Full Destroying Doubts episode: onepathnetwork.com/the-contingency-argument-for-gods-existence/

May Allah swt reward brother Mohammed Hijab for empowering the youth and intellectually defending Islam.

Actually muhd hijab bro needs to reduce technicalities explain things in layman's terms it will reach even wider audiences

Also thanks one path for the subtitles because I was struggling to understand for a minute but reading the subtitles made it a lot easier so jazakallahu for that ❤️❤️

I memtion how Quran recitation heals people. How Islamic exorcism (ruqyah) helps people. That's quite a proof in my opinion.

It is so important to make these videos where you break down our religion step by step, and make it easy to understand for the broad audience. Especially in this age of time, where many people think religion is some sort of fairy tale for people that lost their hope. We have to spread awareness of the fact the islam is based on the truth. So please keep up the good work! ❤️☪️ May Allah guide those who are lost. Ameen. 🤲🏼

ما شاء الله These are the videos which we need. Top quality, simplified which everyone can understand. 🌻

Great job! Logical 💯

I love Mohammed hijab very smart mashallah and the way he organises arguments and expresses them is beautiful ❤️❤️

Brillant explanation brother

May Allah guide and bless everyone

Thank you for these amazing videos ma’sha’allah keep up the good work!! 👍🏼

JazakAllahu khairan

Great video and also I love school diaries please make more videos on school dairies😍

Great video, thank you very much , note to self(nts) watched all in it 5:11

جزاكم الله خيرا

Background music distracting and unecessary.

جزاكم الله خيرًا ❤️

Allahumma barik!

📜 Qur'an 52:35-36 : *﴾ Or were they created by nothing, or were they the creators [of themselves]? ٣٥۝ Or did they create the heavens and the earth? Rather, they are not certain. ﴿* 📜 Quran 39:45 : *﴾ And when Allāh is mentioned alone, the hearts of those who do not believe in the Hereafter shrink with aversion, but when those other than Him are mentioned, immediately they rejoice. ﴿*

Been waiting for this collab for too long

Indeed, in the creation of the heavens and the earth and the alternation of the night and the day are signs for those of understanding. SURAH AL-IMRAN AYAT 190 (3:190 QURAN)

This is the problem with philosophy that Hijab is using, it's getting more and more complicated instead of making it simple

Truly, the paths towards God is with A LOT of knowledge. There many logical ways people came to understand, from simple logic to needing well-established arguments. No matter what it is, if a person is sincere, he will put his time into it.

Nice

*Key questions* How do you know something is dependent? What if everything was just a rearrangement/changes of particles? How do you prove the fundamental particles cannot be necessary? Can you prove the necessary existence isn't a necessary thing but a necessary being?

yeah the problem is even IF you accept it (which isn't needed)... you still don't get to a god, but just some necessary thing. its STILL a logical leap to just call that thing a god. just like it was a logical leap to invoke god in any other area of existence like thor and lightning used to be, the only difference is now its literally pushed back SO far, that its at the origin of the universe now instead of in everything like the wind and lightning.

One version of this argument has a hidden conclusion in the premise, when they say “uncaused cause “ they are secretly meaning god, so the conclusion is hidden in the premise.

And it makes more sense for the independent thing to be the basic building blocks of matter and energy like quantum waves

I love school diaries

Wow!

Nicely elaborated ! Mashallah !

Allah (swt) is the most great of the world.

ﺍﻟﻠَّﻬُﻢَّ ﺻَﻞِّ ﻋَﻠَﻰ ﻣُﺤَﻤﺪٍﷺ,ﻭَﻋَﻠَﻰ ﺁﻝِ ﻣُﺤَﻤَّﺪٍﷺ

Sometimes I say "innalilahi wa innalilahi rojiun" to non-muslim that has passed away, in fact, I always say it to everyone who has passed away. But, some muslim stopped me from saying it for them.. why?

I advise you check Hadith 5590 in Sahih Al-Bukhari and it’s explanation + exceptions in regards to musical instruments’ prohibition may Allah bless you

Salam

It's like the beginning of the proof of Ibn Sina, Ibn Sina's proof is very interesting

Prove the will of Allah, that is the main point. The necessary independent existence point is incomplete on it’s own.

I wish thry didn't have music in the background

Even if one agreed with this logic, why would the “independent” thing be God? Makes much more sense that the independent thing is something akin to a quantum field or whatnot…

my argument is: this sentence has a creator ,the creator of this sentence must know everything for this sentence to be true ,DOES HE?

ma cha Allah, qu’Allah vous récompense pour votre travail, est-ce qu’il est possible d’avoir les sous-titres en français, baarakAllahoufikum.

Do you guys read the Old Testament/Hebrew Bible?

*The contingency argument posits that there cannot be an infinite chain of dependent things. *Dependency is distinct from causation, as dependent entities rely on something else for existence but don't necessarily cease to exist if the source is removed. *Independent entities are self-sufficient and are necessary for the existence of dependent ones. *While the argument doesn't directly prove specific attributes of God, it aims to move individuals from atheism or agnosticism to deism or theism. *Establishing a need-based relationship with the necessary existence leads to the recognition of submission and sets the stage for further arguments, including the authenticity of the Quran and the prophethood of Muhammad.

The issue with this argument,as shaykh al islam ibn taymiyyah explained, is that it proves Allah has names but no characteristics which is how some of deviants explained Allah. Allah has characteristics and names which suit.his majesty, this is a good way of proving God exists however with this argument you deny the characteristics of Allah. May Allah keep us away from Ilm al kalam and make us strong upon the Qur'an and sunnah only,ameen

Should’ve added subtitles for those that can’t understand British accent.

I'm gonna use this argument for not pay child support.

As a staunch atheist I begin to like you more and more. Before I could complain that the independent entity on which everything else depends is not necessarily a creator god you mention itself. So I'll give you a fun fact. Physicists have identified a few candidates. My current favourite is quantum fields. They can be said to be a manifestation of a creator god. And this is where the debates ends in a stalemate.

I understand that contingency is different from causation. But I'm so familiar with the argument from causation and I want to be able to prove God's existence from contingency. So how do we prove that God needs to continue existing in order for the universe to exist?

Contingency argument is indisputable 🎉

This argument is weak. Using human logic to gauge an incomprehensibly complex topic that itself defies all laws of physics and human interpretation.

Can someone explain 2:40 onwards? What was the point he made to transition from 'there being a necessary existence' to 'that necessary existence is Allah'?

This is literally the first cause argument in other words

I’m early

Learn Hadith In English completely .Jazakullah

Then why would one say that we depend on God and not just caused by Him, which would apply that God doesn't necessarily exist **anymore** ? I don't see an argument for that in the video.

May Allah reward you all, aameen

Big words and no argument on gods existents

We don't need such arguments to give dawah.

the rays of the sun is a pretty bad example, because the farther you are away... you can still receive light from that star, long after its death. even on earth if the sun vanished this instant, itd be 8 minutes before we stopped receiving sunlight. NEW rays can't exist without the sun, but you can still see stars long after they've died.

Allah reward him and guide him and the world the right path

Tell me you read Ashari and Maturidhi works without telling me you read Ashari and Maturidhi works

Hijab is effectively distinguishing between the argument from causation and the argument from contingency. He explains aspects of the former by mentioning a type of causation, of which in Scholastic terminology there are two: an accidentally ordered series of causation and an essentially ordered series of causation. The example of the father and son is the former, where the son does not depend upon the existence of the father to cause his children. An example of the latter would be a locomotive pulling a bunch of carriages. The cause of motion in the latter is derived concurrently and only because of the existence of the former. Take away the locomotive and the motion eventually stops for the carriages. The contingency argument has to do with an infinite regress of contingently dependent existences being impossible because you’re always pushing off the explanation for the contingent existence. Therefore, there must be one necessary being that has started that chain of contingent existences. Now, the latter may not still exist and the contingency argument doesn’t prove that it does, but the argument from causation based on the aforementioned second type of causation (essential) argues that it does as all matter is effectively a composition of form and other levels of matter “all the way down” and so some being must be existing in the here and now maintaining such causal structural relationships at the fundamental level of material existence.

what would you say to non Muslims who say that you've claimed that god is independent without proof , what if the singularity that the universe originates from is independent , what if we're in a multiverse and the other universe that created us is independent .

What is the strongest argument for the existence of my mother ? The reason I've asked that question is to illustrate a point. No argument could convince you that she exists.

This “contingency argument” approach in dawah will at the most only make someone affirm a “dhat” or essence for Allah. Will it make someone a Muslim in and of itself? Nope. Will it make someone accept Muhammad ﷺ as the final Messenger for mankind? Nope. Will it make someone affirm tawheed for Allah in His right of worship and belief in His beautiful names and attributes? Nope. Is it the manner that Allah’s Messenger called to Islam ? Nope People will now say “oh but we’re dealing with the reality of atheism” . If you can accept that dawah is worship and Allah’s Messenger did not leave us without notifying us of anything that will benefit or harm our religion AND all details in the acceptable acts of worship you must then accept to call to the Quran and Sunnah FROM the Quran and Sunnah. This use of “kalam” or speculative theology was detested by the scholars of Ahlul Sunnah wal Jammah. Imām Ash-Shāfi’i (d. 204H) stated: “My judgment upon the people of rhetoric (Ahlul-Kalām) is that they should be beaten with palm branches, placed on the back of a camel and paraded among the people and it be announced: ‘This is the punishment for the one who abandons the Book and Sunnah and takes to Kalām (theological rhetoric).” (Al-Baghawi reported it in Sharhus-Sunnah, 1/218) These philosophical approaches to dawah will fail because Allah’s Messenger would have informed us of them if their was good in them. These philosophical arguments for Islam based on the aql (which is subjective from person to person) will falter under the most simple of shubahat and this is undeniable. And Allah and His Messenger know best

Ibn Sina argument.

Call "The Atheist Experience" and you'll get debunked immediately.

hahaha if that is the strongest argument, I guess you have nothing much then. This argument is so broken.

I have a doubt. Universe as a whole is independent. there is no requirement of a necessary existance.

So the fact that NOBODY knows how the universe came into existence is somehow evidence for...which god again? One qustion: In all the history of mankind, literally every single time we humans haven´t known the answer to a question, there have always been people screaming "That was my god", what has this ever been good for?

@destiny look at this carefully

is this the Prophetic means of Dawah? simple question.

I’m an agnostic who struggles with god actually existing, and I didn’t really understand how what was said proves the existence of God. Am I missing something? I’d appreciate some help because I want to believe god exists but I need a logical base to believe.

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What are laws of physics dependent on?

Did I miss something? I heard assertion after assertion, but no real argument.

The initial postulate cannot be proved. Things could depend on things as infititum why not? Infinite singularities exist in the universe we know that from Black Holes.

So you need to make many speculations/assumptions to believe in God ??

Why is there music in this? and why is there also pictures? DId the Salaf do this?

""" I HAVE TO ADMIT AS A PHILOSOPHER YOU'D BE CRAZY TO BELIEVE ANYTHING OF ULTIMATE SIGNIFICANCE ON THE BASIS OF A PHILOSOPHICAL ARGUMEMENT""". PETER VAN INWAGEN, EMERITUS PROFESSOR OF PHILOSOPHY UNIVERSITY OF NOTRE DAME.

Ibn e sina

There's non-contigent and non-dependant things in universe! Simple!!

Please bring sheikh Uthman too. Please please

Brother, im just wondering, doesn't the establishment of such arguments take away from the concept that that Islam is a clear message? Ie, you just need to look around you to see the design of Allah. Isn't it and shouldn't it already be obvious enough that there is a creator?

Our prophet Muhammad Sallahu Alaihi Wa Sallam did NOT bring the contingency arguments and majority of Muslims did not accept Islam because of this argument. All humans believe in Allah naturally including the so called atheists.

First

Where is God exicest before the world?

Brothers, it is not the way of the prophets or the way of the Salaf to philosophize arguments for the existence of God. Using philosophy to prove God’s existence is exactly why the Salaf called Ahlul Kalaam deviants.

why did you guys waste time trying to define the word "in-dependent" when the spelling of this word clearly FORCES us to negatively associate it with the word "dependent" because "in-dependent" is a word essentially and necessarily DERIVED from the word "dependent". You guys want to turn our heads "grey" with skewed definitions 🙄🙄🙄

Show me your god in front of my eyes then I will silently believe yeah there is god 🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫

The strongest argument for Allah comes from philosophy?? Really? Didn't know that was the Dawah the prophet ﷺ came with.

Quran constantly calls for us to use our intellect and reasoning....Below I shared some verses there's many many more......please have a read and reflect And those who have no knowledge say: "Why does not Allah speak to us (face to face) or why does not a sign come to us?" So said the people before them words of similar import. Their hearts are alike, We have indeed made plain the signs for people who believe with certainty. 2:118 Indeed, in the alternation of the night and the day and [in] what Allah has created in the heavens and the earth are signs for a people who fear Allah 10:6 It is He who made for you the night to rest therein and the day, giving sight. Indeed in that are signs for a people who listen. 10:67 Say, "Observe what is in the heavens and earth." But of no avail will be signs or warners to a people who do not believe 10:101 And We gave them Our signs, but from them they were turning away. 15:81 Do they not see the birds controlled in the atmosphere of the sky? None holds them up except Allah. Indeed in that are signs for a people who believe. 16:79 [Allah] will say, "Thus did Our signs come to you, and you forgot them; and thus will you this Day be forgotten." 20:126 And of His signs is that He created for you from yourselves mates that you may find tranquillity in them; and He placed between you affection and mercy. Indeed in that are signs for a people who give thought. 30:21 And of His signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth and the diversity of your languages and your colors. Indeed in that are signs for those of knowledge. 30:22 And He shows you His signs. So which of the signs of Allah do you deny? 40:81 And of His signs is that you see the earth stilled, but when We send down upon it rain, it quivers and grows. Indeed, He who has given it life is the Giver of Life to the dead. Indeed, He is over all things competent. 41:39 And in the creation of yourselves and what He disperses of moving creatures are signs for people who are certain [in faith]. 45:4

Everything that exists has a cause. God does not have a cause.

Monkey intellect thinks too highly of itself and its ability to understand. What arrogance to think you can reason out how it works, to think you can understand. All you can do is experience the light, be, and become what you are. But to believe that you understand, that is blasphemy.

This is such a jump. I think Hijab is started to know it but not admit it just yet. He has too many followers. This is a weak argument. Very weak. Just because the universe couldn’t start by itself and is depending on something else doesn’t mean it has a to ‘God’. And theres no link. You can say you think it is, but you can’t know. You’re fooling yourself acting like it’s a fact. You can say you belief this is the case. But even then, there is very little reason to believe that is true at this modern day. Back in the day when we couldn’t explain anything fair play, but now we have answers for so much there’s little say ‘it must be God’.

Just because you've established that an independent thing exists doesn't say anything about the nature of the thing; it could be God or it could be mud for all you know

So the strongest argument isn’t so strong

that the earth is flat and that the sun set in murky water to wait under the throne of allah to rise again from the west. 🤣