The Strangest Dogfight of World War II | B-24 Liberator vs. Fw 200 Condor

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The Strangest Dogfight of World War II | B-24 Liberator vs. Fw 200 Condor | History in the Dark

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While the basic idea of an aerial dogfight is well understood, sometimes things get a little...odd. Sometimes aircraft that have exactly zero business dogfighting are suddenly thrown into the mix together. That is what happened in WWII when a B-24 found herself in aerial combat with two Fw 200 Condors. Neither of these aircraft were meant for this.
0:00 - Intro
1:18 - Background
3:39 - The Aircraft
5:44 - The Battle
10:06 - Aftermath
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@andreww2098 11 ай бұрын

the B-24 was preferred for maritime patrols because it had a larger bomb payload and range than the B-17

@aj-2savage896 11 ай бұрын

I think India was the last to use them for maritime patrol. Replaced by Super Connies in the late 60s IIRC.

@chuckaddison5134 11 ай бұрын

I believe it was also faster.

@janmale7767 11 ай бұрын

Your'e quite right on that one, but it is rather ironic that the 17 was conceived for the role of protecting the waters around America against enemy ships! buf the 17 was the more rugged of the 2,lower wing loading than the 24 it could soak up more punishment , an axis aircraft that hasn't received the necessary acknowledgement from the allies, (war time propaganda) but which had a similar robustness( not the same as the 17 it was a much smaller craft)was the Heinkel 111 large thick wings , low wing loading , could absorb punishment and keep on flying!

@chadrowe8452 11 ай бұрын

I didn't think it had a larger payload than a b17

@wallacegrommet9343 10 ай бұрын

The B-24 was the more modern design from an aerodynamic perspective. It’s wing was particularly superior tonthat of the fortress.

@williamashbless7904 11 ай бұрын

The FW-200 was a civilian airliner pressed into military use. While versatile, it was not really durable enough to stand up to the rigors of day to day military operations and suffered from very low combat availability rates. Still, its impressive range made it a valuable German asset.

@robwilliamsfn9425 11 ай бұрын

They tended to snap on landing.

@mikeholland1031 11 ай бұрын

They claimed all their planes were commercial before the war including the 111

@scootergeorge7089 11 ай бұрын

I believe the Condor was similar to the Douglas DC-4. The Japanese purchased at least one example to study and convert to a long range, heavy bomber. The DC-4 was deemed not suitable as a bomber. Was great as a transport, the C-54.

@TrickiVicBB71 11 ай бұрын

I remember reading in WW2 magazine about PB2Y Coronados encountering G4M "Betty" bombers on patrols and shooting them down with ease

@kristoffermangila 11 ай бұрын

But then again, the Coronado is more heavily armed than the Betty.

@TrickiVicBB71 11 ай бұрын

@@kristoffermangila Of course. G4M wasn't called "Flying Cigar" for nothing

@kristoffermangila 11 ай бұрын

Isoroku Yamamoto can attest to that nickname, 😆!

@jamesbackman172 10 ай бұрын

The Betty's also were known as zippos

@robertinkol806 8 ай бұрын

If the G4M crew were watrching, they should have been easily ably to outrun a PB2Y.

@Neutercane 11 ай бұрын

Some of this sort of combat was covered in the book "Who's a Hero?" by Commander Allen Gerry. I had the honor of conversing with the author several times when he would appear at a local gun show. He was a PB4Y1 (later PB4Y2) pilot who flew combat missions in the Pacific during WWII. He related how he and his crew would stalk unsuspecting enemy aircraft and then hammer them with all weapons that could bear when they got close.

@alonzocalvillo6702 11 ай бұрын

The first dogfight was in Mexico in 1913 btween two American mercenaries? This is a story in itself that deserves a video.I'd like to know the details!

@user-st7wz4uv3b 11 ай бұрын

Here Here!

@r2gelfand 10 ай бұрын

It might be hard to get any corresponding video.😅

@neiloflongbeck5705 11 ай бұрын

This is nothing. How about the combat between the battle between a lone Short Sunderland Mk.1 (N9046) and 6 Junkers Ju88C off Norway on 3rd April 1940. One Ju88 was shot down, one was damaged and crashed on landing and the rest were driven off.

@grahamariss2111 11 ай бұрын

You beat me to it

@blank557 11 ай бұрын

Beat me to it. A air battle for the record books, for sure.

@kristoffermangila 11 ай бұрын

That's the reason why the Sunderland is called "the flying hedgehog" by the Germans.

@coreyandnathanielchartier3749 11 ай бұрын

The Sunderland-Junkers battle was pretty epic......why don't you make a video of it, and leave the rest of us alone.

@atilllathehun1212 11 ай бұрын

There's a famous Airfix model box art showing a Short Sunderland flying boat battling a Focke Wulf Condor. Also a real incident in WW2 when RAF B26 Marauder medium bombers shot down several Messershmitt Me323 transports.

@grahamariss2111 11 ай бұрын

The dog fight between the Sunderland and Condor did occur at least once. The occasion I read about the Sunderland was attacked by the Condor that sat outside the range of its rear quad 303 turret while using the Condor's single front cannon. So the Sunderland pilot pulled it up into a wing over bringing the Condor in range and the rear turret got a long burst in, the Condor broke away streaming smoke.

@peterbrazier7107 11 ай бұрын

The regular fights over the Bay of Biscay involved Sunderlands vs Ju88s.

@skylongskylong1982 10 ай бұрын

@@grahamariss2111 Thank you for the info.

@rsacchi100 10 ай бұрын

@@grahamariss2111 On November 14, 1941 a Sunderland commanded by Flying Officer Henry Bailey had a dogfight with a Condor piloted by Feldwebel Kurt Hunze. The Sunderland's tail gunner, Sergeant Terry McCorry, died in the engagement. (Osprey - Combat Aircraft 115)

@merafirewing6591 11 ай бұрын

I call it more of a gunship fight.

@marcuswall3857 11 ай бұрын

Four minutes in and we get started for real. Worth it tho.

@N0rdman 11 ай бұрын

Why do you think this was strange? The British Short Sunderland had frequent melees with German Ju-88 and Fw 200 and most often came out on top. The Germans dubbed it the Fliegendes Stachelschwein because of this well-armed and surprisingly nimble beast of a flying boat.

@robertcamble3543 10 ай бұрын

The Germans named the Short Sunderland " the flying porcupine . That's how well armed that plane was . They were scared to attack it .

@adventurekid9242 8 ай бұрын

The Flying Porcupine

@hirisk761 11 ай бұрын

heavyweight slugfest! I remember reading about another one where a Catalina shot down an Japanese "Emily" flying boat!

@TigerIi-gq5mx 11 ай бұрын

Impressive

@kristoffermangila 11 ай бұрын

Now that is a David v Goliath fight, since the H8K is more heavily armed than the Catalina, almost as heavily armed as a Sunderland.

@merafirewing6591 11 ай бұрын

@@kristoffermangila "Our Battle Will Be Legendary!"

@HootOwl513 11 ай бұрын

A Consolidated product, but maybe not a PBY *Catalina*. The PB4Y-2 was called the Privateer. Based on the Liberator airframe, it had radar and extra gunmounts. Side blisters with dual .50s on each side,[like the Cat's], and an extra top turret with 2 more .50s. Also a PB4Y-1 was a Navy Liberator with twin tails, but blue. Not saying you're a liar. There could have been a PBY/H8K duel, IDK, but it's less likely than with the bigger, more heavily armed Consolidated bird.

@solarflare623 11 ай бұрын

Yessssssssssss! I’ve been waiting for this!

@glenhaasdyk2081 11 ай бұрын

If he had flown the B-25, he must have had some experience manuvering as those were fairly agile for their size.

@nx9100 11 ай бұрын

Reminds me of a line from the Apollo 13 film: "I don't care what something was DESIGNED to do. I care about what it CAN do."

@HootOwl513 11 ай бұрын

Very Interesting. I recall another bomber duel, but in the Pacific. A Navy PB4Y [Don't know if it was a Dash One or Dash Two -- PB4Y-1 was identical to the B-24, but Blue*; PB4Y-2 was more navalized, with a larger single tail, side blisters like the PBY and an extra upper twin .50 Cal. turret.] Anyway the duel was like something out of the Age of Sail, with square-rigged Frigates manuevering for broadsides. The enemy was flying an EMILY Kawanishi H8K flying boat. The EMILY went down. [* But not always Blue. I knew a WWII Navy pilot, a Captain, [Ret.] who flew a photo-recon PB4Y-1P in the South Pacific. His airplane was an ex-USAAF [B-24] F-7 type. No guns or armor for high altitude/ high speed. High end cameras. He described the camo paint job as ''Sh!t Brindle Brown'' -- showing a Naval Aviator and Naval Academy grad's distain for anything Army -- whose camo was Olive Drab over Neutral Gray.]

@alfnoakes392 11 ай бұрын

The EMILY was an impressive aircraft, that was quite an achievement.

@Charlesputnam-bn9zy 10 ай бұрын

There was a picture of the Japanese going down in flames.

@HootOwl513 10 ай бұрын

@@Charlesputnam-bn9zy Think I've seen it, but don't recall where.

@Charlesputnam-bn9zy 10 ай бұрын

@@HootOwl513 I saw it in a book on aviation history.

@robertwilloughby8050 11 ай бұрын

There's a dogfight between a C-47 and a Henschel Hs129 'Battlebus"! And the Dakota won! 😂😅

@PabloVestory 11 ай бұрын

Great video, thank you! I've always wonder if there were some kind of fighting action bomber to bomber in WW2, medium or heavy bombers, maybe when they crossed paths by chance?

@donscheid97 11 ай бұрын

I have read about a B-24 and a Japanese 4 engine bomber (don't know the type) engaging in an actual dogfight - not just shooting as they passed.

@Charlesputnam-bn9zy 10 ай бұрын

See the comment above by HootOwl513

@captain0080 11 ай бұрын

I do remember reading a similar story back in the 80's between an RAF bomber and a condor.

@unclenogbad1509 11 ай бұрын

Anyone thinking this would make a great movie (which it would), should know that something like this was portrayed in a Jimmy Cagney movie. His character, an experienced Canadian bush pilot, ends up ferrying Hudsons across the Atlantic, in formation with buddies doing the same. Approaching the British coast, low on fuel, they get jumped by a Luftwaffe fighter (god knows what it's doing there, plus it's a repainted Hurricane). Unarmed, as only ferrying, they get badly shot up, until Cagney decides he's going to fly straight at the bandit, eventually bringing both planes down, but of course saving his buddies. It's actually a pretty good movie, "Captains of the Clouds", 1942, directed by Michael Curtiz.

@lonniemonroe2714 10 ай бұрын

Yes. I've seen it. He also saves his buddy from marrying the wrong woman. Great color.

@unclenogbad1509 10 ай бұрын

@@lonniemonroe2714 Have to take your word on the colour - I saw it years ago on British TV, and we only had a B&W set. Cheers.

@raymichael7078 10 ай бұрын

The most amazing dogfight occurred in the Pacific during WW2. A single engine SBD dive bomber went against 3 zeros and downed all 3. It was piloted by Swede Vejtasa.

@Aquatarkus96 11 ай бұрын

HELL YES AC:0 MUSIC! SPANISH GUITAR LETS GOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Little things like that are a big part of why I love your content so much :)

@blackjed 11 ай бұрын

ZERO!

@Sacto1654 11 ай бұрын

Mark Felton Productions mentioned a just as weird combat between two very slow-flying planes at the end of World War II, which has to go among the strangest dogfights of World War II: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/m6eWY9CSzsuwmqc.html

@barnabyandanthonysofficial1497 11 ай бұрын

@4:59 your pronunciation of Focke-Wulf brings to mind the gem of a movie, Meet the Fockers.

@saparotrob7888 11 ай бұрын

I just subscribed because of the weird battles mentioned below. Old 666 is famous. I know an Avro Anson downed a Bf-109. I know the "Porcupine" (Sunderland) tangled with Jerry. I want to hear about B-17s being zoomier than Bf-109s at altitudes the Liberator couldn't reach. There could be some great shows about this topic.

@Marc_von_Hoffrichter 11 ай бұрын

Thanks mate, cheers.

@Imnotyourdoormat 10 ай бұрын

Hey Great!!! Do 1 next on an aerial duel between a Boeing B-52 Strato-Fortress and a Tupolev Tu-95 Bear...

@poowg2657 11 ай бұрын

Another weird dog fight involved a B-17 attacking a bf109 and shooting it down. Turns out over 25,000 ft. the B-17 could fly at the same speed as a 109 but was more maneuverable and could bring more guns to bear.

@saparotrob7888 11 ай бұрын

Okay, I'm about as big a B-17 fanboi as one might be but I find that hard to believe. I'd LOVE to know more about that action. I want to believe.

@poowg2657 11 ай бұрын

@@saparotrob7888 I read it in a book years ago, might have been Martin Caidens' "Flying Fortress!" but I could be wrong. The premise was two shot up Forts were trying to make it back to England and were intercepted by a 109. The 109 made several passes at the most crippled Fort and this so infuriated the pilot of the less crippled Fort that he firewalled the throttles and went after the 109. The 109 turned sharply but the Fort was able to turn inside of it and the combined guns of the top turret gunner, belly turret and bombardier struck home. As the Fort overtook the smoking 109 one of the waist gunners poored fire into it and the pilot bailed out. Both planes made it back to base but the captain of the Fort that shot down the 109 was reprimanded for breaking formation with a badly crippled comrade and endangering his own crew. Later on computer modelling showed that over 25,000 ft. a Flying Fortress with no bomb load and less than half fuel could keep pace with the bf109 and was more maneuverable due to the far larger wing area. Below 25,000 ft. the 109 won handily in both speed and maneuverabillity. Incidentally the same modelling on a B-24 showed that with the same maneuvers the B-24 would break up in flight.

@patrickshaw8595 11 ай бұрын

@@saparotrob7888 The way I heard it 40 years ago was that it wasn't a "front line" 109 but a "squadron Hack" mostly used for beer runs, pilot familiarization, etc. One version said it was a 109C-something (fixed pitch propeller, float carburetor) or a very early 109E relic of the Spanish Civil patched together out of wrecks. I took that to mean that a 109 -F, -G or -K would fly rings around a B-17 at Angels 250.

@DanielChannel57 10 ай бұрын

Do you think you could cover the attempted recovery of the B-29 "Kee Bird" at some point?

@mrains100 11 ай бұрын

Thank you.

@SimonTekConley 11 ай бұрын

I think 2 submarines in an air dog fight be the strangest dog fight

@melangellatc1718 11 ай бұрын

Indeed...

@chuckhaggard1584 10 ай бұрын

There were several such fights in the Pacific campaign involving B17s and various Japanese aircraft. Fascinating stuff.

@mssuxmyass 11 ай бұрын

I was unaware of this story... I guess that's why I watch...

@rescue270 11 ай бұрын

A lot of the pics show B-24s with one engine shut down.

@pinkguy9657 11 ай бұрын

I like to call bomber dogfights, "Bomber brawls" by far the funniest thing to see happen in the air (in war thunder for example of course)

@unclej3910 11 ай бұрын

I have done this in World of warplanes. Two lumbering beasts shooting at each other.

@TheCombatEditor62 11 ай бұрын

Wow. before now, I always thought bomber vs bomber fights were no more than fantasies of my own imagination. interesting to hear that it actually happened. also, OMG, what music is playing in the background? I've heard it before but can never find the name. can you tell me?

@HistoryintheDark 11 ай бұрын

Ace Combat Zero.

@TheCombatEditor62 11 ай бұрын

@@HistoryintheDark Thank you! I've been searching for a year now. Subscribing now.

@stevekolarik2857 11 ай бұрын

Should read up the C-47 Dakota name “Stuka chaser”. It was credit to forced land four Ju-87 Stukas.

@gabriellourenco4334 11 ай бұрын

...In my opinion the most unusual shoot-down happened when a British Fleet Air Arm Grumman TBF Avenger "bagged" a V-1 flying bomb...

@vinceely2906 11 ай бұрын

I once read of a Zero ramming a C47. The Zero then crashed and the C47 landed safely and got the kill.

@gtpumps 11 ай бұрын

While the B24 has more machine guns than the FW200 it does have a forward firing 20mm cannon in the lower gondola which makes it a dangerous adversary for the B24.

@christopherwebber3804 11 ай бұрын

Yes but the Condor was not built to military standards from the ground up, it was an airliner with guns, so it couldn't take much punishment.

@benmacklin3531 11 ай бұрын

Keeping the armor on the B-24 wouldn't have helped them. Armor on WW2 planes was almost exclusively placed to protect the pilot and crew, not to prevent damage to the aircraft itself. Still, a great story that I'd never heard of. Great video.

@gdutfulkbhh7537 11 ай бұрын

You spun this short story out because you wanted to make it long enough to monetize, or what?

@mrb.5610 11 ай бұрын

An entry in Dad's RAF logbook. ''A/S Patrol - attacked M/V - A/C Damaged by fighters''. Flying a Liberator at the time.

@bluetopguitar1104 11 ай бұрын

Every 10 or 15 years, it's been proven that fighter planes need a GUN. Not all wars are high tech, even these days. Interesting video. I read a book about brits who ferried planes in ww2 including the B24. More high tech than the B17 but harder to fly without the autopilot. The ferry command pilots in Britain were not allowed to use the autopilot. Makes it even more impressive in a dogfight.

@Michael_Brock 11 ай бұрын

This is a weird one. My modern equivalent would be b-52 Vs bear bomber (bear tu95?).

@ifga16 11 ай бұрын

I have another weird dog fight for you. Late 1945 in the Pacific, a Navy PB4Y-2 Privateer, a modification of the Liberator was attacked by at least one Japanese fighter. The pilot of the Privateer decided that there were better ways for a bomber to deal with small single engined pests. He yanked back on his yoke and turned on the Japanese and started a turn fight. The Japanese pilot decided that there were easier targets than this particular plane and made himself scarce. I remember this from my youth and haven't looked too hard for the story. I think that eager young train enthusiast could find the details quickly.

@i-a-g-r-e-e-----f-----jo--b 11 ай бұрын

Cool topic, thanks! I remember watching one of a German Storch against an American Grasshopper and while not a dog fight, a WW1 blimp against a destroyer.

@jwrockets 10 ай бұрын

IIRC, the Storch pilot caught a .45 round in his foot and was forced to land.

@jamesbackman172 8 ай бұрын

The Grasshoppers name was Miss Me

@aj-2savage896 11 ай бұрын

Fortress vs Mavis is up there, too.

@aj-2savage896 11 ай бұрын

And PB4Y vs Emily.

@TalenGryphon 11 ай бұрын

"Difficult to handle" is an understatement. According to pilot reports the B-24 was "Like trying to fly your house while sitting on the porch". And apparently only one example is airworthy today

@Einwetok 11 ай бұрын

Give it time.......

@coreyandnathanielchartier3749 11 ай бұрын

According to 3 B24 pilots I have personally known throughout my life, it was not at all difficult to fly, provided you understood that you had to FLY it, not monitor it.

@georges.7683 11 ай бұрын

3:25 actual discussion of topic begins

@robertcamble3543 10 ай бұрын

There one involving a B17 called old 666 that went on a reconaissance mission & ran across a squadron of 17 Japanese Zeroes & slapped down 5 of them & they all backed off because they ran low on fuel .

@awx5598 10 ай бұрын

What's the music?

@ericbrammer2245 10 ай бұрын

The B24's Maritime variant, also had a 'dogfight' (although, I'd call it an Ambush?) with a Japanese Seaplane (the "Emily", also known as 'Porcupine'), in which, the US bomber pointed all guns to Starboard, and strafed as they flew by...

@Roof_Korean. 11 ай бұрын

Literal sky pirates going full broadside on another plane

@user-jl6ks6yv3s 10 ай бұрын

I remember another dogfight of heavies: A G3M bomber fought with a PBY Catalina and shot it down.

@carlambroson8872 11 ай бұрын

I am venturing a guess at the start of this video, that the Liberator won. First of all, it’s a bomber and has at least a bit of armor/ toughness to deal with fighters. Not to mention multiple heavy MGs. The Condor, on the other hand, is primarily a transport aircraft. And was typically armed with just a couple of light MGs. But now it’s time to watch, and see if I guessed right!

@christopherbentley7289 10 ай бұрын

I have just retrieved my trusty, half-century-old (battered!) copy of the 'Bombers 1939 - 1945' edition out of the 'Purnell's History Of The World Wars' 'Special' series. The Fw 200 is covered therein and I can say that that 'couple of light MGs' was, in fact, 2 x 7.9 mm, 3 x 13 mm and 1 x 20 mm, so it could put out a punch much heavier than you appear to be imagining. This may not necessarily have been the specific mark of B-24 reported upon here, but I suppose that its 10 x 0.5 inch guns is rather heavier, just not so much heavier as you think.

@carlambroson8872 10 ай бұрын

I didn’t realize it was that heavily armed, I was probably juxtaposing the armament of a Ju-52 to the Condor

@christopherbentley7289 10 ай бұрын

@@carlambroson8872 Yes, a Ju 52 seems more in that sort of 'armament ball park'. On the subject of bombers being used as fighters and Ju 52s I have seen a photo of some B-25s engaging some Ju 52s over the Mediterranean as the Axis forces were desperately trying to supply the last remaining hold-outs in Tunisia.

@barrycarlisle4511 10 ай бұрын

The narrator stated it was a B-24D which had a glass greenhouse nose but all the footage was of a B-24J which had a front mounted turret. Lazy producers...

@Exerillo 11 ай бұрын

Why was this not on Dogfights on the History Channel?

@neilreynolds3858 11 ай бұрын

🤣 Thank you, my Patrons! Thank you, thank you, thank you! I can eat this week. Damn good landing by Maxwell. The 24s were terrible when they hit the water head on.

@Skipjack7814 11 ай бұрын

Once I turned the sound way down, the video was good.

@MagereHein 11 ай бұрын

7:46 What do you mean, my left stabilizer is missing? It's fine!

@flotsamike 11 ай бұрын

The b-24 flew higher and faster than a B-17 and carried more bombs. It was all so ever so slightly safer than a B-17 if you look at survivability. And not for nothing it was cheaper and easier to build. B-17 Crews love to point out how beat up their planes could be and come back but few seemed to notice how many b-24s came back without a scratch because they were harder to hit from the ground.. Pilots disliked the b-24 because it was hard to fly. I am imagining one reason b-24s were modified for maritime patrol was because they could be produced in greater numbers, so dedicating some to Maritime patrol took nothing away from bombing availability.

@mpetersen6 11 ай бұрын

There was the time a US Navy blimp got into a gun tight with a U-boat

@brittakriep2938 11 ай бұрын

Was shot down by german U- Boot, but two US civilian ships had time to escape, because the Kapitän of U- Boot dived , thinking the Blimp was not allone, there must be other US warships. I read this few months ago in a german magazine about Military History.

@user-pl8od3ve5o 10 ай бұрын

The B-24 was a longer ranged, heavier payload plane compared to the B-17.

@johnjohnston3203 11 ай бұрын

Would have been interesting without the melodrama

@christopherlatham4254 11 ай бұрын

The B-24 had a larger bomb load and longer range than the B-17. Those facts explain the preference.

@bobthebarsteward 10 ай бұрын

Didn't a Short Sunderland also have a similar encounter? Or am I having a senior moment?

@billsilver6429 11 ай бұрын

I heard that a condor is being restored somewhere. But won't be made airworthy. It'll be quite a sight.

@ulrichwulf9231 11 ай бұрын

I saw the Perfect restored fw 200 two weeks ago at Tempelhof Airfield Berlin. Amazing.

@mochaholic3039 10 ай бұрын

Strangest dog fight of WW2... I take History in Dark isn't aware of the frequent encounters between B-17s and Kawanshi H8k 'Emily' flying boats in the Pacific, those flying boats were monsters in their own right. They traded literal broadsides of machine gun fire, and at least one B-17 had been credited with several downed H8Ks

@darthmeta6445 10 ай бұрын

History in the Dark 4:01: It was meant for high cruise speed, long range, as well as the ability to carry a heavy bomb load because, as a B-24 - (looks pointedly over at crew of The Ark) - it is a BOMBER!!! Crew of The Ark: (yanks on charging handles of turret guns) Did you say something...?

@coreyandnathanielchartier3749 11 ай бұрын

B24 crews' motto: "F#$k around, find out"

@TheWareek 11 ай бұрын

interesting but good heavens a little less of the preamble waffle please, you were not telling us something we did not know.

@jaytowne8016 10 ай бұрын

Missing here is B29 vs. Fighter at high altitude after bomb drop.. according to story the B29 at 30,000 feet with engines in high blower could turn well against a fighter . Factor in fighter at its service ceiling.. and B29 commander override on gunnery reports shoot downs of Japanese fighters on rare occasions and circumstances.

@markstuber4731 11 ай бұрын

The "what ever reason" was a larger bomb load.

@bubpori5105 11 ай бұрын

In the Last Days of the War it Was Rumored That 2 Condors Were Unaccounted For ?.

@LeslieGallivan-mp5qi 11 ай бұрын

I did hear a story , years back . Could have been totaly made up , but story was a dc3 flying beside a ju52 with the passengers standing in the door firing Thompsons at the ju52

@scylex4773 11 ай бұрын

this video and the comments make seeing bombers iin war thunder take shots at each other a lot less goofy

@barrybarlowe5640 11 ай бұрын

Your intro almost made me turn off the video.

@louisbabycos106 11 ай бұрын

Absolutely

@sensualtiger5561 11 ай бұрын

B-24's could fly faster, further and carry a heavier bomb load than a B-17. 24's were the most produced heavy bomber of WW2.

@user-kb9lx1yv2b 11 ай бұрын

Those brave men, so may decades ago.

@blackjed 11 ай бұрын

6:00 ZERO! This twisted game needs to be reset from ZERO!!❤❤❤

@tiffanykemp1109 11 ай бұрын

I'm 6 minutes in.... waiting for the real video to start.

@blackjed 11 ай бұрын

@@tiffanykemp1109 nice 😎

@blackjed 11 ай бұрын

@@tiffanykemp1109 but the song playing in background is called Zero from Ace Combat 0. It plays during the final mission as you fight your former wingman.

@mikmik9034 11 ай бұрын

Boring, at over 11 minutes this one seems to take forever to get to the title. Bomber pilots are usually washouts from fighter training, so that is a Big Deal? (Navigators/bombardiers are pilot washouts.)

@coreyandnathanielchartier3749 11 ай бұрын

The 'washout' standards of that time were pretty high.......US was training 10's of thousands of pilots, and the very top became fighter pilots. Japs and Germans had less pilots to select from, and huge attrition rates, so many were moved to fighters, and were easy kills for better Allied pilots.

@longrider42 11 ай бұрын

I've heard this story before. But its is not the strangest Dogfight of WW2. The strangest Dogfight took place between a British four engines Sunderland Flying boat, and a Condor. The Sunderland won, due to its ability to absorb damage, and it is said the Sunderland could carry up to 13 machine guns.

@johnhafford1970 10 ай бұрын

The B24 was mid-range, not long range.

@alancranford3398 11 ай бұрын

There was a version of the B-24 intended for fighting off enemy fighters: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consolidated_XB-41_Liberator I wonder--did that August 17, 1943 dogfight have much to do with the XB-41?

@Idahoguy10157 11 ай бұрын

Some American bombers in the Pacific war attacked Japanese maritime patrol aircraft.

@baronhyatt6729 11 ай бұрын

The downside of the b 24 is it had a blind spot with out a bottom ball turent

@jamesbackman172 8 ай бұрын

It had a retractable ball turret after of the bomb bay

@itty_trainsss239 11 ай бұрын

i heard ace combat music

@stevenbreach2561 10 ай бұрын

Condor was a beautiful aircraft,but not a great success as a bomber

@linkfreeman1998 11 ай бұрын

Average IL-2 Sturmovik 1946 gameplay

@mpcrauzer 11 ай бұрын

Or war thunder

@Jagdtyger2A 11 ай бұрын

I personally would put my $$ on the B-24 as it had a bunch of >50 machineguns

@raymond7269 10 ай бұрын

1/2 way through the video, still nonsense information, drag the story out.

@bill5982 11 ай бұрын

Aircrew did not prefer the B-17. The B-24 had longer range, carried a larger bomb load and was faster than the B-17 meaning the crew spent less time being over enemy territory and being exposed to flak.

@garygor1960 10 ай бұрын

You need to get to the point a lot quicker instead of patting yourself on the back.

@ericgrace9995 11 ай бұрын

Sunderland flying boat was attacked by a group of Ju 88s. . It didnt end well for the Germans.

@troygroomes104 11 ай бұрын

Thumbnail shows a C-87 liberator express instead of a B-24

@aj-2savage896 11 ай бұрын

Or LB-30?

@troygroomes104 11 ай бұрын

@aj-2savage896 that's a C-87 as there is one at an air museum near me that was converted into a B-24D

@HistoryintheDark 11 ай бұрын

Oh snap. You're right, nice catch! I fixed it.

@troygroomes104 11 ай бұрын

@@HistoryintheDark yw

@aj-2savage896 11 ай бұрын

@@troygroomes104 "Diamond Lil" used to be called a C-87 by the really smart people until they found out it was an LB-30 which served as the C-87 prototype. Some also call it a B-24A.

@nzsaltflatsracer8054 11 ай бұрын

7 1/2 minutes into the yellingfest I'm still waiting for the story! 👎

@mssmith3604 11 ай бұрын

Please calm down before you try to narrate.

@googleeyeseyes4033 11 ай бұрын

Skip the hyperbole, just get to it!

@beerdrinker6452 10 ай бұрын

You are speaking about serios events. Try to speak and sound like an adult.

@TigerIi-gq5mx 11 ай бұрын

To be fair train factories were converted into aircraft factories in ww2

@oscargrouch7962 11 ай бұрын

The Baldwin Locomotive Works in Philadelphia, PA made Sherman tanks during WW2. The Ford Motor Company factory in Willow Run, MI made B-24s for Consolidated during WW2.