I will always answer this question... yes I enjoy your channel

I love my Saturn. I still play it quite a bit. I did want to see more from the Pluto. It looked pretty good.

Yeah

Could you review the phantom.

@@zasandfan1922 that is a very good , playformer much like X-men 2 SEGA and SNES.

@channelofstuff As a Japanese company founded by an American, they were always doomed to have this identity crisis. It’s a damn shame that management couldn’t keep the internal competition in check, like a great basketball coach. Because they employed some of the best talent in the history of the industry during the 80s and 90s.

SEGA of Japan. SEGA of America had great management that was overridden by SoJ from 1994 on. That's when I left as a customer.

Can you Release this Scans on the NeoGaf Forum?

How is this going?

I haven't heard from him in 2 years and his SM accounts haven't been touched in that time, so it's more a missing persons thing right now. @@MaxAbramson3

SEGA dug its own grave with that nonsense

You all took the words right out of my mouth. Too bad SEGA didn't learn their lesson from simultsneously working on the 32x and Saturn...

Imagine producing the megadrive, the megajet, the mega cd, the nomad, the gamegear, master system, the multiemega, the 32x and the Saturn all at the same time in overlapping intervals at a time when their sales are dropping

SEGA back in those days was like Schizophrenia. I certainly don't mean to put anyone under any kind of notion of stereotyping in anyway, but Sega Japan's and Sega America's "Split"(Schizo) sense on how Sega(the "mind"(phrenia)) as a whole should move forward really did damage amongst their brand(mental stability). Which created a split minded effect on the stability of their company(the body of Sega). And now, they're a shadow of their former self(catatonia). Sorry if what I'm saying may be a bit on the complicated side of explaining things. I admittedly have a tendency to use different ways of explaining certain subjects using different diminutives, logic, and other stuff to try make things well.......interesting.

Lol armchair engineering at its finest.

And Sega of Japan resented the NA branch because of it.

Imagine if Sega did not flood the market with 32x and cd add ons in the states. What if the Dreamcast would of succeeded instead of becoming the Xbox.

Imagine being that kid that was constantly compared to the more successful sibling. That's Sega Japan. And instead of looking for ways they could do better Sega Japan resented Sega America.

The Saturn did better than Genesis... in Japan.

Sometimes greatness can't be contained by human imperfection

Should have just used Vulkan ;)

you could just throw a voodoo 1 into a windows 95 with a 233mhz pentium computer and see for yourself lol.but in reality since I own a powerVR gpu and a voodoo 1 the voodoo 1 is hands down more powerful.I would pay a good chunk of money for a black belt dev kit if it could run the normal dreamcast games

Sega made the right choice for the Dreamcast, it came the next gen Arcade system and was so much more advance then there system 3, which think the Black Belt was aiming for. Sony's high advertising and stunt campaigns, which Sega could not afford, was Sega downfall. 😭 Long live the Dreamcast ❤️

@@KJW648 the vr chip it uses is actually much less powerful then a voodoo chip.I own both of these cards for the pc and the console would have been much more capable with a 3dfx chip

@@kyles8524 We will never know. We do not know which chip was into the console. We do not know if it was really the pc chip or maybe just custom chip much weaker than their pc counter part. Hardwise there was nothing wrong with the Dreamcast. The marketing was the problem and the over hype from the Sony side of things concerning the ps2.

@@kyles8524 The 3dfx early chips was basic and only covert 3d graphics, not like there voodoo cards which was a full graphics card. 3dfx also announced that they where development for Sega, even though they where told to keep it silent, this pissed off Sega big time. I own both on pc and worked on arcade machines. Great to have first 3d graphics card chips, but there graphics where " soft ", VR was sharp and detail, then the days of Nvidia 👍 who bought 3dfx and dumped them straight away, only keeping "SLI" .

Same, love the PowerVR2 and it was ahead of its time, however, by working with 3dfx with no intention of actually using their GPU and political maneuvering to keep competitors from working with them, Sega soured a ton of western developers. They should not have led 3dfx on in the first place.

@@madhatter8508 Sounds a bit like 3DFX signed a crappy contract tbh.

Yes it is I'm glad Sega Dreamcast was my first game console in 1999.

@@haraldhimmel5687 Sounds a bit like Sega lied to and defrauded them, which is why Sega had to pay out tens of millions of dollars in a court settlement and the Dreamcast fell flat on its face after gamers watched Sega screw yet another party who had misplaced faith in them. Everybody who saw the 3dfx deal fall apart knew exactly how 3dfx felt because we felt it with the Sega CD, the 32X and the Saturn

@@theshield1613 was amazing think i had it before ps2 n xbox was first time playing online on a game console

Yeah that underpriced DVD player that was the PS2 definitely destroyed all the competition. Even though the Gamecube was more powerful they too screwed themselves by not just using a regular DVD. Liked the PS2 but even compared to the weaker Dreamcast it's visuals were just awful and muddy looking. Shit even the Code Veronica port to PS2 looked worse then on Dreamcast.

A controller with a second joystick too.

In the Beginning that's all PS2 was good for! But Dreamcast ran into Bottle a Neck of sorts! GD Rom vs DVD Storage for Games was a Massive disadvantage in the Long Run for Sega! Example Grand Theft Auto 3 and Vice City for Example! How Many GD Rom's would have made up those games? One of My favorites on DC (D2) takes up Four!

@@dustineffler7658 Xbox 360 can compete with Playstation 3 with Dual Layer DVD only , so it was possible for Dreamcast with GD-ROM to compete with Playstation 2.

They needed to wait one more year which is what Sony was doing in order for the manufacturing costs of DVD to come down enough to make it viable but the Saturn was bleeding too much money for Sega to wait not to mention that 10 million lawsuit payout

I bought one second hand solely to play Saturn Bomberman, which is basically the only decent game that system had to itself. Lol.

I owned a Sega Saturn and it was brilliant.

@@dannywholuv What are the best games? I found about half a dozen good ones it's a very small library. I do like the hardware though, has a cool feel and look to it except that stupid memory card. I mean that plain sucks lol but the console and the gamepad are fairly nice. Saturn Bomberman is literally the one I Play :D

@@DailyCorvid Street Fighter Alpha 2's best port was on Saturn... really though, the Saturn's 2D fighters were all best in class, but since the PSX could play ports that were good enough and many devs were willing to experiment with 3d games, it was an easy choice for anyone who played other types of games. The PSX library was way better than the Saturn in general, at least if you didn't speak Japanese.

@@DailyCorvid Legend of Oasis, Panzer Dragoon series, Dragonforce series, Shining Force 3, Virtua Fighter 2, Last Bronx, Guardian Heroes, Albert Odyssey, Shining the Holy Ark, Dark Savior, Three Dirty Dwarves, Die Hard Arcade, Capcom's arcade ports like Dungeons and Dragons and Xmen Vs Streetfighter, Nights into Dreams, Astal, Sega Rally, Daytona USA, Lots of Shmups and 2D fighters especially if you get into the imports and other imports like PuLiRuLa, Princess Crown, Warriors of Fate, Nekketsu Oyako (clearly inspired by streets of rage), Waku Waku 7. Also prob my favorite version of Earthworm Jim 2 (having the cd soundtrack and the sega saturn controller) but every version basically plays the same. Soviet Strike, Herc's Adventure and Warcraft II got a lot of play for me but also on other systems. Some people like Shinobi Legions for it, but I think it's hot garbage and plays like crap personally. I mean, you may not like any of those games listed either though lol. Everyone's got their favorite genres and most will agree that if you like Shmups and 2D fighters, Sega Saturn had a lot.

Yeah I know what ya mean with the pictures of Bernie making you wish you could punch him

Not arguing with you, just curious what you mean by that? I am very interested.

Same same same.

House of the dead! What a game!

All playable on series X aka the Dreamcast 5

Saturn Bomberman is literally, the only exclusive game that system ever had but they didn't make the most of it. That alone could have been a system seller. Too busy measuring dicks with the Japanese!! Lol. Clear who wins that battle. Typical though Sega are absolutely clueless when it comes to business, and did the same thing to the Dreamcast - which is a shame because the hardware was pretty cool. But how did they encourage sales of this amazing new console? By rushing it out the door £100 overpriced with barely any games, and even less good ones. What wasted potential. To be fair though, Sega never made great consoles they always played the "other guy" in gaming. No ambition., the opposite of ALL the other players even Nintendo. And Nintendo are the WORST.

I like the Saturn better than dreamcast

The Saturn's tenure as the bestselling console in Japan was very short lived and driven almost entirely by Virtua Fighter. Sony was very smart about understanding the inventory problems of the Mom & Pop stores that then dominated the Japanese game market and offered them the ability to place orders weekly for fulfillment the following week. This was a huge improvement to their stock management and being able to react quickly to hits and turkeys among new releases. Although Sega had been using optical media for a while, they hadn't really overcome the mentality formed during over a decade of mask ROM products that required orders to be made months in advance. That could put shops in a precarious position if they over or under ordered a title, as their next order would be fulfilled until after the game had faded from hit status or was universally known to be bad. Optical media cost no more for small orders than large orders and a production line could quickly change the files and image being placed on the discs. Mask ROM manufacturing is extremely lethargic by comparison. Thus Sony big win for the Playstation wasn't just in the content but in offering the retailers a better way to do businesses and thus lead them to recommend Playstation to their customers. A few years later everybody understood the full implications of optical media but in the mid-90s it required a new way of thinking about game manufacturing and distribution to fully exploit.

@@epobirs Best Selling 'Sega' console in Japan.

yes

Facts sadly

Somthing tells me you are a little biased

LMAO

@@brettdulaney697 🐢 no way

rotfl! :D

IDK sometimes prototypes dont make it for a reason. The Dreamcast was a fine console with a decent lineup and got pretty much killed by Segas constant mismanagement. 3DFX was a big number in the late 90s but pretty much died shortly after, so who knows how big the gap really was. I kind of doubt they didn't even bother to compare their consoles. The infuriating part IMHO is that they wasted all those resources on a separate console just to kill it off.

Well Sega wouild have at least 10 million more in their pocket that they didnt need to pay out via lawsuit

MS originally approached Sega to use their namesake to market the Xbox. Both companies were very close at the time. This is evident in the DC having Windows CE. Dreamcast had a fairly robust web browser for the time. And, after Sega went exclusively third-party they continued the partnership with MS by releasing Panzer Dragoon Orta, Jet Set Radio Future, Shenmue 2, Crazy Taxi 3, Toejam & Earl 3, GunValkyrie and more.

Xbox was actually developed around use of Microsofts DX10 graphics API, hence the term X in the name (Direct X box). Microsoft just licenced out all the games, same with Nintendo when they bought Rare. Good move MS.

@@DailyCorvid DirectX9* Newer directX didn’t come until the XB360

Now imagine looking at the naked circuitry of an N64, the Silicon Graphics home supercomputer beast! 🥵

You can get VSA-100 chips for only $25 these days, and there are large quantities available because everybody wants the Revision 3 chips you can run at 200+ MHz. There are a couple guys who've printed their own custom boards and built their own Voodoo5 cards. I'd love to build my own for a Win98 gaming rig someday. And maybe someday we'll have a Voodoo on an FPGA too. The PowerVR2 was a great GPU, and I'm sure it cost less than the chip 3dfx were producing, but SOJ overlooked just how popular GLIDE was and how important the relationship between 3dfx and western developers was.

PowerVR over 3DFX was likely the best decision, everything else was bad management. I don't think "not respecting American companies" had anything to do with Sega's demise. Care to clarify?

@@MrDbrennen SOJ saying 3DFX wasn't powerful enough to run a certain game was a blatant lie. PowerVR was cheaper but, they weren't as powerful as 3DFX/Voodoo. Japan in the ’80s and ’90s had a lot of disrespect for American companies, a known fact. I owned a PowerVR 2 and could hardly run Quake at 1024x768 resolution whereas Voodoo ran Quake at the resolution with no problem. And back then Quake was the standard. Now days you can emulate most of SOJ’s games on a voodoo running at 60 frames per second with no problems.

@@dirtmerchant4718 The PowerVR2 in the PC cards was nowhere near as powerful as the one in the Dreamcast.

@@MrDbrennen Sega alienated western developers many times over the course of the 1990s. First with the Sega CD they dumped on SOA with no documentation, pulling the plug on it by 1993 and leaving it to 3rd party developers and SOA to support, then with the 32X they poorly documented and pulled the plug on it within six months, then with the early Saturn launch, withholding dev kits, no dev tools until '96, not producing enough consoles to meet demand, launching at $399, and other Saturn shenanigans. The team that programmed SimCity for the Saturn worked on the game for six months before Sega sent them a dev kit. That's six months spent on the game with no hardware to test it on. Bernie Stolar totally humiliated Working Designs, which caused Victor Ireland to give up on Sega after the Saturn. They alienated EA and a handful of other publishers, too. The bait and switch on the 3dfx console was the last straw for EA and for many employees at SOA who walked out. You have no idea how annoying it is to be given one console to work on, make so much progress on your game, and then have the rug pulled out from under you and be told you had to reprogram it for another machine. Sega in the 1990s was one rug pull after another after another.

Black Belt would almost certainly have been based on Voodoo 3. It was a shipping product for PCs in early 1999, before the Dreamcast would have gone to manufacturing. Voodoo 2 would have been suitable for early dev kits but it's unlikely Sega would have used the dual chip arrangement required in the shipping console after the debacle of the Saturn's design.

@@epobirs The Dreamcast was released in late 98 in Japan. Meaning it probably went into mass production in mid-98 and had already at least working prototypes in early 98.

I believe that hardware specs aren't as important as software library, and I have a hard time picturing the demise of Sega's hardware division if PC games could have been easily be ported over to their new system, especially considering that the US president was hell-bent on shipping a console equipped for online gaming.

Jealousy. Sega of Japan in general got pissed off with Sega of America because the Sega Genesis became a HUGE success in North America to the point where it defeated the SNES in sales for a few years while the Mega Drive (the Genesis in Japan) ended up in a third place position behind the SNES and PC Engine (A.K.A: Turbografx-16). The SMART thing to do would have been for Sega of Japan to work more closely with Sega of America. Sega of Japan made the better Sega game exclusives while Sega of America was better at business. Combine those two together and Sega could been even more successful. Instead, jealousy reigned supreme as Sega of Japan screwed over Sega of America in SEVERAL ways. # 1 worst moment was Sega of America getting offered the hardware that would become the Nintendo 64. If Sega of America would have been allowed to get that hardware, Sega of America would have added a CD drive to it. A Sega console with Nintendo 64 hardware and a CD drive would have ruled... but Sega of Japan out of spite blocked Sega of America from getting that hardware and then the hardware people went to Nintendo (who did take it and it became the Nintendo 64). Sega of Japan screwed Sega of America in multiple other ways after that, including purposely withholding info from Sega of America about the Saturn, causing Sega of America to make the 32X since they didn't know that the Saturn was coming out, especially so soon after the 32X, so they figured they make the 32X to try to extend the Genesis lifespan since they didn't know when the next gen Sega console was going to be released (The 32X came out November 21st, 1994 in the United States. The Saturn released the next day in Japan on November 22nd, 1994. Sega of America didn't become aware of this until a very short time before the Japanese Saturn launch and it was way to late to cancel the 32X, which is something they would have done back in 1993 when the 32X was being developed if they knew the Saturn was coming out so soon in Japan. Things got even worse when Saturn made a SURPRISE launch in the U.S on May 11th, 1995 due to Sega of Japan's decisions, which caused more harm than good). The peak moments of insanity between both Sega groups was the development of Sonic X-Treme (which resulted in a guy almost dying from being over worked and sick and the game getting cancelled, which caused irreversible damage to the Saturn). If both sides had worked together, things would have worked out so much better for Sega. Unfortunately, the Sega Civil War really screwed them over. You can't have a winning team if some teammates are attacking others on their same team.

@@johnpenguinthe3rd13 the problems go further. When the project of Sega CD/ Mega CD was made by Sega of Japan, Sega of America only knew it close to the release.

neither Katana nor Blackbelt were codenames for Saturn, both were codenames for Hardware that was considered for the Dreamcast. Katana won because 3DFX blabbed to the public about Blackbelt which broke their NDA with SEGA

YOU ARE NOT A SEGA FAN!?!?!? What is wrong with ya lad? Get some SEGA down ya neck, it'll put hairs on ya chest! 🤣🤣🤣

@@MrJC1 I was a NES and SNES fan harder. I'm still mad over Sega's ad lol....."Genesis does, 16 bit arcade sound, you can't do this on Nintendo"...😂😂😂 I was butt hurt for weeks after that!

It's very good indeed

True however, 3dfx has more chipset offerings than videologic. The voodoo banshee would've been on par with the power vr2 clx2. Even better the voodoo 3 and 4.

@@maroon9273 The Banshee was just a Voodoo 2 missing a texture unit with a 2D accelerator bundled in, and at a higher clockspeed. Voodoo 3 was a derivative of the Voodoo 2 as well; they just doubled the clockspeed and bundled in the 2D accelerator from the Banshee. And while the Voodoo 3 could render as many polygons as the PowerVR2, it was rendering polygons the player couldn't see. However, the FPU in the SH-4 couldn't calculate that many polygons anyway, so I'm not sure how different the graphics would have been if at all. IMHO, the major benefit of 3dfx over PowerVR would have been more developers in the west, and there wouldn't have been a supply shortage like there was for the PowerVR, but Sega could not have seen that coming. I have no idea how much money they saved by going with the PowerVR, if any, but 3dfx was by far the industry leader at that time and that would have been a lot of good, free press for the Dreamcast.

Blackbelt had a chance till 3DFX broke the non disclosure agreement with SEGA

Its really not a bad idea. But sega really Couldn't afford it. They needed pragmatic leadership, not group vs group competition. Unfortunately all the real success came from the leadership of one man. That died I think around the Saturn time.

remember they talked about over here too in some magazines, but in the end it ended up just being the PSOne...

I wouldn't say no lol

@@thetezz0001 Id say yes yes yes

Stunning!

@@random_gamer_guy82 right?! shes pretty awsome =)

Ask about her only fans

I think that would be a Japan exclusive console ... Just like the Nintendo Bukakke handheld.

@@Haywood-Jablomie That seems about right.

@@c.l.7525 😃

Same here. The Voodoo cards were able to emulate the N64. Not an easy feat when the N64 was current.