These industry dudes steal beats in plain site, no remaking, no reworking, and if you spend the money on going after them, likely youll eventually settle for less than you’re owed.

There was a similar kind of disagreement with who produced the Eric B. & Rakim records in the 80s (which had very influential production on them)... they're credited as produced by Eric B. & Rakim, but in a lot of cases Rakim and Eric took the records they wanted to use to Marley Marl and Marley did a lot of the sampling/programming. So it becomes a case of whether the producer is the person who had the idea of what to put together, or the person who physically put the elements together.

Love the variety in your videos man, good stuff

Great video my friend! I always find these types of videos super interesting, as well as very educational.

This is such a fun video. It was channels like you and diggin the greats that really made me actually start subscribing to music channels on here outside of just guitar teachers and its these vids with more music history and beat break downs together that really hook me

I still find it quite amazing how they put together 'Do For Love' with that Bobby Caldwell hook. Must have had a great ear when he heard Dilla beat matching that

Impressive video ..u get a sun just on the work to put this video together.. clean , precise and most importantly informative!!! Love it

Jesusss you are talented man been looking for this type of content for years

Your breakdown and analysis is just unparalleled

The thing about Aphex Twin getting his song sampled on a Kanye record then being told by his camp “It’s not yours, it’s OURS. And we aren’t asking.” Sent (angry) shivers down my spine. Welcome to the industry lol.

amazing video as always davie n! keep it up bro, fr best beatmaking content ever.

I’m more of an Afro/deep house/bounce producer but damn you really have some of the best content out here! I appreciate you greatly.

More videos like this please, along with your normal tips and tricks videos. This was really interesting.

It's hard to tell, but I lean towards theft. I'm relatively no one in the game, but I've had two songs stolen outright. One song became a local hit and anchored an album. Anyone who makes beats long enough will get jacked.

I really like these type of videos. Keep them coming.

love this!! Something we all have to know coming into this game. Thanks again Navie D! keep loving yourself. peace and love from Japan

your videos always butter me up and tuck me into bed navie i appreciate that

There were rumours back in the day that Timbaland would hire ghost producers and make them work in a studio and just take the best samples for himself. He also claimed that he invented dubstep lol. Let’s not forget that infamous case where he quite literally stole a sample and claimed he made it himself, without giving credit.

I love learning, and you are great at teaching. Nuff said. Cheers!

I ve made recently a beattape, and something that I've found quite unique, the question is that a fellow producer came across me, who was with me one of these days while I worked on the tape telling " owh I've used one of the samples you got there, I hope u don't mind, check my beat, see here" ofter I've checked we both laught at the differences, with two completely different approaches. Long story short, no problem in using, in fact, the same sample, the thing is how you do it maintaining your identity on it. I've made a Celtic druid tape and put that there, it's great, and the dude made a freestyle like beat that's dope as f***, he didn't quite stole, he made it to be way different than mine, even so I didn't feel malice, it was a good studio day that day 😁

These videos are really good bro

Mann I love this video, nice content as always. Thanks

This is a fascinating video, great work

Dude I love your videos, you are a true hip hop head

That due for love intro is MAGICAL takes me back.

Great video, funny 🤣 thing I was just discussing Poppa Was A Playa with a friend who happens to be a producer as well because I love the sample usage and especially the hi hat panning technique along with the drum simplicity and the chimes but those hi hats 🔥 🤦🏿‍♂️

I just came along and then I found your channel I really like it😊

benzema teachin me bout sum music history nice content brother, kudos

New to your channel and love the content 🔥🔥🔥 you got my sub

wanted too let you know i enjoy your content very much, i find it very "inclusive" even though im using ableton, keep going love ur work

The labels definitely mess things up at times, like what Rawkus did with the Godzilla sample in "Simon Says." If the labels/managers do everything in their power to screw artists out of money, why wouldn't they at least to get away with doing the same to producers and sample clearances?

Your knack for recreation is genuinely impressive.

something I love about Jamaican djs and old 80s dancehall is that is very common to hear the same beats and samples but this is looked upon the crowd, they look for djs who can add their own thing to the classical beats.

Moving forward to 2023, spotify doesn't show credits to producer or beatmakers. I was shocked seeing this on my productions while I spent some time filling in all the right informations on my distribution page, making sure everything is there before submitting to digital release

Great stuff man. Sub well earned.

When it comes to music, its not about who did it first, its about who did it best. Respect will always be paid to the originators and pioneers by the people making the music, but the masses will remeber the best version of something. Be the best.

The beat for the second track on JPEGMafia's Veteran album was first credited to Peggy but was actually produced by someone else

It must take you hours upon hours to get these recreations made in your DAW, and then make a whole dope ass interesting video about it! Great work per usual Navie!

BABE WAKE UP NAVIE POSTED ANOTHER VIDEO

Diddy needs to go to jail

I love the quote. I recently had a situation where I thought a producer stole from me on a Tony Yayo song. I reached out to the producer and Tony Yayo, neither got back to me (Surprise!) but in the end, I chalked it up to we both took an easy route in chopping same sample. maybe that's naïve of me. but i'd rather chalk it up than stay enraged. that being said it also taught me that maybe my stuff was a little better than i thought, but I still need to work on my drums and get my legal stuff together before continuing to put music on Soundcloud. Anyways, I loved the video...I think Puff definitely stole. Only because he's done so much shady stuff. And thanks for the quote. I'm going to print it out and give you a sub credit. LOL

Real like/appreciate your content. I’m new to this space. I had a question for you, in todays environment is there a process producers need to do before uploading there beats to (let’s say distrokid) in order to minimise theft? Have you made content on this subject? Thanks

I watched a interview with the producer Soulshock from Souldshock & Karlin who did Do For Love. I think Soulshock mostly did drums and samples and Karlin played keys. He talked about when he did that song how he was a huge fan of Dilla and Tribe. I think he def sampled the drums and that guitar chop (or recreated it) but to me its more like uncredited sampling than just jacking a beat. He did mention though how Karlin came up with the bassline on the keyboard. They also did Me Against The World. It was a cool interview.

Down and Out was Dope! I didn't know this information.

You forgot to mention Dr. Dre. Hutch, from Above The Law, was working on a Beat in his House, and Dre was there, listening and watching the process (Hutch was working on a funky Synth Bassline). A few Years later, that Bassline was featured on "Dre Day". In case you didn't know, Hutch was the Son of Willie Hutch, the man who composed the Soundtrack to the '70s Blaxploitation Classic, "The Mack", starring Max Julien and Dick Anthony Williams as "Pretty Tony".

A more recent example I can think of is Bryson Tiller's "Exchange " and J.Cole's "Deja Vu" and the dispute surrounding the beats of those two songs. Yet the samples, while being the same were used VERY differently

That production from „Do For Love“ is crazy tho🔥🔥🔥

It’s just like being the Avatar, you have to know all the masters as far as, Dilla, Pete Rock, Slumgulion, 9th Wonder, etc. I use their templates as a foundation for navigating through any sample I hear. I understand it’s like learning different styles of Kung-Fu. Once you’ve learned how to use the techniques, you can come up with some really ill creations. The key to unlock the door is your imagination. The same process is for juggling records too (vinyl) how to breakdown time signatures in the in the song already provided for you.

Yeah, you're right. Sometimes it's not outright theft. The Down N Out situation reminds me of Kitty Kat by G-Unit, where on the record 50 shoutouts Polow Da Don as the producer but the credits list Hit-Boy (Who was signed to Polow at the time). What ended up happening was that the beat CD came from Polow so 50 assumed the beat was made by him when he recorded the verse. lol

Great video

Loool that ending with the spotify credits was hilarious

This is one of the coolest things iv seen on the hip hop side of KZfaq bro you got a series on your hands now you need to do a mini doc bout song theft and have some underground artist show you proof of how whole songs get stolen

Damn I’m here under 10,000 views, haha crazy. Been really enjoying your videos 🎉

4:30 this happens alot on the vocal side of things too but its more accepted and seen as paying dues. From the weekend working on drakes take care album in the shadows before it was his turn all the way back to future working on blue berry yum yum for ludacris while he slept on the couch in the dungeon

J Dilla's ear must've been insane. How the hell did he hear all that in Do for love?😮

make this into a series

As a person that know someone in the industry. They even do this to engineers. They do it to everyone. Music is a shady business

The Eddie Kendricks sample was used in 1995 by a French rap crew called Iam in the song called "bad boys de Marseille " , they featured Redman in 1997 in their single (la saga) so I guess Kanye heard about them and probably liked Keops sampling and producing method..... just a guess

That sample that supposedly nobody can find is don’t say goodnight (it’s time for love) by The Isley Brothers

In Norway there’s been two crazy low down dirty producers. I know a group that had to pull everything they released for two-three years cos a producer/beat maker took credit for ALL the beats on their albums, when he just simply stole everything from other producers. He recorded and totally jacked beats from other producers. It all came to light when one of the producers who actually made the beat threatened to sue them. And they started testing their “producer” by asking him to changed some minor things to the beat, and they asked to get stems and he couldn’t provide. And we have another dude doing the exact same thing to day. I actually think it’s the same guy😂 and he’s also working with known American rappers as well.

keep these stories up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Down and out beat was originally on a song Called Anthrax it came out years before Kanye's version, it was produced by a group in Philly on a mix tape called Logan Valley

Do for love karlin said they wanted it to sound like a tribe called quest "relax yourself", now for the DJ Dillah part it's my first time hearing it, but with your explanations it sounds like a mix of both ATCQ & Dillah which were collaboraters

Interesting. Man make a video on what makes a melody/sample chops dark and underground. how to flip sample to the dark side

Thanks for risking your life for the greater good. Bless you

One of the things I’m learning from all of these videos is almost every beat is using some sort of sample

My teenage son produces some good beats and was approached by a low tier rapper on Fiver. My son just gave him one trying to get “exposure” and the credit on Tidal lists the artist as the composer and producer. I really would have liked to see his name, I was really proud of how good the song came out. This may be a Hanlon’s Razor moment, indeed.

Southside from 808 Mafia does this to a lot of the young and dumb producers he got signed under him. He puts his 808 mafia tag on their beats but doesn't credit them.

Would love a video on just blaze perhaps a what naive can teach us about him 🤞🏾🤞🏾🤞🏾🤞🏾

Ok we need a more in depth look at this if there is anymore info on all these + many more

there was a song from st louis that was no 1 in the city.. that got played several times on L.A. radio 2 years before pac used it..the song was Deep by Illegal Assembly pac sped it up ad called it picture me rollin

sample jacking/biting is a no no.. if you're going to use a sample that's already been used, you need to flip that sample to sound totally different. The end result will always be victorious.

This happens in every field where there is a apprentice situation unfortunately

The Puffy vs. Pete Rock situation is a common thing among black men: Basically Puff looking down on Pete like someone like YOU shouldn't be this good, so I have to bring up someone else who I deem worthy or is one of "us". We all know the type of people that Puffy prefers.

It’s harder when don’t understand the industry. I started out as a Chicago house dj/ producer as a kid in the 90s. I was really into making hip hop soul beats, like RZA and OutKast’s producer. I made the tracks on my MPC 60 that I bought from cutting hair at school. I was a rapper at the time but my flow was different. So I rapped on my own tracks that literally sounds similar to Otis, international players anthem and many modern songs. Well before they were produced. I laugh now as I get that many people can have similar ideas and experiences. back then I wanted to be a part of this hip hop group called Ill State, my friends brother was their engineer for them. When my backpack was stolen a few of my copy tracks and piece book were stolen too. Only later to hear similar songs. I don’t make music anymore but I still have the drives and listen to them now and then.

diddy sneaking into Pete rocks studio is hilarious

Wow, the Dilla part of this video is very interesting, as I always thought that Dilla actually produced "do for love"..I guess the track resempled so much the dilla sound that I just assumed it. Nice to see that there is actually some truth to my assumptions.

Tupac beat sampled is from Bobby Caldwell(What You Won't Do For Love). Master P sampled it to for(If I Could Change)

Damn. I didn’t know Kanye didn’t produce Down and Out. It’s one of my fav beats from him! 😑

Something like that happened to me once. I was featured on a song that got almost half a mill streams on SoundCloud (which was at peak popularity back then) and was getting thousands of streams on other services, yet I didn’t get any traffic from it since my artist name was misspelled, the artist who was the main artist was doing his best to change that, yet nothing came of it. Morale of the story: Be careful what distributors you work with.

I like your effort in research🔥💯. I still think Puffy is a thief though 😂

The beat also sounds like Tribe Called Quest's Electric Relaxation

Ive been bamboozled. Very shocking especially, the Kanye joint

This is how it be in 93.... till infinity. Sounds like do for love. I thought thats where the waynes got their sample for the intro to their show on tv.

Puffy also flipped the same Oliver Sain sample DITC used on "day one" just a few months after they did, he used it exactly the same tho haha

7:35 - Hell Naw ...that came from my man Notorious B1, from the M-I-Crooked Letter-Crooked Letter

2nd video in, im a fan, cool stuff

The Rhodes on “do for love” are Bobby Caldwell’s “what you won’t do for love” filtered.

I had a beat stolen once, not directly, but remade from a beat I posted on Myspace.

Do you drive a green car around Venice, CA? I saw you

+ Tags can be removed with an easy stem separation vocal remover app It’s not safe out there this video needs a part 2 about beat theft in the digital age

Yeah check out Killin it by Fab and Dre’s Still D.R.E. - definitely different but you can definitely hear a striking similarity

Good video idea for Busy

Whats up bro great video .. yes its crazy I had a portion of one of my loops in loopeeman called traper bellz from kohibabeatz that was used on Travis Scott THANK GOD song the intro bells and I never got no credit ..

11:31 I hate that shxt on songs that I produced. It triggers my soul 😭😂... Great vid as always 👍🏿

number 1 youtuber to watch while eating

sampling another beat and stealing its just sampling lol

It’s a paradox to say someone stole from some else who stole. I mean as a sonic thief myself, isn’t it all stealing? As long as you make something that sounds new. 💯

The mall soundbyte on do for love is used by many like tribe called quest the bass is moog and rhodes played by karlin

Kanye said he didn’t produce the record in an interview he cleared that up