It seems, in conclusion, that wedges provide a lot of speed, but not a lot of torque. Having wedges on the opposite side of the pipe-pieces provides more torque, but less speed (because of friction).

I love how much wedge-gang has evolved considering that it started as basically a meme!

I am a programmer, I can explain how this works/why this happens (theoretically). All objects have a hitbox and a boundary box collision. Boundary box collision is separate from hitbox as hitboxes is a cube that depicts the X,Y,Z of potential collisions (collisions can be any shape inside the hitbox), this is what the boundary box is for, to visualize that. For physics to work, when one objects collision is breaching the collision of another object, the 2 objects repel eachother from the point of where the breach occurs. This is how objects can "touch" without overlapping. The closer to center of mass, the more force they push away with. A 45 degree wedge is the closest you can get to center of mass because the center of the boundary box is already at the surface rather than inside the geometry (collision). What is happening is that the 2 objects are constantly having a breach and are trying to exit from being inside eachother. The wedge is being pushed back and up while the top of the wheel is being pushed forward and down. Due to the hinge, the top of the wheel can only be pushed forward OR down, not both. With the wheels position being locked there, the wheel cannot exit from being slightly inside the collision of the wedge, meaning normally, the wedge would be the one to exit the intersecting collision. . . except while the wedge is being exited out of the wheel, the piston is pushing it back inside the wheel collision as soon as it exits. This then causes a constant loop of repeating the issue thus causing the process of "exiting" to constantly keep repeating. . . resulting in the top of the wheel always trying get away from the being inside the wedge thus creating constant motion due to the wheel constantly trying to escape the intersecting collision.

Instead of one piston for 5 wedges, what about 5 pistons with 1 wedge each? I think they'd be able to adapt to axle movement better

At this point, wedges are so powerful that newton himself agrees that they aren’t affected by the laws of motion. *physics 100*

This "Wedge Glitch" could potetially be usefull for making infinite fuel cars in survival🤔 Edit: although you have to mad to use it as your only power source.

I love how someone probably tried to make a braken system, and they just started going quicker

12:07 looks like your wheels are spinning in opposite directions which would make sense since you should need wedges on the back of one side and the front of the other side to make both wheels spin the same way, but then it worked so who knows?

You should test Duct Corner power. Curve Crew cannot be left unnoticed... OOh God 160 likes in about a day.

So alt title: wedge king gets confused by the physics of his creations Also wedge powered race for MM?

The guy who created the Wedge Powered Car deserves serious Wedge Gang appreciation

i think the main problem with your wedge powered car is the weight due to its overall size... also potentially because doing it from a pipe to a wheel is less effective than direct wheel contact with wedges? scrap mechanic physics are confusing tbh

This really goes to show that wedges are superior to bricks.

I wonder do the wedges work similar to gear reduction where more wedges = more speed but less torque, and less wedges = less speed but more torque?

As a person who is learning game-development, I can tell: Every object on collision experiences translational and rotational forces. The translation forces cancel out because they are on same entity, so the rotational forces should also cancel out, but due to the nature of collision correction the linear force from the piston gets calculated into an unpredicted rotational force on the wheel.

Your wedge science basically discovered ⚙️ gears. You could add wedges to the top coming down and you could have each side having multiple pistons on different buttons, one being bricks for brakes, different wedges hitting from different extended piston lengths, could have your pistons pulse in and out to give you a boost. The gear possibilities are amazing. The workshop should fill up.

17:55 I was really thinking you're gonna put another wedge up there. If top wedge works you can even make a row of wedge powered axles since its a lot more space efficient

I have a theory. 1)The faster the wedge spins something the less torqe it has wich explains why the wedge powered car™ is slower but it moves. 2)you put pipe-pipe-pipe-conrete on your testing wall but you didnt in the wedge powered car™. In conclusion i feel like if you put less wedges on the rear shaft the car will probably move slower but it will have more torque. Ill boot up scrap mechanic and see if my theory works.

I was an OG Wedge gang myself, but not from your gang. I was obsessed by Wedge way before you because how professional Wedge is, then i realized that im not the only one who thinks the same so i joined ur gang. So this video is basically a treat for me

I think the double speed system acts kinda like a gearing system in a way so it should increase torque but decrease speed, also you should add a 3rd set of wedges on the top for a 3rd gear instead of a break, and maybe you can fit a 4th gear in the future by lifting the creation somehow.

10:10 I think that this is an absolute magnificent of a moment to consider. You can have gears. With a bit of logic, you can have 1-5 botons forward an 6 backwards.

In your build the key factor I think you were forgetting is the weight on the sides of the axel. It had been shown to make it better in your testing so it might make sense to try on the car.

I would love to see a special episode one day where ScrapMan tests weird scrapmechanic glitches like this in real life.

Imagine what glitches will appear when they add the dragable slopes

honestly why dont we just make generators like this IRL? free eco freindly energy smh

So this is FREE INFINITE energy? Here's my question. . . does this work in survival? If it does, this is TOTALLY going to break the chapter update xD

It's incredible what new energy sources can scientist and researchers discover with the help of modern technology! We're on the verge of a breakthrough in science and engineering, and it's even 100% eco friendly

"Hey, what kinda engine does your car have?" "Oh, just the 45° standard wedge."

Maybe test if the piston being on one side (like on the wall) gives more power than when it is in the middle of the wedges.

What about concave wedges? Also bricks are definitely reverse: go backwards & are slow.

This shows how much fun people had experimenting with real life physics back in the day! I guess the same still applies now with some aspects of physics, like quantum mechanics

We need more of wedge power! Idk... made multiplayer monday with this concept? WEDGE POWER NEEDS TO BE EXPLORED MORE!!!

T E A R D O W N!

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I never knew i needed to see a 'wedge wedge tank, powered by wedge, made by wedge, for wedge, inspired by wedge, brought to a channel near you by wedge'

ScrapMan is learning the difference between Torque and velocity. Next task is to build a manual transmission.

newton’s first law of wedgecanics: “i have no idea how these things work but they sure do like to make circular things spin”

I don’t know why but this wedge science brings me so much joy.

All the while the scientific community is so focused on the new space telescope, and solid state batteries, when Wedge technology is here and NOW! Wedge Power is the future!

Scrap Mechanic science time! I noticed in the original wedge powered car you showed off before the wedge was pushing directly against a 3x3 wheel vs a 1x1 pipe on this vehicle, and it made me wonder how radius affects torque vs speed and how it compared when loaded vs no load. TL;DR - 5x5 wheels are better for most practical uses, more wedges = more torque/speed, and driving a smaller radius wheel once you're up to speed doesn't really work like you'd think it should. Also pipes are weird. I did some testing on my own and found that 1x1 pipes are definitely the fastest but they do not have great torque, while 5x5 wheels aren't fast but have a lot of torque. Which is as you would expect. However, when loaded things get weird. I built a simple vehicle out of wood with 2 pipe, 2 small wheels, and 1 large wheel, all connected to each other on a single bearing so the large wheel is the only one touching the ground, and each with a single piston pushing 2 wedges into it from the back. The first thing I noticed is that pipes spin the opposite direction than you expect under load - I had to flip my wedges upside down to make them go forward. But even with a pretty small, lightweight vehicle, pipes alone could only barely get the thing moving. Small wheels were also kind of weird in that sometimes they went backwards or stuck in place and sometimes they moved forward. They were able to get the vehicle going a little better than pipes, but not really. Large wheels are definitely where it's at, they got the vehicle going no problem, and had even better torque/speed when I doubled up the pistons (one back, one top, pushing a total of 4 wedges). This is probably the most practical way to make a vehicle move, especially as they get heavier. One other thing I tried is that because of my setup (with all 3 sets of wheels connected to each other) is that once you get it going with the large wheel, I could toggle on the others in tandem. Adding small wheels did nothing, maybe even slowed it down a bit, but adding pipes did speed it up some. Not a huge amount, but noticeable. However, the main thing I wanted to try is switching to pipes once I got up to speed, like using a higher gear, and it didn't really work out. It sped it up a little bit at first but then lost speed fairly quickly. It didn't completely stop for a little bit, but it didn't work as I hoped. I plan to do more testing when I have more time, and will edit this comment with anything new.

It would be cool to have a special episode themed around science and explaining wedge power mechanics, showcasing each aspects of their weird behavior. Maybe you could collaborate with someone who knows how the physics work. PS: Challenge idea, create vehicle that moves at walking speed and put stuff on it as it moves ahead without you through obstacles. Whether the player manually or the vehicle automatically avoids them is optional. The fastest time wins.

I sure hope they add wedges to the survival portion so you can make a wedge-only survival series, replacing as much stuff as possible with this spooky science

merry christmas scrapman

14:18 when he did something i was thinking about hahaha

I think this whole mechanic works, cause the wedge makes a little bit of contact with the wheel or pipe and the wheel/pipe tries to escape with the touch point and gets a little bit "floppy" so it looses the contact and hits the wedge again. The suspension on his first car compensated this effect, so the pipe didn't get so floppy and the force was to low. That's my assumption, which could be the reason, why one of the fastest tests on the wall produced dust and clearly bounced of the wedge. It's only my theory, I'm supposed to buy scrap mechanic, only to verify this behaviour. Sry for my bad english, if something is unclear, let me know and I'll try to explain it in another way^^

thats so insane amazing work with that glitch

Merry Christmas to u guys and happy holidays

he has ascended his knowledge of the wedge

Merry Christmas !

KSP has the Kraken, Space Engineers has Clang, and now Scrap Mechanic has the Wedge

I love how the comment section is actually full of intellectuals. man, this community is awesome

Almost thought this was a Graystillplays video, it was a perfect example of "We don't need physics where we're going".

Merry Christmas eve scrap man i watched since before the explosive canisters and pistons were in the game

I think this is because of collision physics, when the wedge is shoved into an object on a unpowered bearing it tries to push both objects away from each other, and the bearing converts x/y velocity to rotational velocity. It doesn’t explain why the direction changes with the weight (somewhat randomly as well).

Two things 1. Does coming off with wedges from one side like you did on the wall have more power than extending wedges on either side of the piston like you did on the car? 2. I've been meaning to suggest/request for a survival theme a no engine them (gas or electric) like only using piston or controllers to power anything. I think unconventional builds would really force some lateral thinking and creativity.

Multiplayer Monday idea: block powered cars, so you’d build cars that get their wheels powered by building blocks such as wedges, bricks, etc. I mean… sounds fun to me.

Thanks to this video I have now made multiple prototypes of survival vehicals that use wedge power, including a large mobile base with independant suspension at every corner and powered solely by wedges. Soon I'm going to make an even larger mobile base with more wheels and more wedges. Oh, wedge power tip, don't do a weird pipe axle, just put the wedge-piston right on the wheel.

Scraman: makes a flywheel Also Scrapman: stop, stop!

wedge is so powerful that you can make a 20 min video out of it and the entire video would just be about wedges

alternative title: ScrapMan discovers the difference between torque and speed

happy christmas eve!

Merry Christmas to everyone

More of this please

Looking at your testing explains why your wheels weren't going fast in your creation. Remember "farther away from the pressure point-it increases the speed" The four wedges had blocks stacked before you put the bigger weight on. However, in your creation you had the four wedges followed by the wheel right away instead of stacking more pipes or block.

future experiments: it has fast rpms and low torque, maybe put a lower gearing with some kind of gears fir more torque? different angle of the wedge? more pistons? put the mug/cylinder on a bearing too? add many more of the wedge engines on it and connect them with gears?

I definitely would like to see another one of these videos on this. I definitely want to see what happens with more pistons, does the force do better spread evenly, does allowing the extra mass to flex offset to the bearing allow for more speed? Also using triangles directly to wheels, since the original wedge car used it I wonder if it'll give more torque? Would applying the triangles sideways to the wheels be a better brake? Someone also suggested individual pistons to each triangle and also that one of the wheels my be spinning backwards? And that's why it won't move from a standstill on one but idk. Also what chaos comes when you turn down the physics?! 👀💥

Intressting science... XD Do you think there will be Wedge powered hypercars someday XD

If I remember correct, piston speed determines strength, not the distance slider. Think of it as changing a springs length as opposed to a springs “speed to extend”. You may get more speed from the car if you set your piston speed higher, but you may want to remove the gap between the wedges and axle (make them touch always), otherwise you may get some axle slapping, and potentially clip straight through.

I love Scrap Mechanic's pyshics

Man im gonna build a wedgepower car in survival really soon! This is even better than piston engines. Wait... are wedges in survival yet? Kinda forgot...

All we need now is for the devs to say "this is a feature, not a bug" so this can become allowed in "no glitch" competitions lol

I have a theory about how it works. bearings have a tendency to wobble when there’s a lot of weight on them and rotate quickly. However when you put the wedges further from the bearing it would prevent the wobble and lower the rotation speed. So maybe putting more weight away from the bearing and test how many wedges you could get away with before it starts loosing speed might give better results.

Hey dude i just got on Scrap Mechanic and watched this so im gonna try it!

“With small wedge comes great responsability“ -Spidermans Onkle probably

On your next multiplayer Monday you should do a challenge where you can’t use an engine. This can be your secret weapon. Merry Christmas!

Scrapman you forgot if you put wheels further away it will go slower and more wedges does create more power but then the wheel is further away so its not worth having more wedges, and merry Christmas!BTW

So, after doing some eyes in the comments, I've perfectioned my ideas, got some out, and got some new ones. First, make the car smaller, shorter and lighter so the low torque can send the high speed easily. Second, check if the wheels are spinning same way. Third, make some wedges not to move without another button so you can have gears. Fourth, put the concrete extension, since they change the gravity mass abusing better the physics. Fifth, try using bricks for rear gear. Sixth, avoid making it tall for having less necessity for springs and less trouble.

Well that's really interesting. It seems like part of the effect might have to do with bending through the bearing. Makes me think this is just a slight repackaging of the same simplification flaws that led to the suspension glitch.

18:33 I CANT STOP LAUGHING 😂😂😂😂

Congrats to reaching out for 666k subscribers

A race with wedge powered cars would be so cool

Wedge Power is a mysterious force that should not be messed with and is dangerous when in the wrong hands.

Perhaps you could make some serious “gear” mechanisms (reverse, drive, normal, and park) for cars, I can see the potential, and Kahn really is gonna just be like “BUT bRICKS WORK”

I’ve got some Ideas which could work 1. Maybe you could add some concrete (or other) blocks to extend the axle and then put the wheel, could make it faster like in the tests 2. If it behaves like in the test with the long axle and the big wheel, it might be help using a wedge-brick wheel (like an octagon) 3. You also could try using a bit less Wedge's to get more top speed because of less friction as we saw with just one pair of wedges vs two pairs (wedge transmission) 4. With the 3. Idea you could possibly make an wedge transmission with even more ‘gears‘ getting less torque but more top speed (like @Mr. Night already said) Hopefully this might help : ) #WedgeGang

Maybe after the pipes end, you should add a few blocks and that will make you go faster? Similar to the last engine you made while testing. I am not sure, just an idea.

I remember a Swedish youtuber called "Stamsite" accidently creating that in one of his videos, it was a piston powered car challange where he didnt wanna make an engine so he wanted to push the wheels with blocks, and accidently discovered that glitch. I think it was in like 2019 or 2020, just thought id add that if someone has had a similar experience. Also you forgot to test the concave wedges and duct corners.

going from a meme to a power source, wedges are definitely the superior engine

As a space engineers player, I'm happy to see the lord of clang exists literally everywhere

I paused at 2min 58 sec to make this comment, I believe the reason why it spins slower when you add weight vs having that same weight and starting it is because the game recalculates the "forbidden momentum" after you add weight (also is probably low torque due to how the power is being generated). I've seen similar physics glitches in other games such as trackmania, in that game when you change directions of the tires very quickly the game engine multiplies the force instead of calculating the proper drag/resistance. Given how that games physics work i'd assume the reason that the applied forces with the piston creates a spinning motion is due to the piston extending and bouncing back in small increments repeatedly in the same place. I'd also assume that if that is indeed the case then this mechanism/glitch will not work once there is too much play because there will not be a consistent repetitive force in the same location. Probably resulting in the piston and slope bouncing all over the place(as i watched further i saw this was the reason for the issue when you had suspension even though it is not precicely how i explained it). Givin that assumption I am guessing that the location of the square piece that you will soon use may not work unless you have the cube at a slope since the force on the flat surface will be in the center of the wheel instead of at an angle where it acts like a slope. But I suppose I will figure that out when I continue the video. Also, I love your content. Keep doing what you do!

Welcome to wedgelogy with Scrapman

I was literally thinking of brick power yesterday!

This experiment thing is awesome :DDD Who would believe this is true power of WEDGE :D

It looks like pushing anything into a wheel cause a force multiplier. The direction of spin seems to be determined by the current rotational momentum of the wheel upon contact. Cycling the piston while its rotating causes the multiplier to recalculate.

Looks professional

So you basically created gears. The more that are engaged, the lower the speed, but higher the torque/power. It also seems to be pretty consistent. I would be interested to see if you did a 4 gear design, if that would have more torque than an engine or two, and be able to move more weight over flat terrain, or uphill. Could basically be a semi for SM.

Wedges are like the probability space ship in A Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. Idk how fast they gonna go but they will definitely go.

I'm only 4 minutes in, but I just realized that if you get wedges from a warehouse, they can act as a really great infinite engine for survival mode!

I propose to call this newly found physic as Wedge Force

When you do understand Wedge Power, put it to the test, in a survival series, no gas or electric engine for your vehicles.

You know how train wheels are synchronized to move in sync? Maybe you could use the same system to give the wheels contacting the ground power from more wedge-pistons. If it works, you would achieve much higher speeds and torque.