I agree, the PC charger was cool at the time. The FPC is much lighter and less time to deploy.

Huge fan of this piece. It’s funny, the guys down at my local shop were talking shit about it, calling it cheap and garbage. I bought it at a show the next week in pa and absolutely love it.

I don’t think any tears were shed. Did you just say neutralize a threat?! Lmao.

Absolutely love this folding pistol carbine. After only a couple of range visits, the bolt release is as intuitive as an AR. Piece O’ Cake Baby! Just plain fun to shoot! Accurate, points well and lightweight. I wouldn’t trade my ARs, but if you want to introduce folks to the shooting sports, defensive home protection, or a hesitant gun owner, this carbine is very persuasive! Smith and Wesson knocked this one out of the park!

Great thing about you tube its all about varying opinions. As soon and someone does not like what i am Saying they tune out the parts we agree on and focus on the parts we don’t agree on. FPC is affordable, it shoots great which i covered, american made, is always a good. But not always the best. The magazine mechanism poor at best.j appreciate your contribution to the conversation.

@@rdrgear it’s not that we disagree, it’s your reasoning. A good company make an affordable gun, that can be stored easily and provides more accurate firepower than any pistol and it appears very relatable, and you don’t like it because of how it stores extra mags….makes no sense. It didn’t have to store ANY mags and you don’t have to use it. And ALL PCCs have safeties….am I wrong? It’s a rifle! You didn’t knock because it’s inaccurate, because it jams, because it’s unsafe, or because you can’t shoot it which all those would be critical design flaws….but no, you don’t like how it stores mags It’s affordable, comes with a case, backstraps and mags and it’s American made…..but you want to say it’s a novelty. With the right ammo, It would be perfect for school security. I can’t trust you judgement on any gun now because your reaction to this new gun was ridiculous….you don’t have to like it, but a novelty?

Did you listen to the review? I clearly stated how well it shot and how I like the way trigger and grip. I was very surprised at how well it shot.

U shouldnt have a truck gun. Thats how criminals get guns. Be more responsible

It’s easy to understand “He” created the video. Don’t like it make your own quit crying.

@@10oneryou shouldn’t have a car that’s how criminals steal cars.

Well, I fully understand what you are conveying. It's about the mag storage which these four commenter's have missed the point on. I stand with you in that the mag storage/release was not thought out before making it for public. I can see the mag storage in a 45 degree slant with two buttons, one for each mag drop, would make it easier for deployment.

I totally agree. He’s not the only “reviewer” nitpicking about STORAGE. Someone else also commented and asked if they plan on using this weapon for combat…I know there are pros & cons on just about every tool but some people strongly gripe about the silliest thing. IT’S FOR STORAGE! (like you said, “GET A VEST!”)

You don't have to "remember", you have to train so you don't need to remember.

Exactly! Guy sounds like a little girl............

If i had to only speak about the good things about a firearm to keep people happy. I would close this channel tomorrow. The fact is this, you and i both know the backwards release is an issue. It may not be as big of an issue for you as it is for me. Imagine this. What if your every day carry gun. Had a magazine release where you had to pull the mag release button, instead of push? - And you are correct. No one is using these for “combat”. But the manual Of arms for this weapon is still backwards. The FPC is sub par band aid fix to the pistol brace issue, and an non taxable option for those wanting a SBR. With none of the performance of an SBR.

I agree. I've heard people bash on this. To me, it makes perfect sense. People just need to know their manual of arms for all of their Weapons. They are all different.

Did you watch the video?! Pretty sure if covered all the topics you just mentioned. The functionality of the FPC overall has flaws. Was my point. The FPC will make a great cabin, or camp plinker. And that’s about it

And that’s just IMO.

Amen. It shoots like a laser at 100 yards. Who the hell cares if the mag holder isn't tactical enough. 2000 rounds+ and it hasn't barfed once. Not once.

@@SgtHulkasToe like I said. If you want a cabin plinker on the cheap. The FPC is great option.

@@rdrgear You, too, have flaws...as do we all. But most of us manage to engage without a sour look on our face.

I am happy you like it. It’s sub par for Me.

I have no finger nails and have no problem pulling down the mag release at all - way to much crying about the release

@@sickleshop Yep.

I am not concerned much about mag release as in Canada mags are 10 only. But I would like to have ability to put them into storage facing other side up.

@@dansu3586 I'm Canadian also and you'll have to be good at mag changes since we have to do them more often due to the crappy capacity limits.

1. I’m pretty sure I praised the FPC on accuracy and reliability. 2. I mentioned the carbon because I was shooting suppressed, were you? 3. I had zero malfunctions. Not sure what you are referring to there. 4. I have been in the retail side of guns for 25years the kel-tec sub2000 has not been a thought for the last decade. I am very aware of the benefits of the FPC over the Kel-Tec that’s why the FPC had a Red fit and a light. No one is shooting a kel-tec or a folding 9mm pcc in any steal challenge match. I literally laughed out loud when I read that. My review was my review, it’s free content for you to consume. The FPC will sell because it it’s price. And the fad of bag guns. There are things on it just don’t like. If I’m going to run a 9mm at any pcc match I will used one of my dedicated 9mm pcc guns for that. I really hope you don’t believe this is a model by s&w for the pcc competition market.

@@rdrgear I liked your video and watched it all. Cant we all just be friends?

@@DisclosureTvNews we are friends. Remember there is no tone in text. I appreciate the interaction. I will be curious to if other versions if the FPC get released at shot show. Or if Kel-Tec comes back with an updated version.

Missing the point of the review and why I brought it up. But I appreciate the work around.

@@rdrgearI wouldn’t say he missed the point at all. Just pointed out an other option to a very real flaw you pointed out. What’s wrong with mlok or pic rail QD swivel mounts for a sling? Legit question, I have one and looking into this now.

This seems like a great solution, gonna try it out this week!

@@jacobbeaton6611 i could not get The fpc to fold and lock using the a mlok qd mount

That’s what I was just commenting and the jack ass of this channel tried to make me look stupid. "Oh no blah blah blah

Uh. That's why it's called a review.

I am very familiar with it. If you don’t see the issue with the mag system. You shooting your buddies for a few rounds. Is a very small sample size of experience.

Also. My criticism was not based on familiarity. It was based on function of the features.

I agree............. this guy is a real knucklehead..

Thats fair. You disagree with me and that’s totally ok.

Lol. Did you guys even listen to me. Did you HEAR me explain the backwards operation. My god, I gave an honest non-shill opinion and you guys are all but hurt.

Sounds like your butt hurt.

The storage idea is not new. Mags have been attached to carbines for decades. My issue was with the how the mags were released. If you want reviews, where nothing is wrong and it all amazing comments. I’m not the guy. I have been in this industry for 28 years. Im not just saying nice shit so i can get free guns. - The FPC is innovative and cool. It’s super accurate, i am a m&p fan. The FPC has design flaws. That’s just facts. 🤙

On Board storage is not something that is a feature that’s a need for most.

Thank you!

💯 true the mag storage it is what makes the gun unique.

Valid statement, but its still a very poor execution of mechanism.

My only issue with using the supplied QD mounting points. Was the position of the rifle when it was slung from those points. Very little positive control. And the off angle of the rifle. QD points could have had more development time

Right on!!

It's was not the mag storage it was the mag release activation. I assume you don't own one

Pretty much. If if I was to have a go to 9mm. The FPC is bottom of that list for far more reasons. I would simply use one of my 9mm AR’s.

Agreed. How is a feature not usually seen a deal breaker? Very disappointed in this review. Reliable and great shooter is not a novelty.

@@keiththibodeau8607 that’s the great thing about this platform. The content is consumed for free by the viewer and we will not always disagree. My reviews are based on practical end user views. Not the novelty or niche things about a system or product. The FPC shoots amazingly well. It’s super accurate platform. Which I cover in the review, this not a defensive deployable 9mm carbine platform. It lacks in the bag deployment area. It’s low cost mostly plastic construction. Is a benefit and a negative. At the end of the day it is a novelty, on board storage has been done for decades with carbine. It’s a great shooter, great plinker for the cabin or camper gun. As I mentioned that’s what’s great about this platform. I don’t have to just say awesome great things about everything that I purchase for this channel. And the consumer of this content and I won’t always agree. Thanks for the watch and the comment Keith.

Exactly

1. Its mot a rifle. 2. Training is a safety

@rdrgear ok 👍 👌 Totally agree training is #1 I'm saying. If you are carrying it say slung like on your chest. Without a safety and something hits the trigger. That's why the safety is there. And 16 inches is rifle length. It's considered a rifle.

It IS a rifle @@rdrgear

That’s actually a great safety feature for those brain farts. But, this guy is an asshat looking for views😊

I hope you enjoy it. Not everyone likes pineapple on their pizza.

I probably could have had Walmart sponsor this video. Connect to their customers.

@@rdrgear When you have to result to insulting your viewers, you’ve already lost.

@@johngreer146 gun is ok at best. Review was 100% honest. And just one opinion.

The S&W FPC is also very accurate as well, at my age(64) accurate 50 yard shots with a semi-auto pistol isn't happening consistently , but I am very accurate with the FPC at 50 yards without a magnified red dot optic, just a cheapo Sitemark Red Dot,I really am thinking about unloading some of my 9mm semi-auto pistols and buying the new Response by S&W just because I enjoy shooting the 9mm in a carbine format so much more and the Grandchildren prefer the FPC as well over pistols !

I just purchased one of these and had this happen when doing an initial cleaning, (pulled the bolt out, set it down, picked it up and saw a pin sitting there) I cleaned and reassembled everything. Do you think this would necessitate sending it in?

Was not complaining about the extra rounds. I was complaining about the mechanical design of the mag release.

Why would you need to shoot skunks? 😂

@@Natrist2 Your emoji says it all. (One of them sprayed my wife's car in the driveway. Was up 'til after midnight trying to clean it. That stuff dries and most cleaners won't dissolve it. Weird!

@@GeezerWheels They don't normally spray without reason and it might be illegal to shoot them, depending on the laws where you live. I hear a solution of sodium carbonate, peroxyde, water and dishwashing soap will quickly get rid of the smell.

@@Natrist2 GREAT suggestion for cleaner - I'll have try that. My store brand spray cleaner was useless. Some years we have real skunk problems - large numbers. They come up on my deck like they own the place - not good for our cats. They also carry diseases. Our veterinarian says if you have outdoor cats you should get rid of skunks and raccoons at the house. I have nothing against either, but both are problems on our deck. There is an abundance of them this entire county, so I don't feel to bad taking out a few. Thanks for the cleaner recipe!!!

Defeats the purpose of the design. Finding a work around was not the point. Just my .2 Cents

@@rdrgear I get it and just purchased one of the S&W 9mm M&P carbines, and I immediately new that the only thing I would use the stock magazine holder was to transport. Once deployed those magazine go in my back pocket or a magazine holder. I agree with you on the design and it is very awkward and it would cause extreme reloading delays, not good, but a good use of transport space.

It’s was most annoying. And most of the other reviews as free gun reviews. And or paid by S&W

Single point slings on a cop rifle that might get shot and deployed 6-8 times a year. iPhone 5’s still work to. And once again. Do you have a FPC. Most who have commented do not. And once again my point was the design of the mag release. Not a manual of arms issue.

@@rdrgear yes I have one I have no sling. On my ar15 all have. An adaptable single point dual point adaptable sling. If I put a sling on this carbine I will use the same one. That type of sling has served me well. Do to the fact I can't see slinging up for a precision shot wit a 9mm ot would be more used to free my hands up which a single point would work fine. This is what it is. So many people try to turn everything into an assault weapon .this is a truck gun, a get home gun not something to take out enemy bunkers

@@lawdogdaddyusa1255 99% you are the only person I have ever heard use the term enemy bunkers. Lmao

@@rdrgear trying to be politically correct for all you Walter Mittie's

@@lawdogdaddyusa1255 I’m gonna have to google that.

I Agree

You could use nah dot really.

Pratt sure I said all those things. “I can’t figure out how to use the mag release”. Did you watch the review? Innovative? Tell me you don’t shoot a lot of guns without telling me you don’t shoot a lot of guns.

@@rdrgear could it have been more "intuitive" and easier to use? Probably, and probably would have added to the cost vs the simple rocker arrangement. All I can say is good thing you never worked on chryslers in the 70s where one side wheel nuts were right hand thread and the left side was left hand thread lol You'd break more bolts than my brother (and he broke a TON of them hahah) It's kind of like how some ratchets you turn the knob left to tighten and right to loosen and some to the right to tighten and left to loosen. I've encountered this before in all sorts of situations. Given enough demand I'm sure someone will make an upgrade so you press a right button to release the right hand mag and left to release the left. I'm this > < close to buying one, maybe I'll work on that. What would you prefer? a button you press? a knob you pull? a lever?

The eye relief would probably be too far forward for a prism type optic.

@@rdrgear I was afraid of that but wanted to confirm. Thanks for the input 😎👍

You just basically repeated what I said in the review. So thank you for watching. In my opening statement I wanted this to be a great option for LE and civilians alike. As i stated. - I also discussed how accurate the FPC shoots and that I like the trigger, the frame mounted safety not so much. On Board mag storage has been around since the Vietnam era. When dudes were taping mags together. This is new to a PCC and it was not very well thought out. As I stated. - It was not about the speed of the mag release it was the backwards operation of the release also I stated. In regards to the other reviews. Most received the gun for free so take that for what it’s worth. But as same as those other reviews. I have the FPC high praise for accuracy function and trigger. It was a YT review so the reliability is solid, I feel to get a handle on that it would require alot more range time or a 1000 round test. - This is KZfaq. I share my opinions, that’s what you tube is for. It’s free content. To discuss random things. Thanks for watching.

@@rdrgear OK, I get it. I keep a G19 on the nightstand but my accuracy with it (even with a red dot) was not nearly as good as it was when putting it in a MCK conversion and using it shoulder braced. Since I am now not able to have that system, this 16" barrel 9mm looks like a good home defense replacement to the Glock once the reliability is well confirmed. I would choose a light/laser combo for it for home defense.

@@jmartin5607 fair points. 1. Pistol accuracy can always be overcame with training. 2. You can invest in other measures for your home defense. The plan should be for them to not even want to try your house! 3. You will always have better accuracy with more points of contact. As you have found with your brace use. As much as the ATF sucks. If you want to Form 1 /4. One of your weapons the process is not hard. 4. Before I would invest in a laser. I would invest in a red dot and a weapon light. You will be surprised how much of a advantage a red dot can give you. 5. As I said earlier training. Training will overcome any issues you Jane with firearms. The cost of the FPC. Could fund you a 1000 rounds and some pistol training in your local area. Just something to chew on. And thank you for the engagement, and the watch

@@rdrgear Well, I am an old fart and the eyes are not what they used to be. Weight is important for me and I like the weight ( the lightness) of the FPC. Acquiring a red dot in a home defense scenario will take me second OR two with possible bleary eyes and the rifle must be raised in firing position as well. Then I have to turn the light on too. With a light/laser, I can have both aids on with one button and shoot the rifle from the hip if I have to as the laser will guide the shot. Seems faster to me. I have a light laser on my shotgun and that set up looks to be good, easy and fast to bring into action. This is a home defense scenario only. I have a red dot on my Glock and it just takes me a little longer to see the dot and get the light on that's also on the Glock. It's a shake to wake Holosun. As for training, I used to go shoot several times a week but since I began having vocal chord and breathing issues, I cannot stand a lot of gunpowder and lead smell at the range. Outdoor is better but it's over 100 degrees here in Texas at daytime now. I am still confident to hit center mass with a G19 at 10 yards anyway.

@@jmartin5607 I would just get a PSA 16 inch ar for home defense tbh. Cheaper mags, less chance of overpenetration, better manual of arms. This PCC is more for truck gun applications

I am happy you are happy with it.

40 would be nice. 10mm with a metal handguard and that magazine storage fixed would be better

@@SilentWatcher594 All valid points. Nothing we review are Assault weapons. Because 1 you tube does not like it. And al of the rifles we review are semi auto. We may bring out the fun switch stuff again soon.

​@rdrgear My bad choice of words,,,assault rifle...I didn't mean a full auto, weapon of war. I just meant that for the money, it's a decent short range, self defense, backpack, plinking rifle. Thanks for the video.

@@SilentWatcher594 100%. If I had kept the FPC I would have for sure kept it for the cabin gun. I appreciate the watch. 🤙

I have not. I did not end up keeping the FPC

I see. I will keep mine. It's very accurate and a joy to shoot carbine.

100%.

Did you proof read this? I think you were angry when you wrote this.

The button release is backwards. That's the issue

To balance the release of the onboard magazines, I must say that I found that pushing the opposite lever to release either one seemed odd to me too at first. 17 rounds is as many as you might have in a handgun in a defensive situation. In addition, you have greater stability during the incident. As a field gun, it is not an issue, and if pressed, I'd be willing to fight with that first mag. So maybe the bigger mag is my start, and if I have time to prepare, I move to keep them on my body, just like my handgun before moving forward. My thoughts on the lever tend to agree it would be better as he says, but if I jump out of the truck, I do know I've got 63 rounds, gotta like that. The fact that the lever doubles to allow field stripping, with fewer parts to break, is also a positive. I think its best feature is how compact this thing is, and not needing to remove accessories is a good thing too. I really like how light it is. My only gripe is, S&W really should send everybody a kit to attach a sling, and get to work designing that problem away, and it seems the mag release buttons should be two separate buttons facing with the stock so that the mags spring toward you versus 90 degrees against the stock. They could fix that, and I wouldn't mind buying the upgrade. All in all, I am very happy with this one, and hopefully, it only comes out for fun, or maybe a coyote or snake.

@@donaldschneider3896 Don, that is the most well balanced and articulate rebuttal I have had the pleasure of reading. And from your post I can tell you actually own the FPC. Man I hope you subbed to the Chanel. I would love to have you around on the other reviews we have posted and future reviews. Thank you. Jeff

It’s not an issue. The design makes perfect sense. It’s an unwillingness to train with the product

@@mikejmardis no, the design is flawed, its backwards. And sure anyone can build a workaround… i did not review the work around.

Not tracking on the question.

@@rdrgear sorry, do the Half Slot Rail Covers snap into place? or do I need to pull the handguard

MLok rail system

You don’t need to pull anything they just go right onto the hand guards using the MLOK system

A lot more cool factor and access to accessories with the ruger charger. I would go ruger

I own both platforms. I recommend purchasing both for how little they cost 👍🏻

@@karlk2737 or one quality 9mm carbine.

Ruger is way too heavy, more expensive and has issues with jamming. Check Iraqveteran8888 and other videos that show consistent issues. If you’re looking for a fun gun to shoot and use for home defense, this is for you. If you want to be tacticool and hang a bunch of useless crap on it go with an AR-15. Stay away from videos that can make a 20 minute video about how a single shot 22 isn’t tacticool enough; it isn’t meant to be. This is a great lightweight gun that can go under the seat of your truck, be carried discreetly in a nondescript bag, etc. Don’t listen to tacticool guys more interested in hanging hardware than having fun. This isn’t the weapon you use to fight a war but you can defend yourself and your home with it. It’s very accurate and the money you save on this one you buy ammo, a light or other accessories.

I have a Ruger 9 MM. Reflex sight and a laser. I really like it. Very accurate a 200 yrds.

That could definitely be a popular upgrade.

Great insight, well written thank you. The can on these is always going To be somewhat of an issue. Especially indoors. The 9mm shield mags probably won’t work and they are a different shape then the M&P mags, even though the shield it part of the M&P line up. Thanks for the engagement. I hope to you around in other reviews. Jeff