and Jimmy have always come off as the more likeable members of the band.
@Johnnyhumbkr
@Johnnyhumbkr Жыл бұрын
I really don’t know too much about the Pumpkins , but after watching a few interviews with Billy, I think he was overly controlling of them. D’arcy was a really good bassist and had an awesome singing voice. I hope she joins another band,and continues her music career!
@seancassidy674
@seancassidy674 Жыл бұрын
Corgan is known as a control freak, but Iha at least had some occasional songwriting contributions and Chamberlain held his own as a great musician. She probably had a bit of imposter syndrome since she was only passable at bass and didn't contribute to writing (and for certain records didn't play her own bass parts). There was probably a great deal of emotional stress building up over the years.
@Pineoilheavan
@Pineoilheavan Жыл бұрын
Never saw the Pumpkins live however there was a cool bar on 63rd & Wood? Called Traxx. Directly under the raised railroad tracks. Anyway in 1991 at this bar they had that Gish album blasting out the jukebox & a dance club in the back. Good times on Chicago south side.
@BLASTER0913
@BLASTER0913 Жыл бұрын
63rd/Wood isn’t the type of area where that music would be welcome. Are you sure? It’s the ghetto.
@Pineoilheavan
@Pineoilheavan Жыл бұрын
@@BLASTER0913 okay, maybe 63 & Just before Kenzie. Was a cool place only open on Friday and Saturday nights. By 1996 it was all boarded up unfortunately. Then we would go to The EXIT 1623 north Wells.
@BLASTER0913
@BLASTER0913 Жыл бұрын
@@Pineoilheavan Haha. I know The Exit. For sure. My buddy was in a punk band back then and always had gigs there.
@ashmaybe9634
@ashmaybe9634 Жыл бұрын
One of the best live bands I've ever seen, Glasgow Barrowlands early 1990's. And they were SO LOUD!
@scribblestories9198
@scribblestories9198 5 ай бұрын
That was a great gig.
@demonicusa.k.a.theblindguy3929
@demonicusa.k.a.theblindguy3929 Жыл бұрын
I hadn't talked to anyone about the original lineup in years until earlier today., and D'arcey was the focus. As usual my phone was listening in so this just popped up in my feed.
@Aaronius_Maximus
@Aaronius_Maximus Жыл бұрын
That Chris Isaak appearance in 2009 was pretty polarizing in terms of the things Billy and Jimmy said about their previous bandmates. Amazing musical performance that night though 👌
@justinwarner1183
@justinwarner1183 Жыл бұрын
Yeah I particularly thought Jimmy was out of line for saying some of the things he was saying like dude you were a junkie that was partially involved in the death of the bands touring keyboardist and ultimately ended the bands popularity for the rest of the decade. Like you had no reason to talk about who played what on this and that song.
@larrygarcia6356
@larrygarcia6356 Жыл бұрын
What happened to her was downright heartbreaking. After getting lost in drugs, she got plastic surgery done. She’s not the radiant beauty anymore. Now she’s a recluse but at least she’s clean.
@Scribe13013
@Scribe13013 Жыл бұрын
I worked with Darcy back in the 90s...it was great...she was really nice and musical...yeah!!!
@pennsyltuckyden9823
@pennsyltuckyden9823 Жыл бұрын
Kind of sad, we all would like to see them tour together one more time, but sometimes things don't work out, At least we have KZfaq and we can go back and watch any concert we want.
@morsteen
@morsteen Жыл бұрын
I actually like their late 80s demos a lot. Really cool vibe.
@ColleenTempleart
@ColleenTempleart Жыл бұрын
Two sides to every story, but Billy Corgan sounds almost impossible to work with! Feel for her and his fellow bandmates!
@TheRDMagee
@TheRDMagee Жыл бұрын
Fortunately, he made it possible for them to work with him until they were all rich.
@666Havers
@666Havers Жыл бұрын
Most singers turn into control freaks that's why they end up going solo so they get compete control
@rinl.6924
@rinl.6924 Жыл бұрын
I am not a Corgan fan (I liked the music... not so much him) This video did not really cover the reunion story text messages well. They read as she was invited and it seemed like everyone was in good spirts about it. then she discloses that she hasn't played bass and needed to have surgery on her shoulder and her recovery time was very close to the start of the shows / tour. There was even an offer of her singing on stage for a few songs-"2 songs a night or 7 it’s only gonna be great. As long as the vibe is right and people are smiling" and she kept saying she could play and him saying "you need surgery etc and tour starts soon and you haven’t done a full show much less an arena tour in almost decades now that’s a lot to put on yourself." honestly, i think the messages read as quite sympathetic on Corgan's part. Even saying "zero pressure on you, all the pressure on us" (as in him, Jimmy and James-Jeff) ... it reads like he is trying to 'not have her panic' but i dont think she was seeing the reality of the situation. it was never worded as she would be a full member again, just that she would jump on stage once and while as a cameo for the fans-which sure can sound insulting ... but you haven picked up a bass in years and have just had surgery. the 'tshirt' part honestly reads as the discussion of merch sales / share of profit from merch sales and using her image (it honestly reads like he is trying to help her make SOME BANK with the reunion... he does end it saying "But if you don’t want to be on a t-shirt then the kids are happy to buy something else." In the end they did not do that and she did not join them. Like the person mentioned in the comment here... the other two work with him and jeff works with him just fine.
@gator9339
@gator9339 Жыл бұрын
Corgan should just stick to running NWA
@mccririck01
@mccririck01 Жыл бұрын
@@666Havers I think it's how they became so successful - Corgan has drive.
@johngeiger3770
@johngeiger3770 7 ай бұрын
"The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long, and D'Arcy have burned so very very brightly."
@eagletkc
@eagletkc Жыл бұрын
I was at Mellon Collie & Infinite Sadness in '96 in OKC! Aeroplane Flies High (Turns Left, Looks Right) Was not a release but a teaser to come! building jaw dropped with excitement!
@LeveyHere
@LeveyHere Жыл бұрын
Really saddening and interesting to hear, but I hope things aren't too far gone and things can be mended
@xray606
@xray606 Жыл бұрын
I think she is one of the saddest stories in rock, and if I saw Mickey Rourke in person, I'd have to resist kicking him in the nuts. But I learned a long time ago from personal experience, that having a perfect democracy in a band is pretty much impossible. There's always going to be people who are more talented than others. There's also more than one good way to do things, but at some point, you have to pick one and just go with it. The problem starts when the one more talented person usually gets their way. You really need to have other people who can live with being #2, #3 and so on. If everybody thinks they're equal, you get grid-lock.
@susiex6669
@susiex6669 Жыл бұрын
Thats not true. Many bands are equal even if the other members dont write the music, everything is shared evenly. I cant remember what artist it was who was the main songwritter in a group who said something to the effect about everyone getting credit because he didnt want to be living in a house while his bandmates were living in a car. If you have the misfortune of being in a band with an xsshxle, it is what it is.
@Venice666
@Venice666 Жыл бұрын
Play don’t kick his nuts😊
@Undefined9
@Undefined9 Жыл бұрын
Billy's ego shattered the group and Iha came crawling back despite it all; D'arcy saw through it and avoided being sucked back into that void. I grew up listening to these guys, but learning later how full of himself Billy was kind of soured me to their music.
@edarmstrong7197
@edarmstrong7197 Жыл бұрын
Thanks to the Mighty Algorityms this video came up. I was listening to Gish the other night and mentally tuned out Billy's unintelligible lyrics and just enjoyed the seriously heavy instrumentals. Great band.
@danielnewton5867
@danielnewton5867 Жыл бұрын
Smashing Pumpkins were such an amazing group! They were beyond awesome!
@alukuhito
@alukuhito Жыл бұрын
They're still good. Not quite as good as way back when, but good nonetheless. I'm looking forward to the new album(s).
@user60521123
@user60521123 Жыл бұрын
The Pumpkins were my favorite in the mid 90s. I wouldn’t be Interested in seeing them without Darcy. Billy Corgan can be a real ass.
@simpleagain1
@simpleagain1 11 ай бұрын
Wow! That’s such a sad story. Once upon a time this girl was stunningly beautiful. And the smashing pumpkins ruled the world!
@PritishA82
@PritishA82 Жыл бұрын
Fell in love with her in 1997 !! I was 15 u know!! 😘 Peace and Lots of Love from Mumbai India ❤️💯👌✨
@rnrtruestories
@rnrtruestories Жыл бұрын
Do you think Billy treated her fairly? kzfaq.info/get/bejne/sMV3iNVhx9vWhqc.html
@kevintarrant6385
@kevintarrant6385 Жыл бұрын
No I think corgin is a douchebag but he is better now after all this. He now owns N. W. A. The wrestling promotion.
@kristasweetleaf5695
@kristasweetleaf5695 Жыл бұрын
No, not at all
@dd-bb
@dd-bb Жыл бұрын
Absolutely not. I’ve read the messages and she really was looking forward to rejoining. Billy did both her and the fans dirty - if he believed he was doing the right thing he would not have shamelessly lied to his own fans about his actions.
@SerpentStar_
@SerpentStar_ Жыл бұрын
Back to the kitchen making sammiches! 🥪
@pinkmonkeybird2644
@pinkmonkeybird2644 Жыл бұрын
It seems like everyone in the band has their own version of what happened and have carefully edited their version of the truth to suit themselves. Corgan, Wretzky, Iha, Chamberlain and the others made wonderful music together, but like many other successful bands, they had a whole lot of dysfunction, ego, and personal demons that got in the way. I don’t think anyone outside the band can answer that question.
@te9591
@te9591 Жыл бұрын
Did you guys read that the lead singer of Filter wrote a couple sings about her on the softer album they had, from when they were dating.
@SneedyKetler
@SneedyKetler Жыл бұрын
@@Taylor.Dude. not OP but one song features her on background vocals (“Cancer”), and he wrote “Miss Blue” about her, both on the second album. Which isn’t exactly “softer”…
@rickmartin6817
@rickmartin6817 Жыл бұрын
Interesting.... I love FIlter.
@te9591
@te9591 Жыл бұрын
@@Taylor.Dude. Title of Record album, Im Not the Only One and Miss Blue were directly mentioned by Patrick a couple years ago.
@te9591
@te9591 Жыл бұрын
@@SneedyKetler Title of Record was when Filter developed a more radio friendly mix. I personally like the album a lot. But it's when they were said by many to have lost some of their edginess/heavyiness.
@joshquinny6026
@joshquinny6026 2 ай бұрын
This was a well made video, I live Darcy and the pumpkins. I relate to her story and I hope the whole band realizes how amazing they are and brought alot of happiness to the world
@liveforbass
@liveforbass Жыл бұрын
We all miss D'arcy would love to see her in any way.
@rickmartin6817
@rickmartin6817 Жыл бұрын
I knew a security guard who worked a venue where Smashing Pumkins played. Billy invited him to go back stage and help himself to the food that had been catered in. He did so and was approached by Wretzky, who told him to leave, that he was not supposed to be there eating their food. Billy told her to leave the guard alone and said he had invited him to have some food. I respect Billy (for many reasons), D'Arcy not so much. But I loved the music and I wish her happiness.
@DA-br9xd
@DA-br9xd Жыл бұрын
I actually find this story completely believable. She seems like a druggy drama queen. Let's just say I know the type lol
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