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@klausklaus91127 жыл бұрын
...amazing how clear and comprehensive a speech is when the speaker actually knows what he is talking about... thank you very much Tom, for the time you took sharing your thoughts... for the kindness to offer your expertise... really enjoyed all of your videos... cheers mate
@adrianleman51584 жыл бұрын
Thanks Tom always like your honesty about golf design.
@norbertx94152 жыл бұрын
Mr Wishon is a master of his art. I use his irons (565MC) and they are the best I have ever played.
@peterpyrreb4707 жыл бұрын
Informative and honest advice, as always. Thank you. Peter (UK)
@colinwhite27246 жыл бұрын
Great stuff. So much good sense. Thanks.
@Ryglado9 жыл бұрын
Superb video, as always.
@JimPearsonAUS6 жыл бұрын
All good stuff Tom; however I have never heard anyone in the industry discuss differences in iron head designs, in respect of how difficult or easy it is to square up the club face at impact. Seems to me, despite all the effects you talk about and the blurbs from all manufacturers, this aspect is completely ignored, so should everyone assume that somehow a club head always squares itself? or all club heads, regardless of design, rotate to square at exactly the same rate? That cannot be correct! The fact is that due to centripetal swing forces together, with any additional rotational force applied by a golfer, a club face has to rotate from , usually, somewhat open to the path AND more than 90 degrees open to the target line at halfway through the downswing, to ideally, square at impact, a split second later. If you look at adjustable driver design, the template used by all manufacturers is put the weight towards the heel side of the CG to promote a draw and to the toe for a fade. [ more toe weight = slower closing/squaring rotation, causing the club face to stay open a bit longer in the downswing ] Seems to me that the larger and more toe weighted an iron head is [ or more mass is outside the CG ], the harder it is to rotate that club back to square at impact. Taking that a bit further, if larger, toe weighted club heads are harder to square up, then the less skilled golfers who are encouraged to use these clubs, are those least likely to benefit from the marginal improvements in face "forgiveness" because those benefits don't exist if the face is open at impact. So one conclusion that could be drawn is, if you want a slicer to remain a slicer forever, give him a set of large cavity backs with peripheral weighting that he will struggle to square up! The issue does not go away with more compact cavity back designs, despite the center of mass being at the center of the club face, because if you have virtually no mass behind the center of the face, then there must be more mass in the extreme toe than traditional MB blades. There would be other aspects of club design having a bearing on rates of rotation; eg offset and amount and distance of weight behind the shaft center line. Does initial rotational inertia suddenly turn into quick over rotation from these additional factors? Does this combination of design features actually shorten the time the club head is square to the path? or do some features like these stabilize club head rotation? Ben Hogan designed many clubs in his time and you would know that a unique and repeating feature of those designs was a desire to get some weight high in the toe area, yet even he refrained from moving much to the outer toe end of the club head, so most of his muscle backs had variable thickness in the high toe area. If you are particularly perceptive to what is going on in the industry, you only have to consider the implications of TM's recent statement about the reason they designed their newest muscle back blade, the 730. They said their players wanted low inertia club heads! Think about it! Now in all the tests I have seen comparing OEM's new offerings...take the current Titleist and Mizuno club head options, the testers invariably say, "oh these blades look sweet, then they hit them well with tight dispersion and consistent distance, then say something like " oh but they are a lot smaller and I don't think I can game these" Their comments about the more game improvement irons are all about presumed forgiveness, but their dispersion is often not as good as the blades but the distance is greater, if less consistent, because of jacked lofts and low spin. Then you look at side by side shots of these club heads and the MB's are at least as long heel to toe as many of the other club heads. The differences are mainly where the weight is located. MB's tend to have more mass behind the hitting area, so .... it is my contention that they rotate more naturally because they have less inertia [ less resistance to movement ] than other designs! That is a good thing! There was a test by a Robot of TM PSI clubs a year or so ago on Utube. Toe hit, center hit, heel hit all went the same distance. Impressive. Got to get some of that slot technology eh? What I didn't realize at the time was that this may have been a bit of a "3 card trick" because the robot may have had a vice like grip on the shaft and so always kept the face dead square to the path. That is not replicating any person's swing that I know of, including DJ's and would eliminate the toe lag effect I am talking about here. It is my belief that many more players would actually play better with traditional MB blades. The reasons they don't play them is; a] The OEM's and golfing press have scared them away with tales of difficulty and promises of more help with different designs, because if blades were seen to be the best designs for the majority of golfers, there would be fewer club sales because you just cant differentiate MB designs nearly as much as you can with cavity backs ; and b] Most blades have been made with shafts that are too stiff and too heavy for Joe average, so if he tries a set, new off the shelf or second hand, it will be the shaft that doesn't work, but he wont realize that!. He will hand them back and wont know what he is missing unless he gets the opportunity to try some with say XP 95 Regulars or Modus 3 105 Regulars, or has the good sense and the access to a good fitter like yourself who can fit a set of MB blades properly. I am a senior golfer with a long, past parallel swing who played off 9 - 11 handicap for decades. I now game a set of Titleist 680 MB's [ yes the club heads still played by Adam Scott that are supposed to hit low shots..but actually they don't ] with 95 gram regular steel shafts and they are the easiest clubs I have ever swung [ of the 30 odd sets I have owned over the years ]. My handicap now? 5.6 I enjoy your videos Tom. Keep up the fine work.
@gregschiebel22784 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed both Tom and Jim's post's I am going to get a set of muscle back blades!
@kenbennett94492 жыл бұрын
Tom. Give us your opinions on " one length irons"🤔 it's seems to me it would take a lot of variables out. Plane and ball positions mostly. + lie angles would be more consistent. It seems One would become more comfortable as to where the ball should be in their setup most of the time? Your thoughts on this would be most helpful 🙂🤔👂👂👂
@kourt24694 ай бұрын
He's designed 2 models of one length irons. He's a firm believer in them
@rufussthoo40835 жыл бұрын
Those 771s are nice looking clubs Tom.
@paulfox39774 жыл бұрын
If I might ask a question based on your comments regarding fitting. What happens to the action of the club as your game improves if you’re fitted as a beginner? The same thing as one gets older and ones game deteriorates owing to age. I’ve always bought used clubs when I started to play at 55 am now 65 and play off 12 but now struggling with health issues. I play your 770s but my wife has started to play and is a quick learner. How would you fit for her? Thank you.
@IAMT3XAS9 жыл бұрын
another excellent video. thanks Tom
@mkuhn84812 жыл бұрын
Hello Mr. Wishon, I'm aware that you are now semi-retired and I am not sure if you or someone associated with you checks these comments but if by chance you see do you believe that this video is still current?
@jordanwoolf71928 жыл бұрын
Hello Tom, I work for a golf retail business in the UK. A certain company says that although their lofts have been decreased they still hit the peak trajectory for control due to new technology. So is the loft decrease essential to stop the ball travelling too high ? What are your thoughts ? MANY THANKS
@wishongolfvideo8 жыл бұрын
+jordan woolf Jordan: I'm sorry but that story is BS and simply an excuse for the company to use to try to deflect attention from the sheer fact that ALL loft decrease in irons done over the past 30+ yrs has been done simply to enable golfers to think they hit the ball longer with the same number iron so they become drawn to buy the set. Here's the proof that what they are telling you is BS. If you look at Trackman data for the shot height for every iron in a set, you would see that when shots are all hit perfectly on center, EACH IRON FLIES THE SAME HEIGHT. Yes that is absolutely true. A perfectly hit 3 iron flies the same height as a perfectly hit 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, PW, GW .SW. This happens because as loft increases, the launch angle increases but the ball speed decreases while the spin increases - and as loft decreases the launch angle decreases but the ball speed increases while the spin decreases. So everything balances out with each perfectly hit iron between launch angle and ball speed and spin to generate the same shot height/trajectory for each loft from the 3 iron up to the SW. This is how it has always been regardless if the loft range from 3 iron to SW went from 24 to 56 or in modern times from 18 to 56. So the companies are just trying to blow smoke at you to get you to not think they are lowering lofts to sell more sets on the basis of distance.
@jordanwoolf71928 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the detailed reply!!!
@peterscott19658 жыл бұрын
Hi Tom, superb explanation. Is the Ping "core eye" technology related to the variable face thickness concept you described?
@wishongolfvideo8 жыл бұрын
Thank you Peter. I really do not know about the PING core eye as to whether it is functioning like the variable thickness face technology I speak about. I just do not pay any attention to what the other companies are doing in their head design work so I never see or touch or work with or test any other models of clubheads. The easiest way to know if this is a true functioning variable thickness face is to hit shots on a TrackMan or FlightScope with a 5 iron and look at the smash factor for the hits both on and off center. If the on center hits are 1.45+ and the off center hits are 1.40 or so, then the face is working as a decent variable thickness design.
@peterscott19658 жыл бұрын
Thanks again for all your help and these eye-opening videos.
@TheGeohart8 жыл бұрын
I am curious what are your thoughts on Back weighting on an iron, and a wood butt end , is it a good idea, or just a fad?
@wishongolfvideo8 жыл бұрын
+George Hart Counterweighting as it is more accurately termed is superb for conventional putters but hit or miss, trial and experimentation with full swing clubs. For the putter, TONS, and I mean tons of golfers have improved distance control, reduced push/pull tendency and improved on center hit performance with either an 80g or 100g counterweight right in the very grip end of the shaft. It really can calm down the hands and improve fine motor control with the putter. But with the full swing clubs, it really is not a sure thing for improvement. Some do, many don't and there is no formula for who will and won't gain benefit in the full swing clubs. So it becomes a try it and see, with 20 to 40g being the weight amounts to try.
@TheGeohart8 жыл бұрын
Tom Wishon I want to thank for that really indepth and insightful remarks. I saw a video on youtube about using 1" lead tape on the butt end of a club, and the person said, that using 7" of spirally applied tape is good, I thought, wouldn't that really change the swing weight of a club or would it just cause, the feeling of a light club head, something like the pummel on a sword. Personally, I thought it was too good to be true. So thank you for the information. Especially about the putter!
@rickm12555 жыл бұрын
Not gonna lie, my brain read Iron Maiden and I clicked on it. Stayed and watched the whole thing. lol
@indanekwaffles70743 жыл бұрын
isnt tom wishon a huge eddy fan? you watched but do you golf?
@rickm12553 жыл бұрын
@@indanekwaffles7074 I have no idea if he is. I am an avid golfer so it just kinda worked out! If I remember correctly he also did a very informative video about adjustable hosels, the guy knows his stuff.