The State of Platform Fighters

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gsmVoiD

gsmVoiD

26 күн бұрын

With the news of Riot's platform fighter, Pool Party, getting canned; I decided to rant about the current state of the platform fighter genre and where I think things are right now.
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@deadfr0g
@deadfr0g 23 күн бұрын
The saddest and funniest thing about this entire state of affairs is how it means that Multiversus is _not_ a Smash killer, but it _is_ a Smash killer killer. 😂😭
@Za_Phantom
@Za_Phantom 24 күн бұрын
There is at least one person out there who saw that ahri render on the thumbnail and thought 2xko got canceled when they weren't looking LOL
@Za_Phantom
@Za_Phantom 24 күн бұрын
W vid
@errickwilson4401
@errickwilson4401 24 күн бұрын
Me I’m the one person, and I’ve never been happier to be wrong
@Okami400
@Okami400 24 күн бұрын
No, I thought he was clickbaiting because we know 2xko is not cancelling.
@llamabot9889
@llamabot9889 24 күн бұрын
Me
@enemyk2800
@enemyk2800 24 күн бұрын
my exact thought
@TheRTDZ
@TheRTDZ 24 күн бұрын
It should be noted that it was Multiversus going offline for a year that shut down the LOL platform fighter. They didn’t look at the current state of Multiversus and go “my god, it’s so awful, this proves it can’t be done!”
@Tandran
@Tandran 24 күн бұрын
Exactly, don't forget how broken the net code was and the inability they had to fix ANYTHING. It's honestly pretty good now imho.
@gamist8166
@gamist8166 24 күн бұрын
They shouldn't have went offline for a year. So little actual features came to the game, with many removed like basic damage numbers...
@the_patch_notes
@the_patch_notes 24 күн бұрын
@@TheRTDZ it looks like that’s what people are missing in terms of the article. The tile is misleading in a way
@hovis_esports
@hovis_esports 24 күн бұрын
feel like they’ve decided it’s not feasible to make a f2p platform fighter with a ton of micro transactions without backlash. can guarantee they would’ve been as greedy as wb, if not more. tbh kinda glad we’re not seeing this
@ckorp666
@ckorp666 24 күн бұрын
@@gamist8166 the game lost all its players immediately, noone was buying the horrendously overpriced mtx except a handful of whales, and they still have to run servers 24/7 bc it's server-based rollback. same reason they're gonna shut down the "full release" before too long
@aDSdl_l
@aDSdl_l 21 күн бұрын
Come play melee, where the game dies every week, yet somehow it’s still alive after 20 years
@kcidd12
@kcidd12 10 күн бұрын
facts sf had somewhat the same issue years ago
@bean-charlieartz3138
@bean-charlieartz3138 24 күн бұрын
All of these smash clones have no casual modes for people to enjoy. Casual modes are how you get people to take your game more seriously, casuals eventually turn into hardcore players. All modern fighting games have learned this, which is why Mortal Kombat, Street Fighter 6, and Tekken 8 have sold well. All of these games have a story mode, arcade mode, and mini-games within their broader fighting game. Smash bros is the king of casual fighting fun. And subsequently no other smash clone have any good casual content. NASB 1 had a strong IP and targeted only a hard core fan base and launched extremely bare-bones with no other content than online 1 v 1, Multiverses had a strong IP originally targeted a hardcore audience but had no ranked or causal game modes. NASB 2 had strong IP and somewhat competent game modes, but people felt burn from the bare-bones first game. Rivals 1 sold well and didn't have any good casual content, but it was because of the character creator, it made the game have an everlasting effect on casuals and the hardcore because of that. The issue is these games put competitive as too high of a standard and leave the casual players behind.
@nikkobird590
@nikkobird590 24 күн бұрын
Hopefully devs will realize this because trying to cater your game to competition and not casual just won't work.( Though brawlhalla probably done it I don't think brawlhalla is worth it)
@khariperkins4243
@khariperkins4243 21 күн бұрын
@@nikkobird590 R2 is going to add those modes in. They get it but they know that the true forever players are the competitors.
@414Mufasa
@414Mufasa 20 күн бұрын
And these games also happen to suck, I mean its just my opinion but I can't help but notice that alot of these games are just ass with lackluster rosters NASB was doodoo and 2 put even more irrelevant characters in it than 1 did Multiversus is just not a game to be taken serious lol fun to hop on and play a few cheesy broken matches then hop off vs Smash which coincidently has great characters and is actually polished and fun not every character has an infinite or easy up and out combo they actually have a grab button and ultimates if you want to use them, the parry is better, they actually have a block button its just better
@nikkobird590
@nikkobird590 20 күн бұрын
@@khariperkins4243 yeah but realistically though, who will make up most of the player base? Casuals or competitors?
@khariperkins4243
@khariperkins4243 20 күн бұрын
@@nikkobird590 then don't make the game competitive make it brawl. Lower the skill ceiling. Dan is focused there is a reason the game feels as good as it does and that's not from focusing on flaky ass casuals.
@igoldenknight2169
@igoldenknight2169 24 күн бұрын
Treasure Planet is considered a failure and its one of Disney's best and most unique movies ever.
@coopinacoupetv
@coopinacoupetv 24 күн бұрын
That movie good asf
@BTRshow
@BTRshow 24 күн бұрын
That movie was actually good. MVS was good then turned to pure poo. Treasure planet was never bad at any time, which is the difference. Just poorly judged
@WumpaPie
@WumpaPie 24 күн бұрын
@@BTRshow Bro thinks the dodge spam mess of a Beta was better than what we have now LOL
@Billymaysx
@Billymaysx 24 күн бұрын
@@BTRshow Doesn't matter what you think of current MVS, Treasure Planet was a financial flop and was one of Disney's biggest financial failures. People will warm up to this version in a year just like they did with old MVS.
@BTRshow
@BTRshow 24 күн бұрын
@Billymaysx no way people warm up to this in a year. This isn't just a financial flop, it's a social flop. The monetization ALONE will not make people stay around. The beta had its issues but the monetization and progression in the beta was leagues better. That plus an actual good and busy character release/patch schedule made us fall for the beta. This official game is NONE of that. Telling someone to put in 50-70 hours to unlock the beta characters and 20-30 hours to unlock each new character that most people didn't even ask for is not some genius slow burn plan. It's a disaster that already scared off over %60 of launch players. Along with the game feeling too slow, the lack of arcade content, slow release schedule, and buggy ahh engine, the game will probably be d3ad in the water by holiday season this year. Wicked witch of the west and beetle juice coming out after smith will be the nail in the tone deaf coffin for this game.
@ImSquiggs
@ImSquiggs 24 күн бұрын
Music mixing is insanely loud, I had to stop watching halfway through cause it was too distracting
@geraltofrivia4651
@geraltofrivia4651 24 күн бұрын
Agree with you on that
@FrancoSerrao
@FrancoSerrao 6 күн бұрын
Fr
@JonasJoppeWest
@JonasJoppeWest 24 күн бұрын
Offbrand games publishing Rivals 2 is perfect. Ludwig being involved is huge.
@YeoYolo
@YeoYolo 24 күн бұрын
I think multiversus biggest problem rn is how you get characters. It cannot be this grindy. I played the beta a ton and have all characters. But for the newer players I can see it not being fun as it takes so long to get just one character. Offline and custom NEED to have the full roster.
@ImSquiggs
@ImSquiggs 24 күн бұрын
I won’t even invite new people to play the game with me because getting characters on a brand new account is not even possible for casual gameplay. Not giving fighter currency for normal matches is the #1 reason this game will not make it long term - once the rest of the Beta crew burns out there will be no new players coming to the game
@Tybis
@Tybis 24 күн бұрын
How do they expect to sell skins when new players can't even get the characters in the first place?
@YeoYolo
@YeoYolo 24 күн бұрын
@@Tybis right??
@ElectrifyyHD
@ElectrifyyHD 23 күн бұрын
@@TybisIsn’t the F2P model GREAT??
@YMan-zo5kg
@YMan-zo5kg 23 күн бұрын
Yea you can’t even have people over to play offline like smash unless you buy a ton of characters
@st4pps
@st4pps 24 күн бұрын
honestly i think the only platfighter that actually has a name for itsself as its own thing is Rivals of aether (and also rushdown revolt but thats too small.)
@ixzaluoh8997
@ixzaluoh8997 24 күн бұрын
lol rush down is a failed game since they mad another game that failed but combo devils look good though
@st4pps
@st4pps 24 күн бұрын
@@ixzaluoh8997 i mean it is still getting support from the devs, i watch the tourneys they hold regularly
@malcovich_games
@malcovich_games 19 күн бұрын
Brawlhalla tho? Or it doesn’t count anymore since it had a bazillion crossover skins since then?
@st4pps
@st4pps 19 күн бұрын
@@malcovich_games idk, I havent played it that much due to just not being a big fan of universally floaty characters(same reason I don't like playing multiversus, still do cuz my cousin enjoys it)
@malcovich_games
@malcovich_games 19 күн бұрын
@@st4pps Lol yeah! Multiversus is floaty jumps for all... but AT LEAST IN THE BETA the fast fall limit was low to the ground so that wasn't that much of an issue and now it is! But yeah back to the topic, I think Brawlhalla is another of those self-made platform games... Combo Devils is another one that's upcoming and trying to be their own thing.
@Tehsmilingone
@Tehsmilingone 24 күн бұрын
I played NASB2 for the first time this last week, that game is so underappreciated! Within a day, I was feeling old Melee tech start to come out and then when I realized how insane the meter system is, it all clicked. This is the best designed platform fighter with the lowest player count. That game deserves HYPE
@ckorp666
@ckorp666 24 күн бұрын
really wish they couldve had a few more months in the oven, the buggy launch was a real kneecapper (+ the switch load times drove a lot of casuals away)
@a_person172
@a_person172 24 күн бұрын
⁠Also just felt kinda slow to me, but not in a good way. Maybe it’s just that I had already become so accustomed to NASB 1’s speed, but most of the time when I was playing NASB 2 (other than the story mode), I just wanted to play the first one instead
@knightofthenorth926
@knightofthenorth926 24 күн бұрын
​@@a_person172 Check out some more recent competitive gameplay, people are pushing the game to it's limits and it plays fast
@BTRshow
@BTRshow 24 күн бұрын
It's a good game that was even a nominee for fighting game of the year. Just the issue is is it's made by gamermill lol NASB is the only good (great even) game they have ever made
@imstillnothere
@imstillnothere 24 күн бұрын
I was pleasantly surprised to hear NASB2 spike back in popularity when released on Xbox gamepass. I loved the first game and the second feels so much more intricate and fun
@KS-ro7lm
@KS-ro7lm 24 күн бұрын
I think its almost criminal rivals have no real player base, the game performs so well and has great mechanics
@alfonshedstrom9859
@alfonshedstrom9859 24 күн бұрын
I really hope the sequel succeeds
@iceshardz1
@iceshardz1 24 күн бұрын
The games too 1v1 orientated with a deeper skill curve than other fighting games. Those are the main 2 reasons rivals will never be a consistent top plat fighter like smash or even brawlhalla
@brendanpryde5639
@brendanpryde5639 24 күн бұрын
IP isn’t colossal enough. I love Rivals, but imagine those mechanics and polish on the said WB, Nickelodeon or like… imagine Disney. That’s how you get the LARGER crowd to play. Your random friend at work or school who isn’t good at plat fighters gives no shits about tech or mechanics. They want polish and cool chars. MVS lacked polish and NASB1 lacked polish. Both their first tries “failed”
@nikkobird590
@nikkobird590 24 күн бұрын
Because people want characters they could recognize
@uberculex
@uberculex 24 күн бұрын
I feel like it needs a distinct art style. Skullgirls is a good example of a breakout new ip indie fighting game and it was carried by its art.
@criticalastra2346
@criticalastra2346 24 күн бұрын
Rivals of Aether 2 is happening soon, right?
@SeekMVS
@SeekMVS 24 күн бұрын
4th quarter of this year so October-December
@benschmidt-zt8ek
@benschmidt-zt8ek 24 күн бұрын
@@SeekMVS they are gonna 100% push it back.. the changes they have made the last few play tests have been terrible.. they want to be melee so bad but they dont realize that melee was a happy accident... they had a solid game and without changing any frame data they add crouch canceling.... and if u are high level in ROA2 u will realize how fucking miserable neutral is now. the game used to be so flowy and movement based all the way back in roa1 and them adding shields and grabs already altered the feel but the fact that their crouch cancel is so broken literally ruined the game... if you look at the overall sentiment of players they feel the game has gotten ALOT worse in competitive.
@RandomDude647
@RandomDude647 24 күн бұрын
​@@benschmidt-zt8ekthey heavily nerfed crouch canceling in the june beta. The game feels much better now imo
@benschmidt-zt8ek
@benschmidt-zt8ek 24 күн бұрын
​@@RandomDude647 thats super good news. now they just need to nerf zetterburn shine and i can actually play loxo again
@johnmarkson1998
@johnmarkson1998 23 күн бұрын
big advantage aether has is it can change so quickly.
@2inverse469
@2inverse469 24 күн бұрын
The Riot Plat Fighter would have been absolutely gigantic. Any of the Hardcore Smash players I know in EU, also play league. There are SO many league players. It would have been bigger than Smash.
@megalan14
@megalan14 7 күн бұрын
The league IP is not bigger than the Nintendo IP.
@ko17gametime43
@ko17gametime43 24 күн бұрын
if rivals 2 fails we might just be screwed. at least the competitive play
@bigtoblerone8446
@bigtoblerone8446 20 күн бұрын
Rivals 2 is coming and NASB 2 is RIGHT THERE and y'all wont even touch it for some reason!
@ED-gw9rg
@ED-gw9rg 12 күн бұрын
....Eh, for me it's the pricing...
@SaneU_c
@SaneU_c 24 күн бұрын
Multiversus has the most potential, if they cancel this game then it will be truly be heartbreaking. I just hope they make the right decision moving into season 2 and listen to the majority, not the minority or try to make everyone happy bc that ends up leading to nobody being happy
@toobad111
@toobad111 24 күн бұрын
I wish the best for the game, but I've seen this before they already have failed the game.
@sirdapperdan2209
@sirdapperdan2209 24 күн бұрын
@@toobad111bro who tf are you ? Your opinion means nothing 😂
@derektordca
@derektordca 24 күн бұрын
i have faith in them, player first games is a small dev team afterall
@KS-ro7lm
@KS-ro7lm 24 күн бұрын
Hes a steam commenter who says "dead game" every day or so​@sirdapperdan2209
@Larry_Suave
@Larry_Suave 24 күн бұрын
@@toobad111Literally how😂. Some balance fixes and more content is all it needs.
@bozardo101
@bozardo101 18 күн бұрын
One thing that Smash does well, is that it's a SOLID CASUAL game. Literally that is how I got into Smash. I'm not good at Smash but it's always refreshing to see that I can introduce it to friends who are also casual.
@Flindo911
@Flindo911 24 күн бұрын
if multiversus is dying its WBs own fault, they are handling the game beyond poorly.
@Sm1ttyBoyTellEm
@Sm1ttyBoyTellEm 21 күн бұрын
Nasb2 has been the hardest sell of my life to my friend group, but the few that I've gotten to try it have a really been taken with it The brand damage from 1 is insane, only compounds the issue of comparing the polish to smash
@5sm_bulove
@5sm_bulove 24 күн бұрын
I love multiverse, but not its online with nerds. for me, it's the most accessible game that I can call anyone (friends or streamers) and fight with them 1v1 and neither of us has to spend a penny
@baked7423
@baked7423 24 күн бұрын
smash has the best presentation out of any and feels actually premium with only rivals 2 as of recent coming anywhere close. This is what makes pool party cancellation sad for me since it would have been likely on the same level of smash or at least near considering what the team at aether studios has done with rivals 2, imagine the same level of dedication and budget as 2xk0. I hope it gets revitalized someday, maybe after 2xko takes off and settles in. Even if it doesnt follow a melee-like route, I think it would still be super fun and something that not so much dethrone or rival smash but be a solid alternative for most people
@uberculex
@uberculex 24 күн бұрын
pandering to melee gameplay is always a mistake. Modern smash players aren't playing it for its skill ceiling being absurd and melee players will never play a game that isn't melee.
@Bagelking3900
@Bagelking3900 24 күн бұрын
If flash party wasnt pay to win id play it more
@kennytherobot
@kennytherobot 10 күн бұрын
@gsmvoid what platform fighter is mechanically better than smash? U say not even close so now im intrigued
@acheron9874
@acheron9874 23 күн бұрын
Great video void, I appreciate you going over in great detail the things various platform fighters have done right and wrong. I just really wish you went over the microtransaction situation with Multiversus, as it's a large part of why new players leave the game quickly. I know you generally want to speak optimistically about the game but the microtransactions are a huge part of the problem that aren't being talked about enough / pushed out of the conversation. I also understand it's a free to play model so microtransactions are a given but the pricing has been very egregious. most new players can only unlock 1 character and the rest are unobtainable unless you spend real money on them. Thanks again for using your platform to offer advice to these companies
@stony-softwood7086
@stony-softwood7086 24 күн бұрын
Multiversus had the most potential. I just hope they make the better decision moving into season 2 and listen to the real players, not the audience of anyone can play no skill needed and make a communication team cause it's insane MVS has no Communication team for people to talk to or for them to really talk to us.
@TheRTDZ
@TheRTDZ 24 күн бұрын
Don’t Nakat or Ajax count as a communication team? Or is that something different?
@KS-ro7lm
@KS-ro7lm 24 күн бұрын
There is a discord for MV that has some of the community leads pop in but it's only a small chance anything you post will be seen
@stony-softwood7086
@stony-softwood7086 24 күн бұрын
@@TheRTDZ I wouldn't say Communication team not saying that they don't do a great job for MVS no doubt their great but MVS don't really have a legal team that's part of their company like how MK1 has a Communication team where you can directly go to and give feed backs and stuff.
@stony-softwood7086
@stony-softwood7086 24 күн бұрын
@@KS-ro7lm Yeah stuff like that I'm in the server and I see a lot of people questions, comments, bugs concern and stuff but it just gets wiped out but a bunch of rage bait lmao
@grantt4532
@grantt4532 24 күн бұрын
Nick smash was just featured at GDQ and it was in a bundle supporting the charity. I installed it and really like the roguelirlte mode. I don't think the online is as good as MV tho
@RPesh02
@RPesh02 21 күн бұрын
I'm not playing multiversus because my game crashes on start up. There was no change on my end since the beta. I've sent the crash report, still doesn't work.
@Swing_Bonnie
@Swing_Bonnie 24 күн бұрын
I feel this in my heart too, being a massive plat-fighter guy since I have played almost everyone I can't get my hands on, but it just comes down too something I have been saying for years, "There are very few Smash fans that are willing to play your game full time, and even less of those players even own something else other than a Switch."
@thegreatest6546
@thegreatest6546 24 күн бұрын
im looking for a good platform rn, what yall think?
@bloodislife
@bloodislife 20 күн бұрын
I just want a Smash Bros that has a working online... I hate trying to play Smash Bros and it lags half the time. The only good thing about MVS is that the online isn't so laggy.
@jon630
@jon630 24 күн бұрын
Rivals 2 is incredible, so I have no worries.
@blazie42069
@blazie42069 24 күн бұрын
Multiversus has to turn things around with its monetization and if it does it might regain its footing
@hoagieland3716
@hoagieland3716 24 күн бұрын
Honestly, I feel the declining playerbase of MVS relaunch is due to WB likely forcing PFG to meet a clearly too strict deadline to have released the game. Between the features that have been missing from the beta to the lack of polish of the characters and UI, it seems like PFG needed a good 1-2 additional months of dev time to let the game cook, but instead it was rushed out half baked. I have hope that the game will eventually become a masterpiece, but I’m fearing that it’ll be too late by the time it does because it’s initial impression left such a sour taste in everyone’s mouths. I know I’m still enjoying the game and play daily, but I can’t lie when I say that I wouldn’t really recommend new players try out the game with so many quality of life features still missing
@Virulence-xb2rv
@Virulence-xb2rv 23 күн бұрын
Imo early-mid 2025 would of been perfect
@SumRaya
@SumRaya 24 күн бұрын
Ya multiversus got me into fighting games off the ips alone. Which then led to me getting into competitive melee and ult. I think pfg have been doing a good job and I think multiversus will be amazing once ranked drops :)❤
@derektordca
@derektordca 24 күн бұрын
@@SumRaya i agree, the game has so much potential compared to other fighters
@Cheechqt
@Cheechqt 24 күн бұрын
Fr I switched to melee after multiversus and it’s wayyyyy better
@orangeoblivion
@orangeoblivion 22 күн бұрын
All I want is to play three person FFA with my two friends that I play Smash with. Why on earth does Multiversus only do 2 or 4 player. It’s not possible for me to play that way.
@valtyshorts
@valtyshorts 18 күн бұрын
23:35 they only make hype through twitter.
@propotas
@propotas 24 күн бұрын
we need a roadmap
@deadfr0g
@deadfr0g 23 күн бұрын
22:55 Dude, please, my heart is tender right now! You didn’t have to pronounce “hard” so hard. 🤣
@rage_tv4493
@rage_tv4493 20 күн бұрын
the only platform fighter that’s even close to making it besides smash is rivals of aether. can’t wait for rivals 2 to come out
@EliChampion
@EliChampion 23 күн бұрын
I really think once comp comes out for MVS it’ll get a lot better for both casual players and competitive players since casuals won’t feel overwhelmed and competitive players have a place to make them feel like the game is worth playing
@zorbuskerbopulus
@zorbuskerbopulus 24 күн бұрын
Y not make it available to switch users?
@XatumiVS
@XatumiVS 24 күн бұрын
damn bro this video felt like you were saying goodbye to MVS. Here's to hoping 💚💚
@toobad111
@toobad111 24 күн бұрын
It's probably because he knows there's no hope
@the_patch_notes
@the_patch_notes 24 күн бұрын
I’m hoping that season 2 is gonna show people that they can do better than what people think.
@toobad111
@toobad111 24 күн бұрын
​​@@the_patch_notes I want to be proven wrong so bad, I just can't get excited for season 2 at this point.
@lildookiestainEP
@lildookiestainEP 11 күн бұрын
@@toobad111how do you feel about it so far?
@zacharymacaroni7649
@zacharymacaroni7649 9 сағат бұрын
its funny I wanted to now about the state of platform fighters, so i literally googled "the state of platform fighters". Did not expect to find a semi-recent video released by a credible source with that exact title.
@Bagelking3900
@Bagelking3900 24 күн бұрын
Playstation allstars should comeback
@StanDaMan4487
@StanDaMan4487 20 күн бұрын
PAS2 need to happen with Lara Croft, Cloud, Dart, Crash, Spyro, Aloy and Tomba
@YsCuBaN
@YsCuBaN 24 күн бұрын
Nickelodeon All Star Brawl 2 was put down far too quickly, the game is great and has had a resurgence thanks to Gamepass as well. I'd say its time to give that game the credit it deserves too.
@majoraxx2427
@majoraxx2427 24 күн бұрын
It was so refreshing booting up Nasb2 again after months and seeing more lobbies than ever before.
@geraltofrivia4651
@geraltofrivia4651 24 күн бұрын
NASB2 is the best recent platform fighter imo
@gamist8166
@gamist8166 24 күн бұрын
F2P is the way to go for sure. Big mistake on them, they get what they deserve.
@AwesomeMooseSmile
@AwesomeMooseSmile 24 күн бұрын
​@@gamist8166bro all of multiversus's problems can be originated from it being F2P. Also both nick games did really well from a sales angle.
@allen2reckless676
@allen2reckless676 24 күн бұрын
They should have pulled a multiversus overwtach 2 where they made nasb2 free instead of rereleasing a game that was basically the first game just add stuff that made the game a little better. Thats an update not a new game.
@Bluuedream
@Bluuedream 24 күн бұрын
Riot just spread themselves way too thin. I've been playing their games since the company started, so I enjoyed the few single player games they made. But that's being a HUGE fan of the IP, the games were pretty lackluster. If they just focused on a few games for longer they would have been amazing. Also why make 2 fighting games at the same time?
@TheGruffRoom
@TheGruffRoom 24 күн бұрын
Bring back PSASBR!
@Potato_DevOfficial
@Potato_DevOfficial 23 күн бұрын
Multiversus is apart from smash because it is 1. not on nintendo, but on other consoles 2. free, much of the MVS players are younger kids who mostly play f2p games
@bonkai09
@bonkai09 21 күн бұрын
Can you play Garnet next after Agent Smith. Garnet needs some love
@alfredxsiv
@alfredxsiv 24 күн бұрын
15:50 i stand by this "theory", i don't have a single nintendo console. My first real gripe about multiversus rn is that its deceptively "heavy", this is not a problem for high end PC gamers, but i know its a real issue on xbox if i'm not wrong, and its also an issue for me who has a potato PC. Even with lowest settings i'm still dropping frames especially in 4player modes. I think this is just an optimization issue, cause i personally know some games which seems heavy but in actuality is lighter and can run on my PC just fine. Another thing i have an issue is the PvE mode, for a casual player its too "grindy" i personally play a lot of other games, and rn the format is saying only play this game for hours for very little reward which i don't really like. If you're completely F2P too, obtaining new characters is wayyy too slow, 20hrs and only unlocked 3 characters. There needs to be a permanent specific PvE mode which you can unlock a specific character as a reward or something, retroactively you will get fighter currency instead equivalent of the character if you already unlocked it. This feels way more rewarding than getting 1/100 exp of a gem or 10/3000 fighter currency. They're trying too hard into making the players play the game for a long time but ends up shooing the players away instead.
@musubi8885
@musubi8885 24 күн бұрын
I enjoyed playing NASB 1&2 and MVS a lot, but what upset me about their design was that the focus was on the competitive aspect. When comparing it to Smash, both series try to emulate Melee in a lot of ways, particularly the pace of the gameplay. I think this goes completely against what has made the Smash series so successful. Smash is a party game first and foremost while also having enough intricate mechanics to have a very viable competitive scene, and overtime has had to find a good balance on game speed. This is why both NASB2 and the rerelease of MVS slowed gameplay down a lot, but the previous mistakes already ruin the perspective of their series. I agree that a platform fighter's IPs are one of the most important parts for making something that captures the same success as Smash, and Nickelodeon and WB are certainly popular to do so. It may be too late already for those companies. I think the only other IPs that have a shot are either Shounen Jump or Disney.
@julioarcaiko
@julioarcaiko 20 күн бұрын
I know the situation looks relatively grim but I’m actually pretty optimistic. We need to understand platform fighters are over a decade newer than classic 2D fighting games and the main exponent of the genre is Nintendo creating a type of golden standard that’s made the formula difficult to emulate. Despite the numerous flops I think it’s the first time I’ve seen a rising interest in the genre as a whole. Not only with established games like Ultimate and Brawlhalla but upcoming ones like Rivals 2 and Combo Devils that also have me really excited. If they manage to sustain a considerable fan base and a new smash game is announced I can see this type of game really take off in the coming years.
@johnex2154
@johnex2154 24 күн бұрын
Ngl my heart dropped when I thought it was 2xko getting canceled, Ive been so hyped for that, but never even heard of this platform one
@shinoobidan
@shinoobidan 24 күн бұрын
Gross monetization, missing features we used to have, and desync's cancelling matches for the first few weeks of Multiversus definitely destroyed the playerbase. Sadly we still have gross monetization and are slowly getting features we used to have back. Doesn't matter if the gameplay's fun if people can only play 2 characters without dropping money or they would have had to play before on the first launch.
@Ramxenoc
@Ramxenoc 24 күн бұрын
The game is fun I don't get all the doom and gloom. Cool characters and a good cast of characters. Bugs are expected with anything but people's expectations are just so damn high I guess. I personally think the problem with a game like this is the big dogs forcing a free game especially to release before they're at a comfortable spot with bug fixes. Maybe their QA team isn't good or they don't have the funding to have the employees. IDK but people have to stick around to prove to the big dogs we are interested in this thing but it sucks or its rough right now. Make it better. Greatest example of that is Dead By Daylight. That game was the buggiest unbalanced piece of shit when it released by BHVR because they had only made Mobile games prior to that. They got a ton of players like 2 million sales in their first couple of weeks and they really scrambled to make the game better and even though it took them like 2-8 years depending on who you ask its in a really good place now, and nothing can compete with it. Companies try to make other games like it and nobody gives them a chance after the first month because they're not as polished or good as Dead By Daylight. So they all die and we have Dbd there with no competition. Multiversus can very well become the free smash bros and be better if enough time and attention is given to it. Characters already have that love and care in their designs they just have weird ass hitboxes and the online isn't always good. Though that I don't put onto the game because in those alpha tests the game's net was the best in any fighting game I've ever experienced outside of SF6. Open beta with all platforms happened and console players and people without good stable and WIRED connections are what ruined that. That's going to be the case with any game regardless of the genre. Some people are far from the servers and that's not their fault, but aside from that you've just gotta give these games time. Yes they had a whole year but that was a year without feedback and real world testing. Its a good game with big ambitions just let them cook and try to have fun at least. EDIT: Text wall but if you read it thank you
@Jking44th
@Jking44th 23 күн бұрын
The problem is that you're telling people to enjoy something that they have problems with because it may get better in a few years. That's ridiculous. Like the complaints about bugs isn't having high expectations, it's the fact that we played the beta and it was less buggy. That's a crazy statement to be able to make. Then the game is only now starting to catch up to the beta in features. Worse is that instead of these features they had rifts and rifts are fun for like 3 minutes. The game also shoots goodwill in the foot at every turn. Toast are limited and cost gleamium if you want more faster. In Brawlhalla GGs are the same thing and are unlimited. It's challenges are poorly thought out with too many character specific ones in a game where you can not have those characters. I literally had 3 joker challenges and don't have him. That is ridiculous. Sticking it out to show interest isn't a fair thing to ask when the game tries to repel you at every chance.
@alexandrepominville1425
@alexandrepominville1425 15 күн бұрын
Rivals 2 is gonna do okay but it’s not gonna be a big ip at all.
@homeforhomies8415
@homeforhomies8415 14 күн бұрын
I really think Rivals 2 is set to do really well. It’s getting more polished each beta-patch, it’s got a great dev team, and it now has backing from Ludwig.
@ItchyBurritoMiniAltThingy
@ItchyBurritoMiniAltThingy 24 күн бұрын
NASB2 is really good by the way. Very alive too.
@oofjeff3735
@oofjeff3735 24 күн бұрын
Who tf are you lying to LMAO that game dead gang
@krooga_
@krooga_ 24 күн бұрын
​@@oofjeff3735literally has more players now than ever but ok
@ItchyBurritoMiniAltThingy
@ItchyBurritoMiniAltThingy 24 күн бұрын
@@oofjeff3735 Classic case of "Make a statement I obviously have no clue of" On KZfaq
@geraltofrivia4651
@geraltofrivia4651 24 күн бұрын
@@oofjeff3735i get it, you dont want people to leave your trashcan copefest multiversus game lol. Sad that the smaller NASB team made a game 20x better
@DoctorMario606
@DoctorMario606 24 күн бұрын
​@geraltofrivia4651 who said he liked multiversus?
@Dingbata
@Dingbata 23 күн бұрын
Multiversus has two possibilities to become a NASB we’re it dies in another Month or a Brawlhala we’re it takes time until it becomes better Game
@zer0wayne450
@zer0wayne450 23 күн бұрын
I feel like a game like multiversus needs to take its time to get better. The biggest issue is the balancing, servers and the grinding. These are the biggest problems the game has rn. As soon as they fix it, and get the game in a healthy state, their only worries are bringing in characters. And the whole purpose of Mvs is to Bring Characters From different franchises into one, and it's not limited to just WB. If the play there cards right, the game can be Popular again with amazing character picks, Marketing and hype Trailers. The game just needs Momentum and Fixes
@dmoney244
@dmoney244 23 күн бұрын
Your describe it perfectly for me I never played any platform fighter till mvs
@kban6748
@kban6748 20 күн бұрын
If it helps, im giving Multiversus a chance because of your vids. Keep making a difference so we can have a diverse future of this genre!
@joguSD
@joguSD 9 күн бұрын
A lot of interesting points here. I think an important thing to keep in mind is that just because Riot canceled the game for now doesn't mean that they will never reconsider. Looking at the market right now, the lukewarm success of NASB and MSV is an indicator that even if a Riot platform fighter were to come out with a platform fighter the audience is a little burned right now.
@Bagelking3900
@Bagelking3900 24 күн бұрын
Imma keep playing multiversus till it revovers. They need to add characters that ppl want to play and like 20 more stages. Some of tge rift modes i hope can be in an aracade mode like overwatch. Were i can fight with other with unlimited junos. Or the shark week stuff were its 2 platforms and sharks at the bottom. Even the vollyball was fun. Multiversus needs to have this mode where they put all of the stuff in pvp and rotate it
@blastingpew
@blastingpew 24 күн бұрын
u give me the same vibes as lord knight i call u lord knight platform fighter version lol its ur video style and the way u talk its sooo smiliar
@Guccibear100
@Guccibear100 17 күн бұрын
Smash is for everyone, competitive Platform fighters are not.
@RobertoCarlos-it8rn
@RobertoCarlos-it8rn 12 күн бұрын
Im not into most plataform fighters but i really like MvS and hope it keeps going
@moonbeam2730
@moonbeam2730 14 күн бұрын
i think all of this platform fighter stuff is just a testament to smash bros that its a really really REALLY good video game, other games looking to get that same success smash has are facing an extremely competent rival in the platform fighting game space
@DesiringANewDawn
@DesiringANewDawn 24 күн бұрын
Main problem is they are HUGE on monetization bc of WB. And less for content. Year later we lost content that we enjoy. We now have to PAY to toast after matches. Skins that take no work yo make are expensive as hell. "Story mode" very cheaply put together with the buy these gems to play more. 2 maps for the entire release. 3 characters. 4 nos with a ton of reused assets. I had over 100 hours in this game. One of the few reviews i put out about the game being great. But they just killed it. And will continue to over hype and spit in the faces of the people who backed them up before the release
@DesiringANewDawn
@DesiringANewDawn 24 күн бұрын
That's not even considering how I'm recommending this to all my friends. And they can't even get characters bc they are so damn expensive to buy without spending real money. Or the quests for the battle pass you can't finish bc you don't have said skin or character. Just a joke. I hate WB.
@BluuSkyz
@BluuSkyz 10 күн бұрын
It sucks i really want a good platform fighter and the all stars 2 mechanics actually feel really good but most of the characters are meh.. I can not get into multiversus it just feels too wierd.
@Tylerr_Creative
@Tylerr_Creative 23 күн бұрын
I’d argue the only mention of Multiversus in why they stopped the game is a big red flag. If they were talking about how even with recognizable characters the player base drops then not mention NASB2 is wild. What it really shows me is this LoL game was gonna be as money grubbing as Multiversus. This really feels like they saw that Multi wasn’t making money and they realized it wouldn’t be worth investing on a F2P game with predatory micro transaction
@Grunton
@Grunton 20 күн бұрын
it was in development for a very very long time
@RandomDude647
@RandomDude647 24 күн бұрын
I believe in Rivals 2
@414Mufasa
@414Mufasa 20 күн бұрын
11:07 Game devs need to just do it like this Brawlhalla graphics with big name I.Ps, and I agree that was a dumb move lmao Spongebob and Patrick look 100x better in Brawlhalla than the actual game by Nickelodeon lmal how? 11:46 Somebody tell da94quan that even Smash brothers Melee was miles ahead of NASB and Multiversus lol it was as cheesy and broken but a million times less predatory you actually you know unlocked characters through gameplay only, all of them, every single last one with no coins, no fighter perks currency, no prestige aka "you bought something so heres some tokens" currency needed
@CGImpala
@CGImpala 13 күн бұрын
Simple explanation with the state of platform fighters is that these companies have to compete with a community that doesn't like the genre itself, they just like Smash and if this gatekeeping status quo is not dealt with soon, the genre will eventually die with Smash when the series is finally over. Smash games have had their share of problems as well but the community itself chooses to stay complacent in it because they refuse to see or welcome anything different, all because it's been around for so many years without any competition. A developer could come out with a game that over exceeds Smash in gameplay mechanics and roster and this community would STILL try to compare it to Smash and belittle it. The community has an "old guard" complex when it comes to the genre and apart from some being weirdos, this is one of the reasons why they'll never be fully accepted in the FGC. Like you don't see us saying Tekken is a Virtual Fighter clone or Guilty Gear is a Street Fighter clone. It's just mad goofy, it's not so much a developer problem, it's mostly a community problem that has platform fighters in the state that it's in.
@Pslamist
@Pslamist 14 күн бұрын
All aboard the Smack Studio train!
@Bagelking3900
@Bagelking3900 24 күн бұрын
Smash has the best feel ans cleanest game play. My second favorite platform idea was revolution something but having a battle royal in a fighting game/king of hill was very fun but tge gane was dead. Rn i play multiversus. Id play nickelodeon if it had more player because it is fun theres all good but theres just not enough players. Thats why there has to be a smash killer for it to stay
@blakepoling4860
@blakepoling4860 24 күн бұрын
We just gotta keep supporting Multiversus. It has the potential to go on a long time
@toobad111
@toobad111 20 күн бұрын
Ya... if they didn't remove literally everything that made it special in the first place
@psychicchicken5263
@psychicchicken5263 9 күн бұрын
how to have fun in platform fighters again: -buy rivals of aether -pick etalus -realize etalus has the sickest movement and combo game of all time -profit
@lanceams483
@lanceams483 23 күн бұрын
I feel bad for Multiversus, the launch was rough but I would still call it a good game with many flaws. But then you see all the 10-30 min long "Multiversus is dead again" "video essays" in the youtube feed and it just feels like most people have given up hope for the game. Most content for the game that gets recommended are leak videos with the occasional wishlist of characters or character concepts. I don't think this is inherently bad, Smash had the same kinda discussion when the DLC/new fighters were being revealed, but it would be nice to see other content. It's also not great to see stuff about tournaments, only to see the video is a year old and is from the beta. Add in this announcement and the added sting of blaming Multiversus for the cancellation, the game can't catch a break. Even if it isn't because of the launch of the full game, hearing "Riot cancelled their fighting game because of Multiversus" is instantly going to make everyone see the current state of the game, which is still trying to get it's footing. It's already rough rep is going to get worse (as we can already see online), and if the team at PFG can't keep players informed about the future, people are going to start wondering if the game will/is dying. REALLY hope Season 2 can boost the game, an announcement soon (within the next 2-3 days) would help hype the season up and get rid of some of this worry/talk about the future of the game, so here's hoping we get more info soon.
@SyLuX636
@SyLuX636 22 күн бұрын
Its wild to think that most of the Smash games are just recycled assets and much doesnt change except a few new characters
@QuandaleDinkle
@QuandaleDinkle 6 күн бұрын
Simple solution, play Rivals of Aether and Rivals 2 when that comes out.
@tenacity25
@tenacity25 24 күн бұрын
See.. the state of platform fighters is particularly bad for me, because, I'm someone who loves the genre, it never has the issue that most often causes me to dislike traditional fighters (a genre which i'd otherwise love - that issue being overly complex controls (I dislike multi-directional inputs and/or button inputs utilizing 3 or more buttons at once; for a single move)), but.. I hate the meta (and character balance design - so many are too one dimensional or have get-out-of-jail-free cards) of Ultimate, I don't like L-cancelling as a mechanic (melee), I'm not going to play brawl or smash 4 between MK icies and bayo, I dont like a lack of shields/grabs, and on top of that, the kinds of characters I like in games in general tend to only sometimes be present and, in the few times I've had a character in a fighting game or platform fighter that I love playing and have no particular thing about them I dislike ("I am free" in the terms utilized by a certain funnyman in a joke tierlist video), they either end up being not good outside of specific matchups (ultimate marth, smash 4 falco (I actually dont like him in ult as much - he's more one dimensional)) or outright broken and the best option in the game to a point of it hurting the fun for myself and my opponent (UMvC3 vergil). So with every platform fighter that comes out, I'm just constantly being met with hope followed up by disappointment. Multiversus especially, because... I like it for 2v2s, not 1v1s, its intended design, and I have THREE characters I like playing - harley, jason, and now agent smith. But because of a variety of issues with the mechanics that they have, none of my friends play the game, so I'm stuck teaming with randoms - or finding new friends just to play this one game (when I'd rather just stick to the friends I've known for years and play games I CAN play with them), which is just infuriating when I'm really trying to improve while having fun and then I go back and forth between a variety of levels of teammate skill levels. edit: Oh, and for NASB, I haven't played 2, but for 1, I didn't really have a character I loved playing, even though I liked it mechanically! There were quite a few that were fun, but they all had their own reasons I didn't LOVE them. edit2: Probably my favorite platform fighter up to this point is Fraymakers, btw. And I don't think I need to explain the issue with getting people to remember it even exists.
@THMCTerracraft2
@THMCTerracraft2 24 күн бұрын
They canceled it even despite it having LoL characters in bikini, which LoL fans would go in debt for, that's alarming.
@tailsBOOM1992
@tailsBOOM1992 24 күн бұрын
Feels weird to put Smash on the thumbnail when its just in a state where the most recent game is finished and will almost certainly be back with the Switch's successor. Multiversus had one of the most insane fall-offs I've ever seen, though; you know its bad when other companies cancel a game in response to your failure lol
@KS-ro7lm
@KS-ro7lm 24 күн бұрын
I'm dubious on how the next smash will work without our God king behind the wheel this time, he wa blackmailed into doing ssbu after his retirement I think he's actually done this time with how he made this smash his greatest work in allotnof ways.
@user-jo3kt7oj1o
@user-jo3kt7oj1o 24 күн бұрын
@@KS-ro7lmIt was worth it. Ultimate has the best fighting game roster ever. Massive achievement
@DoctorMario606
@DoctorMario606 24 күн бұрын
​@KS-ro7lm Sakurai said he can't imagine a smash game without him at the helm so unless he physically cannot do it anymore I wouldn't count in him not being around
@TheSackersLounge
@TheSackersLounge 24 күн бұрын
If sakuri isn’t making the next smash game I don’t want it.
@PandaMan0901
@PandaMan0901 24 күн бұрын
You should play Brawlhalla! I’d love to introduce you to the community!
@Tandran
@Tandran 24 күн бұрын
My man talking when he's never played TMNT Smash Up or The Digimon Rumble arenas ;)
@andrebaxter4023
@andrebaxter4023 14 күн бұрын
To me, it would be badass if games like Smash ultimate would be solidified and played for years and years, like sports. To play basketball, you just need a ball and hoop and you're good to go. I understand the decline though. Video games are different because everyone knows there's almost always a new one to be released around the corner.
@xanapoe.w2246
@xanapoe.w2246 24 күн бұрын
Im honestly shock we havent swapped platform fighters to smash like or anything like that ....ya know like the games that capitalized the genre like "MetroidVania" and "Souls-like". i think also Riot is soft for calling it quits... they should of capitalize on the fails of MultiVersus and make sure not to repeat any of it like bro ya getting free DATA i dont know why ya not use that to go forward just make sure not to screw players over, cross platform and bruh ya got it...
@socialrhombus3288
@socialrhombus3288 17 күн бұрын
How is smash not mechanically good? Despite some of the qol (lag and horrible matchmaking), I think the in-game mechanics are quite intricate.
@Maelthorn1337
@Maelthorn1337 24 күн бұрын
You better be playing Combo Devils.
@bgbd182
@bgbd182 24 күн бұрын
fr
@CartRippa
@CartRippa 24 күн бұрын
the new space jam prolly showed the new gen bugs and them
@KillahBounce23
@KillahBounce23 23 күн бұрын
The problem Smash is one of the most beloved platform fighters ever and actually has a monopoly on it. Every platform fighter will be compared to it and if something is not like Smash it will be hated. Many people just say "game (...) is bad just play Smash." just because it has other mechanic and playstyle. It also doesn''t help if every third video is "Game (...) is so bad" or " ... was a mistake." I also think Multiversus is good and fun. It's more beginner friendly. NASB is also a great game. The second game is also great but it is also compared to Smash and because of the price there is a small price hurdle. It is also pretty difficult to release a game and then balance and patch it because when a game didn't make a good impression at the start many players won't have patience for fixes. I really don't know how these problems can be fixed. It is just sad that many promising fighting games can't established themselves.
@Saferoom45
@Saferoom45 18 күн бұрын
That's something I wanna say and I'm yeah I'm putting an example on this one with Sora. Sora was and STILL IS my main reason why I played Smash Bros. Ultimate. I have been wanting to have Sora on smash for years and it never came to pass since Smash Bros. Wiiu and 3DS and other guest fighter on the game. Smash Flash 2 helped me dull the sadness and disappointing feelings when I played as Sora and it not only made me feel abit better, but also made me what it feels to play as him in smash bros AND gave me abit of hope for Sora. If Sora was not in Ultimate I would frankly be upset hands down, BUT I would move on and continue play Smash Flash 2. And that alone shows and tell you that there will be another platform fighting game that will back you up just in case. I don't even care if Sora is high, mid, or even low tier at best, the tier list was and still is futile to me. I will still play as Sora nonetheless why? Because as I said earlier, Sora is the main reason why I play smash bros and I will not let that change even if there were new platform fighters or even when people say this game is dead or even they keep saying Sora is bad. I.DO.NOT.GIVE.TWO.SQUATS. about it. Because I ain't no hypocrite. Playing as Sora is just fun for me, and he is in smash and i got who i wanted, in your face Coney. No one and nothing will make me change my mind. Not even Sora haters, INCLUDING CONEY. Nothing.
@bandaux
@bandaux 23 күн бұрын
There is not enough talk about quality/polished gameplay and design. A lot of these platform fighters are not finished and very unpolished when they are released
@ph1lny3
@ph1lny3 22 күн бұрын
Multiversus had some fumbles that if not fixed, they deserve to go under for like monetization but hear me out... Competitive Smashers are insufferably picky. They whine and bemoan the seriously damning issues of Ult, but when given some serious catering to, they find ridiculous reasons ("polish", "roster", "animations" are so frequently brought up) as reasons smashers leave other plat fighters soon after trying. Despite fixes especially what we saw between NASB 1-2, and other games like Rushdown Revolt and Fraymakers who all died after this exodus. Our community really has more commonality with little Timmy who just wants to have his fantasy of Kirby versus Sephiroth than we think. That's ok, games gotta have quality, but you're NEVER going to get Sakurai and Ninty to change their mind on their vision for Smash, and if 2024 has shown us anything, they don't take kindly to the community making efforts to fix it. The other options are there, but if you're holding out for the next title to have rollback and good character balance patches, could I ask for 5 minutes of your time to talk about investing in my new crypto pump-n-dumpcoin? Seems Smash players care more about things that usually appeal to casual players more than they care to admit. Rivals, Brawlhalla, and Flash Party (as horrible as the latter is) have side-stepped a lot of the failure their peers got, and I owe it mostly to accruing their playerbase without catching the attention of the Smash Community. And they're marketed pretty heavily towards competitive play, so it's not like success is dictated by casual appeal. Recently feeling more "done" with Ult, just tired of how awful wifi is which eliminates my desire to play with my sparring buddy after he moved out of our region several states over. Looking into NASB2, RoA2, and GG:Strive, but my fellow smashers gotta hold that L until they realize they have Stockholm Syndrome and decide to break the cycle.
@Taytexas
@Taytexas 23 күн бұрын
ima say this. SMASH works because its a game honoring games. Other platforms fighters dont have that "gaming" legacy embedded into their IPs to get the overall "Gaming" community to rally behind them. Sonic and beyonetta being in smash U sealed the deal for the community. Smash had to jump through hoops and fight for ips at the end. Fortnight is a prime example of IPs sell games. If multiversus can fight and win some ips that warner doesnt own it will gain steam. however warner has SO MANY ips that everyone loves, overtime if they stick with it and polish more they can sell just as well. namely cartoonnetwork ips and harry potter. If they could land OTHER network ips that we find "impossible" (like we thought sora or cloud were) that will be a benifit to the game. Tell me i can put invader zim against dexter and naruto im playing no matter what
@Nigels_Wrld
@Nigels_Wrld 23 күн бұрын
I’m not playing mvs everyday but I’m still having a fun time when I do
@user-kp3hd9wr4w
@user-kp3hd9wr4w 22 күн бұрын
I think platform fighter doesnt need to be 'smash bros-like" there are so much platform fighter games that arent smash bros-like. digimon rumble arena, one piece grand battle etc nowadays they always want to make game that very similar to already successful game, of course they are cancelled
@toobad111
@toobad111 24 күн бұрын
15:08 ya... then they took it away from us on release 😒
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