I feel like Foption could be remade for CSGO as a deathmatch only map, I could see it being great as one due to how large and fun it is.

if I'm not mistaken, back in the early days of csgo, there were unused default t-side voice lines for bots, such as "I'm going to plant the bomb at bombsite c", just in case a map needed that

I want to see a WarOwl video where they play on this map, it'd be very interesting. Loved the video, man. Great job as always

A good fix to make ancient less CT sided would be to add a third bombsite in T spawn

this video just made me realize i was playing this map (remembering vaguely, some bits and pieces , mostly bombsites) back in the the days of old internet caffes in belgrade, serbia (hometown) when we as kids used to play cs

We not gonna talk about how the vault entrance in both foption and zoption look exactly like the vaults from fallout 1?

Am I the only one that noticed the vault doors 13 and 15 in noption and foption, respectively? These are an interesting reference to the original Fallout game from 1997

A video about removed / cut gamemodes would be hella fun

It looks so much like a map in Half Life. It would be so cool to play it

I started CS with 1.5 in LAN I had no idea about this older map! Thanks for the video! Back then with my friend we would play 1.6 online, and 1.5 in LAN, and what I loved most about it other than trying out my own custom maps, was when we looked for war on irc people were open to play unofficial maps, such as de_sunny which was awesome in gldsrc engine! I started making a remake but couldn't really make the rotation routes work within CSGO movements speed :( But when it comes to 3 bombsite maps, I do have 1 great memory. There is this de_dust2 remake on CSS that has a dust2 extended theme but it actually has bombsite C between A and B in the back of CT spawn, it connects to A, B backsite and shortmid. Lots of fun in deathmatch, although i didn't try it in competitive setting much.

Watching this channel blow up in these past few weeks and months has been so damn cool. Seeing the depth that each video goes to on its respective topic or direction of focus, your passion and love for entertainment, and creative production are so clear. The evolution that you yourself have been going through as you grow and learn and interact and create is just astounding. I love Counter Strike, and it's been a part of me for a long time now. As with everything in life, interest and attention to CS have waxed and waned, and I can confidently say that watching your videos has started to pull me back into the game, into the wild world that is the CS community. Thanks for doing all of what you do my friend, and cheers to everyone else that appreciates everything about this and the community.

I've heard Nuke was going to have 3 bomb sites. Somewhere in an elevated position there is a marking that hints to it being a bombsite.

Bombsite C in de_foption strongly reminded me of the middle bombsite in the map Haven in Valorant. It is also a third bombsite in the middle of the map with three entrances and a giant pillar in the middle. The difference is that it doesn't have that insane verticality or sliding doors. However, there is a sliding door on the map Breeze.

i heard the valorant devs were heavy 1.6 players and weren't so interested in csgo when designing the game. this makes me notice this even more

Oh wow I didn't realise de_foption had a third bombsite. Last year I had the opportunity to play on a public server that focused on CS Beta maps and cs_zoption, cs_ship, as_forest and de_foption were on there. Let me say a few words about those maps. You cannot imagine how T-sided cs_zoption is, even for a hostage map - once Ts figured out the map CTs stood no chance at all, CTs would be eliminated with no or very little losses on the T side. I think at one point CTs stopped winning rounds at all and that's when people stopped voting for it. cs_ship was an unfun claustrophobic mess although I don't think it was particularly unfair. as_forest was one of the most popular maps on the server actually - people and I personally genuinely enjoyed it not only because of the novelty of the assassination game mode, the map just somehow clicked - it wasn't too CT-sided and Ts had ways to counter CTs' plays though the turrents were pretty annoying, Attea probably shouldn't have made them instant kill. I'm certain de_foption was on the map list but I remember playing it only once and finding only the A and B sites, in fact, this video is the first time I'm seeing this C bomb site. Maybe we just didn't consider that possible and never bothered to look for it? lol

I know it's not an official map, but the operation map Library (I think it was called?) was really cool. The entire map was a library room with twisting, maze-like paths of bookshelves, and you could shoot out sections of bookshelves to creates new lines of sight and the books themselves were easily wall-bangable. The coolest part was, aside from CT and T spawns at opposite sides of the map, the entire map was one huge bombsite. Planting right away would tell the CTs where the bomb was but give them less time to reach it, while the longer you waited to plant the worse it got for CTs to find but the harder it became to actually hold. I actually don't think this concept was done as well as it could have been but it's interesting nonetheless. I'd like to see this concept re-tried as a hostage map, with CTs getting the hostages at round start (to avoid the weird midround flipping of territory without flipping roles) while Ts are given more time to block routes through the map.

Daddy Penguin with the chill content once again, underrated af

This map seems really fun!! I wonder exactly what about it actually makes it such a failure. Like ok sure it isnt competitively viable, but like, is it unfun? Could I play this with my friends like a gmod ttt map and still have a blast? I do wonder.

these old, complex maps with bunch of moving parts and interactive traps and tools reminds me a lot of the game intruder, a very fun pvp stealth game that hasn't seen a lot of success.

This could be a very good map for larger games with more players, especially due to the lack of cover and therefore requiring more spread out protection of bomb sites. Though I wouldn't mind more weird, unusual maps being added, forcing players to think and change their play style. Today, this could be done far better and more balanced than foption

Interact-able and moving objects should make a return in some modern maps, as long as it’s not overdone

That elevator really hit my nostalgia hard as a CS:S player. The only ever map I knew with an elevator was nightfever, and I had some really cool gameplay moments in the elevator Once as a T i killed the left CTs while going down and up in the elevator :D

Can honestly tell you I'm one of the few surviving dinosaurs that played league matches on this map. OGL, CAL, TWL, etc... Had to play Vegas too, recommend covering that one.

Played Foption in local games and it is a really complex map. Incredibly big and the rotations are a bit messy. However, what I like the most about it is that Half-Life atmosphere feel with its soundscapes.

Just incredible work all around. Not only making me somehow care about an odd map from 20 years ago I never played, but just the editing was top notch. Keep up the amazing work!

This was a great video. Love the style and energy of it, and always enjoy seeing some old CS content

your editing style is starting to get really good, keep up the good work dude

0:44 - absolute banger of a montage. Chills.

Thank you so much for putting the music you use into the description! I really like how Enjoy your Stay sounds, I don't have to desperately search for it thanks to you! :P

this map looks gorgeous

Great vid man, I also love the attention to detail in foption, it was the first thing I noticed

Bro, i'm really excited to play this map with my friends. Looks like it's so difficult to defend bombs and at the same time so fun. I really like these old CS maps that has these elevators, cameras, doors, things to do besides shooting.

i love these videos so much. keep up the amazing work!

This feels like it would do stellar in a James Bond deathmatch game.

I used to enjoy this map but didnt get to play it that much back in the day. Thanks for great CS videos brings back good memories

I like how this map is just a big homage to Fallout 1 , especially with the Vault 13 doors.

I think foption Is a good map for 10v10 causal and deathmatch

Brains are interesting... I forgot the name of the map but when I saw the first screenshot I immediately remembered that map.

love that fallout reference at the vault door!

that lovely Fallout 1-2 reference :D

If it had two sites, one Window on the ceiling of that one site instead of 3, and extra cover it would be a really good map.

Ohhhh man I remember this map!!!! A was impossible to defend, B was your best option and C wasn't great but you could hide behind the rocket and it was hilarious to run around in circles if there was only one CT left. CS was so much more experimental, rats, airport, there was one map but I can't remember the name, it had a building with hostages (not the crack house map) and it had a launcher that would throw you towards the first floor window, it was probably the most fun I've ever had playing cs.

I remember this map, back in the days I had a CD with patches for Half-Life and Counter-Strike (you had to install them in a sequence, one after another), also it had a map pack with around 100 different maps and I loved to explore these maps, knowing that they are forgotten by everyone and not played on most servers, although they were interesting and quite decent. de_foption was one of them, I remember it quite well

I like how the vault doors on the two option maps are just copies of the vault doors of vault 13 and 15 from fallout 1

I vaguely remember playing on this map back in the day. I probably played it a couple times and that was that. I was playing CS since the beta days. I miss he old HL modding scene so much. RIP Planet Half-Life

As Penguin started to talk about this video before he named the name, I thought “option” right away…but when I played it, it was called “fy_option”; still a bomb site map, but I played it in college during a time when we could only play with people in the school’s network. A good 20-30 of us would rotate on and off the game, trying “experimental” maps on 1 of 2 servers hosted at the school, haha: fy_option, de_legato, cs_storm when it came out…and cs_thunder was one of the first maps I played 😅 Ah, boomer nostalgia trip here, playing on my Dell “lunchbox” computer, churning out a lucky 30 fps on some maps 🤣

Great video. I only started with GO in 2014 or so, never played any CS game before that so this kind of video is always interesting to me

wow... i've always wonder why the bots of CS had a voiceline talking about "C bombsite" I believe that this map is guilty now hahaha BTW, love your editing.

Slight mistake at the start of the video, 1.1 was released in early 2001, with the official 1.0 release at the end of 2000 :-) In 1999 the game was still in the early beta versions and I think defuse wasn't even in the game yet until right near the end of 1999.

Old maps feel like they're trying to emulate a actual location, not a arena

The way that text was warped really cemented in my head that “foption” sounds like a fucking captcha

I really appreciate your content Penguin! Love the chill vibe and thoughtful commentary

Volcano be like : "Man, I loved foption" Riot : "do it"

Love the fallout reference on it

I like to see how experimental some maps were back in the Beta days. It plays and feels like a completely different game. Another defuse map that is as strange as Foption is de_railroad. Would love to see a video about it :-)

Poor Yurik: "It's my mission to instill as much variety into CS as I can." CS community: square maps, grinding lineups and ultimate balance go brrrr

Your content is actually so good, keen to see where you end up, love that I will be here for the start

A little note about cs_zoption. If you grab the map and place it in Half-Life, you spawn with some weapons and there are Human Grunts in it too.

I recall small bits of this map, in the early days mansion, assault and dust were the go to for many lan events I played in the late 90s early 00s

I do like how valorant made their 3 bomb site map, I think it was a very good way to make it. However, I just don’t think it would work in csgo because we only have a max of 5 smokes that can’t recharge, where in valorant you can have a lot more *ability* use of smokes to enter and hold multiple sites at a time to fake easier

I think that Foption with just one or two from the "weird" features would be kinda fun i think, or just with all it has a Deathmatch map.

A lot of early maps (prodigy, militia, nuke, train) look like maps from Half-Life because mappers where mostly invested in map design and using HL resources instead of making their own, which is understandable: first you make map work and then you can play with visuals. So, I don't think this feature is particularly unique for a map from this age.

this is such an underrated channel, love this content style

wow, 20+ year old memory resurfaced. thanks for the nostalgia hit. funnily enough, it feels big enough and intricate enough to be a medium-ish sized battlefield 4 map (if the bombsites were flags obv).

A remastered version of this map would be a fun inclusion in an operation imo

wake up babe new penguin video

Low key best cs youtuber rn

I don't play CSGO but this man makes its history pretty damn interesting

* 3 sites should make CT difficult due to uncertainty * Verticality in Aztek made it too CT sided Do they balance out if they combine?

Fun history experience and nice to see these old maps get some love!

7:26 holy shit he vented in cams

Electrocuting was real fun back then in this map. I almost always went straight for that button

de_dust2_unlimited is also a 3-sites map. Even if it's not official it's still widely used in Counter-Strike Source community servers

I never even knew this was a thing. Great video!

7:42 it felt like you are challenging map makers to make popular 3-bombsite map

I love your choice of music. I love Earthbound and Mother 3

Opening up some sealed memories with this one, wowzers.

What an amazing video, I just wish there was a radar overview of the map, I had trouble understanding how the sites really worked in terms of position

i can listen to your voice all day when i take a nap its lovely man

IMHO you nailed it on the head with "it feels like a half life map for CS" ; as in, the map might be better suited to some sort of singleplayer expansion. But on the other hand I can't help but wonder what other arena-like maps from half life (two?) could be shoehorned into CS like that, and might feel like they work, at least for a brief instant?

Another odd map is de_747, it's made by the guy who made de_survivor. It's a map of a plane in the air and you can get sucked out of the doors if they are shot lol. Good video

man its so crazy seeing the old maps that used stock half life textures, reminds me of siege

Played it few times. Just a few, because this map wasn't added to many server map lists. The thing that it had THREE bomb sites, wasn't very clearly told to players. Killing with the buttons, yes, that was funny :D

Map with 3 in comp sites would be good idea

this is like if nuke and vertigo had a child, then fed it drugs for 18 years

I always wonder what's with bot sounds speaking "Planting at C" in the game files while no bombsite c maps in my cs 1.6 game back in the day, now i know what's up with that

I remember playing dust 3 on source. It was great fun in casual servers with larger teams.

Not gonna mention the vault doors that are obviously a reference to fallout 1 and 2?

0:48 Krusty Krab Training Video Ahh Editing.

7:06 based sentiment to end a great video

Such eloquence in delivery. You're chanel is quite unique & I'm 100% in. Thank you. I hope you prosper.

I find it weird that I was on my way to create a modern CS:GO map, set in an underground facility, with doors that could be locked off as seen in the original Half-Life, while also including an outdoor section, with an emphasis of the control room beign the heart of the map... Only to figure out it's been done literally 20 years ago. And it's lead me to reconsider making my map becasue it'll jsut be called a clone, or worse version of Foption.

Didnt even know Valve made coffee machines back in the days. :D 3:38

"I tried something different with this video" this is the first one of yours I watched lol

Found your channel from ohnepixel, good job man you make great content

i hope valve would make timed map events. maybe remade old maps that will be available for couple of weeks. would at least change the game a little

i been waiting for this

now this explain why Separatists in CSGO has "im going to plant the bomb at C" voiceline

Closing windows, cameras, scanning for players... Foption was Siege before Siege.

Nobody is mentioning that the map is played in a Vault from the Fallout universe?? Vault 13 anyone? :) It's a cool crossover