Recently found your channel and I've been enjoying all the content you've been putting out. Keep up the good work.

Interestingly Project Gotham Racing technically wasn't the first game of its type that its developers, Bizarre Creations, made. In 2000 they produced effectively a spiritual predecessor to PGR, a game called "Metropolis Street Racer" for the Sega Dreamcast. One could argue the original Xbox is kind of an unofficial successor itself to the Dreamcast.

You should really try Enthusia Racing, basically Konami’s attempt at Gran Turismo 4

13:11 the Toyota Solara was a 2 door, slightly more upscale version of the Camry sedan made for the American market. It was offered with a 4 or 6 cylinder engine and as a coupe or convertible. I remember when I was little my dad had a convertible one for a while when he worked for Toyota. He missed that car when he had to give it back.

I think it’s funny how Midnight Club Street Racing was a PS2 launch title considering it was basically like a spiritual sequel to Midtown Madness 2 which was a Microsoft Windows game. I even remember on the Beetle RSI there was a racing livery promoting an early design of the Xbox on MM2.

My absolute first Forza title. Coming back to it just absolutely reminds me of all the cool stuff that Forza is missing out today. The city courses, the customization, and emphasis on real tuner cars. There's no other like it. Let's not forget tEAm4za :)

Funny how old Forza has more visual tuning options than modern games of this series. Funny and sad at same time

Man Project Gotham Racing was WAY ahead of it's time to be honest and the fact that old Forzas are better than new ones is embarassing! Let's see what the Forza Motorsport reboot has to offer

it feels like the people that had passion about how a person went about playing a game all died off after 2010 or so. Once you had a certain amount of content for the player, it was just a "do what you want with it, we're too lazy besides adding achievements." Horizon 1 was the last forza game with a true feeling of progression.

I remember the indurence races real 12 hours racing with massive winnings and cool unlocks. Me and my brother would take turns doing an hour at a time then swapping drivers

FM1 still stands up fairly well now

5:10 - I don't think that the focus on IRL racing tracks is the problem. The problem is that every developer use same tracks. So many bad/mediocre but popular tracks are in use while many brilliant tracks to drive&race are only available as mods/dlcs in niche simracing games. Also I don't think I want T10 to add more street circuits as every street track they did in Xbox One era games sucks. And there is simple reason why are you enjoying this game more than FM7 - With FM5 came drastic change (downgrade) in driving physics which made cars more unresponsive, catching slides is riddiculously "delayed" and there is huge drag applied with slip angle that requires you to underdrive the car if you want to be competitive. This is what makes gameplay less fun in Xbox One era titles. And about content... Similar story. With new motorsport games you get much less interesting car roster with so many super/hypercars and suvs/trucks instead of odd shitboxes and budget enthusiast cars. Many cool IRL tracks were dropped in new titles while fictional circuits got much worse layouts for racing. Upgrades are especially massive downgrade with amount of options available (and design of said options). I personally miss rear diffusers despite how bad they looked in older games. I'd wish to get more options that look like aerodynamics upgrades used in amateur/grassroots motorsport and cups around the world instead of rice'y forza aero as the only competitive option.

i knew forza 1 had more customization options than newer forza games, but i didn't expect it to be nfs underground 2 level 👀

The reason for the crazy car that out classes the field was to encourage trade of cars between players online. They wanted to create a trade dynamic like Pokémon and actually hired someone to create a rarity system to try and replicate that. Rarity was based on performance and based of starting region. So if you pick NA then Asia and EU cars are considered rarer and you are less likely to come across them unless you traded over live. Cool idea, not so much in practice.

Before watching all of it.. Forza Motorsport 2 is amazing and totally holds up. Also having engine codes instead of "6.2L V8" was awesome and I can't believe they removed it.

The editing on this has a nice flow to it, good job editor

I really like the pattern Forza has where every odd-numbered installment is themed around the color white and every even-numbered installment is themed around the color black. It's a nice touch that I hope they continue in FM8.

My favorite Forza hands down is Forza Motorsport 2 because it did have an actual sense of progression very much like the first one and felt a lot more like a direct competitor to Gran Turismo. And in some ways I think was better because of having more customization and more European exotics. I'm a big fan of Ferrari's, Lamborghini's, etc so Gran Turismo 4 was kind of a let down for me back in the day on that front.

Forza 1 was excellent with very forward looking features. BUT man... the 30fps cap was really killing the fun. Even worse in PAL region it was a 25 fps cap !!

oh my god, Forza has really gone through a massive devolution in terms of car customization I mean of course it takes more time to model in new kits for new cars on new consoles, but even the cars that use the same models today as they did in Motorsport 1 (eg. Silvia S15, Skyline R34, Mazda RX-7 FD, the list goes on) don't have as many upgrades as they used to in this game, but the upgrades they still have do come from this game

looking how cars get damage with lying around debrees, how different cars with different tuning racing with each other and how brightness is more on faded side on day time races pretty much remind me of prostreet. thanks for the video, definitely will check this game in future.

That vis racing kit on the dc2, looking like a mazdaspeed rx7 is one of the cursed looking kit i've seen in a car racing game.

Really enjoying where you're taking this channel mate. Good job as always!

Please do a video on Sega GT 2002. Similar time period and ideology. Also Enthusia. Excellent games.

PGR goes unnoticed one of the greatest titles in all of racing yet noone remembers it

the saints row 2 pause music near the 14 minute mark drove me nuts, just picked that game up again recently and thought I left it running lmao.

"I don't need brakes" that one aged like fine milk XD

forza 1 thru to 4 were the best in the series in my opinion, the career mode in 2 was perfect. 2 ditched night for some odd reason. 1 has a special feel to it, feels need for speedy in the city slash industrial zones and simulator in tracks.

I played it on launch, my sister gave me a burnt mix cd for my birthday and I remember racing along to the tracks burnt to my Xbox hard drive :) The drivatar system was quite ahead of it's time and there was a good selection of NA/EU/JDM cars, not to mention some good real life circuits and fictional (

I actually have this game and it’s really fun and challenging enough and it’s good to see some light be shined on the game after almost 2 decades

not gonna lie this was best 3 minute intro i have ever watched

love those quick history lessons before actual gameplay

I remember freaking out when I realized all the city tracks in gt were based on real streets have been meaning to make them in Assetto

i personally dont think either GT or Forza are superior, they each have their own strengths and weaknesses, ive played a ton of both of them and have no preference towards either one, i like them both equally, and thats ok, not everything has to be better than something else.

I love the saints row 2 menu music during the critique section. I'd recognise that anywhere lol

9:19 uff the menu soundtrack of asphalt 8 is god

3:17 only ogs know where that sound is from

I hear that FM4 menu music, well done👍

When a game from 2005 beats current-gen installments in everything

I'm enjoying the brilliant P3 OST in the background from your last few videos so far, nice touch :)

It personally sucks that no one outside my family is gonna experience and understand the nostalgia of Forza Motorsport 1 that I grew up on to this day.

Forza wasn't their first attempt, neither was Project Gotham Racing, it was Sega GT 2002. Despite being originally intended for the Dreamcast, I feel like it should still count.

I had both the Playstation and the Xbox of the time and found Forza to be superior to GT in almost every aspect. I especially liked the ability to create liveries on cars and then sell them in the "marketplace". Making Lambos dressed as black & white US cop cars was fun but the fact that you could do this and then see your creation being driven on track by the very person who bought it and you would say, "I did that".

You should check the "gran turismo" but having more a realistic physics and kinda same in terms of music but slightly different aesthetic on game make more realism even for 2004 game.Exclusive for ps2 back then,yes made by konami,Enthusia Professional Racing,that is also good game.

Forza went from a racing game to placing first doesn't matter but you spin the wheel to win a God damn beanie. What the hell happened there?

Graphics are pretty impressive for original Xbox. Nice!

I remember the first time I saw my brakes starting to glow, thought it was so cool. This is the classic car game I always want to go back to, alongside TDU and Gran Turismo 2. Such good memories!

For a game that came out in 2005 for the OG Xbox it still looks beautiful

never thought persona 3 ost woul be blending in with racing game review, ggwp

playing this online was such a great time! It’s a very good game.

i've driven saabs since i was 17 (31 now) you still can't beat the bang for the buck. ESPECIALLY THE VIGGEN AND GRIFFEN 9-3s. can't forget the aero trim models too

The handling physics in this game are brilliant. I wish any ps4 racing game had physics like this.

Even before Forza, Sega GT 2002 tried rivaling Grand Turismo as a more realistic style racing game. That was a game that I believe was sold as a package deal with new Xboxes on release, and it really was quite good for the time.

GT4 will always be the nostalgia game for me and i never had an xbox but this actually seems better, better sounds, better damage, more modifications etc

Man your content is so good. Deserves more subs man

Just finished FM, now playin FM3

9:04 *Hyundai Coupé Turbulence* (That's the old Tiburon's facelift, just in case.)

Wait did you get it to be emulated or is this coming from a 360?

You should play Forza Motorsport 3 and 4 If you liked the career of 1, certainly you will like what 3 and 4 has to offer

Just a little note: PGR comes from the Dreamcast game Metropolis Street Racer (MSR) even the hud and car controls are almost identical, besides the Kudos points that carried to PGR 4. I miss the franchise

I have genuinely not enjoyed a racing game as much as I did this one... So many fond memories of customising cars and racing them on Laguna Seca or the Nurburgring. I have a memory of engine swapping that Saab with the engine from a Ferrari F355 but I'm not sure if that is some weird crossed memory or if you could do that. Either way, I absolutely ruined the Saab but had so much fun. Good times ❤️

That piss yellow Integra is gorgeous, what you say is blasphemy

It was funny seeing you playing the game during the stream. at least After taking the wrong package with all the CDs, you could've give It back and get your actual package x) (i laughed so hard when you told that story)

8:59 BlackPanthaa would be proud

Always good to see another video from you man you are really underrated youtuber (in my opinion)

Physics are sverely underrated. Handling is brilliant.

Yeah, I miss this kind of career structure. Forza switching to seasons really took the fun out of things and I feel like they'd rather reward you with credits nowadays instead of cars.

the NR was in PGR aswell

Is that a Celica in the thumbnail?

I SERIOUSLY miss racing games with fictional city based tracks :( I replayed Project Gotham Racing 2 recently, and it EASILY has my favourite tracks in it from any game ever. I'd take those tracks over real life tracks any day, they're so much more fun and interesting

In my opinion, Forza completely caught up to the GT franchise once Forza Motorsports 4 was released. I think FM4 was leagues better than anything GT had out at the time.

I like how we can engine swap, like sticking a Supra engine into a Corolla

I just bought Forza 1! Looking forward to playing it!

Microsoft be like: “Mmm this looks like a good game..” *copies it*

i dont see the tires configuration, it was the main mod to do, also you had to make configuration to the car tunning according the weather, track and car weight, gts class and above where harder, tons of power and very lightweight

16:37 ah man this track was a nightmare for the 4yo Victor.... and it still my nightmare

My introduction to Forza was this game after I bought a pre-owned Xbox Crystal, spent so many hours and loved this game to bits, able to play custom music from your Xbox hard drive as you raced, the controller was better as well because the triggers gave more control over the speed and braking. It's a shame over the years they stripped more customisation features and tracks such as Fujimi Kaido.

Does the twin tower attack affected the realease of the 1st gen Xbox?

The lack of tedious AF licence tests and the ability to repaint the cars make Forza a far better game automatically. :)

How many persona songs are used here? I understand that anybody can use them without copyright, but there's so many that it had to be intentional.

What we want, is BeamNG damage modelling, Gran Turismo car and track selection, and forza customization.

That Opel would give that NSX-R a bloody nose. Classes were on point.

You can still play this online if you connect your xbox trough xlink kai (or xbox 360)

5:02 Am I the only one who thinks the track gives Juiced 2 flashbacks?

I loved the first Forza! Its such a nostalgic game for me now too! 😊👍

playing this game and trying to unlock every single arcade car was so hard, my brothers would ask if I was playing the racing game because they didnt want to be around me when I just screamed at a racing game.

I find it surprising that Dustin made no mention of the soundtracks, Junkie XL made some huge bangers with this game.

ahh man, you should've titled this better (like put Forza 1 in the title). Ive been dying to see you talk about this game and yet here its been all along. So glad I found it!

Both Gran Turismo and Forza hold very very special places in my heart. They are long running franchises with me right behind something like GTA or Mario to others. GT7 and Forza Horizon really hurt me and feel like betrayal, as it's people like me that brought those games to where they are today.

Interestingly in FM2 they renamed the test track to the name of snakes

i miss the street tracks and tuner demo cars

Forza 1 was awesome. probably put 1,000 hours in this game. Had Car clubs, lots of customization, could put skins on cars or make your own paint job. I miss the Car Clubs...the club I belonged to was the best...always had that one guy that was the master with Tuning cars. I hate Rolling for Cars today...pure luck, at least Auctions are still a thing.

Each game has its own strengths and *quirks* and unique *features* and i'm glad that the FM and GT titles are generally different from each other. The diversity is cool and you can always chose which game you want to play, based on its unqiue atmosphere and vibes.

i never understood the relation between gotham in project gotham and Batman's gotham

I had one of those saabs (not viggen tho) and it would easily gap bimmers and merchs even tho it only had 250hp

It still blows my mind that, despite 20 years of progress, the 2023 Forza Motorsport lags behind the ORIGINAL, regarding its campaign, sound design, damage physics, and overall quality. What the hell did Turn 10 turn into?

19:19 this feels like how i treat NPC drivers in every other forza game lmao

8:40 i swear some people would put supra bumper on anything

Project Gotham 2 has the Nurburgring too.

Its not "better" its just another Filosophy of game. What its nice, and brings variety.