The Story of the British Railways Garratts

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Hello all! :D
This is a reupload of my British Railway Garratt video from October 2020 - the original had to be taken down due to an unforeseen copyright issue.
An often forgotten part of Britain's railway history, the Beyer-Peacock Garratt steam locomotives of the LMS and LNER were the only examples of these types used on the standard-gauge mainline within the UK, while engines of this configuration were more a staple of the colonial railways of the British Empire.
However, while they were based on sensible design principles, their downsizing to UK size came with problems, which meant that their full potential for operation on British steel couldn't be reached.
I realise also I don't mention the Garratt engines used on the preserved narrow-gauge railways of Wales, however, these were originally built for the railways of Tasmania and South Africa and repatriated after withdrawal, they weren't purpose built for Britain's railways like the LMS and LNER units.
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@godzillahomer 2 жыл бұрын

While working at Lickey, the U1 had an interesting incident. One of the LMS Garratts came through needing a banker for the incline. The U1 tried to do the job, but failed. Big Bertha had to go push both up the incline, forming a train with 38 driving wheels.

@ivangenov6782 2 жыл бұрын

38 driving wheels? For a steam powered train that's quite alot

@godzillahomer 2 жыл бұрын

@@ivangenov6782 I recall seeing GWR pannier tanks banking on lickey in footage of the hill. like 3 or 4 being used to bank a train. That's a bit more extreme in my eyes. More crews needed. Lickey does well with big engines like Bertha, the 9Fs, and the BR Class 66s.

@ivangenov6782 2 жыл бұрын

@@godzillahomer *w a t*

@routeman680 2 жыл бұрын

There is a still photo of that occasion. It must have been an amazing sight - and sound - to be there!

@zennor_man 2 жыл бұрын

I can recall hearing the Garratts hauling the coal trains to Cricklewood at night when I lived at Mill Hill in north London back in the 1950's They had a distinctive slow & powerful beat unlike any other locomotives I had heard. Wish I had been able to see them!

@profcraneporter 2 жыл бұрын

Weirdly, arguably the least flawed UK Garratt is the only one preserved, the 0-4-0+0-4-0 William Francis

@highdownmartin 2 жыл бұрын

Stnd gauge.

@profcraneporter 2 жыл бұрын

@@highdownmartin true true, plenty of narrow gauge designs left

@bachtehude2437 2 жыл бұрын

There is actually one preserved British Garratt locomotive at the Bressingham Steam Museum in Norfolk. It's only an 0-4-0+0-4-0 but it is the sole survivor. There are plans to restore it to operating condition.

@theextremeanimator4721 2 жыл бұрын

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/m7ylfLZit9moiac.html This.

@HyperCat72 Жыл бұрын

William Francis, yes?

@johnfellows2867 7 ай бұрын

There were four of them, one was used at Sneyd Colliery, Stoke on Trent.

@typashley5394 2 жыл бұрын

Spent many hours sat on a fence watching them work the Worsbro Bank up to Silkstone. They used to stop and add more wagons out of the Wentworth Silkstone colliery sidings at the bottom of the field where I used to live.

@bahnspotterEU 2 жыл бұрын

It would be cool to see some videos on early electric traction in Britain, like the LBSCR overhead electrification in the South, Southern Railway EMUs of the 20s and 30s or the Tyneside Electrics.

@abloogywoogywoo 2 жыл бұрын

I still find it amazing some of the redundant stock went into making the Queen Mary brakevans (wish the prototypes still existed!)

@mattevans4377 2 жыл бұрын

Don't forget the Wirral line.

@bahnspotterEU 2 жыл бұрын

@@mattevans4377 Oh yes, there are plenty more lines. These just came to my mind the quickest.

@mattevans4377 2 жыл бұрын

@@bahnspotterEU Sorry, I just wanted to mention it as it's special to me considering I live in nearby Liverpool.

@robertwilloughby8050 2 жыл бұрын

Although it's a bit late - they came out in 1937-38 - I'd love to have the 4-COR's on here.

@Ray_D_Tutto 2 жыл бұрын

This would make a great Thomas character for no other reason than deciding where the face would go.

@aardappeleten7701 2 жыл бұрын

Oh their smoke boxes? But that would be quite awkward for the engine, as it wouldn't be able to see much- would be quite an interesting concept tho

@haroldwilkes6608 2 жыл бұрын

Call it the Janus, one face on each end.

@nathanneil5138 2 жыл бұрын

Think a Garratt appeared in one of the Big World Big Adventure episodes, the face was on the front tank, not the smokebox

@Lamp_2155 2 жыл бұрын

@@nathanneil5138 that would make reversing difficult considering its length. He wouldn’t be able to see. Unless if the driver and fireman looked themselves

@nathanneil5138 2 жыл бұрын

@@Lamp_2155 Very likely that was the case

@smedleyfarnsworth263 2 жыл бұрын

Fancy not giving Beyer Peacock free reign on the design, it's not like they did not know how to do it.

@Th3Gr33k Жыл бұрын

I regularly ride my bike up Worsborough incline. It's one hell of a slog. Fair play to these locos for doing that regularly!

@garydurandt4260 2 жыл бұрын

I had the pleasure once as a young boy in the early sixties to travel in the cab of a 20th class Garrett between Ndola and Kitwe in Northern Rhodesia (Zambia) One of my best memories.

@Masire0009 2 жыл бұрын

I saw a photo of the LMS Garratt, LNER U1 and The Lickey Banker all on one train. Pretty amazing. Great video, mate.

@nilanjanmoitra4249 2 жыл бұрын

4:04 - Well this Garratt is currently stationed at the National Railway Museum, New Delhi, India and presumably operated on the Bengal Nagpur Railway route. It is the only Garratt that is present in India and though unfortunately I have not been able to visit the museum yet, but have seen the pictures of the loco from my childhood :) #love_for_your_content_from_India :)

@wilsonlaidlaw 2 жыл бұрын

I saw it there in 2005 (painted bright green). It was not in very good condition, not being helped by being regularly hosed down by the maintenance staff, which was causing a lot of corrosion.

@nilanjanmoitra4249 2 жыл бұрын

@@wilsonlaidlaw Most of the bigger locomotives have to bear scorching heat and rain after being left under the open sky which hastens the corrosion process leaving one and all to view a degrading loco in a museum.

@prabalsharma6190 2 жыл бұрын

Mate, two N class garratts are preserved in India. 815 is at the National Rail Museum, 811 is in Running condition in the Kharagpur workshop. It was restored in 2018.

@prabalsharma6190 2 жыл бұрын

@@wilsonlaidlaw The Garratt at NRM, 815, has been revently refurbished with new parts and paint. The new parts were made alongside the new parts for the restoration of 811 at KGP...

@icdgyixifyinstereo 2 жыл бұрын

There were 2 Garratts in the Delhi museum when I went. They both had Gorton Works plates.

@paulashley2707 2 жыл бұрын

Really enjoy your videos - well-presented, you must have invested a lot of time researching them. Many, many thanks for sharing them with us!

@nicholasfitzsimmons7311 2 жыл бұрын

Shame none survive. Many in Australia survive and 1 is operational, it single handedly restored NSWs steam rail enthusiasm that was at an all time low.

@dominicbarden4436 2 жыл бұрын

The AD60 is a monster of an engine.

@nicholasfitzsimmons7311 2 жыл бұрын

@@dominicbarden4436 one of me faves! With the SMR 10 class and c35 lococ

@dominicbarden4436 2 жыл бұрын

@@nicholasfitzsimmons7311 Honestly, I do have a soft spot for Australian locomotives, especially the British-influenced ones (I'm British so there may be some bias!). Although I will always find it amusing that the track gauge changes from state to state; NSW with standard, QLD, TAS and WA with narrow and SA and VIC with broad (well, Irish Standard).

@totalrecone 2 жыл бұрын

@@dominicbarden4436 We like to things big here in ɐᴉlɐɹʇsn∀

@nicholasfitzsimmons7311 2 жыл бұрын

@@dominicbarden4436 definitely the c35 locos and the 32s, the 32s were built and designed in Britain for Aussie conditions, i think Aussie locos are on equal level aesthetical with the bri'ish ones. (Talking about NSW mainly)

@alltransman5033 2 жыл бұрын

Spent a lot of time at cricklewood steam shed as a kid in the fifties, sadly missed the garratts, it was 8f&9fs, there was a line called the tear drop that dived under the main line adjacent to the north circular road that linked brent east and west yards, its purpose apparently for turning the garratts, I did see other locos using it

@goldstraw360 2 жыл бұрын

Didn't catch this the first time around, Ruaridh, but very glad to have watched it now. Another great job, well done!

@misterflibble6601 Жыл бұрын

Being from the U.S. I've always been fascinated by the UK's many and varied locomotive designs, but I have to say the Garratt is my favorite. A fascinating and well done video on these locomotives. Thanks for posting

@grahamwales3500 2 жыл бұрын

Another excellent video Ruairidh, so informative, well researched and presented as are all of your videos, thank you for all your effort.

@ericcriteser4001 2 жыл бұрын

I had completely forgotten about Garrats. Thank you for sharing.

@rottenroads1982 2 жыл бұрын

One of My Thomas and Friend’s OC’s is based off of the LMS garratt and his name is Aster and he has had many upgrades, and these upgrades stopped his problem of short axle box bearings overheating by having a new larger axle box being fitted in. Aster is still touchy when someone brings up the flaws in his class but over all, Aster is a strong hard working engine.

@PaulR1200 2 жыл бұрын

Brilliant work again. Love your channel!!

@harrisonrawlinson5650 2 жыл бұрын

One of my favourite styles of locomotive. A few years ago I saw one in the Museum of Science and industry in Manchester, it’s massive. Great video, really informative and interesting with great footage. Liked and subscribed

@tonyclough9844 2 жыл бұрын

The garrat in Manchester is a South African one

@nigelslade5276 Жыл бұрын

@@tonyclough9844 It's a GL

@justanotheryoutubechannel 2 жыл бұрын

I discovered these unique trains from OpenTTD, in my UK themed game I had the option to build some but unfortunately I didn’t find them very useful, they were slow and not as powerful as I would like, and their running cost wasn’t much lower than the multiheaded engines I was using, so the loss of speed and sometimes power from switching to a single Garratt just lost me money. It’s a shame they didn’t work out too well in real life either over here but at least they had a successful career overseas.

@kevinsharp6323 Жыл бұрын

bravo chaps, excellent video.

@chaparral82 4 ай бұрын

one major advantage of the Garrattt design was the completely free boiler construction which could be constructed in the theoretical best form. Big and stubby with a complete unrestricted firebox design with simple straight firebox walls and a deep grate with perfect airflow. The only disadvantage was the variation of the weight on drivers when water and coal store decreased during the run.

@richardwood6376 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the very interesting history of the British Garratts. The films of the various Garratts made the video much more than just still photos. I managed to follow the subtitles, however speaking the words was very fast and slightly slower would have been better. First-class, thank you.

@jonistan9268 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for including the RhB G 2/2+2/3 at 0:48

@paulsanderson9586 Жыл бұрын

As with all your videos, well condensed text linked to well chosen videos; very informative - Thank you

@berkeleygang1834 8 ай бұрын

As Spock would say, "fascinating." Thanks for producing this video. Learned a lot.

@markhbfindlay 2 жыл бұрын

The video shows the "other" method of braking unfitted trains going down gradients; the "pinning down" of wagon brakes. I used to do this as a freight guard in the 1980s The driver would stop at the top of the bank and the guard would walk forward and pin brakes down until the driver was satisfied that there was enough brake force. Then the train would proceed slowly down the bank and stop to allow the guard to come forward and release the brakes. Needless to say, this was very slow and inefficient. Diesel engines when first introduced had less brake force than the steam engines that they replaced, so had brake tenders added. These were weighted wagons, typically surplus steam loco tenders or carriage underframes, weighted with concrete blocks and vacuum piped to the loco. I never saw these in action, as I believe they were all withdrawn before the mid '70s. The kinds of trains that I had to pin brake on were ballast trains with the oldest crappiest wagons, all unbraked, or trip workings with just an 08 for traction. Commercial long-distance freights usually had enough fitted head for this not to be necessary, although sometimes the guard would apply his (alway his in those days) screw-on brake in his van (also weighted to 20 tons).

@johnd8892 2 жыл бұрын

Whereas most railways outside the UK had continuous brakes on all vehicles by the time of the first world war. Usually the Westinghouse air brake system.

@lapiswake6583 2 жыл бұрын

Seems like the U1 would've benefited highly from an auto stoker (as per many US types and a handful of standard 9Fs) and some sort of water hardening agent being added to its tanks before being refilled

@johnd8892 2 жыл бұрын

Or the stoker motor Beyer Peacock designed for and used by the Australian AD60 Garrats. Search KZfaq for : Main North Or a preserved one : 6029 steam train race 2018 To see them at work.

@highdownmartin 2 жыл бұрын

I read that the u1 crews would fail it or even help it fail as it was hated so much. Then they could” enjoy “ a few weeks on a standard 3 cyl 2-8-0 paired with another so two crews did the banking. It was a bastard of a job for one fireman on the Garrett

@robertbench4664 2 жыл бұрын

I am really sorry to criticise this video,but like previous people have mentioned,you have made no mention of the Garrett engine that used to work from Baddesley Pit in Warwickshire down to the West Coast Main Line by the Watling Street on the edge of Atherstone next to the Coventry Canal.The engine was used because of the extremely tight curves on the line,and I have seen video on KZfaq of it working the route.The engine was preserved at Bressingham museum/Garden Centre,but last time I saw pictures it did not look in good shape.Hope this is useful for you,as I find your videos usually very good.

@nigelduckworth406 2 жыл бұрын

Very informative and interesting. Thank you. One very minor point is that the 4Fs were often required to travel at considerably more than the 30 mph restriction you have mentioned. This was when they were pressed into service as pilot engines on heavy passenger trains on the Somerset and Dorset railway over the Mendips. and sometimes elsewhere on that system. I have a first hand account by a fireman on a Manchester Express from Bournemouth in which his 4F was pushed to 60 mph after Broadstone Junction. The riding was atrocious even at lower speeds and , as you say, the axleboxes overheated very easily.

@IckAck03 2 жыл бұрын

It's back! Great presentation.

@kydossergal4348 7 күн бұрын

It's interesting to see this having the AD60s here in Australia we have dozens abandoned or only cosmetically restored but 6029 is the only operational AD60 in the country cool to see the origins

@ToddKeck98 2 жыл бұрын

Now that this channel's talking about Garratts, I have a feeling Kitson Meyers will be next. My country used to have 4 of these until 1925.

@sharkymcsharknose2979 2 жыл бұрын

Interesting story on the British Garratts. While I understand where the LMS was coming from, I still think they shot themselves in the foot when they required their Garratts use parts and dimensions from other locomotives. If you're looking for another rail fail to cover, the Baldwin Centipede diesel story is fascinating. It was big everywhere: big dimensions, big performance aspirations, big number of wheels, big official name (DR-12-8-1500/2!), and big design flaws that lead to big failure. Of course, the opposite would make a great documentary too: General Motor's EMD FT. It has the nickname "The Diesel That Did It." The FT was the diesel-electric that convinced American railroads that they could power trains more efficiently than steam.

@Noah_Levy 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this!

@groupcaptainbonzo 2 жыл бұрын

As usual… flippin brillant

@frankmitchell3594 2 жыл бұрын

The LMS Garratts were used frequently on the iron ore trains in Leicestershire travelling through Melton Mowbray.

@abloogywoogywoo 2 жыл бұрын

It's a shame the U1 wasn't preserved or the design flaws ironed out - she was a real she-bear of an absolute unit! If they had a stoker motor to carry the coal to the firebox (like in the Big Boy locos), or just converted her to an oil-burner, I think her performance would outshine the problems.

@johnd8892 2 жыл бұрын

Or the stoker motor Beyer Peacock designed for the Australian AD60 Garrats. Search KZfaq for : Main North Or a preserved one : 6029 steam train race 2018 To see them at work.

@kaitlyn__L 2 жыл бұрын

I was just wondering if the coalmen’s job could be automated, I guess so!

@johnd8892 2 жыл бұрын

@@kaitlyn__L not really automated for the fireman's work. Just less shovelling coal. Still needed to decide when and how much more coal was needed and the most important part of keeping the right water levels in the boiler . Mechanical coal feed introduced when new large locomotives needed too much coal for the fireman to shovel. Became an employment law in some countries limiting the fire grate area that was allowed to be hand fired by shovel only. Also attention to the fire still needed to get the right evenness of fire needed. Still hard work.

@andrewfayers9147 2 жыл бұрын

I understand she was converted to oil burning, but caused golfers on an adjacent course to complain to BR about smoke.

@routeman680 2 жыл бұрын

Competely agree. The firegrate area was 56.5 square feet, bigger than any other engine on British Railways. A mechanical stoker would also have benefited other locomotives which were large by British standards, like the Duchesses and the A1s and A2s. They were rarely worked to capacity because the fireman could not keep up with the boiler's capacity to burn coal and make steam. Of course the crews preferred to avoid a heart attack. Even the 9Fs were lightly used. German engineers visting Swindon or Didcot in the late 1950s were apparently astonished at how little was demanded of these modern engines.

@routeman680 2 жыл бұрын

Great video, and amazing to see the LMS Garratts in colour at the end. Just one note. The LNER U1 Garratt was not based on the Robinson 8K (LNER class O4) 2-cylinder 2-8-0 but Gresley's O2 2-8-0, which had 3 cylinders. The U1 running units were like two O2s back to back, with a total of 6 cylinders.

@jandoerlidoe3412 2 жыл бұрын

How strange that LMS insisted on Beyer Peacock to use a ineffective valve system on the locomotives build for them....

@newobanproductions999 2 жыл бұрын

Don't blame the LMS, blame Derby Works as just about everything in their design practice was flawed from the start.

@klbird 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks. Never saw one of these when I was in Britain. I do have the HO model however and it will haul a good number of ore wagons on my line.

@alfretwell428 2 жыл бұрын

A Beyer Garrett engine worked around our local coal mine in Warwickshire got some pictures of it somewhere, that would have been in the 1960’s

@elijahgreenberg2634 2 жыл бұрын

The Challenger and Big Boy are actually not technically Mallets, because, though articulated, they do not make use of compounding (using the exhaust steam from the rear set of drivers to power the front set,) a key feature of Mallets, resulting in higher power, but less efficiency.

@MilkDrinker218 Жыл бұрын

Now I can only imagine a Garratt with one wheelset slipping violently and the other wheelset perfectly fine. Probably didn’t happen often, if at all, but the possibility intrigues me.

@kiwitrainguy 9 ай бұрын

It actually used to happen quite often from what I've read in railway books. When going up a grade the water from the front tank would run back in to the back tank so there would be a loss of adhesion on the front drivers while the back drivers would still have plenty of weight on them. But they only had one regulator/throttle so when the steam was cut to the front drivers to stop the slip the steam would be cut to the rear drivers as well, a real problem.

@Canaveral100 2 жыл бұрын

As a steam locomotive mechanic a comment on the corrosion and scale issue in boilers: Scale does not prevent corrosion. Scale buildup is in itself a threat to the boiler. Corrosion in boilers is mostly a problem with the oxygen content in the water and its pH level. Both have been historically and are today controlled with chemical additives. But there have been in historic times and today steam railways that don't take the topic of water treatment serious enough. The result is as here described unnecessary damages to the engine and a shortened life.

@sjaakmcd1804 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome, thank you.

@mikesanders5433 2 жыл бұрын

Great video. Thanks ☺️

@davidmason7765 6 күн бұрын

Thanks for such a helpful video. I never properly understood til now why the LMS and LNER garratts were not better. To be fair, the very successful African garratts did come rather later NSW's AD60 Garratts encountered a fair amount of initial resistance here too. They were much better engineered than the LMS and LNER examples - NSW Government Railways as a long time Beyer Peacock customer let the Manchester designers do the work they knew best - and far more powerful, and had the essential element of mechanical stokers. But Issues for crews included that in single line tunnels there was no safe means of escape if the train stalled or worse, and unions rightly imposed bans on some sections. Trials with snorkels did not work, also there were issues with the length of the engines hindering crews hearing track maintenance warning detonators. Retrofitting with dual controls so they could be driven funnel trailing helped quite a bit. As a 13 year old I rode behind 6042 in 1973, and at 63 I saw 6029 running weekend before last, sounding awesome.

@TheTrainspotterFromTauranga 2 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately the New Zealand Railways Garratts were a failure, as they weren't properly adapted for NZ conditions. For reference, they were built by Beyer Peacock of Manchester in 1928, and ran on 3ft 6inch gauge track. The engines were numbered as G 98, G 99 and G 100. They were six-cylinder machines like LNER U1. The engines were too powerful for existing couplings, and there were problems with the mechanical stokers. Crossing loops were also too short for the trains these Garratts were intended to haul. The Garratt trio were retired in 1935 but not withdrawn until 1937. In the end, the engine units from the G class Garratts were used in the construction of six G class 4-6-2s, but none of them survived into preservation.

@cr10001 2 жыл бұрын

The tragedy is that a smaller, less ambitious Garratt of say 2/3rds the size, would likely have been a great success. Such a loco would have had 50% more power than existing locos (which were struggling with the loads). The Class G's were just too big a step forward. If introduced today (if steam was still a thing) they might be perfectly successful, since crossing loops and trains are longer, and wagon drawgear stronger.

@harrypenn611 2 жыл бұрын

Brilliant as normal

@ajidamarjati 2 жыл бұрын

I think the Union Pacific 4000 Classes (a.k.a The Big Boy) is not a Mallet, since Mallet engine should have multiple steam expansion process (2 different pistons - high pressure and the low pressure). The 2 sets pistons installed on Big Boy have similar size and steam presure. Because of that, Big Boy considered as simple articulated engine.

@davidrayner9832 Жыл бұрын

Yes, but when most people say 'Mallet' they mean that system of articulation. If you say 'simple articulated' are you talking about a loco like a Big Boy or 99% of Garratt locos?

@ajidamarjati Жыл бұрын

@@davidrayner9832 Just the Big Boy and other north american simple articulated engines.

@sirjohng1 2 жыл бұрын

I saw these and 9f's going through Kettering on coal trucks in earlymid 1950's. The 9's were working in two' and threes using whistle codes.

@prabalsharma6190 2 жыл бұрын

The Garratt at 4:04 is the Bengal Nagpur Railway Class N. India also used Garratts to some extent in Bengal, Darjeeling and the NWR...

@texhow1 2 жыл бұрын

These were made in Gorton near where we lived in Manchester, my Dad worked nearbye at Crossley engines nearbye in Openshaw.

@stephensmith799 2 ай бұрын

The UK based standard gauge Garretts were Fireman Killers all. One wrote that his driver said while firing a Toton Garrett ‘Keep shovelling. Don’t stop!’ And even doing exactly that he barely made enough steam. Their scrapping represented no great loss. ‘Unpopular with engine crews’ doesn’t quite capture what firemen thought of them which was unprintable!

@iansinclair521 2 жыл бұрын

It should be noted that, strictly speaking, Mallet refers to an articulated compound locomotive. While some of the big US articulated locomotives were compounds, that really outstanding examples -- the Union Pacific "Big-Boy" 4-8-84 and the various Challengers (4-6-64) were --and in the case of the Union Pacific examples, are -- simple.

@bigcountry8636 2 жыл бұрын

Most of the big articulated locomotives that the UP had prior to the Challengers and Big Boys we’re originally true Mallets but I believe some of the larger ones (2-8-8-0s) were converted to a simple articulated later in their lives

@mattevans4377 2 жыл бұрын

It's amazing to think how much of a better loco the 9F was compared to the Garrets, despite it being quite an unremarkable engine when compared to the Garrets.

@stuart9862 2 жыл бұрын

9f has nothing on the Australian and South African Railways garrets dunno why the pommy railways just didn't leave the design to Beyer they would have received perfectly functional locomotives

@sindilek.mhlanga2891 2 жыл бұрын

@@stuart9862 Agree... Functional enough to last 60-70 years like the Rhodesian/Zimbabwean Garratts...

@JeanLucCaptain Жыл бұрын

i am very interest in armored trains and i love this video on this uniegue style of steam loco! i had no idea that there were flexible hinged steam trains. Could you maybe do some video on armoured trains in colonial conflcits?

@Hornhausen 2 жыл бұрын

Amazing.

@black5f 2 жыл бұрын

The culture of the MR was double heading with small engines. This was carried through to the LMS when they took on the roster, famous storey about two single wheelers trying to pull a coal train getting stuck over a crossing in Kettering. Yes the LMS insisted on standard parts. At the end of the day, Garratts, the UK was supplying engines arounf the world with roller bearings, auto stokers etc. Very efficient engines. But the UK was stuck in the 19th century. A friend of mine who passed in 2020 was a Wellingborough goods shed fireman and used to work these machines. I don't want to start a conspiracy here.... but a storey he told me... he came across two union reps putting sand in the oil boxes of one of these one night and was told to just walk away and forget what he'd seen or get beaten up. That's a True storey.

@johnd8892 2 жыл бұрын

Heard a story by Nine Elms staff of shovelling sand on the M7 locos inside motion in the hope they would fail and be replaced by the much easier to prepare and handle BR Standard tanks that were in plentiful supply by the sixties.

@michaeld5888 Жыл бұрын

The union side of the railways was very odd. I encountered it when I delivered a 35cwt Luton van full of goods to Kings Cross freight depot many many years ago. There were scores of people walking around with 2 wheel hand trolley barrows each with one item on it. I asked if someone could help me unload but to no avail and had to unload it all myself which had never happened in any other place I had gone to. It was very difficult interacting with any of them on where to get the paperwork done or what to do and where to put it all. It was by far the strangest unfriendliest place I have ever been to in all my life.

@black5f Жыл бұрын

@@michaeld5888 I totally believe you. My Dad passed recently, very old. After he retired from his career he took up a bit of part time delivery work for some fun mostly. He told me a story about a delivery to a B Leyland plant with car parts. He was prevented from entering the site because the van issued to him was a Peugeot! They suggested he parked and carried in the parts? Which he did not of course.

@Evaunit98 2 жыл бұрын

There was one more type of (standard gauge) Garratt, the William Francis, it’s a smaller Garratt than the LMS and the LNER’s monsters but it was still a brilliant engine and is still around today

@stevie-ray2020 2 жыл бұрын

There's a restored Garrett here in Sydney, New South Wales, but apparently it's only done a few trips between Central & Hurstville because the pandemic restrictions prevented them running any excursions to Robertson in the Southern Highlands. As the journey takes the route along the East Hills Line, I will have the opportunity to see it pass by as I live not far from Narwee & Riverwood stations!

@daviddonne7333 2 жыл бұрын

I think there's an ADO 60 sitting up at Dorrigo and is unfortunately just rotting away like everything else there. The only good thing is that the line to Glenreagh which was used to bring a lot of the rolling stock up on, is now unusable so it means that the nutter at Dorrigo is unable to bring more stuff up and just have it turn to rust.

@ianlowery6014 Жыл бұрын

Search KZfaq for 6089. It is a magnificent, fully operational museum piece. It is also a powerful brute.

@CornishGardenTeam 3 ай бұрын

a quick clip of the Garratts operating on the Welsh Highland Railway would he a nice addition at the end. Downsized versions but still Garratts.🙂

@drewzero1 2 жыл бұрын

Quick note: Big Boy, while articulated, was not a Mallet as it did not compound the steam from the different sets of cylinders. Earlier American articulated locos did use the Mallet design, but the secondary cylinders would have been too large and heavy on Big Boy.

@keithalaird 2 жыл бұрын

The N&W A class 2-6-6-4s were also simple engines, not Mallets. The unbuilt N&W Y7class, while a design development of the original USRA Mallets were also supposed to built as simple engines.

@N330AA 2 жыл бұрын

Good episode, i love the Garratts. Esp the African ones. Ruairidh would you consider doing an episode about the Class 37? Given that it's over 60 years old now and still going strong!

@maxtivey32 2 жыл бұрын

Personally, I prefer the NSWGR AD60 4-8-4 + 4-8-4 Garratts here in New South Wales, Australia. Four still exist, with one (6029) restored and in running order.

@likklej8 Жыл бұрын

I saw two Garretts at Stoke on Trent sheds from a Liverpool bound train as a young child,they were in a dirty sorry condition.It was before I started train spotting so sadly I couldn’t count them as copped!

@2666loco 2 жыл бұрын

Big Boys and many American articulateds were not Mallets. Their cylinders were all equal size. C&O and N&W loved Mallets. Good video, thanks.

@haroldwilkes6608 2 жыл бұрын

Very interesting.

@wharris302 2 жыл бұрын

Just a correction, big boy was not a mallet

@aidenwhite2838 2 жыл бұрын

1:07 the mallet design was also used on the Union Pacific Challenger class of steam locomotives and the Southern Pacific Cab Forwards

@johnd8892 2 жыл бұрын

And also dozens of other US railroads own articulated designs, but no Garratts.

@gravelydon7072 2 жыл бұрын

No, a Challenger while an articulated loco, is not a Mallet. It is a "simple" loco that has no compounding. All cylinders are fed high pressure steam. Southern Pacific Cab Forward 4294 is also a "simple" loco and is the only Cab Forward that still exists of the ones SP owned. The 4000 class were Cab Forward Mallets with a 2-8-8-2 wheel arrangement but the 4294 was a 4200 class loco with a 4-8-8-2 arrangement.

@jimosborne7638 2 жыл бұрын

correction the challengers and cab forwards were not mallets they both used high pressure steam in all 4 cylinders ie NOT compound

@gravelydon7072 2 жыл бұрын

@@jimosborne7638 Early cab forwards on the SP were Mallets. It was the later classes that were simple articulated locos. Class MC-2 #4002-4016 were built as 26X30 ( HP ) and 40x30 ( LP ) cylinder locos.

@ericlees7518 2 жыл бұрын

my grandad worked at beyer peacocks on gorton lane manchester 18 helping to build them the factory has now sadly long gone along with all our british manufacturing in this country he was a boiler maker blacksmith there the steam hammers in the forge could be heard night and day grandmas walls in the bedroom were full of plaster cracks due to the steam hammer and the thuding sound through the nights too mmmm

@Tom-Lahaye 2 жыл бұрын

The Garratt was just too powerful for Britain's railways, although the LMS type could have been more successful when the LMS had listened to Beyer Peacock. But 1958 was not all end for the Garratt on the standard gauge in the UK, as a small 0-4-0+0-4-0 Garratt named Sir William Francis steamed on until 1966 at Baddesley colliery in Warwickshire, that is also the only preserved Garratt that was originally built for use in the UK.

@heronimousbrapson863 Жыл бұрын

Mallet-type engines were used in North America, but I never heard that Garrets were.

@errol2605 2 жыл бұрын

I find it interesting how garratt refer to a specific style of locomotive instead of being like gresley, referring to the locomotive designer, since there's such variety in garratt designed locomotives. anyway I kinda wish there were more garratt locomotives preserved they're genuinely a cool design. ik there's one complete asg preserved in victoria and one boiler in tasmania but that afaik is pretty rusted out :(

@obelic71 2 жыл бұрын

Often enginering things are called after the engineer who invented it. Rudolf Diesel ( Diesel engine ) Earle S.Mac pherson (Macpherson strut) Anatole Mallet ( mallet engine ) Herbert William Garratt ( Garratt engine )

@garrya100 2 жыл бұрын

We have 6029 alive and well in NSW, she regularly does tours and you can experience being hauled by a Garrett.

@errol2605 2 жыл бұрын

@@garrya100 hopefully if covid gets under control over there I will!

@Kevin-go2dw 2 жыл бұрын

In Melbourne, Victoria the Puffing Billy Railway has two Garrat locomotives in operating condition, G42 and NG129 and in the museum is another South African Garrat. On the Bellarine peninsular is the sole remaining ASG (Australian Standard Garrat) as well as another which operated at Faynsford. Interstate, I am sure there are preserved examples in New South Wales, Queensland and South Australia. The cab of G42 I found to spacious and the ride smooth when compared to the Na locomotives. Once you had built up your fire, you could easily handle a full load.

@smedleyfarnsworth263 2 жыл бұрын

There is two Garratts in full working order just near me.

@williamkennedy5492 2 жыл бұрын

There is one in the science museum Manchester UK , i think it was used in south africa. it really is a big beast.

@andrewyoung749 2 жыл бұрын

yes ex sar gl class. most powerful garrat ever built. spent their lives hauling very heavy trains out of either durban or PE harbour up a hill

@hywelroberts1653 Жыл бұрын

Also there is one standard Gauge Garratt here in Britain that is preserved and ever since 2020 people have attempted to bring it back to service

@davidchadwick1892 2 жыл бұрын

Many Thanks for this, do you have any way to compare the performance of the Garratts with the Mallet/Simplex Mallet articulated locos preferred by , say US railways?

@routeman680 2 жыл бұрын

You can compare tractive effort, which is just a calculation based on boiler pressure, cylinder dimensions and driving wheel diameter. Horsepower is hard to measure on a steam locomotive, and the same locomotive can produce widely different results depending on how hard it is worked. Most British locomotives were very lightly worked compared with Europe or the US.

@rhodrage 2 жыл бұрын

These are the kind of engines I wish were preserved

@theextremeanimator4721 2 жыл бұрын

There are many still existing in Africa, South America, and New Zealand

@rhodrage 2 жыл бұрын

@@theextremeanimator4721 I mean the British ones specifically

@theextremeanimator4721 2 жыл бұрын

@@rhodrage Actually...i forgot there was one that _did_ survive! Here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/m7ylfLZit9moiac.html

@johnd8892 2 жыл бұрын

@@theextremeanimator4721 none in New Zealand. Their six cylinder ones a short lived disaster. Australia has the most survivors.

@harrymu148 4 ай бұрын

Weird idea: I wonder if a specially made pneumatic fireless could be made to recompress air when braking so can ease the demand on the brakes? Further, adding mechanical stokers and other conveniences could have allowed better creature comforts

@scarletlightning565 2 жыл бұрын

the note about fast-wearing brakes makes me wonder: could/did crews notch back into reverse to assist in braking? Also, was that at all a common practice on real steam locos? I know it's theoretically possible and works in Derail Valley VR, but I would love to hear more about it and other tricks and quirks of engine operation.

@98LuckyLuk 2 жыл бұрын

Depends on the engine. There are two principle methods for that: counter-steam-braking ans counter-pressure-braking. Just look it up.

@officialmcdeath 2 жыл бұрын

Seen it mentioned as the main method of downhill speed regulation on the Brienzer Rothorn Bahn \m/

@scarletlightning565 2 жыл бұрын

@@98LuckyLuk Thanks for the reply. I wasn't aware of those spesific terms, both were an enlightening read, thank you

@hawkerhellfire9152 Жыл бұрын

I've heard about the Fowler bearings multiple times with no justification for why they went with them. Was there any benefit?

@vincentweatherly9991 2 жыл бұрын

I’ve always wondered, what’s the thing in front of the boiler used for? Is it water on the front and coal at the back?

@johnd8892 2 жыл бұрын

Water tank at the chimney end and coal at the firebox end.

@linndoria 2 жыл бұрын

Maybe Rapido Trains UK could make a few OO model variations?

@ivangenov6782 2 жыл бұрын

1:10 that is infact not the N&W 2156 Y6a class but a N&W A class, cool video nonetheless

@Dondo_Golden_Rose 2 жыл бұрын

In addition to this, the big boy and a class locomotives were not mallets, but were just articulated steam locomotives

@ivangenov6782 2 жыл бұрын

@@Dondo_Golden_Rose a mallet is not a type of steam locomotive it's the design, just like the garratt and double fairie design, the big boys are mallet designs

@colbeausabre8842 2 жыл бұрын

@@ivangenov6782 No the Big Boys are NOT Mallets. They are simple rather than compond machines. Mallets patents were for compund machines

@ivangenov6782 2 жыл бұрын

@@colbeausabre8842 no you fucking self falsifying idiot, a mallet is the design of the articulation, wether the locomotive is compound or simple is another topic, the Garratt as shown here has a boiler literally hanging in midair as a coal/oil tank behind the boiler is on driving wheels and the water tank is infront of the boiler which is also on driving wheels, a mallet is when two sets of driving wheels are both under the boiler but the back set of drivers are attached to the main frame but the front set are not and are connected to the main frame via a pin, a double fairie design is when a tank engine has a cab in the middle and both set of drivers are connected to the main frame via a pin, it has nothing to do with the simple and compound design, it's the design of the articulation of the locomotive. Period.

@ivangenov6782 2 жыл бұрын

@@colbeausabre8842 sorry for the insult, not in the best mood

@adamdrummer1991 2 жыл бұрын

Thankfully we have the narrow gauge garratts on the welsh highland, the NGG16s

@johnd8892 2 жыл бұрын

And the very first Garratt built, the Tasmanian railways K1. Although being so historic it is only run on special occasions.

@theextremeanimator4721 2 жыл бұрын

Will there be one about those in Africa?

@user-yr9xq4dc2o 7 ай бұрын

great video joaquim antunes - são paulo brasil

@icarus_falling 2 жыл бұрын

Drivers and firemen refused to share the respirators? Could you expand on fhat? We're just 2 respirators available so crews had to share with other crews?

@Trainman-xm3wd 2 жыл бұрын

6:14 this is the very reason why most American steam locomotives that burn coal using a stoker

@routeman680 2 жыл бұрын

Yes, in Britain we were half a century behind US practice in that regard!

@harrymu148 2 жыл бұрын

I wonder if lengthening the boiler would help the efficiency.

@TallboyDave 2 жыл бұрын

I must admit, it's always puzzled me; I mean, it might just be me not understanding the situation, but I was under the impression that the LNWR was the 'big cheese' on that side of Britain, and the Midland Railway was a second banana to 'The Premier Line'; so how did the MR basically become the overall dominant force within the LMS?

@sudarshanpujari5503 2 жыл бұрын

Beyer garret was running on steam in india a couple of years back

@fritz46 2 жыл бұрын

Non-British locomotives shown in the video: - 0:07 SAR class 25 with condenser tender (South Africa, cape gauge) - 0:36 NZR class G (New Zealand, cape gauge) - 0:46 SAR class U "Union Garratt" (coal bunker on the main frame, not on the "bogie") - 0:49 RhB class G 2/2+2/3 (Switzerland, Rhätische Bahn, metre gauge) - 0:50 SAR class GMA/GMAM (the most numerous Garratt class built) - 1:05 Union Pacific Big Boy - 1:10 unclear, looks like a 2-6-6-4, so it's _not_ the Norfolk & Western 2156 - 1:13 (several clips) EAR class 59 (East African Railways, largest metre gauge locomotive ever built) - 3:36 RR/NRZ class 15 (Rhodesia/Zimbabwe, cape gauge) - 4:06 BNR class N (Bengal Nagpur Railway, India, 1676 mm gauge)

@nigelslade5276 Жыл бұрын

EA 59 class Garratt were designed for dual gauge , as all EA locomotives, Meter or 3ft 6ins gauge. The change over never happened. The 59 would have been the most powerful 3ft 6ins locomotive ever built.

@LHoriginal 2 жыл бұрын

2:39 wath had a massive rail yard, shame that all that remains is an old tunnel that's full with water and a little memorial statue from a crash (look up "Yorkshire train disaster" if you want to see an old British pathe clip of it)

@darylcheshire1618 2 жыл бұрын

The Australian Garratts didn’t seem to heve the problems, the NSWGR 60 class, the 3’6” gauge ASG and the 2’6” gauge G42 (Puffing Billy’s big brother) seemed to run ok and were replaced by diesels. (except G42).

@heatherrooken-smith6983 Жыл бұрын

was it charcoal that was used to stoke the Garrett engines in Kenya

@grumpyoldman47 2 жыл бұрын

Is the loco at 0.48 a Garratt or a Modified Fairlie? Doesn't seem to be much of a gap between the cab and the rear tank/bunker

@chygwelanmeneth 2 жыл бұрын

It looks like a South African Railways' U-class, a so-called Union-Garratt, blt by J.A.Maffei in 1927 (neither Modified Fairlies or true Garratts - the front tank is articulated but the rear bunker is cantilevered from the main frame.) SAR had 10 of them.